Joe Rogan Experience #716 — Daniele Bolelli Transcript

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0:00 And boom, Daniele Bolelli, my friend. Your choice of words is excellent. What are you talking about? I'm like, no, perfect. I had the same thing. it's going away. It's a tech. This fucking guy with this fucking thing with the fucking. I don't... sometimes you need that micro-mental break to just see, I'm still working on it. And then you see people take a deep breath,

3:43 It's a flowing, beautiful language. In fact, it's great for... You know, English language is so poetic. It's a flowing, beautiful language. said 10 000 words to really say something that could have been said in five but you know it's There's no poetry to it. Because the Italian attention span seems to be much longer. Certainly when I was growing up, there was clearly more attention spent.

5:54 It's not like America where you're in and out in 40 minutes. way it's nice i like it you know that's a good feeling where you just we are just talking because But when you're like, hey, man, everything good? It's like, OK, well, hi. I don't know how we got that way, So it's 12.15, motherfucker, I'm not having fun yet. what are you doing right now? Are you enjoying what you're doing right now? Is this what you

8:25 But when you're in the moment and you're occupied in something, whether you're creating something or whether you're writing something, whatever you're doing, like those are the moments where people feel fulfilled and happy. whether it's a martial arts class or a yoga class, I noticed when I finally had a chance to start rolling again the last month or two it felt so fucking good i was just like oh my

10:11 You got rid of this heavy load that you're carrying. it's just so difficult yeah and then when when you reach the top of that hill you have a milestone Sure. And it's almost cleansing in a way. that is especially for men the primary reason why a lot of men exhibit like really pathetic behavior because they are trying so hard to get and it was a billboard that some poor fool had put up,

13:15 That's not the point. tough strong macho asshole who's also kind of doesn't care about anybody's feelings and is I'm the man. Toxic masculinity. that are beautiful and to side like that's weak shit get laid I was just like, if we hang out, I hang out because I'm happy to. and just not constantly acting because you're trying to impress somebody about it. There's an intangible quality to a needy person

17:12 you have to say all the right things. and strategies like opening, real. That's what's crazy about it. because the guy tricked you with all this strategy. You know what they say? It's hard to have personal sovereignty. your your behavior alters it gets weird my solution to that it's illegal in 49 and a half get laid with hot women, it will make your life better.

20:23 They gangrene. What else is wrong with this thing? They have money. Yeah, I've met girls that have done that, that have actually like had like wealthy men that they've had sex with. Yeah. Like, how's that work? I have friends and these women that they're dating isn't it easier to just pay for a cold girl go there each time but then but then you know

23:52 sexual assault actual real sexual assault is horrific it's disgusting it's fucked up and you There's no forcing. But as soon as there's penetration, now that's fine. Yeah, but as soon as penetration Sure, that's right. That is rape. Whatever happened to fucking up? Yeah, the guy got raped. That's where it all turns into an actual crime or an actual negative interaction or a verifiable bona fide assault.

27:17 was um just passed out drunk and there was two guys at a party were clearly just moving in in And it's not, again, the one where everybody's drunk and I do believe I've seen studies about it goofy looking dude you can pay that girl and she'll fuck you and the weight of that exchange He's a master writer. What is it? I read the book. And the other dude is like, well, good thing I have money then.

30:23 sex work I find it hilarious when Yes. down there's people saying both classic the statistics clearly show that it increases no It's nice. I know. Perfect. I'm nice to you. you you got a bunch of money you're nice to me I find it hilarious. That helps. It was a free love generation. Fuck yeah. They started wearing bandanas and bell bottoms 20 years before that was the height of all that freaky shit. Yep.

35:12 They gave everybody Coke. trying to find its equilibrium and find its harmonious vibration to get back to where Yeah. It's such a, like 10 years ago was 2005. very little difference between today and 2005. Big time. Or they're like, oh, thank God for the 60s. They never got it. That must have been terrifying for the old guard, the people that were around.

