Joe Rogan Experience #719 — Josh Olin Transcript

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0:00 Boom, and we're live. Joshua, how are you? There's no... The only real heat is you like get in trouble. Yeah, thank you for picking up on that but this idea that in the privacy of your own home, that your words should be, they should be gone over with a fine tooth comb by the entire world. I don't care if you fuck them. social justice warrior or whatever,

2:45 take this guy down and, I mean, right? and having controversial opinions and you know me being a I know what to expect from Westboro Baptist Church. donald sterling he had this huge long history of being like racially weird and and and questionable statements. And so for those public statements or for it to get out like a public statement We caught him.

6:16 I mean, what is everybody upset about? It's along the same lines. and public discourse. And so in a way way, I almost like empathize with them to try to bring some common sense And maybe, maybe all of that was true. The company that I worked for is called Turtle Rock Studios. 10 AM and we leave at like 7 PM because we're usually up until really late in the, late in

9:29 do this all the time so i was like whatever um and then so uh maybe i jump in the shower and i get out And then 45 minutes later, I still haven't even left my apartment to go into the studio yet. 45 minutes later, my email stops working. And I'm like, oh, like, I'm not dumb, not stupid. I'm Was that wrong? And I would have tweeted, And that's what Twitter is.

12:18 Because that green light, that Josh Owens, a piece of shit, that motherfucker, he supported Donald Sterling? but they've always been here. and understand, we need to identify what it is, understand why it's wrong and the kind of damage It's why that is so successful because those appeal to the emotional centers of our brain instead of the cognitive centers of our brain.

13:51 And so as a social psychologist, I self-prescribe myself to that. I didn't go to school for this, Now I look back at it and I think, do believe this and I think that what we're experiencing now is people when That guy could be shit in his pants as he wrote it. Like, should I consider your opinion? you're a reasonable, intelligent guy. We're having a wonderful conversation and you're normal. Okay.

16:31 And we lose the context. that's what we've all done. You haven't really earned it, right? is that when someone says something really stupid, Like ultimately it's way better. And so you just expand that out to the whole world. Yeah. Just like, why did you write that? That's their life context, but that's their shit. just that, right? them in the face like a hundred lashes it's just it's nonsense it's it's it's a fool's endeavor

21:30 they, they feel like they've claimed victory, but there's no victory there. You know, you went on to get a better job. They went on to get fucked over the whole thing turned into a big shit fest and a different perspective with as many people as I can like one, like some who are either super religious or some who are super atheist like how you don't evolve unless you debate, unless you have a conversation, right? So he's

23:48 But I call that almost like, if that's the case, then you kind of forfeit the right to be mad at need to let that person into your life. And if you read some ridiculous, inflammatory, stupid And they're trying to create places where you can't say things that they might think are offensive. Yeah. You run that risk with idiots. If you look at what you wrote, firing someone for that is not a reasonable reaction.

26:48 Is that really the world you would want to be in? if there's um in gaming another big issue right now is feminism and and gamergate and um and so a sexist because I opposed one point of her platform and now suddenly I'm an even just for one second and you say something be spoken to reasonably to understand that, like, you know, you need, you need to be more open

29:47 Like there was this woman that was doing something for Google ideas or I forget what the exact thing was, picked a team and you're fighting for that team like the dolphins versus the 49ers? Because that's You're instantly crazy. There's a lot of guys who are shitheads. Especially in issues of equality. fucking incredible, amazing thing. And I think there's a lot of men that I think are disgusting.

32:29 I don't believe that a retweet should be an endorsement And then I went to her Twitter page and checked her out. I completely agree. they still get them you know i mean if and they're and they're not just it's not just i'm gonna kill But this whole fucking battle, like at the root of it all, and the women should have especially when you talk about so many of these people just because, right?

35:28 as linebackers, do you know how Everybody would just shoot straight for the chick and run her over. That's it. How much time do you spend focusing on these ideas? about the contribution that's being made. And this woman does this interview or does this look, But her question's preposterous. than anybody else so this idea that like you're supposed to pay women the same amount that you

39:19 right. But the argument that I heard was, was incomplete, right? Um, how about the number of this argument either, because there's no, again, there's no reason that the other side needs to and agents and managers. what and why should you be getting paid more but the reality is you're going to have a really hard about it and she had some response you know to you know why she did it and you know that

42:12 conversations about it and we're staring it in the face, cause it is an ugly issue. It's a scary I think that's a really important point of it, I mean, wanting to make people learn that that's not the way you get your way or that's not the way that you make a point is by bringing someone else down. I'd say something else. But I'm doing five other things at the same time.

44:37 Yeah, that came back, and he can't get it onto his Facebook And they want you to, you know, promote your show and live tweet your show. show and you're like dude it's me like what like this is you're talking to me right now you're not Who are you then right because you're not you're not who you are you're you're a slave you're a slave of the system the cliched

46:45 whatever outlets or somebody did well ever everyone ended up saying what i said i was ahead of the i was trying to get some money Where it's like, where you just don't know how, Right now because it's it's a living breathing incarnation of reality TV It's just fun silliness until it gets down to whatever fucking corporate criminals they're actually going to put into the position of actually running the country.

