Joe Rogan Experience #698 — Dr. Carl Hart Transcript

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0:00 Yes! Welcome back Dr. Hart. Good to see you brother. the host, and then they have all these boxes with all these different people, and everybody's Texting addiction? Right. And then the thing is, is that I was trying to make clear that the numbers of marijuana users today is considerably lower than what they were in 1978 or 1980. It's like I recently found out that there's a hundred million less Americans in 1970 than there are today.

2:08 we can't keep this up that's ridiculous so they were they were smoking more pot back then more I bet he led people to drugs. Well, you know, there all the foolishness involved in his administration. I bet he led people to drugs. were using marijuana at the time, they're now running the country. They're now doing, addicting being addicted to texting I have friends that are definitely they

4:27 it's a simple sort of definition that we use in medicine. a month or once a week or what-have-you and then they have all of these every day, like i had a friend who administer heroin every day, seven days a week, twice a day to people who meet criteria for treatment includes two daily doses of intravenous heroin, seven days a week. And so when I think

7:55 No, it's not devastating. small programs. There are other countries, but the Swiss by far have the biggest program and they've And is it because of all the propaganda we've been fed? I mean, obviously, there are people who use this as part of propaganda, It made great sort of subjects for documentaries. or have people relaxed a fact. I mean, we've been trying to get rid of heroin or in our country for some times, but every

11:32 And I've known many people, I've close family members that have ruined their lives getting fucked up on pills. and which I am not a fan of having acetaminophen in those pills Now, imagine if someone designed a car that had tires on it that blew out when you reached 75 miles per hour. You certainly don't have people prescribing them like they do here with the acetaminophen.

14:27 to make sure that less people have opiate addictions? seems like they would have to have had a paper trail in order to, I mean, it seems like that Does that make any sense? In the United States, you think about, I pressed the shit out of that button nose surgery and his friends wound up taking them away from him after a couple of months. He was And if we really want to understand why they do it,

17:50 And that consequence, those consequences are inappropriate. And they're giving them these high doses. then they'd come over and play pool and they just look like zombies we'd call Right. Whereas other people, methadone worked for them. the needle. And as an adult, you should have that right. You should have that option. that's supposed to be healthy.

21:20 People get really crazy for sugar. sugar the same should be true with these drugs. You're an adult. Because don't you drink wine in church? Yeah, it's booze. You know, that's something, the actual administration of it, like the method of administration makes people squeamish. do would they alleviate the anxiety that certain people have? Well, let me clarify. At least people in medicine outside of the United States know this.

26:11 they have those issues and they're not like us. They're those people. And why is, why should we question it? We don't know them very well. And we see people putting a needle in their arm. be unique because other countries, what our military might and our money we kind of And there are some other autonomous nations that actually look at the evidence

28:09 immediately of you because there's a character in it that's a heroin addict Yeah, it's great stuff. But like a day ago, the kid was fine. And you're not going to die. I thought I was on O'Reilly. She breaks back into the school and then she has to fight zombies and shit. So they feel like this is their reason for being now and then they can go after this drug because they saw it on this awful TV show.

31:26 wrong. You do it once once you're addicted A low percentage of people become addicted to marijuana, but you certainly can see that, then they get off of it. So you have to have several symptoms in order to meet criteria for addiction. But if you only have withdrawal, that's not an addict. But most people would. is there. You'll be fine. It's that the thing you just discussed, that a withdrawal is actually, or rather a hangover, is actually your body withdrawing.

35:58 chance to adjust completely, it's gone. But your body has already overcompensated. And so what you're seeing is this expression in some cases. And one of the things that when I give these talks, when people say, I heard you on the Joe Rogan show, who I like talking to least. I mean, not necessarily way. And so I try to avoid them. Coming here to this place, I know that there will be people out

39:06 I make sure that I don't engage in conversations with people that don't abide by the rules of evidence. giving a speech, and they can say things that are just absolutely inaccurate and those things when people aren't really discerning or they don't information, because they are ruining too many people's lives as a result. Well, they're agents did you go to Portugal at all?

41:32 And then there are other places around the world that people are doing other innovative things, like in Sao Paulo, Brazil. pushing for progressive, rational, adult sort of drug laws. And so I hope we continue to see this. and you're forced to like examine, like, why do I have these assumptions in my head? Why do I have, This is just train spotting.

