Joe Rogan Experience #713 — Dave Rubin Transcript

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0:00 And we're live! How about ban yourself, you fucking slob? Yeah. You just keep plowing through. It's been explained to me, Dave Rubin, the skin is flexible. You're addicted to food. Shouldn't say I quit sugar because I had a little this weekend. And my head was killing me. I'm like, 20 grams of sugar in a fucking serving of granola. go to a fancy restaurant here in la they give give you a Mexican Coke because that has real sugar.

3:00 get off is corn. There's definitely that We were talking a little bit about food before you know But it's actually, you know, I had this guy, Peter Giuliano on at one point, who's a real coffee expert. The problem is, for a podcast, it gives me phlegm. but I just don't do it before a podcast anymore. months that is a lot to gain for most people it dulls their appetite didn't dull your appetite

5:42 For people listening, Dave Rubin's a very slim man. all day long. You know what I mean? a bodybuilder thing and the stenozol allows you to keep mass on or helps you assist you in keeping this ladder yeah it's like icarus you know what i mean you're just going up and up and up but one That's the saddest. but it also shows me why the gay marriage thing

8:23 You just keep doing it. like it's just a bunch of moments. Isn't there an advisor that says- know that that spot i don't know that one but dude when i was on news radio yeah um i we used about your body right you're doing the right things but you go in there and you see these guys They would literally, you'd be on Yeah. Yeah. Let that bitch run. have to deal with this shit i got treated like a woman with a gun.

12:08 you always amazed at their relentless relentless tenacity to never take a cue But there's probably 50 other guys that are trying to work their way into the friend zone. He's not even a real person. Mike would marry me. I have to figure out how to get this person to touch my body and create pleasure. what i honestly haven't seen it I've only seen clips of it.

14:20 I did that 10 years ago. Yeah. And we all think that we benefit from people like Elon Musk and innovators and geniuses. But how many of them are there? Not many. Not many. Not many. you with when you walk in there? store yeah oh you don't remember that like even the stores at the mall they'd have just these from Abercrombie. I've been there You know what's really interesting?

16:49 I don't know who he is. that couldn't get jobs there, or I think there was a girl who wanted to wear a hijab or all that stuff Like, he's had some serious shit done. Fuck you. your real positions to make social brownie points to appeal to the hardest of hardcore always dressed very well, but she's got fucking skin so the opening Yeah. I mean, it's the same as bodybuilders. It's the same as people with anorexia.

19:55 That's the one I see on these women. I get it though, man. You thought you were gentrifying the front, but in the end you just killed more people. So you did the thing where you actually had it cut out. See the back yeah they cut a strip out how long did you let it go before you gave up and just said But I'm like, if it works, I don't give a shit. It's a boner killer.

22:01 Because I used to get my hair cut by this lady who I love dearly. No, she's not a bitch. Like, oh, yeah. Let me get this straight. Yeah. a head of hair and they're swimming well so it's very confusing well i think the idea is that if Was it stress relatedrelated for you? But they're, like, really close to fixing that, apparently, with just, just like some sort of a pill or a rub,

24:22 You got. Go do some shit. I wonder if, like, joggers get I'm not sure Sudden death. You might drop dead. Was that the one with the cloud the cartoon cloud that was following the guy? I'm not on any prescription drugs right now. Well, he's fully back. so you're keeping shit from him i didn't like him his last name was ruben which is why i went to him

27:18 like an old desktop computer all the I just remember I lived in New York City at the time. a terrifying thing to remove the lows yeah all lows, like the lows are there to teach you. And especially as an Who the fuck knows? Absolutely. But it is still too easy to get guns. Yeah. Yeah. That's one of the problems that I have with the idea of a left and a right.

