Joe Rogan Experience #690 — Ronda Rousey & Edmond Tarverdyan Transcript

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0:00 And boom, we're live. What's up? You guys don't have them on. Yeah. It's good? You're like, get over here. Get closer. Get closer. You guys are very close. Hillary Swank, at all. It's a fun culture. a lot of shiny shit They had to get me to actually start cleaning up a little bit. So I would just put on my clothes I came in with, no shower. You speak so fluently. I graduated high school, yeah, but during the classes, like Armenian, Armenian kids have to grow up.

3:18 I forgot my English or something. Because, yeah, I was a lot grungier when I first started coming to the gym. Like they're, oh, they literally can't not be made up when they leave the house. my actual face looks like. Look how shiny. Yeah. But I don't think that was real either. it's fucking crazy yeah jamie pull it up so you so you guys can see it. It's very strange.

6:16 She looks like an anime character. That's not fair. Extremely, extremely common. And the one on the right is a tent. the guy who She's great now. before, everyone was Wow. Yeah, cool with it. Yeah, but what if you have like something goofy? And everybody was like, what happened to Susan? You know go you know go for it but like You're gonna hate everything pretty much about yourself for a while, you know, you're like, oh god

9:48 You'll accept that you know itty bitty titty committee is pretty cool And it was completely, Too many girls are out there doing nothing. So you're pretty much a drain on society. that all these men want to fuck, to think that you're not going to do that that it's not your mission in life to be happy. I think your happiness is supposed to be a byproduct of actually living a fulfilling life.

12:26 The other kind of happiness comes from family and friends and loved ones. you do that is by telling chicks to not be a good, No, but my mom, she's a blog master. Yeah. The standards were set so high in your house that just being what you thought was chill in your house, everybody else was like, whoa. It's like you don't have to pick one specific thing, but you just have to be the best in the world at it.

14:57 Well, I'm sure some people listening right now, if they got on, they'd have a hard time and listen to you every day. It had gotten into this weird cultural place. And it was strange to observe that. She flew with it in the plane. the brother with like blue hair i don't know he was giving me on instagram for like a month fuck you, da-da-da-da-da, in, like, a pink shirt.

17:50 I can tell that he's restraining himself. Right. the whole time waiting for me to knock her out Like, not even, he didn't even smile. He gave it to me. I wanted to grab him a choke and then everybody held me back all the security She's in my face going, don't cry, don't cry. I don't know. When she face planted, you said, don't cry. I really received it.

20:56 Because it was interesting, you know like cuz I was getting booed a little coming in, you know while I was in I might cry now when I was interviewing somebody it's because it was just It's not just starting to recognize how solid she is as a you know human being ronda and every every opponent nonsense why was she saying to find her to complain to the commission so they could touch

23:58 And she's done, she's done an amazing job. But when I'm gone, they're gonna miss me And so I like to think of myself as more of the heel, Oh, it'll come back. if she wasn't being watched by millions of people and i wouldn't have shook her hand Is it possible that all the anxiety and all the animosity that she had went away when you guys fought no even know that he's on the ultimate fighter and how would his other promoter even know that he

27:57 Because it was timed. he like mentioned it to you know to the other kids and it got back to their team and they Who else's would it be? This and that and we said yeah, we will and you know the promise is a promise They're gonna take me out of there and I'm you know, I gotta do this for all those kids, you know you hated it it was one of the worst experiences I've ever like had to deal

30:45 And I had to watch people that I really loved and care about get disrespected every day. Dana gets upset? Well, everybody knows how I feel about it. And there's going to be another situation where, you know, try and do the right thing and be honest Like my situation with Dennis Hallman, that guy is looking at me in the parking lot. You know? It's impossible.

32:57 That's what it was. It was a lot of reactions shown without beat her and you're hanging from a rope and you go, fuck you. entertaining but there's this one moment where you guys one of the coaches challenges where you uh I was like, you don't give a fuck about them. the fight when you're getting your fucking ass kicked. There's something about, and people that win and they don't win,

34:50 Yeah. and she'd beat the crowd at the arm bar, How many siblings do you have? Are you the craziest of all the sisters? Like whenever we're at fights, Whatever. Oh, wow. all resorting after train? I've even brought her to come and do our training with us a little bit. Whereas like some kids do better. how you handle it. They don't want that life. they get a taste, like a small taste, of what what that life is gonna be like when they're a contender

38:40 the media obligations, the media obligations alone, which is something nobody considers. You know, and this is just like Monday. Yes, it is. It'll be bigger than the Rogers Arena. I have a problem. And, you know, the personality, everything. champ, you know why I'm wearing the chest protector? I want you to hit that body when you angle off. And one other thing I love is Edmund,

41:31 Instagram video is, let's go Champ! Yeah, I can't champ sometimes champion us Zingano he's like she's going to Like, it wasn't just that I knocked her out, but how, like, it was on her face. I don't do sparrings in my gym for Ronda. partners I see Ronda knocking out people from the liver shot, give them what they need to be a champion. which is why she wanted you right there when you sat down.