37:52 Serious? When I was a kid, like you would go to Dunkin' Donuts and get coffee. You would read the New York Times. the dude always had a BMW or a Saab or something like that. but they wanted to be worldly. He would read the Times. of like what's actually going on on the planet. which was even further removed from some of the news, Wow. And get all excited.

41:16 But football was funny because there's this story that late 1800s, there's no more frontier. So they would send them to all the Ivy League school that were beginning to pop up up but they felt like yeah you read books you don't kill anybody i don't know about your masculinity they had the top football programs. Which totally makes sense. to the brothel

43:16 They had nothing to do. So then the league goes, There were some that were really insane. Yeah, seriously. Or you can get good eyesight, hand-eye coordination. That is funny how the stereotypes change over time because like early, you had Thad Russell on the show, like in his book. Big time. Dagestan, a lot of Dagestan people and a fucking completely disproportionate amount of elite

45:48 It's exactly what it is. It's like someone just waiting for someone to say some shit because you've just been dealing bottled up. Just go through your entire life, I didn't grow up in the roughest environment, but it definitely was not upper class, rich, Not formally. But the normal thing was guys who do a lot of illegal stuff, of what you do with those guys.

49:05 Yeah. rule of the game that if you play it right you can have very mellow pleasant interactions yeah but people who don't have that experience that i see them interact with like don't say that you And then all of a sudden, these people are completely intertwined in their life. And they started demanding money, and they knew where he lived, He's doing this movie.

50:38 Yeah, there was a lot of weirdness in that movie. like that's a, tough guys or. but if you step outside of it yeah you're fucked yeah and it's but it's the same thing is like down to throwing down but you don't volunteer it you're not this macho guy who's like trying to get around dogs and you panic and you run, they'll and make noise and they're like alright fuck this

52:45 He goes, I was probably like ended up in the middle Tough guys. gonna do a push and there's gonna and then they're gonna throw down and i remember i was talking with Maybe you guys have nothing better to do. this other thing. Fuck this. I don't feel like it. That's it. Oh, Jesus Christ. I wonder if that's where, like, cause a lot of the most heinous atrocities that human

55:58 that when you get a bunch of men together and a bunch of men on the other side, we just but you remember, because it's the other guy started it. You're signing a contract that you will be in conflict with them like a jiu-jitsu match or a kickboxing match these two wacky families killed each other back and forth for years they just couldn't resolve it

58:07 They are itching for a chance for revenge. Then it becomes a lot. It's because you want to make sure you don't fight World War III Yep. I dig it from so many different angles. atrocity, massacre, to live a good life That's really the big events, though. the entire country like the history of this country is war and then you go back to europe Fucking horrific.

1:01:45 the episodes i'm preparing for history on fire i'm like oh great it's another beheading of this is history. In fact, in most of our lives, whose precedent is most mildly important at most. And See, the worst thing that can happen is someone kills you or kills your loved ones. So I guess embrace our inner Game of Thrones and just deal with it. You might be a cunt.

1:04:25 I don't understand you. It really does. Assuming that there are at least three women there. okay, the odds of us killing They start, yeah. It's a number thing, right? Adam and Eve never did anything to each other. And we had to work together. You know those weird knobs Beat each other to death Look. He's like... Yeah, it's sped up. Giraffes Fighting Giraffe Battles.

1:08:08 The previous ones were in this stand side to side, walk each other, And they use their head to the body. the zoo you would never imagine this takes place no because one of the cool things about giraffes It's exactly what this is. out of the rut is to find bachelor groups. Let's go wander through the countryside. I survive. He went bow hunting, and he missed this deer.

1:10:41 The hole in the shoulder had healed up, just sealed itself. That goes back to my point. At most. resource with those teeth. Asshole first. No way. the animal's habitat for farming and killed a large number of wolves that lived there. It also allowed coyotes to spread from the prairies and the white farmers brought dogs into the region. Not small at all. No.

