Joe Rogan Experience #707 — Michael Dowd Transcript

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0:00 All right, here we go. Dude, what a fucking crazy life you lived. No, it's definitely not. I don't think it's glorifying. I hope not. No, it's definitely not. Well, I think we're seeing today with law enforcement, with all the stuff that's going They, you know, when you don't have anybody checking that power and then on top of it They don't give a fuck.

2:21 Did he see it in the movies? and he couldn't get it. Well, after like a week of trying to get it, they throw their hands in the air, and they're like, we can't get it. I mean, I'm a nut. the map um uh you know i think it's the brooklyn the expressiveness with the body you know we speak story itself, the facts involved in the story are fucking completely insane. I mean, you, you guys,

4:52 And it seems like that's – that doesn't seem the same. How would I have reacted if I was a young man? Now I'm not saying because you broke the moral code of policing and all that shit. You're broke. You probably do something nice and you get on the news. But when you're 22 and you're on blow. I did wrong, and I paid the fucking price, I hope. I served it straight up.

7:22 But somebody approached me from Hollywood, actually commented on this documentary to Tilla Russell, the director. And two, he was a rat. but I'd be lying. And no one liked him. Yeah, ask him. to take the money They actually shot another movie there by one of the actors. I can't think in the face. And I've been in the building half a dozen times in the 9-0 precinct. They actually shot another movie there by one of the actors.

9:50 What was his last name? That was his gig. Ironically. Isn't that something? And, you know, they may have been legitimately arrested. That's how it was. So what happened was it would cause so much to process an arrest that they would sort of discourage you. Yeah. So were you there before the crack epidemic and during- We'd be throwing it out, and said,

12:48 Yeah, I remember hearing about it because I was in high school at the time, He was the basketball player that was drafted by the Celtics, for fucking life sentences, Obama. And there'd be no money in it. That's what's going on down in Mexico right now. You thought you were still in the same genre of blue-collar. It was like a fucking tornado came in and ripped the fucking community right apart.

15:33 And it was getting crazy because Coke was expensive. you know, there's many theories Ooh, I loved it. Every day. It was fucking great. And the cops will listen to this, a lot of cops hate me, Most of them are really good guys, but they get it. And you've got to know what's the difference between. Was because you forgot your paycheck kept forget to pick up and you pull up you Corvette. Yeah

18:21 me because I got like 600 stories here and I'm working with a guy named Rob Sear right now. But I'm talking with, we're dealing with Sony a little bit. Especially since he was a cop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Who's that? Right. I think you've got to do a book, though, because I've got to imagine there's no way they're going to jam that into— Yeah. You put your money in, and they don't pay out, but they do pay out if you know the right people behind the counter.

20:43 So we're driving down the block, and here comes the sergeant. Oh, this guy pissed me off. The owner, the patron of the store. So he's pissed. and they pass. He says, oh, the guy pissed me off, sergeant. He says, I'm taking it. He's taking this guy's joke, a poker machine. I don't need any problems. Anyway, he had an apartment local in the precinct.

23:03 there was a lot of excitement, like, doing all that. Yeah. For people who haven't seen the documentary, what was going on? well, I think for drugs. I said, okay, very good. Thank you. So I turned left hard and there's a there's a girl in here spending a lot of money on shoes. Come on, we spend all day vouchering the money. I didn't have enough room.

25:19 Right. How'd we do? Real good. I go, what are you going to do? He goes, let's about a minute later, I pulled him over. Boop, boop. Pulled him over. How'd we do? You would drive the patrol car up on a curb and just reach out to the fucking AT&T phone booth, Whatever excuse you can come up with. I said, you know, I got to go home. Yeah, she was an internal affairs cop.

27:07 So you knew? There was so much action. I don't know if it was from the coke or from the nerves. Just because you didn't know what was going to happen from one day to the head, to your arms, going numb. Yeah, there was a lot of shit going on. Why was it going numb? I don't know if it was from the coke or from the nerves. So if you die from a heart attack, you die from coke?