31:58 strong libertarian leanings because you want to be, I'm a firm believer that the government should and it's fucking exhausting and it's it's well look you've had Sam Harris on Instead, he's a guy that you can point to and say, well, he has a strong position about Islam. you're not thinking you're not thinking you're you're writing things and this is part of the

34:04 And what they're doing is like when And that's what these people are doing so Sam how many times has he been here at least twice right now? And I've disagreed with him about certain points. Yeah. immediately went to the social justice warrior. But he'll debate all of those. Dave Rubin and they're gonna come for all the other people that are tweeting about this and

37:09 I think he's a very funny comic. And there's only two of us, luckily. Entangled in their ideology that they want death upon people. They wish death upon people who leave the religion But what it really is, is a rigid set of ideologies. whose father throws the first rock. So think about the absurdity of this, that the hatred for these people, the hatred for

39:14 Yeah. And Bill should have a show like that. Bill's got his own archaic yeah let him let him that's fine that i just think that format is like everybody thinks that the more we extrapolate ideas, talk about stuff, don't scream at each other. I'm bringing listen, I hope that plenty of people that will be listening to this will disagree with me, I've literally seen him do stand-up where he's yelled at the audience for giving him applause breaks.

42:01 within a minute, right? So think about it. It's pretty much the worst thing you can say about somebody, right? You would have to go deep into it. I gotta think that, like, some You know what I mean? about meditation. He's talking about inner peace. I've read the book, you know, like some pretty you're talking about clinging to these ideas that were formed and ingrained in these communities

44:49 And fucking Batman. Yet for some reason, these books that were written, you know, thousands of years ago, sexuality. I judge people on what they say and what they think and what the social justice warriors I'm entirely cynical. So, Dave, where are you from? and your fucking, you know, there's a few Yeah. And to be in that club, you have to agree with them.

47:43 gets on that show and someone says something that then he thinks, I can get in here and make some fucking points. my mind, that I do agree that he wasn't doing the segment even started. all these little kids well surely that guy's not fucking them yeah Yeah. How could he do that? He loves the children. Yeah. So you could be fighting against the ideas of Islam without being racist or in a race, but without even being without being bigoted towards Muslim

50:20 So in a weird way, I think if we have a Republican president next time, comedy is going to get guy that's killed more innocent people with drones or been responsible for being the lead, I mean, we blew up that hospital. It's amazing. and blah, blah, blah. Isn't that the sister? you'd vote for Will? he's extremely well read Oh, I remember those commercials.

52:53 Yes, I started the book first. 100 or 500 pages. Huge problem. Middle East politics and I love talking about religion all of this shit like i love all of it you got to know your shit you know it's tough well fortunately I don't necessarily really have We're gay discos and Ben Affleck's a douche and, fucking nightmare crazy cult leader dude that that that has formed this insane religion because i

55:47 Well, there's dirt, you know And you're also dealing with the cradle of civilization. Whether you believe in evolution. all she'd do is go a little panic attack she just freaked she freaked out all right panicked i don't And they spread out all throughout the country. But the oldest what we know today as far as we know the oldest written language the oldest uh uh agriculture the oldest government structure

58:58 could also talk about israel palestine if you want all of it is such a clusterfuck because Iraq and Syria right now are not even countries. By any estimation of what a functioning country Has there been a Libya one? It was a horrible, horrible place, And he was a terrible, evil dictator. But when you remove a dictator, you create a vacuum. And that vacuum

1:00:57 He was doing horrible things to his people. get any crazier than having a guy like dick cheney as the vice president who's the ceo of halberd Halliburton, by the way, they're doing a lot of shit in Iraq right now. What do we do? and historians look at this point in time, they see it as an explosion of change, like a We're going to have to figure out a way to do this better.

1:03:25 But do you think we've gotten to a breaking point with that? but I think there's been, reason to believe that. But if but if you parse everyone down to their one issue. So if you say That's not how you do it. At the same time, what did they probably end up doing? about as someone that's on the left and that believes in liberal principles and doesn't want

1:06:29 transgender rights or any of the ideas that I'm sure you and I could both agree with. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're on it. So you could use the gay rights thing as a great example of that But anyway, if you take that movement, look, it happened pretty damn quick. just awful even sitting here with a terrible person it's been you know very grating for me but

1:08:25 at the end of the day, now that gay people have equality, well, guess what? Suddenly gay people You're not this amazing person with this moral high ground that stands above and gets to proclaim how they've been fighting for rights and screaming and yelling and crying. somehow I'm defending the right. There is nothing I agree with these people on. You know what I mean?

1:09:43 whether you agree with them or not, We got to bring them back because otherwise we're going to have the regressive left and we're going to have the tea party. this it really is i mean and then there's there's a balance and i think that a lot of I don't support it as an ideology, but I'm fascinating by the natural human compulsion Kind of like Hitler.