1:14:00 big. Yeah. It's fascinating to think how a species evolved in the first place. That's always what you wonder about evolution Playful. Like they had completely changed the point where their ears were no longer pointed. It's like how long it takes you to breed into successful. You might have a couple of years or something And then the climate changed changed it became this really lush

1:16:59 was dramatically different? They didn't know that until like really recently. I know. Just chewing them alive while they're in the net. what the hell are you doing on the ground that's just a bad idea don't you know how to put sticks I'm sitting on my porch, enjoying my coffee, and I see a dove, or some sort of a bird, maybe it was a dove, sitting on the fence.

1:20:15 And then I see that right next to it, like maybe 10 feet away, there's this hawk that you see this eagle just suddenly see something and buffs up like ready for the fight and next Yeah. meat speaking of which after seeing your instagram picture of your elk dinner i'm like i want in i'm I'll teach you how to cook it too. But it's really delicious too, man.

1:22:53 And that's it. South Dakota? They had like some It's a totally different story. I know. Jamie? I was like, you inbreds. It's not night, just It's 11 p.m. Oh. You can't see the other one. I was like, you inbreds. Yeah. I guess it's also probably because they have a lot of food up there exactly like what the dinosaurs are like it's fascinating when they find more and more evidence

1:25:43 I want to get that head, but that fucking dude with the camera. dude with the camera he's thinking about it look at his little baby steps When I see things like this, when I see, like, raptors, It's what we did. Yeah. I'm coming back home. And I don't know. I never know because whatever the other thing was decided, okay, you're fucking crazier If they want you, they come after you, but they are not going to growl.

1:28:37 This fucking crazy, mangy-looking, creepy animal. They're pretty big. It's probably like chewing a shoe. In Colorado, they're pretty... But there needs to be some sort of a balance. know like michigan or something like that where they have a lot of them. It tastes like pork loin. I'm getting nature school today. like I said, there's something about the predators

1:31:38 because it's just, even if it wasn't so common, Where I took like... There's like from one side to the car, the other in the domesticated species tend to be dumber tend to be a lot like oh somebody's gonna bring me food The first time I saw a coyote was in Burbank in 1994 when I first moved here. that they I figured if you lived in the rural areas you'd encounter them but I didn't know that they... I figured if you lived in the rural areas, you'd encounter them, but I didn't realize that they

1:34:20 I can't believe I'm seeing this. After a while, That can be a good idea. nothing really yeah i watched him hop the fence with the chicken in his mouth. I was like, wow. and they get sick but an egg- Got you ready for a new piece of information. and it becomes a chicken I have no males. These chickens, they lay these eggs whether you like them or not.

1:36:53 but this coyote had figured out how to tip it over Just leapt over it like it was nothing. In the wild, the mountain lion, noise and smacking sticks against the There was some lady got eaten by a mountain lion while hiking. for the most part but it is weird that we just not only do we want to help them like they're They're so stupid. You run into traffic. It's not a cat that needs to be around

1:39:10 The trees, everything. Apparently, they're like, I mean, the bears in Big Bear are not this huge. like do i really want to do this at this time this this does not seem like the best plan in the world Of course. Why not? Right. And it's like, there's a beauty to some mellow, peaceful stuff, Yeah. But a killer whale is way cooler than a regular whale.

1:42:06 If it wasn't for those 57 reasons. I wonder how often that takes place And so there's that element of excitement It's like, even if it's not a fight, feeding lions or Christians right that's what that was all about it's like to see the Roman emperors, to kind of look cool and popular a lot of people in Rome That means that among other things And that lion just finished feeding on a Christian.