49:12 They're the ones who everybody is kind of queuing It used to be that way. So that's real journalism. Where are we at? one of my friends, take it out of context, and get me fired for that? But that's the world we it's beautiful that they operate in this way this newfound ability this Everyone knows her story. And she went to sleep, woke up in Africa, fired,

53:15 Say it again? Yeah. She probably popped an Ambien. And Twitter, you know, it doesn't matter if you don't agree with what she said. I can't remember her name, but she took a picture in front of she was at like the Arlington Cemetery or something. that's what she thought was funny. It's her shtick is she just does the opposite thing that signs say. that's what it is when the cease of the line thing happened there's a new york times article

56:16 So many fucking people that were angry at me. What was the article? I mean, this is his... Yeah, exactly. And we get it through the feedback loop of seeing someone else paying for something that you didn't agree with or that you didn't like. connectivity where all these people that have never thought about the idea of projecting these about going to iraq or getting shot down in Iraq. It's probably incredibly similar.

59:24 I think we're a decade or two at most. When that starts happening, this is all going to be bullshit. I'm going to be Well, they didn't have guns. Well, maybe not. Yeah. Like, when a caterpillar creates a cocoon, it doesn't know what the fuck it's doing. biggest best thing the newest latest greatest and the companies have to keep up so they're all all these people communicating,

1:03:41 Maybe you say, I appreciate the amount of effort that person's done, but I don't want to work 12 hours a day. I don't think that's smart. I would rather surf. I think surfing's the way to go. I mean, I think I have 80 years on this planet, if I'm lucky. I want to enjoy them in as richly fulfilling a way as possible. create a system that for distributing that equally and freely

1:05:01 You want to have a nice home. You want to create a book. You want to, you know, you want to put together a project that ultimately reaches a lot of people. Like when you're creating a game. A teacher isn't doing what she does for the money. There's always going to be some that do. Transition from living as apes, trying to compete against the other apes in order to fuck and make babies, and then you get eaten by a jaguar, to live in an apartment in Los Angeles in 2015 and finding out that environment changing, when you juxtapose that with our physical transition, boy, we're not much fucking different than we were a thousand years ago.

1:07:40 What what would they do would they carry on where they keep going? That's you. Right. I'm very pessimistic when it comes, or very cynical when it comes to the idea of alien That's probably our future. We're becoming more and more slender. you need to put a little fucking you know little rubbing alcohol on his little ouchy and he's fine The vast majority are just going to be along for the ride for that.

1:11:42 And I think ultimately that's what's going to happen to the entire species. um it's a it's a global issue and and the sooner that we can get on board on a global agenda but It's way less. Critical thinking is not an easy thing to do. There's no living through that. have a tough time estimating things. They have a tough time thinking outside of their bubble,

1:14:34 to what we were talking about today, I think that a lot of, a lot of people have a tough time from Yahoo from the UK fuck i'm fried i need to go to bed right now oh Or I'll watch documentaries on hypernovas or something like that. And they would try to figure out what the fuck was going on. And they happen all the time. It's all gone. yeah he does awesome youtube videos he he takes this incredibly difficult science and communicates

1:17:37 We have these paintings of what the Milky Way galaxy looks like. No. They were talking about the relative size of supermassive black holes and that every galaxy has a supermassive black hole that's one half of 1% of the mass of the galaxy. I mean, we still have these goddamn monkey bodies. around like i was terrified i mean that's. I can't just go somewhere and borrow someone's phone and call my wife and go, hey, I left my phone at home.

1:21:14 what you don't see, the side of it you don't see, right? The hundred shots that it took that's the one that, that it doesn't even look, it hardly looks like them anymore. And now we're And they have access to this dopamine drip, this endorphin drip in their brain that generations before never had that kind of access to. we don't know. We won't know for a long time until we look back on it and go, that was,

1:23:38 These children are guinea pigs. at the risks versus rewards of each decision and debated amongst each other and seek advice from what we're doing right now is totally natural. I really do. I mean, I don't know what we can do about it other than communicate our concerns about the potential downfalls of this behavior and this kind of thing. Yeah. Right.

1:27:09 um it it got it got like a lot because so a lot of media outlets you you um i i linked you to the while the company makes all the wrong moves. I had to, you know, make sure that... the guy who fired you but they were funding the studio's development. but they couldn't. let's, let's, um, you know, let's implement his good ideas. That was the other thing that they

1:30:16 I do like my new job better. I get, I get to, I get to make, um, and I get to make. Commander Keen. let's build this thing back up. And we're going to start with a new IP. And that new IP is called IP, intellectual property. That was the big one. Explain that to me. and the game was no longer the next big thing, changing instead of just polishing something up sticking with what you had

1:33:17 implementing new technologies, Yeah, and creatively, you could debate Was it good? Was it a good game? Did people enjoy it? that. Yeah. That kind of, it's, it's kind of impossible, right? I mean, it's, it's to have You know what that character was like? will reincarnate in video game form in the 90s. so that, So bombshell was a character. of Bombshell. What does she look like now? So now

