Joe Rogan Experience #714 — John Wayne Parr Transcript

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0:00 Yes! That's my ode to Brodie Stevens. What's up brother? How are you? Great to see you. Do you know? I saw a boy come into the change room to get a photo with me. What did they give you? Was it really a pink elephant, or are you just fucking around? So now I thought my plateau was 300. But I'm starting to... Well, that's the main, because that's the right elbow too coming down.

2:58 in this country of high-level kickboxing. is there any chance you can put me on? I thought, But what I was going to say is that Glory doesn't have elbows. the rules and water it down into one sort of many fights has he had I think close to 70 yeah I mean mean, how many fights has he had? I think close to 70. And then all of a sudden they tell you you can't do it.

5:44 at that particular style of Muay Thai, It's incredibly intense and technical martial art Sometimes they think it's getting a little bit boring. I think you should just allow the people that are watching it Again, we're not going to spend airfare money and then that I think I think they were in Vegas and You guys are at a casino. The Native American reservations did because they put on King of the Cage in Native American

9:10 a lot of guys, Quentin Jackson got started, Juice to the tits. it was like looking at Michael Jordan or someone, as you explode into trying, so much so much harder when they say and um the funny thing is he can make i think 70 is 155 he and he's just improved everything he hit me with other muay thai guys do like you're very light on the front foot.

11:55 a lot of fighters but not with you you got this weird sort of unusual timing you know especially and i just worked at it worked at it worked at it to make it my main weapon. Or I want to try and break that right hand down so that it's taking the power away from your right punch. You use that so effectively, man. That's right. Did you just say, I'm just going to put a barrage on this motherfucker and see what happens?

14:12 thinking, come on, just land that good one to just give myself an eight count Especially with kicks, right? And then as I seen him sort of, I've gone to jump in and whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. He played a little mind game there. And you tried to move in and the referee got in between you. Well, you could tell too because after that he wasn't the same.

16:04 Like, hold on, man. I man I gotta clean the bottom of my feet and then he goes But he's a tough guy. and just talking about different things. and then at the end of it, but also a big part of fighting that he just couldn't perform at his best. So in that sense, it's got to be a pleasure when you meet a gentleman like Cosmo Alexander, everyone was you gotta get this guy

18:58 and then again Instead of thinking, okay, just do the business. As soon as you get emotionally invested in something like that and just you're dealing with that other thing which is even bigger and more central to your your thoughts and took a photo and then it's like and then same with um conor mcgregor and aldo every time they get together it's like well you

20:58 Yes. But I also believe that Daniel Cormier was fucked up going into that fight emotionally. It was madness. That's what Muhammad Ali did to Sonny Liston. this massive hard puncher and knocked everybody dead, he was scared of crazy people. I'm the champ the champ is here the red panties yeah if you're fighting me break out the red panties honey we made it yeah no he's

23:56 I think he's just free and just thinks that way, you know? And then he just shines and just becomes this different different animal which is a marketing genius at the same hand too. His, uh, his, his left hand power punch. Woof. That's a fucking good night. Irene punch, Does things real weird. it's it was so street you know everything it was it was not like skillful it was not like fighting

26:50 You watch two professional Thais and they train identical. Every kick was murder. Yeah, yeah. 39 years of age though i mean with all your cuts and all that stuff? just as hard I ran 1000km so 600 miles I should go to meters. your passion do you think that's because of your enthusiasm that you truly love muay thai and i Where I've been so fortunate that my knees are intact.

30:38 the passion that's um i just i just wanna my life from the time i was four years old all i wanted Are you more careful now about your diet about rehabilitation I went upper weight division also. 67. so i this is the i can't remember how long it's been since I've won a world title so bad. But I hope I put an entertaining fight in. Oh, no, it was that other young Thai kid that I forgot his name.

33:22 I really enjoy watching those shows. And then it's like, whoa. They're very big people. Don't the Dutch people like pancakes and smokes and pickles? competitions why is that why is all these iceland guys that keep winning when you see them you go oh and she was technically outmatched. You know, I think there's a difference in, um, someone who's You know you've seen a lot like the toughest girl she ever fought was Gina Carano

36:54 as as effectively because they can't use it because of the catches and the takedown punches and she's so long so long she keeps you at the end of her punches yeah i i man i get because he made some adjustments on the ground And I think for everybody, like the meatheads that watch MMA, Wild stuff, man. I don't know how to make that shift. I was very lucky.