1:45:38 the smoking guns that say, yeah, this is what happened. But I remember seeing it in enough Yeah, there's a lot of strange stuff going on. It's crazy that they got to the point where they were entertaining themselves by bringing in gigantic predators. And then rapid. And the Roman, the guys were setting up the games. Because the story about the gladiators

1:48:41 hey, how about instead of sacrificing me, And the other one got to walk home alive. That could be. Well, we always point to the decadence of the Roman Empire Every time I go, there are more scooters. It's the same stuff as the Roman Empire, right? weak until eventually the other motherfucker war machine, but that's a sucky life, hate your guts because it's like fuck you you're needlessly making my life hard so it's like that

1:52:02 He lived in many different countries. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's, I wonder if that's the only way to create someone or to engineer the life of a human being that has character. I wasn't thinking, oh, this difficult thing will make me a real interesting man when I grow up, people beat me up in the gym, but nobody beat me up in the street. Nobody robbed me. I didn't get shot or stabbed, but I developed character in a way that's similar to what someone would probably

1:54:17 You know, combat sports are great because they do teach you toughness, but they're still within a relatively protected environment. you are just all about, because then now you end up with people who are very pleasant, and my animals have zero. love, steady food and love. And in doing that, you quote unquote domesticate them, right? And But the reality is what you've become is a domesticated person.

1:56:46 Wild animals. Yes, I tend to enjoy the same thing. conversation without what it takes to instead step up and be extra assertive and extra tough You don't even have the option not to be nice because you don't know how. You don't know what it takes to instead step up doesn't have to be that way and And that supermarkets are in many ways a lot like serving a cat a bowl of cat food every day.

1:59:06 in that way. it's like yeah yeah that doesn't know I know and it's a lot of this stuff make human history, there's always the guys from over the hill who are going to come up and slaughter You know, they're going to buy a poncho, you know, whereas before they were going to come Really? It's sword time. And, you know, it's axe time, it's sword time.

2:01:34 Stop. Yeah. It's just, it didn't happen that often because there were a few people, so they don't run into each other that much. But clearly, I mean, we do have evidence that people think when there's a lot of resources and there's plenty of women to fuck lines of male paternity. Awful, awful pedophilia they into little kids one day from now on. There's human stuff there.

2:05:14 what is that we can point. What is possible now? I firmly believe now is the best time ever. I mean, I think we're You know, 20 people on an island with three girls, 17 men. Yeah. That can go both What a fucking cluster. That's a shitty deal right there. a nap? Oh, I guess like baby stuff. Up on Friday after Beijing announces plans to change family

2:07:52 You get fucked up. What is wrong with you? And even then, why? It's a human being. And that goes back like to me even the most interesting people are the ones that have both that have you know the Jesus, I'm out of here in three seconds. and there's no one interesting to draw from there's no one to find that you can relate And I think until the internet came around, that was the biggest issue in children growing up.

2:11:28 and where you are raised, but you get access. Unless you were black. all the advertisers, all the programmers thought, Yeah. Of course. are the same people that are going to download a lot of podcasts. right like you might you know you might watch something that's totally squeaky clean and the If you show any kind of nudity automatically is the highest possible

2:14:15 Vincent Gallo. chick chloe's i don't know how the fuck you say her name she's a very good actress excellent he was like this guy that was like this go-to guy. look, where you could see, like, if she dropped down to her knees Yeah, that's. Because even if you're gay, you want it sucked by a guy. totally consensual we're not watching rape right we're watching a totally consensual sex act in a

2:17:07 So we want all the hotel chains in Utah And they define what people say and what people do are completely different things sometimes. who you are. As long as you're not killing people, as long as you're not doing anything horrible to are. This is what you like. This is what realizing what it is that you are, and about their perceptions they might all be into the same thing exactly you know exactly there's

2:19:26 being about that do you feel extra freedom because you have podcasts and because you can you can Because, A, students like me which if they don't like them that means oh you must be too easy or too something or so the fact I don't understand. if you were on the same staff, you'd get along great. of what you're supposed to fit in, It's like when everybody else gets to accept something that maybe they will.

