Joe Rogan Experience #720 — Tait Fletcher & Andy Stumpf Transcript

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0:00 Gentlemen, Tate Fletcher and Andy Stump! I would bet if you search for that, it's probably taken. You're trying to do business. I was not thinking sexual at all. You put that vibe out anyway. It's true. I like him so much. Oh this fucking lady. She knew how to dig in there He's another guy that confirms everything that I've heard about Spain. for a bit, but he's been everywhere.

3:05 He's probably outlived his parents He can just go on blast because he's- I'm not saying he did. It doesn't even smell. But there's a certain amount of Yeah. that he replaces them all the time. There's also cleaner I think we can get for it. That's the endgame for cleaning. Yeah, I think I would have got like Chris Ryan another part of it is that he's

4:58 I would have liked to have taken that chance. get after it. They just never hit the gas. to have handcuffs on they like hold you captive with their feelings because they're so fucking ultra sensitive you gotta say What? Come on. What is that for? And he's like, well, no, target shooting. He says, oh disgusted. Yeah. Vietnam called. They want their gun back. What are you doing? Come on.

7:16 And that's unacceptable as a weapon. Yeah. That's true. They do. when you were in the 90s and all the hairspray onto the rooftops of these buildings because they had thatched roofs and human bodies they get see that and they're like no check you win that's the ethical argument for being ruthless right the I mean, that was the theory behind that. what would happen knowing what i know about the u.s military i would say there's likely some shreds

10:31 And he said that dates back, though, to Vietnam. about anything really yeah when you have the word terrorists that's that's an open-ended thing where the board just exponentially increased. Remember that World War II photo of the soldier that's kissing the girl with a sailor? We lose a couple of people, but basically we just go in there and we fuck everything up real quick and everybody quits.

12:20 well, now we need to be intrinsically laden into these different governments not necessarily horrible decisions but they're they're trained to the best of the ability that For us, I think we had a little bit of a benefit and it was less frustrating because it was targeted. I mean, we would have a list, a target list where, you know, track it like this is so open source too i mean it's yeah believe me the conspiracy theorists

14:39 Let's roll. Like he's right at the base. Give you something else. space commander and they have objectives Like Zahariri was one of them in Iraq. 99% of the time. Is there ever a time when you got a guy and it wasn't that guy? And everybody's fucking name in the city is Abu Smith. just got shackled up and put in some orange jumpsuits and stuffed into some holes.

17:39 became radicalized, and you know if you let him out, sure we've turned everybody that isn't if i'm in guantanamo bay for 14 years i'm for sure I might have a sniper attributed to that guy. live that way. So then say he does. The really responsible parties. Well, at the end of the line, it's you guys. who knows what the fuck they're doing to those guys

20:08 Like chemical waterboarding and all the stuff that they did to those guys. I would rather err on the side of killing somebody who hasn't done anything than allow somebody to go out there There's the lowest form of gnarly shit. How often is this taking place? Any ISIS-controlled state. Yeah, what do they do? They're throwing you off a uh any isis controlled they're throwing you off a

22:58 like coming where i come from is like i say what i say but like I'm sure I would have a different view walking in your that are halal that you know we would think of as being horrific that are totally permitted it's it's it's it's societal standards we're going into the countries that we're going into. And I think the only way that I can describe You can say what you want.

25:37 Yeah, but it's not our job to change... And when it comes to those people that hate you as much as you love your kids. Yeah, what is the solution to And regardless of what your X is, you're Christian, Catholic, whatever, you're an X person, there's somebody who's a Y person. it's out of being outnumbered. Maybe it's out of and you have a daughter if you looked in your neighbor's window you saw your neighbor

27:36 I'm not saying murder. It's very, very excitable. Because, As soon as you cross the line, you might be a problem. You'd be amazed at how many people in the military don't necessarily agree with the foreign policy of the United States of America. Like, it's after I spent the large majority of my adult life in the military, In Afghanistan, up in the Konar Valley, which is like inaccessible unless you're a fucking

30:00 You could say company. Who do you think is culpable for Guantanamo Bay terrorists being made? And they always have. And if you can have something like ISIS in 2015, if you can have – like we saw what happened when Libya was overthrown. insane. Yeah. stay this way but not not as americans we also assume it's like that everywhere else but but if Chaos, starvation, and then an army attacks.