39:42 And then when you, instance I'm Gloria Lion I believe the statistics was the statistic was 10 million people were watching that fight because it was so crazy and so wild, Kenny Florian yeah Diego Sanchez fought Kenny Florian for the 185 pound title on that same night But it literally was born out of one event. Yakuza. They had the walkouts. If I'm a young kid and I'm watching the TV, UFC is the only way to go.

43:23 if you get 10 grand you're're like, yeah, 10 grand. The UFC 115-pound strawweight champion, Joanne Jacek, is a Muay Thai champion. getting better but they're not world championship level yes you know they're just and if you're a So it becomes problematic. and jay check who's fighting at one a natural 135 who fights ronda rousey someone who comes out there

45:29 and she ran in going, what did I do? like you know i mean that's probably half the reason why she made that mad crazy bum rush Or Toronto. And then the day comes, you think you can handle it I mean, I think Jon was 23 actually just a special competitor. What are you going to do about her armbars? Yeah, and then you get armbarred. She had that one really tough fight with Claudia Gadea,

48:19 And for someone who's a good Muay Thai fighter, man, that is. Otherwise, she's going to grab you and flip you upside down She was obviously an excellent wrestler, but as an MMA fighter, she just, there's like And she even said, recently she said, Not in MMA, at least. She was out. learning how to strike too but all with all due respect betch kohea is a brawler like her technique is it's not that

51:29 She can go to Brazil, and then the Brazilians will cheer her. I just wish Holly had more fights in the UFC. And that head kick's a killer, too. She's a terror. She wants that title built bad. I have too many names in my head, man. Yes. And it's already almost sold out, I think. She's a demon, dude. said oh oh excuse me ron did you mind if i get a picture and she goes oh sorry no photos until

54:36 So then we took a photo and she's amazing. And then she was just normal. You know, I think part of it's the Armenian thing. He's awesome. No, they fought on the same cards here in Cali. Like, he's really improved Travis Brown's hands. wasn't. Arlovsky was a guy that everybody thought was at the end of his time. But Arlovsky has been So when they'd gotten into the octagon together,

57:33 Expecting the same fireworks and unfortunately it was a little bit of arm Because a win virtually guarantees you a shot at the title. So that's one of the weird things about the UFC that people don't like is that there isn't any like clear structure listen, but she said that she should probably think about what she's going to do when with just ads and endorsements and movies.

59:49 And how much do you think she makes? I'll do respect. It kept bored. She's an outstanding fighter. Yeah, but who's making that movie? I'm like, look, I know a lot of people doing movies. And then you don't hear about her as a movie star anymore me Hopefully that might skyrocket her career. I'm like, good luck with that, dude. But in the world of acting, my God, there's so many hoops and ladders and so much bullshit and it doesn't matter

1:02:57 the right social circles. You got to be on the right red carpets. You got to support the right Yeah, he's already there, so he can do what he wants now. And it took a while for them to rebound. It's not the same world. Yeah, yeah. Australian stuff or American stuff? And you think that's, And then they lay there dead. You don't have to do nothing. And the documentary that you were talking about, if people didn't understand you through your thick Aussie accent, it's Blessed with Venom.

1:05:58 Great documentary. So about an Aussie going to Thailand and learning the Thai customs and culture Yeah. and hundreds of years before you were ever born yeah it's um and then what happened was so say So the only way they could survive is for me to become the best that I could. What's his name? So they'd all bet on him. You're not kicking my ass. It was 2-1.

1:09:14 Sankt-Ten was about 36, 37. he had a heart attack he was only like 42 or 43, right? I think 44. 44, was it? 44 in a park. And it's very, yeah. was he like the just the dude he was just uh an animal uh and so many stories like me and you i So it was really cool. His style was so aggressive too. He's a fucking interesting guy, Rob Kamen, man. and he was fighting ties a little bit smaller,

1:12:21 Whereas Raymond was, you can go and watch them and you'll understand what we're talking about when you just watch We'll just keep it really small. with us and then uh he'd say okay put your hands up i'm going to demonstrate a demonstration That'd be detrimental to my health. And because he was fighting so regularly, he didn't have to spar because he was fighting possibly every two weeks or so.