2:22:25 There's a lot less flexibility and allowing people to kind of run the show as they like At least, obviously, I'm not in school, but from people that are reporting on it and professors that I've interviewed. Nobody gets pissed off. I mean, it must be based on something. where the fuck's all this shit happening? But I think the sheer numbers of human beings that

2:25:03 Whereas if you really talk about what a lot of Not that it makes much difference because it's the same thing, probably 99% of them, That tells me that you're so locked in a tower out there that you have no idea what's... But that tells you how insulated that world is where it's about what's in the footnote on page 357 of the monograph that has been read by four people they may know about.

2:27:02 And they may have not been quite the same level of researchers, but they were really good storytellers. And they may have not been quite the same level of researchers, it. Of course you need that skill, because yeah that's a one what a lot of people say about neil degrasse tyson as well that he's uh guy sure you need it has that But it cannot be the only one.

2:29:03 their attention is you intrigue them. Isn't that the whole point? and then understand the parallels of what's going on in the current time. other day and I told you they're on scooters. because over the years, people have gotten heavier and heavier. The average two people, you get two people together, you know, maybe 400 pounds for two people. once on my podcast. It's so

2:31:52 about how you know they keep trying to get pregnant and she's not getting pregnant and you keep going like when they told me that i'm like oh my god my brain i cannot get that out of my Yeah, I think you've seen too much. That's what I was thinking it was going to be. Get your scooter and chase them around the park? so allow myself one thing, like a piece of, I like this chili mango, you know, mangoes with chili

2:34:17 And yet it's so bad for you. You pop the top and you get that corn syrup. And I think that's the primary issue that people have when it comes to weight loss sugars and and simple sugars and carbohydrates Skinny. It's like- So something is going on. but clearly something has been done different in the way they have been. They've bred out all the juiciness because they don't last.

2:36:56 The last three weeks from now, it's going to look just as new. Exactly. If we get to a point someday, I'm hoping that with all these, this is new emphasis on craft restaurants and craft breweries and craft. It's great. No, I'm all for people having choices. recently that I thought was really interesting is that McDonald's is apparently hurting like really badly and that their profits are down radically from like 20 years ago.

2:39:33 And then the idea is like, have you been to LAX recently? They're not chains. which used to be like you'd get chilies, you'd get like Applebee's. And the menu was going to vary between two and six dollars. I think that's a great idea. you can eat delicious meals that and i mean you like to cook i've done times where like i'll cook having at least to some degree

2:42:24 it looked like a skyscraper even on top of like four-story buildings or something contact with the food that you end up eating, I think that would be awesome. about picking a cucumber that you grew, chopping it up, And you're like, ah, there's a story behind it. Like, even if you know what you're doing. And I was like, I never even thought about that.

2:45:47 the line we lost the plot yeah growing a bunch of shit we don't need that seemed like a really It's where things get really What do you got there? Because it takes – I was doing the math the other day just because I was bored. while I do another thing and now I can get to it. But I basically prepare eight episodes. So I would But until then, by delivering episodes on a relatively often schedule, I can also hook up more people.

2:48:15 It's everything I wanted that I picture in my mind is coming on. And then I was like, you know what? Especially, definitely not at the beginning, but in general. So do you do it on an outline? Right. notes and like oh that's where i need to go next but then you deliver it in a more natural style right and so that's yeah so i'll write a good chunk of notes but then of course you don't read

2:49:56 They thought that I really. You're not a poser. There are ties. to eat and they said i don't know what do you say i was thinking of making some salmon and they're They can't put two and two together? And no one says salmon. So you read every single damn letter. Yeah. as opposed to, like, the Italian, and who knows if they are really true It's like, this is boring as hell.

2:53:14 That's what it is. even just read the Declaration of Independence, and all those combined, really read in english and when i finally got to read them in english i'm like well that's another because it's also a number it's a numerical language like the letter a is the number one know what that guy said. You are, this translation sound better, so I'll go with that one, but you

2:56:07 Yeah, aren't around anymore because this is a spot. to understand how we got here, And it's this guy. You can find out what this guy was eating 5,000 that you can find something like that preserved History on Fire, two episodes are available this week we'll be back next week. Till then, see you soon. Bye-bye.