1:11:39 if, and being like, I don't have any idea. I don't covet my neighbor's wife. And probably most of your listeners do by it. even though he's not around anymore. atheists wouldn't even say a few days ago, uh, Sam Harris on, it's on something called secular talk. It's on YouTube. or, I'll let him pick who it was and what it was. a link, give it five minutes. So we did it. And he laid out, uh, you know, the profiling, he laid

1:15:08 Literally, Glenn retweeted a misquote from our interview that Sam said it was something about, So that's ridiculous. Because he's a middle-aged man. dumb they work for the TSA. this bitch was saying to me and barely paying any attention. They're just folks working I was profiled. I think they should just be ignored, these so-called social justice warriors.

1:18:15 The thing is called uncomfortable learning. We know that they're all on Ritalin and all that shit, right? Now they go to college. I want to go into that. For a cartoon. Yeah, and she's talking about ideas again. She and this is what Sam says all the time as someone that is outing this bullshit. not that he's talking about anything that operate in academia have only worked in academia and they don't really understand the

1:21:09 universe. This is how they exist. And these people are pretty much all part of the regressive left. could take any of these people, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, she's not against Muslim people. She's against Yes, I did. little bit better. Cenk only doubled down on all of this shit because they don't want to debate That's why Charlie Hebdo cartoons, But we can't just pick.

1:24:04 or don't agree with him on other things, I feel like he's got an opinion. jank is not at the same level as sam when they come when it comes to debating these ideas at on it, it was because he was out of town. So I was either filling in or something like that. So are being abused. And there's a lofty goal there somewhere. But if you use the tactics of dishonesty and slander and smearing and all that

1:27:05 the day if me and him get to our mea culpa but it's not public right so i'm very respectful not attacking way i laid out some stuff he completely ignored it a couple weeks went by finally i did while he was sitting next to Sam. how we would rightly react to that for me, for anyone that cares about any of this to clean up the mess is is way too much for just up Sam's a

1:29:04 What is with who though? person sees what they've done to him, it causes the average person not to want to speak about This wasn't where I really wanted to go. but I think that when guys like Cenk Like, you can say something, like, as a comic comic, you can say things and you can joke around them. And when your ideas are massively inconsistent and contrary, days later, and when you're expressing an idea that you have to know is incorrect.

1:31:24 Not you. Not you. I know. Maybe you, bro. But you know what I mean? Speak for yourself. We've all made we've all whatever i have maybe you bro yeah not you not you i know because the media wants you to be a star, too. And these guys doctored them up and turned them into this epic thing that ultimately cost them a shitload of credibility, if not all their credibility.

1:32:37 Your helicopter had to get hit, though, Exactly. That's the difference. I can't, How do you separate that? like I had this conversation with Mark Maron the other night at the comedy store and he was like, or miss miss you know misconstrued you know it's funny it's it's also what is And I said something that was profoundly dishonest or was smearing of someone else

1:35:48 How can you retweet memes implying that Sam wants to nuke the entire Middle East? and there's a real threat that they're going to use them on other people. What are the options? We're the only country that's used nukes. Do you think that Contradictory statements by me well. It's because there's no benefit in it Yeah. Every time I talk to him, I enjoy talking to him.

1:38:38 like the the Kilstein delusion it was the name of the uh video and because of that he received so You make it seem like people were yelling at you and there's people and they were so upset with me. case like you're talking about with Jamie, it's extremely validating that you create a space victim you're trolling for love I mean that you're trying to do you're trying

1:41:03 things that Sam, sam you know those controversial ultimately it will lead if you you know, for for good. we disagree. But as you said, let's have this. I mean, I've seen her distort. It's paved with those fucking things. That's the problem. There is. that you have in your name and your fans it's like a guy saying i know where i'm going but you really don't and then you just keep saying i

1:45:06 not that this has really been about me because this is about some big stuff, but we're having Because I'm horrified. And I am not, yeah, I love her too. Yes. that know about science to tell me And that's a whole other thing, right? It's impossible to be an expert in all of that and I'm an expert in martial arts. There's there's different stick fighting styles and like you can't know everything you can't well you can I can't know anything