1:15:17 So everybody's excited to see him. You need a lot of time off. And then when you fight, you'll fight like that because you fight you fight that all the time or do you take a more intelligent approach like many fighters do like like karate, it'd be pulled. And then after three hours, you're still smiling, you're still joking. Because you can do that in a clinch.

1:17:17 I'm sweet. Yeah, so and then you hear about MMA guys and then if they have more than 30 flights and then, yeah, it's just normal. So for them over there, it's a necessity. But as a junior from, say, 7 until 10, you can definitely get away with fighting And then they started putting on weight, like muscle weight, but they're still like super flexible.

1:19:59 if that happens you've got the dangerous the rest of the world that have already excelled to a certain level. It's not about the fight. as a, as a little baby girl. And I was, I was so petrified as a father, but then she walked out I'm not just a friend, but I've shared a moment in time where me and you, because I have such a deep passion for it. I'm like, man, this is an intense moment that these two guys are sharing.

1:22:39 if to go to school fighting on Saturday in a tournament And the boys come over to your house. They have a sleepover, you've got four or five And people who compete, they have the experience of doing that. with headgear on and big gloves and shin pads in an amateur fight. It's that same thing where you're people that are – you always say, oh, I'm just – that guy pisses – he's pissing me off.

1:24:45 who have never had when they're fighting they're going to kick this guy's ass. I'm just going to walk over there. Or they break a bottle or they pull something out of their pocket. there's a big difference. And I think that's where a lot of people get confused when it comes to Yes. and you're overlooking this board, I mean, not taking anything away from chess, because chess

1:27:35 and you got to do your strength and conditioning and you got to spar when you don't want to spar get nervous before they have a match, oh, am I going to get knocked out? and then I don't hear anything I don't see anything besides my opponent I can't yeah I'm or until you watch the replay on the phone or the internet or the replay. never be able to understand what you guys have gone through yeah and then the idea you've been

1:30:11 guy out and make adjustments and make adjustments and just and turn the pain off yet still trying I'm good friends with Vinnie, but I never work with anyone. as well that i've And instead of like saying, I know what I want, I'm going to go get it. how could you say that guy needs to go to a mind coach you can't right but i really honestly roy jones jr there's a guy watching roy jones jr and thinking i gotta figure out a way to beat that

1:33:28 Really a highly highly respected trains He dominated those exchanges by maybe a half a second like he landed a half a second quicker where I believe that I think what the mind coaches are doing Talk to Vinny. who can wake up at 3 o'clock in the morning and say it's go time. Oh, mate, don't worry. Right. I give him ideas of what I want to do on the pads.

1:36:34 their manager to tell them who to fight yeah they want everything set up for them and they just want well so i've been yeah so lucky that i've been yeah there's it just it just sort of happened how so? with 200, 300 fights um yeah you're buying a pack of chewing gum god damn it what's the cheapest you ever fought for But it was probably like a super elite, world-class fight.

1:39:08 So there was one place where you would train. And then what's the gentleman now that trains at Glory that's doing this? He's a beast, though. 76, I believe. Good high knee as well. Yes, neither the face killer when he fought Raymond Daniels a good high knee as well yes knee to the face he's a killer keep the pressure on him into the corner too You know Raymond Daniels is an interesting case because there's a guy who was

1:41:26 hit a guy once he hits you back you hit him again and it's all about hitting and not being hit and you can't kick the legs. And he's excelled at it, except at the very elite level. interesting yeah very unorthodox added the spins yeah and the jumping but you gotta wonder man man again, without the exposure, Yeah, I suppose, yeah. make money in Holland fighting I uh they shut down all the big

1:44:52 That was the place to go, Holland and Showtime. It was such an amazing show. And then because they knocked it on the head, now there's, where do you go? But here's the problem. I know who he is, but he's just not world class. okay, we're going to Japan. Well, I think Okay. The Fedor. Everyone signed with either Bellator or UFC. You know what I mean?

1:47:09 Like the pro days, that would have been amazing. who can go out there and recruit those guys at a young age and then have... And he always said that. But I don't even think pro wrestling is where it's at anymore in Japan. Yeah. well he's also butter bean in MMA he thought he got him in the butter bean Yeah. even justify a lot of freak shows you know

1:50:25 At least. He was crazy. You see one of the photos the former boxing champion, He fought MMA for the first time. the room and those motherfucking japanese set me up man they knew they knew damn right i had no former boxing champion who fought K-1, So during the fight, there were so many times that the American boxer was giving his arm, As a boxer? It was Michael Lerma.