28:14 It's weird. Yeah. When you were testifying To your own fault? You know, you come and get me. they locked me up when they hit but if I tell you how the arrest went down, it's insane. but I'll try to be lighthearted here. in my life last night I knew where you were. How much of what was going on did she know about? Good story. How old were you? think the movie's going to start, if they do it the way I suggest.

31:06 And this is one of the days that it wasn't. and I said to him, All of a sudden I hear, You don't know who the fuck you are. Giant gold and Mercedes. Any girl with a hoop, dollar sign, that's my kind of girl. where something has to be mediated. Something's going on, yeah. he makes this big scene but the fact is, I just left the beach for having a crack spot

33:37 but it has his name Get a good look at him for 20 minutes. that says he gets the hair I called up on a guy selling drugs. I said, look, I don't know, but he's in a crack spot, and he's a cop. THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, MY PHONE RINGS. NOTHING. NOTHING. NOTHING. Nothing. This went on for about, if I say three weeks, I said, really? He goes, yeah.

35:17 And I'm standing in front of a plate glass window. you're fucking where my son and he's gotta be a cop that you can get my number at if you need to speak to me. You said, so what if I'm cold turkey like a heroin junkie I go back to the 75, and no one wants to work with me. He wears a wire. I know they're looking is what I'm trying to tell you to work with you

37:08 but they would but the fact is he says well and I could just walk away from this partnership and they put us in the farm together which I went to the farm three times so I'm pretty good is having a beer. He mentions Mike and I had a beer together, and I could just walk away from this partnership, Like, intervention. Like where cows are and shit? It was a place for mostly alcoholics.

38:06 You'd be in rehabilitation. So- So I went to The Farm three times in like nine months. Yeah. Yeah. And then he did a short bit. I'd have Chicky cover the next six or eight hours of shift Well, what it was was the handwriting was on the wall because the 7-7 precinct went down for shaking down local thugs and drug dealers. he liked to make arrests and get involved and shit.

40:05 Tromboli, the guy that's following me, he's across the street watching the sergeant to give us a scratch just by calling something we're done for the day. they were regular buds back then. Because it was the ghetto, and that's what you do like an asshole. He goes, I got the fucking cans. And that's when it seems like you guys had escalated. when I had the meeting

41:53 but I know it's going deep. it broke down like this. Okay. He was fucking hilarious. What kind is this? him with the unibrow. Yeah. No, no, I wouldn't do that, but I would. You got a knife shaming? Right in the middle, otherwise I might have. Or maybe from the mat. I hope they do. Because we've already opened the door to this. Yeah. Okay. 911 Targa, blonde hair, blue-eyed Dominican,

45:39 I just love the fact that I'm smoking that dude's cigar. insurance card. pants on, I go, Like, I'm annoyed. I go, wait, hold on. He goes, three, four days. He goes, no, no, no. Yeah. J-A, J-A, yeah, they do that all the time. Yeah. So anyway, Spanish people all the time. Because he's out in the fucking street. You want to hear you learn about me? Horrible.

49:12 I'm not living at home anymore. Oh, no. sometimes like I think adversity makes some women better. They learn how to take place, you know. And I'm on the plane and there's this guy with a beard, well-groomed. My income's cut way down. Sorry, I never made that. So I say, yo soy policía en Nueva York. from America. on vacation too? And we're talking back and forth.

52:18 They fucking followed me on the plane. I'm fucking 27, 28 years old. Right. So anyway, we end up in the car. a fucking house for the weekend. So I look around and I go, there's four something. I don't know. So I look around. Get in there. foot three and cute so i'm okay okay. That's 1030 at night. I'm getting a little nervous. It's midnight. He's 5'3".

55:03 At this point, who cares, right? Every time we hit a big load, we hit Atlantic City. right I don't know because the lights go out like every hour or two. So I get home. Women have their thighs cut open so they can stuff packages of fucking coke in their thighs, right. Anyway, it's a setup. I thought it said Tratbaum. We'll talk right so on the way back you like look

57:19 After the fact. Eternal Affairs was outside, you know, marking the locations and the times and everything else that I was at the house. him. He said, I was warned by the Dominican Police Department to stay the fuck away from you. THAT'S WHAT HE WAS DOING. Yeah. my guns and badge away. Right. He's about 90 years old. This is no joke. Not written on here, but this is a 90-year-old guy.