1:48:33 you were going to do anna's show and we were we were talking for a few minutes and obviously i I mean, he was, I have 10 more minutes to go. Yeah. And all you sell is art. You have a vampire. I was with them for a little bit. He's been my agent for years. factor at the time i had all this money and i'm like you can't hurt me and he tried he tried to

1:51:59 Well, I'm sure there's probably untold amount of young comics that he lifted from that you You've got that with a lot of really shitty lot of like really shitty comedians make it. has more talent I think he sent him a $15,000 check. up by the way we've since become friends and he's sort of apologized and whatever. the premise they duplicate the premises they duplicate the pathway to getting to the end of

1:54:32 so if the average person, Well, I remember. No MC at the comedy store. fake name what wait what was his real name yeah Ned Holness something and what and when he was in that you know that year of just thunder sanity i remember watching that and was a little hot and cold but like basically like there was the comic bond you know what i mean like the Dice man was a guy he would

1:57:28 who takes a potion. 50-something. then the potion starts wearing off and he goes back to being his nerdy self again and dice is Like that's that was the power. maybe the most successful serial rapist ever of all time yeah um but that that sparked it in for Sure. been that kind to him and even just the way he looks and he's had some health things like just

2:00:41 times and they know it all and it was like as as good as ever. It was amazing to watch. And this is coming from someone who has Lenny Bruce posters framed in his house. And he opened it for everybody yeah period and i think that's often the case with uh a lot Carlin. is fucking perfection. It, I, I, I've asked her this before. He knew his health was failing at

2:03:28 watch that today it's not really that funny you know who is really interesting the old stuff is Well, it doesn't matter. First of all, you want to talk about homophobia, not just homophobic, but violently, aggressively homophobic. Maybe it was Lily Tomlin. so many of the people that, of course, that we admire and all the lines from something that came

2:05:37 Yeah. something that i thought was really great he said you know he said when i became a good comic was Like that's the sauce. the time yeah it's but that doesn't that explain sort of like And look, I did stand up. and social stuff. that I made it seem like I was straight and i don't act that gay whatever the hell that means so i wasn't even gay enough for them

2:08:59 I wanted to do yeah because if you're a musician a magician and you believe that you're really pulling a rabbit They go out, they can say, hey, Dave Rubin is at the Ice House tonight. gets you to the dance in the first place is your fucked up past your angst your insecurities your taylor negron who i met right before he. Didn't even know I met him just a couple of weeks before he was going to do my show.

2:11:29 walking between them. And I thought, wow, like that there, there's a guy who I respect as a And I was like, look, there's a guy just on with his kids. I think NBC, right? He had a lot more responsibility than me because I was on this giant ensemble where I was the fifth or sixth person when the credits roll. He had funny things to say about certain things.

2:13:44 It's just horse Demons. Yeah. Yeah. and I thought I was being I went in I'll tell them I get headaches Yes, there is a basement. I enjoy getting high and going to the comedy store. I enjoy marijuana. Right, you're doing shit. Does that mean TV makes you lazy? It has good and bad. But when the matches are going on, I'm not leafing through papers. I want to watch their fights because I know they're coming up.

2:18:05 I have to have good memory. and especially short-term memory. or you're going to meet a girl for a drink or something, And all of this shit and this bounce back of why people like this now is because all of this I really think is is are going to have real issues with their neck because they're always looking down. people you do all kinds of weird you know how if you're writing i'm a lefty so like uh if i'm

2:20:30 Yeah, maybe. And who the fuck was it that was on the podcast that referred to it as like a cast? Yeah. and look at this broad range of distances. When do radio start? And as you were talking about earlier about how the internet's going to change us and we're learning so much more faster and all that, that now it's so involved in this digital. Do you know who Marshall McLuhan is?

2:23:12 technological caterpillar and we're giving birth to a new life form i really really believe that We're just going to get rid of them. People won't be around a thousand years? We're going to, well, I guess we've given up on the moon, right? will have evolved slightly differently. Or maybe, you know, you could pick like, I love Star Wars. Oh. We have a shitty old car, and we're like, let's just abandon it and leave it on the lawn and move to the neighbor's house.

2:25:50 and now you've... these developing nations, China, they're going through what we went through 60 years ago. So when we have the UN meet and try to get everybody to come up with, you know, numbers that we're Right. Cause I never bring my own bag. I need those paper bags. Well, they'd hate you for that. Well, 100 years ago, you'd be amazed at what progress has taken place socially.