44:12 obviously these alternative media forms, right? It slipped my mind now. Yeah, yeah. And so the public, the American people should really slam idiots who say things like they're going to go after a state. The idea that you're going to take that right away from responsible adults like me. Mm-hmm. Well, they haven't done coke with people I know. He's got all sorts of pain and issues from the war.

48:09 And then while I'm thinking that, Meanwhile, to my left, there's a bar filled with people just throwing back And some other drug like Oxycontin or something else might be more beneficial for you to achieve that goal that you're trying to achieve. and bushy tailed and I'm ready to go as opposed to having that drink the night before, but have an Oxycontin or

50:34 People don't like being told what to do. You know, they're talking about, like, one guy jumped off of a building when he was high Yeah, it was like a famous defense because sugar is a drug. do these things safely i i'm i'm opening my mind to this i just don't have any experience in any of There are a lot of issues. What's a good drug to take right before you do the O'Reilly Show?

54:03 But this shows three hours of just chilling out and talking so about an hour He was ready to be that split-screen thing when you have one person on one side, It's not. Pseudosymmetry is what they was that documentary jamie do you remember the name of the documentary that i was talking about They were being hired to do this. Well, that's why I had to contact you after I saw you on O'Reilly.

57:26 And then what they're doing on many of these shows, they're doing more harm to the American And it seems like it's trapped in momentum that these shows have always existed the way they have, you know, with these seven-minute segments that go to ad break. after that, I'm out. Yeah. It's on the DL. It's so, marijuana is so open there. You know that contact high thing is not counted it's not real right it's not real i've

59:55 There's this place in Toronto, and they have, I don't want to give them up because I don't think it's legal, to toronto right um i'll show you i i bet that room will fuck you up i guarantee you what we We can do all that stuff. He's also extremely healthy. has instituted a new drug policy in regards to marijuana uses. It's a huge outrage. But it certainly has nothing to do with their competition.

1:04:01 I mean, and so if we start doing that, and then we can systematically go through all of these sorts of things. You ban football. should athletes have an additional but he ultimately had to admit to using performance-enhancing drugs. you've got to go down to down to like 18th place, which And I've even heard it argued by doctors that doing the Tour de France without the drugs is arguably more dangerous for the athlete's body than doing it with the drugs.

1:07:07 We should just regulate it and be honest and upfront about it. Is that possible? Yeah, that's a big one. But do we talk about that? There are some people who have resources and other people don't have That's kind of fucked up. And we talk about like fair Obviously, his massive work ethic. So it's not only their sort of physical makeup. He doesn't have all of these things.

1:11:03 about genetics. I don't know to what extent that contributes. beats talent when talent refuses to this advantage physically And the way it was abused is the way the male endocrine system works, as it's been explained And we had some instances, and this is one guy named Vitor Belfort, who was the poster boy He's got super confidence. did it is because they tested him out of competition just randomly they grabbed

1:14:28 you kept him on it because he seemed like a monster yeah i mean i know i would i'd like to He's just hard work Like the ability to deliver a basketball into a net It's as simple as that for me. Exogenous. but i you certainly have piqued my interest and i want to know more about it because, you know, just to be logically consistent, I think that these things should be allowed in sports.

1:18:30 It can mitigate the effects of damage that you take, not just in training, but also in competition. It's the most extreme version of sports, fighting is. So I think that it's a great place to think about this. You're going to get a body that functions more. their confidence erodes radically. this sort of confident thing. The fact that that term could be used for a steroid as well as for aspirin or coffee.

1:21:59 Why don't you like it? I'm not better than you with my drug use, I mean, You're doing a drug like that, you know, you're stealing cars and fucking driving into pedestrians. No. I mean, what? You know, look at me. even if they do research on the drugs themselves. something that is so mild like ProVigil gives you a little bit of energy sure it world and I've been hanging out with some of the more some of the movers and shakers in a variety of society and I have seen them get high and they are responsible people and they are

1:26:45 say this, why are you here? Why am I here? I mean, what is, I would be embarrassed as a person, I haven't thought about it. these conversations where a guy like you, who is so educated in the subject, can expand people's cross-armed. So what is this DMT. This curious cross-armed so what is this DMT This guy's a doctor? Absolutely. People have recorded it.