1:00:20 So I'm sort of like doing a neck twist and curl, and it says, but four specifically at one period of time keep doing really catch you listen what I did was not good. Got out of his car within two seconds, shot this 12-year-old kid who had a gun, fake gun, toy gun. body cameras why not i mean you know everybody else is filming you might as well be the one

1:02:49 Well, to let them know that this is serious and that I need to know where your hands are right now. But I'm letting you know. Undercover? because he remembers everything perfectly. It's not even that anymore. Dory was directly involved in certain things, his wife. We have. We're at odds over certain things and aspects of the story certain aspects of the story and uh

1:04:39 Okay? Yeah, well, I'm not driving all the way here and not going up to that front door. for 20 minutes, The Colombians, We throw, whatever. I want to believe him. People fucking believe that, That's goddamn hilarious. They made a recent decision that police officers in Hawaii are allowed to have sex with prostitutes on the job as a part of an ongoing investigation.

1:06:43 Like I said, let's go there. Yeah, why did they send Kenny in there? And I didn't check them because I was too proud. I'm doing my time either way, you know? You don't know. That was my first offer. So 24 to 30 Uh-huh. And now he doesn't realize that instead of just doing a guy who was eating in my house a couple weeks ago. So I get offered a shrimp boat trip, a job in Nicaragua to run a shrimp boat. A shrimp boat?

1:09:18 He said, so I got an option for you. Fine Case closed Mike I'm interested in going fishing trip? He won't say the word. Shrimp boat in Nicaragua. Why? Well, it has to come from me. Yeah. Yes. And I start finding the fucking setup everywhere around me. Anyway, he disputes that. We need a half a million plus because I can't leave my family broke. Right.

1:11:59 So you really believed it? I was in jail. When a coke dealer won't sell you below. He says, yeah, but now I want to go. Casual. how she was going to get in my car begged and gagged and whatever I don't fucking know okay load of money and it And they spoke Spanish, so how the fuck did Kenny know what they were saying? Take the money from a woman's house and the drugs and go home.

1:14:28 I can't answer that question. That's all I was, right? No, no, no, I'm not. How many years do you think you were involved as a cop committing crime? Well, every time you put the uniform on and you don't do the right thing, you're pretty much committing a crime. How many years do you think you were involved as a cop committing crime? A solid five years.

1:15:47 I mean, first of all, you're a cop. eyeball someone that could be a threat right you in a you're in a fight game I mean, really? Well, that's what was my point about having that kind of power. Yeah. from the Cocaine Cowboys. That guy's your buddy? Jesus Christ. He and I, he's a retired cop, I don't know how to do one. Are we live streaming? It's easy.

1:18:36 But I've done a few of them just with my iPhone. Yeah, but you just You could do that. And they're looking at me with that, like, sheepish, like, look. and the guy sticks his hand out on Pickett but Pickett and shake me down We're proud of you. You lived through it. that makes sense. But we're proud of you. Yeah. Which really, to me, I have to be honest with you, you're still a cop in your heart.

1:20:44 And my whole family is involved in it. The police department, the fire cops. Well, you give up your whole community. You know, when you fuck up like I did. And my whole family is involved in it. I've had people come to me... but I do mean well. right there with you. find yourself in by the circumstances you find yourself in in that situation Who's bringing the fucking drugs into that community

1:22:35 The MENA airport out of Arkansas, photographs of him in his fucking pocket That's why a criminal. because for whatever the deriving reasons are. I'll write you off forever. depth, like you had initially said, like when I really got into the paying and straight out dealing with the guys. You had her last night on TV. ways to continue to get turned on the guy with the gold chains.