2:28:02 you can get energy. And just because pollution is in the air, carbon dioxide is hitting record levels. It doesn't mean that can't be antibiotics and hormones into food. I want to be able to eat clean, healthy food. Also ethically, Origins and plastic wrapped container and you just take it home you cut open the plastic and you slap it on but I shouldn't say I'm surprised because if it's cheaper to do it that way,

2:30:41 One of the things that I like about whole foods, Everybody says, oh, you have to have grass fed, grass fed. Five or six days to put it all together to get one and then you have to process the meat and carry it and freeze it You know, if you want to see how crazy the food system is, also you could check, you know, he's hanging out with chickens. But we have somehow, like, that's how marketing is so crazy.

2:33:22 I guess that's what government's supposed to have. Yeah. Because no fucking babies are getting crushed A hundred percent. good mile or two. You can see it in the air. You see these dirty animals that can barely move. It's gonna come from somebody else that grows that food and well how they're gonna grow that food sandwich within 30 seconds yeah like there's only one way to do that you know

2:36:02 Because we do. There's just this endless distraction and you got to pilfer some truth out of it. We're gonna get the parts how you gonna fucking forge the metal or are you just going to flush your shit down the toilet and hope the guy at the other end knows what to do? I mean, when I was a kid, okay, in the 1970s, And then there's India, it's an exploding population.

2:38:59 And we operate on this fucking constant momentum with very little quiet time. Oh, man. It just pushes open and pushes closed. Like it would be a lot. It's relaxing. like 30 grand Wow yeah they're really expensive but mine is seven feet tall Rubber pigs and rubber elk and rubber deers. I was reading this thing that they were talking about. Well, I can tell you as someone that has almost all Ikea, you know, it's funny. I started,

2:41:52 Well, the other side meaning like, But I'm not rolling in dough by any stretch. I have a friend of mine who's on a huge sitcom. But I do aspire. My bed is Ikea. is painful. But, you know, like, I'm joking, but also, like, there's a lot of truth in that. then build furniture you could do it but then you'd have to say okay well am i gonna weave my you pull it through, and you push it down and make your own cloth.

2:44:32 worry about money. Yeah. I don't worry about money, but, um, I worry about work in, in that like uh I got a development deal when I was like um I don't know how many years in the economy but in over their head giving themselves a bunch of shit that they don't need then they have to pay owning your brand, all the things that you do. Somebody asked me to do a seminar on

2:47:16 been really good to me as you said at the beginning they let me do whatever i want i mean literally What is that? No, he's even richer than that guy. Jesse Ventura has a show. But actually this is the first deal that I ever had my agent I told you my issue that I had with the agent My manager, he found me in Boston when I was making people laugh, In a lot of respects should be your friend and your guru Yeah, you're sort of you know helping you down that road the agent is getting you gigs, but sometimes they're not

2:49:53 and when you do start doing well, then they're your buddy. it had just rolled into September 11th. I think he lives in Columbia now It's incredibly hard to live one life, right? and I could just, oh, that's my cousin. I wasn't couldn't bring those things to the stage anymore and just my life was a fucking disaster anyway uh about I was not mentally right.

2:53:06 was being ripped apart. That was like the, the level of disconnect I had with reality at that Well, Milo, who you had on a couple of ago, and I had him on the day or two after. I mean, we argued about that. That's the audience. But anyway, I thought we were like the world was attacked or we were under attack because that I finally expressed this thing that I had the secret that I had had.

2:55:09 Sometimes I would wait months and then I would tell someone. It's a weird secret because the people that do care, play basketball like you know like that so nobody could believe like they just well you don't seem Like, why am I? Yeah. Because I am who I am. like a freak. You know what I mean? Really? Yeah, because I am who I am. You're married to a guy.

2:56:47 I was like, holy shit. But I realized that if I felt better when I told people that there had to be some value in that in a way that I couldn't understand things. As do all people that matter. about how the black host that he was such a token black guy he was such a token black guy. He was such a token black guy. I know what this guy believes. done that. You know, like when they showed like a Republican convention and there's one black guy

2:59:27 Nothing else. I'll wrap this up. This was seriously... My branding. See you.