44:33 me these pictures of like yeah me you and Manny you're all at the gym at like It works for her personality and, you know. And you fucking hitting mitts. Like, fucking, they're so different. she wins the boxing world champion any given day box. She could punch. Amazing All those pants are in my car. know well you have a lot of striking knowledge it's very obvious i've seen the work you've done

47:57 the best thing that's ever happened to me because it's like now it's just unlimited motivation I went when I was 17, and it didn't go my way. And then when I was 21, like, I was so unhappy doing judo that I felt like that was, like, my last shot. Because, like, I could barely, like, walk some days. And it was just the actual process of training. it and like i wouldn't then i'd be embarrassed that I was crying, and then I would cry because I was embarrassed

50:44 And they would beat up on me and I would get that it's my thing and i'm like i have to start all over again and then it makes you cry even Running away from home is when you're like 13. She did the perfect job raising me. and was treated like that. And that was my life. was like the first American woman in nine years to win um a world cup in judo with no coach

53:56 fuck all the U.S. coaches. And I was pretty much on my own, Why were you kicked out? I remember first round, I was fighting this girl from Finland, I can't just let her do it twice. Then I ended up fighting Urs Gwisselnier, who's a World and Olympic bronze medalist. Like, I thought, like, I was so cool because, like, back and I was hanging out with him and then my coach went down to the lobby got

57:19 Why was he so mad? I guess so, yeah. How much older was this guy than you? like you, you were 18 at the time when you barged in. I was about to turn 18. So it was still and then, like, I had to get dentist stuff done, Wow. Did you call her? And I'm going to train on my own. Like two years. Oh my God. Why is that like so caught? you know that kind of stuff and they would always do like more is more for them more is more and

1:01:48 And then, you know, then I would eat, you know, all of Tuesday. that's why like i'm so big into like doing like body image stuff and like the do nothing bitch with a lot of like old school martial arts people but i'm torn on it because on the other hand like by now yeah then it's time to train professionally like we've had situations and sparring sessions like if one of my guys or anybody gets caught with a

1:04:09 Go one more. Sparring is the right way. What keeps your motivation high at this point? it's just like you win an Olympic gold medal and you're done right with the UFC what am I really done you're done when you say That definitely would. Well, she seems to want you to fight her at a heavier weight, Like, it's a crutch for her. cutting weight it's uh one of the best ones for that it allows so she's obviously not just concerned

1:07:14 They immediately shrink up. in the urine testing, But you could cycle You were just clean enough to pass that test. I was a 14 year old little girl. They're like, drop your pants, pull up your shirt, spin around in a circle. Think about that. The same chick that was my out-of-competition testing lady from when I was a kid, I did it for so long. And it will absolutely weed out all the cheaters.

1:10:07 And Cyborg looks in ways exactly the same. It's very possible. so radical. It's such a giant Shoulders, too. The width of her shoulders, And then when you add all this extra test to it, you see what happens with transgender women. take punishment as well that's what's really weird like the difference between guys who are on it and there's no way you can fix it.

1:13:05 Fucking like, I don't know what Vander delay was doing, but I'm assuming everything off the hormone spectrum. IVs. They've used it in cycling for years where you take your blood out, you know, your body EPO wasn't something that they tested for, for it. like ban even even just for for weight cutting did you ever use them for weight cutting once So it wasn't like I was cheating.

1:16:13 It was like 2005. From the IV, yeah. And like I was really, really slow from cutting weight, you're in the wrong division. I mean, in comparison to Judo, I was like, what? like, I couldn't do that fighting 135 gradually and you make that weight during the fight even heavyweights in boxing look at their None of them do IV. That's why he's so slow. Discipline, discipline.

1:19:10 You know, they're not quite. What you're saying is it's too much of a difference when they go down so low but if you're having a terrible weight cut and you're really worried about this fight like I see them during training, right? that. and only keep so much? Because No, but it understands that you're living in Africa and there's not that much water and there could only be one day of rain and it could all dry up the next day and you need to drink as much as possible and then you're shit out of luck out of water for a while.

1:21:58 It's physically possible for you I think during the training, if they do the training right They're going to have to lose muscle mass. The problem is with a lot of people, they're worried about being smothered by a bigger guy. They're worried about being is gonna cause... No, only two-pound dumbbell shadowboxing. Now it's like I'm worried about being too bulked up where I can't fight the way I want to make up for through strength and conditioning. Yeah, I don't want to... Now it's like I'm worried about being too bulked up

1:24:02 She's not going to just do it so it could look pretty. 10 rounds of, you know, they're shadowboxing, I always say, She gets her legs. anjos in his last fight against anthony pettis was that he pushed them all in the most ferocious So that way when you're training, you're going to have this issue. But it's the training also. When you have an athlete, you need to know what you need to do to make that athlete into the best.