1:36:41 Yeah. Just go to bombshell.com because we actually bought this domain away from, it used to be Who what she's been through and and and like way very multifaceted yeah, this works, but what makes and so now she's talking about her like she's real oh it's kind of disturbing me dude she to us she It was John Romero after he left id Software. And I feel like we didn't, we don't want our artists walking on eggshells, worried about,

1:39:29 right? Wait till this fucking podcast goes live. Yeah, we'll make sure you don't shut down our YouTube videos cuz that's what happens as what they do is you're an intellectual You'll never. Go full screen. I'm a little preoccupied right now. Why is it freezing? It's fine. It's top down, yeah. And this is a standard Xbox-type controller? No. first person or third person shooter. Yeah,

1:42:54 in the first person. so now they're one giant boss. Well, it looks awesome. This is the kill sequence and this to me kind of defines her personality. How much does a good video game cost these days? But like yeah like you talk about even the full price games like the Call of Duty will be 60 bucks, right? Well, that game with how many hours you Oh, yeah.

1:45:28 Porn doesn't make that much money anymore, does it? That's where people most of the time buy porn. Yeah. trailer, but he's the lead antagonist. He's voiced by the voice of Duke Nukem, John St. John. So he's Are you guys gonna start doing things like oculus rift you guys gonna start? Samsung Gear. they're all bleeding edge they're all like you know to me they're all like at the same level

1:48:32 They're all making great strides. but it's like, And then it detected that I had ducked it down because it can have the motion tracking like the Wii remotes do. It's worth it. we make i'll bring you in i want you to see it i want you to tell us what you what you think well But they got really into playing this one game. Yeah. And then a lot of these treadmills, they operate on you pushing them

1:51:39 and have all that resistance because that was harder to move, I mean, if you're like, I know there's one that they're working on that I had heard is fucking terrifying. I've seen the clips, yeah. And you watch the YouTube videos, the Fine Brothers. some sort of not just goggles that you put on like like what they're doing with oculus rift Oh fuck. I almost don't want to speak because I'm so convinced that this is all happening.

1:54:36 Yeah, it's a little bit buggy, too, that they were playing like a glitchy build and whatnot. I don't even remember. No, really? I'm not going to get into the technical jargon. What does that mean? about a long time ago. It was always the thing., like one day we're going to have virtual reality. So how Netflix has changed the way like Hollywood and and how TV shows are made like I want to know

1:57:06 It might just be like a proof of concept sort of a thing. It's this big hole, big giant place. what the effects of it are yeah and you could you could walk around in the shire i mean you could be So it's a real-life third third person game where the guy has a, Right. That's what the Vive was too. You know, I mean, if your game, game I mean that would be so much more immersive if you had a game that required you to shoot at monsters with a shotgun and

1:59:54 The Microsoft thing. Oh. And then you're shooting at the alien in your own house at your own wall. Yeah, that's the other one tinkerbell oh my god yeah and again what does that do to a generation of mind blowing new inspiration and imagination We're in for some weird shit. It's a good time to be alive. It's amazing It's not like having trouble. As she's sitting there, there is a fucking solar system floating over her desk.

2:02:29 Wow. How are they doing that it's a lens that they're wearing correct me if wrong Jamie? I would assume. like where the sand is, Oh, yeah. of bullshit like they'll tell us eventually yeah but obviously this is some stuff stuff they're i remember no internet right now in, I got my first computer. Quake. It was Quake 2 at the time because they had developed a local area network. They had installed a LAN in their office and they had spent a shitload of time. They're

2:06:22 And then it got smaller and kept getting smaller. have all that perspective necessarily. And now I have little toddlers and nephews who are growing It's like us understanding what it was like before written language. I think it just seems normal to us, but I think when when history looks back at this era But ultimately, it's amazing. They form these little communities and they just shit in each other's mouths all day.

2:09:48 people are learning how to use social media and the internet and this newfound ability. They're Talking to as many people as I can and changing and influencing in a positive way So, you know, There's going to be these targets that exist, and they have occasionally gone after comedians and for the most part That's how you get back against that. you know, that you don't even mean

2:13:31 He's saying things that are outrageous that are not real. stab his son if he was gay because it's outrageous i don't think he was saying or it's as simple as You know, I mean, people have to look at what standup comedy is the same way they look at games we get that a lot with violence in video games there was a lot a lot of lawsuits actually We're a very immature industry, just like movies, just like music.

2:15:54 better people overall. Yeah. The release, you know, that there's this idea that watching something They deal with adjusting to society by playing call of duty or, or people on deployment in, the hell they had to go through here's why the debate is bullshit. your kid grows up to be a suicide bomber And if they have fucked up thoughts inside their head,

2:18:19 And, you know, the argument can be made for that sexually too. That's not, again, that all comes from a place, I think, just lack of understanding. I mean, is it even a percent or 2%? You're not getting your personality from playing bombshell. that you're removing an entire genre of game or genre of entertainment because of it. It's real simple. But people are fucked up because people are fucked up.

2:21:24 What is that movie he did where the people read the book and then he went out and shot. cancer these days. Well, everything causes Thank you. And everything on Twitter