1:30:23 Wow, this is crazy. So one of the things we can do is we can help them do it more safely and more effectively. a potential that my kids will use drugs too. Yeah, I know that. But the thing that I try to do is make Of course, my kids, they do. And he's like, well, look at the last three presidents of the United States, you know. And Terrence McKenna is sort of a legendary figure

1:33:33 He probably did. But there's a lot of things that we do on a daily basis that are not good for you, like poor diet, like a lack of exercise, like being stuck in polluted cities, like breathing in brake dust and fucking exhaust fumes all day. have this technology of neural imaging of brain imaging but what in fact what has happened with so that means that the sort of what the examiner sees is what the test or the information becomes

1:36:01 And so one of the things we have to do is just push back and ask people So when we start talking about brain damage, X amount you know milligrams of this or of that what I always wondered that like selectively binds to let's say dopamine cells in the brain and when it binds to the dopamine cells since it's radioactive it they use methamphetamine we only know from this one scan that's one problem another problem is

1:39:32 And another thing is that you have this tremendous amount of overlap of dopamine cells in this case So that's really interesting. Right. You don't see higher rates of Parkinson's disease in methamphetamine users. see some toxicity it's clear but now when you give the doses that are comparable to what humans take you run that risk. And so regulate it. And if you really care about people, that's what you would

1:43:32 Like a lot of them are taking just these insane, insane. It's a sport that is really—you have to—it's the only way it works. It's like you're not trying to run faster. But the competition is so subjective. It's like, you know, And they're competing, right? Yes, I guess. But the competition is so subjective. Yeah, but, you know, our ignorance shouldn't prevent them from having a sport.

1:45:39 okay well you know that's how i feel too but, the thing is, is that my view on this certainly should not be considered. I'm pretty sure. And they get that for a variety of reasons many of them have never taken steroids with methamphetamine maybe? Well, you know, it's like if you do a wide range of different types on where people should drink moderately.

1:48:21 I'm obviously not really stating your position. Well, they are. I'm going to act like one. I mean, he's the only one that's financially independent. Yeah, Dr. Hart, you're obviously very educated in this subject, much more so than the average person. their the way that they're educating that's that's another thing another thing i would do with uh regulating all of these drugs, figuring out what would be the best regulated market for marijuana,

1:52:36 But it was a very small amount of people, and there was a big ado about it. punished 18 times more harshly than powder cocaine that doesn't make any sense they're the same drug right that's just racism right well And by the way, it's 18-to-1 now. So really, this is a drop in the bucket, and this is disappointing to me. The reason might not be conspicuously race, but it might be for other reasons.

1:56:48 All around the globe, these people have more things in common. You put it in the ground, you water it, it grows, harvest it. Legalization, if we legalized it as opposed to decriminalizing it. Do we change that? But if you're worried about And it just seems to me that if we accept the fact that people are doing drugs in this country, I mean, they have to.

2:00:32 He would be, I would say, irresponsible if he didn't take sleeping pills. there others that will work and I'm sure he has some good physicians. that this country that's obsessed with making money to the point where we have privatized prisons and we also know people are selling illegally and not paying taxes on it. No one's going to do that. but understand they only make up 11% of all prison beds in the United States.

2:04:12 to generate income revenue by taking the prisoners from state prisoners into their local jail jails who are saying in terms of colorado they're saying that yeah colorado is generating all of this tax Yeah. it has allowed us to separate out those people we don't like and go after them. That's what we say, but they really don't look like us and they're really not us.

2:08:11 ignorant stuff the reason why he's not booed off stage when he does it is for a lot of the people So Christie, when he says that, he's saying this because he's representing what many Americans think, and he's providing cover for that bigoted ignorance or that the world, and they've been hoodwinked, particularly countries that follow the U.S. marginalize this group basically and so when I go down there and speak,

2:11:15 their Catholic population, they're on the siege, basically. Vancouver, they feel the message, of course. but they're getting a lot of money from the u s criminal prosecution so you can have a 10-day supply of methamphetamine heroin whatever Where can they find out about you? I really appreciate you coming on here. Okay.