1:27:11 So when they call you one day before for a fight 10 over. And if you ever consider, I mean, what do you think about the idea of fighters not cutting any weight at all? Why would that be better than if you fought at one 48? I wouldn't have to be so many ounces at this hour for weeks and weeks and weeks ahead of time. fight night body, it's like everything

1:29:31 we need to hit the gym right now how it feels cutting the 35 first wow that's fascinating and when you're hungry you know your day rap is like different than I want to talk to Edna about... Vanes Marirosian, WBC champion and Olympian and Vic. that I've learned throughout my career. it this way and some listen and some don't we know that Ron is an amazing student I figured that out

1:32:22 You think you could come through? you know she's gonna kick you doesn't matter kick punch whatever comes just keep your hands up high So I could see it. Yeah, besides that, I didn't even speak English well. and it had already like 100,000 views. And, you know, I don't understand judo at that point, especially I didn't understand much about it. It's an amazing job.

1:35:11 You want to say that? No, I didn't. At all. I'm playing hard to get. know what kind of shirt was i wearing this was before the first amateur fight we had this fight be there to to bug edmund into holding events for me because he wouldn't he still had it at that I'm all like, okay. Like that And he was just like, he's like, And I was ready to never go back in there again.

1:38:24 No. You know, I'll find new gloves. at least I can get my gloves the car i was like holy i can't move in here because it was all messy i've never seen So she would just chill in your car? vagina. I don't know why. I don't know why. But she would pants and, like, underwear and bras looks like it is a petri And I don't know how it was really physically possible.

1:41:15 He didn't apologize. In my mind, I was like, there will be a time that you will be in the same position. attention whatsoever given to women's fighting so for you it was like this thing that wasn't like your knowledge is like it doesn't ever get to them. He couldn't stand MMA. relationship work as far as like you're the striking coach then but you're her

1:44:10 working on specific you know what we need to do i know her so because you're the closest to her I didn't show her how to throw an overhand right or anything like that until the Alexis Davis fight. A lot of footwork, you know, utilizing the distance distance right and you see how she gets to clinch you know if you watch Liz's fight short stocky girl throwing heart short shots the way she maneuvers and uses that jab gets

1:46:06 And putting it all together, it's not. This last fight, she knows. counter-punch or, you know, push them off, knock their ass out. But that we understood as we're seeing progress. So you're sitting down afterwards and you're You have to understand that fighter. for years. And I said, Rhonda, you're brilliant. when you bring striking into it, well is because if it doesn't work out, I'm still on top.

1:49:57 You're in a worse place. And that you are seeing many more leg locks in MMA now because guys are learning, like, at the highest level, the transitions. Like, you know, I'm saying like when she does with Henner and Hiron and, you know, during training camp, she's not going to one month the fight, lie down on her back and try to do triangles. Or I'd like to add a little bit of that to my game.

1:51:52 When you start adding things, sometimes what happens is you're putting too much attention knowing when to do that. For you not to have your joints hurting this and that. an unusual position you just apply the concept the concepts I'm just applying they're not connected to each other and so i spend a lot of my time connecting things as opposed to Ringed generalship is the most important thing in boxing and fighting in general.

1:54:34 have the leverage to hit you correctly and that's it's an art and you watch floyd mayweather it's hit i that was a good right hand right well it made sense because she was so high she was so That was the worst throw ever. is you're going to break her first standing and then the submission will be easier because they're going to be so focused on the submission you have to get them their mind

1:56:43 bail out of this and what your life is going to be like after? She might be able to. Dude, Dana White's going to call you up on the phone. He's going to rifle it through the phone. Are you really thinking like a couple years, two, three years? These are possible things that could happen. I'm improvising when I'm fighting. But we know she's going to be undefeated. I know I'm going to be undefeated. I know it's going to happen at some point. I know I'm going to finish this somehow. But we know she's going to be undefeated.

1:59:17 And what, do you think you'll be able to just walk away? you do a lot you almost have too much going It's because she had the movies, right? and it took us, she couldn't the scar on my knuckle, I trained a lot, Yeah. And so I was training really hard. okay, okay, would whatever it was inside would burst i was getting a ganglion cyst on my knuckle. That's what it was.

2:03:31 had to go straight to McMahon and then we're like man I did two camps back to But then Dana's like, listen, you could fight Gina in February. I want to stay active in that time. But so... I was like, I feel like I could pull it out. Like I felt like I was pulling out like balls of fat or scar tissue and stuff out of my hand. it was in there. It was itchy almost.

2:05:45 where I'm like holding my hand away from my mother, You have to like burst it. like the two like commercials right beforehand. I gotta get out of here. I gotta take my kid to a martial arts class. I'm so late for everything. Thank you. That's it.