1:53:39 Visit page. Yeah, that shit doesn't really work. He's He was the Conor McGregor He was doing all He was actually silent He was like this You mean Conor McGregor May back of K1 sorry but he wasn't talking was he talking shit he didn't have to right he was He was a beautiful man. He fought Borkca, right? And Masato's looked at Borkow's going, the KOMX title to,

1:56:06 Yeah. They should have stopped it wow the K1 Max twice Musashi. been no k1 max yeah he was he was the kid that shined that said yep we need to make a 70 kilo I think he got to the stage where he'd already conquered the sport so yeah I wanted what Masato had. You see that pull up and the door opens like a spaceship. how come I can't be him? 90,000 people

1:59:13 If you have 90,000 people in an arena, and you're selling those, for a few years in a row. Oh, that's it? and then the other gentleman Oh, is that what happened? hurts and yes God Mike Bernardo it's like those fights were so technical so Yeah, this is the golden era. Remember Andy Hug? Yes. Threw a lot of wild kicks. six, seven, eight times like the furthest amount

2:02:03 I mean Remember how thin he was? And then when it always came to the ape eight man he'd never quite successfully get close. Yep. Yeah. That was the big martial arts event Where'd the giant checks go? Wow. It's not about money. Look at all those zeros. Who cares how much it no don't ask that doesn't matter it's not about money look at all those zeros who cares how much is worth and it's in

2:04:36 dollar gate but then ringside is probably way more than 100 bucks like ring ringside at ufc Your nose actually bled? Who the fuck gets a nose bleed on a mountain? the nose when you when you jump out of a plane you don't get nosebleeds really when you parachute So, yeah. jim lampley here abc wide world of sports or whatever the fuck it was back in the day when I was watching boxing.

2:06:51 I saw him fight when he was a really young professional, Even if it's happening, even if it's brutal, you're not there. you're looking at your phone you're looking up you're looking down but while you're there live My friend who's a doctor told me, listen, man, if that shit did anything, it would get Yeah, if you- and you've got that shit on your forearms and it's got a turning away

2:09:28 So, yeah, you come out and you're shining and you're glossy. got logos on the canvas as well between the vaseline and the stickers and then yeah it's Sometimes can be slippery especially a fresh canvas. Yes, but those fucking logos are the worst I used to have a girlfriend that had a lazy eye I knew that joke but I knew First all, I knew a joke was coming because you had a,

2:11:38 So I've got to try and keep my brain intact so I can try and be funny like you. Look at you. different theories with with boxers for instance boxers will spar for twice a week, three times a week, how come a normal person would be knocked out and you didn't? He didn't miss. He hit you with a flying knee But at the same time Like people listen to that and they go, well, of course he got hurt.

2:13:55 if I get hit one more time I'm going to go down. I haven't watched the fight yet. I can taste it. want to win to be for them to be proud to have their logo on my shorts and then when you sucks yeah but it doesn't that I'm not only going to beat Cyrus That's his name. Okay. But Cyrus, it's a goddamn Australian accent. that? But Cyrus, it's a Australian accent.

2:16:37 I'll be in your country next month. Muay Thai rules. A lot of spinning back kicks, the body, wheel kicks. Yeah, he's an interesting guy. Bare-knuckle boxing with headbutts. Do they just give you We're done. But how many fights does he do like that? But when I got off his Facebook, and then people going, what? and you're not fighting like a guy who's over the hill you're fighting like a cautious smart

2:19:21 Yeah. I don't know. a lot of tacos do you avoid anything those are good I'm definitely, but I don't drink. late 20s early early 30s. Yeah. He's a guy who does I wonder if he sees Fedor Even Shane Mosley, Shane Mosley. Machida. That was the Steven Seagal. back when I was in my early... was the beautiful face... It's interesting because the ties use the teep to the face,

2:23:56 Yes. It was nuts. one of the trainers there, one of the fighters. There we go. They go, hey. It's perfect. So your fight for Cage Muay Thai, And then a gentleman, Martin Hogan in Ireland, and they were both in the crowd so it's just continuous violence. I honestly believe that, especially in MMA, especially for a striker, right, The grappler has to figure out how to get a hold of him, how to get him to ground i think once you've done that it's the guy on the grounds business try to get back up oh that's fucking boring you're gay you like we're fucking

2:28:15 improvements and advances them from your back. two minutes. Like Randy Couture was the master at that, at holding guys up against the cage. But I think in doing so, you water down the art a little bit, Yes. and then they had the judges table by inches and it flopped onto the desk and if it had been a little bit to the left he would have Didn't he fall over the ring once?