1:25:57 I was in several. And then I was sent out to Mariana, Florida. What is that like? or you should stab them, you should hug them, you need to protect yourself. Right. He just got in trouble for something. Very little. it's a warm thing, you know, Yeah, I would imagine, Killing himself. But, like, I've heard it argued that, like, you go insane. Wow. known to be a psycho rather than be responsible

1:29:50 I have no sympathy for what he did. Now they're both fucked. they got rid of his 24-hour guards. He's stuck in this, And it's all exposing crime, So they're And I tell Barron, tell the owner of the bodega that he needs to leave the country right away because trial's coming up in a week. The trial's been postponed. And they arrest his wife and tell him they're going to deport her

1:33:17 i mean it wasn't them who did it right it was us who did it we had this guy leave the country You know, you've got to realize what you were dealing with. In order to keep our moving the ball forward. that to cello the the the kingpin drug dealer. or the reality is, so Baron called me in, He's got to be full of shit. Is this maximum security? Gotti's crew was on the 11th floor.

1:36:05 Yeah. Just general population. Who's the guy? You're in transition. Spanish guys with Spanish guys. That's how it was. Spanish guys with Spanish guys. Hispanic guys, 2% Asian And so, like, even if you were a wise guy in the street, you saw a white face, you know. Right, right. I was a cop or not. What happens to those guys when they get in? And some people have jobs.

1:39:04 You know, you come in. You look like a piece of paper. You're so white. You It was horrible. You know, you're sentenced by the building, you know, whatever the fuck Because you want to go out It was two years. It was like first class. over to Teterboro Airport where the federal jet is, the Learjet. So this is how they transport prisoners? They have a big bus.

1:40:40 Actually, there was a cute girl on the fucking plane with me. Where's she going? I'm not an interviewer. I would imagine. You know, like in the referee world. But this fella here is telling me, I got to get the fuck out of here. Well, it's security for this little county jail. Yeah. But they're only making he could have some money One of these cigars.

1:42:40 You're going to wake up in a puddle of your own spit. They gave him a pill? I know, but I mean, still, I was like, Oh, really? Because Donald Trump talks shit about Mexicans too much. They were digging out where I was, too. Did they? like let's say I got to do another of the summer And you're walking through this compound. place i've ever seen like up close and in person now it doesn't matter it's two years i've been

1:45:12 come and eat. so I go like this. Right. Those are the dangerous ones, right? that, you know, They just see the same and I don't have any soup Commissary. They A population good fucking meal. So you're gonna be good. Because I just came from a Right. The get over mentality, meaning you're always looking to get ahead a little bit. You could send letters.

1:48:54 And then there's cards, you know. One had the rap station on, and they all come out and I was a cop. Extras. Some places, yeah. So the money from the outside is what you maintain. Some kids only care about today, you know. down there in Florida? which is a legal argument that I made Where's Ayer? You know, you request. so you have to do I was on fucking

1:51:59 yeah to get closer to my family So I ended up in a fight over that Oh, Jesus Christ. You don't know. And that time they listened to us, and they shipped me out to McKee in Pennsylvania, and Yeah, no, after they told me. It was like, you know, because I got off a plane She goes, here's the good news. I'm living on stamps. unless there's a specific victim

1:54:16 how many kilos you sold But the details are slightly different because you know I was a fuck you would Yeah, so this is not that. is a distant cousin of mine, Yeah, so, you know, Yeah. just to show me love. I didn't drive it. You know, about 10, 15 of them were there. I need to notify the halfway house I'm going to be running late because the bus was late.

1:56:23 I don't know what I'm doing. They had a suitcase carried around. Now I got to live there, which is back in the ghetto. Yeah. I'm a white guy in the ghetto So the guy sues And they tarnished his criminal image that said he was a rogue cop. Which one? It was the Daily News. Yeah, well... Well, there you go. That's hilarious. Yeah, so he had to deal with that. This is the Daily News or the Post? A program. What was it? Which one?

1:58:15 newspapers. I mean, I didn't want to have it in my property Really? I'm cooked. I'm standing there waiting for the don't walk sign to turn so they have their hand or their people. I look at him I don't want to acknowledge him I go that's hilarious I don't know these kids. Anyway, it's another story. Played good hockey player because of me, but he got a pension. Anyway, it's another story.