2:31:29 and a different arena. you're going to be um completely dominated or So it's not like a complete – it's still fingerless. But the argument is that, you know, you're saying you wouldn't want to break your hands on someone's forehead, the argument is that you could throw a shin kick with full power. because there's not a lot of room for error. You might shatter your hand

2:34:05 with full force open hand slaps you definitely But then you'd have a lot of eye pokes. Yeah. But at the same time, if you wear boxing gloves in the cage, but that's also very light, that looks like a bag glove? I've had so many fights with gloves and then I can't execute the same game plan Right. just eliminate the ground so those strikers have a platform

2:37:13 don't they do that in thailand they do like one where they wrap the hands they are like big crazy a similar sort of style, underneath. into arena and i see a cage and it's like, oh, someone's going to get fucked up tonight. about the world series of fighting which has some really good fighters in it the world series of one of these other organizations like Jake Shields or John Fitch, and they'll build up, win a few fights over there, and maybe they can come back to the UFC. A lot of times they'll go to World Series of Fighting, one of these other organizations like Jake Shields or John Fitch,

2:39:15 He fought Arlovsky in World Series of Fighting. and then it's Australia too, that it's like two worms. promotion was it had any brains they'd steal everything that i'm doing in the ufc and try Between us, yeah, I don't know. Even gentlemen such as Diego Sanchez. Elbow strikes, Gustafsson for another example. ufc do you see holes in their their style or do when you watch mma doesn't even have to be ufc

2:43:02 And also you have to consider the fact they're avoiding takedowns Learn some wrestling. and being in the NOS commercials and the Ronda Rousey. Hendrix. And then every time we spar, I replicate Johnny's sparring style. our training session and the fight so by the time i went back to australia Was that the style that you were? for both jabs, they were,

2:46:03 yeah, But I think if I had stayed there for a little bit longer or closer to the fight, Do you think that coming into that fight, maybe he had that in his head? People coming up morning, taking photos. wait to get a photo with him so he's and then we've got it every time we went somewhere it Oh, no. And he has these good friends that are his bodyguards that stand around him the whole time

2:49:10 If the camera goes and we've got a problem. And all you hear is GSP, GSP just a fraction to the back gate Yeah, I don't have anybody an international superstar more famous than me. Yeah, I would think Montreal would be probably a little bit more crazy. And then even the websites. Yeah, he's still a man. always go to the into the octagon with his guillen and you know the whole deal he's uh he's a really

2:52:26 And he's like, oh, okay, there's your photo. They might have had a few drinks And he doesn't change, though. He's very open-minded, too. Yeah, alcohol is the worst drug in the world. Chuck Liddell used to get guys Donald Cerrone was telling me, some guy on the podcast, Yes, so about YouTube. so serious well they also think we're somehow upset at each other or something it was just for

2:55:26 To me, it was just fun. Yeah, that's like opening yourself up to the retards of the world like hey retards. How do you feel? How do you put up with it If he was following me bro Please shut the fuck up like a normal person wrote it and you just read it like if you wrote a sentence or if he wrote a and they probably don't know what the fuck they're doing,

2:57:37 He got shot in the head when he was two. How many of those people are out of their fucking mind? It's at least three million at least not on my watch the world of comments. You're a fucking idiot That motherfucker wins fights in the third round. he's so crazy he's chasing Martin Kampman down there's a bunch of we have a culture what you're saying that I'm unarmed

3:01:11 It's a real humility tap out It was either Mr. Kim or sir. but I think you lose something Tremendous amount of respect that's involved in it because because it's not that popular and because it's not mainstream It's like they're there to see Muay Thai. they know more than the fighter knows it's overwhelming yeah i'm hoping that the Mate, thank you again.

3:03:58 Let's do it. you come back we'll make sure probably try to get you in before too so people should be a lot of fun I'll let you guys know about it Bye-bye.