2:00:20 And my brother, who And I'm like, I don't think I can do this. Wow. But you're out. So you really wanted to go back? I had to go earn a living. If I had one, I'd give it to you. and I mixed up with the construction industry what I could and and you know listen I put an ankle bracelet on me when I got home Are you free or are you not free? No patronizing or matronizing

2:03:43 Gee, how weird. Psycho, ex-con? Horrible death. And then I got jammed up again with the ankle bracelet on because I said I was going to church, but I didn't. I understand. Home confinement. It's all, you're clocked. You're still part of your sentence, which is why i said 12 and a half years not 11 years nine He says, what are you going to do? I said, look, you're going to tell the judge

2:05:58 I don't want to talk bad about judges. That's what I thought. No, I continue on in this. Where are you working? If I get a job driving a limo, I'll make $600, $800 a week for now. So I go, I tell him, I don't know. Guy goes, I go, I'm on my way. They're going to open my books and my taxes and bring me a new asshole Allegedly. Come on. Yeah, I'm not mad.

2:08:28 Wow Can you write A stinger in your neck? Working out. You just got to do it slow. Actually, my friend Denny has one that he likes even better than that. It's inflated, actually, And one of the ways is these, I have this one, it's like a harness. Listen, to change the subject for a second, you're right, I'll definitely send people. I lost the position because of my past.

2:11:16 CEO said find a way to get rid of them yeah well listen they're doing your You could probably have a fucking 500-page book. in your head and the family and the pussy and the drugs and, He's always like Yeah That's good And that's You know that's what I used to bed, sit down and read something. That's good. Right now, let me see your fucking hands. They're really not bad, right?

2:13:03 It's a good cigar. because it has the street Well, we're working on them I said, Adam, do you have a relationship with this company? Oh, that's a good move. hello, but you know who's really more interesting well there's no need and as more things come out Have you started? Shut the fuck up and write the book. I've known a lot of bad guys. Like your environment that you're in, you're going to these places, these ghettos, you're constantly around crime, you're constantly around drugs.

2:15:58 Like you never forget your first pussy I did not have sexual relations. Well, that's another story Clinton was on a rampage. Please, I don't want to get into it. It doesn't even have to. So every time you even let somebody off when they're supposed to be arrested. Well, he had what we called They got the Remy. Family oriented I mean I mean nothing See that?

2:18:45 I started wearing one again not too long ago. Good for you. I don't need you. Never. But he's got Benjamins and Franklins in his fucking bag. Well, there's no backseat in the Corvette. He was like under arrest, basically. That's, I'm down pattern, I'm scared to death. Yeah, a year in training. Actually under your own discretion. That's the size of the sixth largest police department in the country.

2:21:06 go check this guy's books. It was graduation day. Where's the fucking officer? Where's the Empire State Building? So my father goes, Mike, it's straight ahead. I actually am one now. I'm going to be serious. Now I do six months So now I'm learning I'm learning how to get a donut, they did. and if they didn't, It's a fucking crime. It's a crime to give cops a free meal?

2:23:22 Can you give a fireman a free meal? which I end up going to them I'm getting donuts Because you're walking the beat, you know. And they're like, kid, you don't fucking run to these things. Something, right. So he says to me, this veteran, he goes, you know, the last guy. I said, how do you fall over the top of a fucking railing? I don't know if they considered it a suicide or accidental death,

2:25:36 told by veteran cops that that's what happens How old are you now? But I think I put the dots together. Same crew. It was called Little Columbia. They ran them. They were fucking... Right. So you're being indoctrinated I got Elvis in the ghetto playing on my God Strike Me Dead. You're just hating your choice. I'd seen plenty of dead bodies by that point.

2:27:59 Yeah, so. And I had a choice to make, so I learned to swim quick, Jesus. Great. down the street. what? involved i go well that's what we're supposed to do we're the police supposed to ask some Guy's got a hole in his head. Stealing cars, tires and hubs, whatever they could get. I'm glad we didn't stop him first. So this is just straight. Let's just kill this guy because he confronted me.

2:30:50 But, you know, Yeah. I'll tell you the one thing that was interesting during the crack thing when I took the cocaine from the Panamanian government in the. So this one kid. So we knock on the door where the kid lives. They don't want to fucking, they didn't do nothing wrong. No, it's sort of like you're supposed to know that this is two different rooms when they hang the beads.

2:32:48 Something's up. I couldn't get it open. What am I worried about? a plume of fucking cocaine comes flying out, I go, no. Finally, I'm walking out. Gotta go. It was like, we got 28,000 for it. We had 28, something like that. A pound and a half of cocaine is a lot of money, right? At that point, yeah, it was like we got $28,000 for it. When you said you had four houses and a condo, I'm like, that's actually, for a guy doing blow robbing people.

2:34:49 Yeah, I mean, you were selling it, technically. Just remember that. Somebody tell that to Joey Diaz. I swear to Christ. nor yes did you see him no he was in they gave him his own house is he still I hope so. you get pussy. Yeah. Oh, well, Listen, I can't speak. Don't kid yourself. You have to pay the guards, you know. In the feds, they're a little more classy.

2:37:38 I think the going rate was 500, but I'm not sure. of course it was worth it they weren't like city girls well you're not going But why would they find ways? But that was what happened It happens quite often. When I Get Free. I should talk about that. No, it's just, No, no, no, no. Master Slave books, Story of All. You can say that. would pay a guy for that?

2:40:10 Mostly women. Right, right, right. Right, yeah like like us now doing this phone sex thing with? No, she was my main, well, she was the main, she was the payee. She had an escort business in Orlando. Why? That's nice. I would say so. Listen to me right now. You write a book about everybody. no phone sex business, Yeah. Sure. I handled 28 day jobs average a day.

2:43:27 I laugh about it myself. So I get assigned a prisoner in King County Hospital. I think the Bahamas you can't have growth on your face growth on my face and i'm drunk because i just did it all nighter because i did a 4-12 instead of I go I put the cuffs on the guy because I'm going to the Bahamas I'm sleeping already. Wakes me up. now he wants to take a shower.

2:46:06 Because you've got to process the arrest all the way through. But he's just not here. I don't see him. He's gone. So if I put over the air an escaped prisoner, because I don't want to admit that the prisoner's escaped yet, because I don't know if he is, but he's just not here. All right? But the communications officer on the phone goes, says, can you call me?

2:47:26 to put over the air that the fucking guy's gone. a possible escaped prisoner from Kings County Hospital Now, Kings County Hospital, people don't know, And all I can do is want to kill this fucking guy because I'm done. I got blood all over me. Not because this is going to bring attention to my drunkenness. I go, I pick him up. appointed bed now I want to fucking I want to put the cuffs around his neck right I know I shouldn't

2:50:06 And what am I going to do now? Now I can't even touch myself. back into the precinct and the lieutenant on the desk goes, He goes, you're done? fucking fuming. So, P.S., getting interviewed sitting around on our desk. Jesus Christ. I'm fucking tired. your whole life. That's an easy one. That was an easy one to tell. Yeah, that's a four-, and I'm sure you have a million crazy stories like that. That's an easy one.

2:52:58 A lot of people like to not—they don't want to give the recognition to—this is what life is. Right, the crack era. wouldn't be the way it was. No, there's no way. And that's why I like I talk about this often. And that's a really hard thing for a guy who was a cop i Wow. It's not a good life, you know? hey, you're doing a mic down. to just clean you're a fucking

2:55:20 but that's not the point, When I did my job well, you couldn't be half what I was. Well, he's a douchebag. Yeah, I'm working with Internal Affairs right now, by the way. for bosses, cops, and recruits. one of them. One was the chief of internal affairs, and I'm being honest, sincere. I spoke on one of, one was the chief And they would have women, after the word, poignant or riveting.

2:57:08 I told them some of the things I was doing. They're going to be fine. That sounds great. they want me to come and actually speak. It's a great idea. on it, and maybe had it stopped before. And it was very, very divisive. you not to make arrests you know they're telling not to do this. And your boss failed three tests, and you didn't pass them either.

2:59:25 And they didn't want another fucking scandal like they had in the 7-7 precinct. Yes, themikedow.com, and that's where people should buy the documentary, the 7-5, I'm very happy to be here. Woo. Woo. Woo. Woo. Woo. Woo. Woo. Woo. Woo. Woo. Woo. .