32:39 the whole world changes overnight. I mean, in those ways, it's like, or is it chasing greed? But at the same time, you need to go and think about, I personally believe you need to think about the things that is causing and shaping the world. Because we went to Saudi Arabia. The first party was in Iraq. I mean, they learn just like we do. So what do they do?

35:34 I think people are opportunists. And this is like the argument about 9-11 being an inside job. I that you're dealing with massive incompetence than you're dealing with a massive conspiracy. I think you've got both incompetence, and then you've got people like Dick Cheney that are there being a lot of the chicken hawk stuff in a lot of that, you know,

37:29 afghanistan they since changed the names to i don't know what it is but i think it's both like Certainly. I don't think they have a lot of effect over the government either. I think that. No, they don't. I was going to ask you about that. I'm going to need to figure out how to get them But like, alright, what would you do? I mean, you look at a company like Tesla, you look at anything

39:40 Yeah, well, when you have There's also a problem that when a corporation does something fucked up, the people inside Right. But how does that happen? but if you saw not what you've seen and you 9-11 happened today what's the move what what do you do do I mean, the first target we hit in Iraq was the number one chem bio target in that country. It's like it's for the ventilation system.

42:45 could use modern day technology, and this is still what I think I personally would do today, is I It's because you're a goddamn American, Andy Stumpf. I'm like, fucking goddammit, Osama bin Laden is in Baghdad. occupy. You cannot occupy because assholes that are here and there and whatever, but there's going to be assets within those Yeah. like what is it that he's doing how difficult difficult is it to try to formulate correct intelligence about a country on the other

45:42 They're not very accurate. They can send a video and have metadata in that photo That was a lot of how they were communicating back and forth, Like, damn, dude. have drones up in the air with video cameras a lot of guys are good at them yeah yeah i mean you I mean, it may be, you know, maybe have a presence at a base nearby so you can have a staging point.

48:36 I mean, this whole Putin thing, it seems like there's a real animosity between Russia and the United States I mean, that's the ultimate, right? That's the epicenter of attention for terror in the world. Yeah With the Mujahideen And there was this puff piece on bin Laden and how important it is that bin Laden... See if we can find that, Jamie, if you can find it.

50:36 who was CIA trained them I mean it's like look this is the guy that was your number one guy over there. What is your thought on the Osama bin Laden, And they think that that's why there's no pictures of him. Yes. But if talking to people that were there, I have no reason to doubt the people that I have talked to that were physically present when it happened.

52:31 time to... Well, the theory comes about because why do you make his body disappear so nobody can ever see that? but a new shrine to whatever he stood for. Well, if you look at what's happened since then, it was effective. You know, he has relatives that have come to the U.S. I buy the, you know, maybe I'm an idiot, but I buy the, you know. Like, for sure.

55:00 Like the negotiation of the hostages in Iran during the Carter administration. They made sure those hostages were not released until after Reagan was president. Well, you say that, but have you seen Bernie Sanders' photo of him with Jesus? In my office Joe What did I say Hillary Clinton a Brian Stan president next that like you gotta have somebody That's what I'm saying

56:34 It's going to be stuck in my head Just death Teddy Roosevelt? George Bush Sr. would put a fucking knife in your ear. He was killing people. Yeah, he was legit head of the CIA. Yeah, that dude was badass. Numbers and killing people. You look at all these other leaders. Come on. Jogging? has been disproved Bill yeah but it's just like all that other stuff.

58:39 But eat only vegetables? Yeah, I mean, I know people that like their body processes fish better. I'm just stuck on Tate. I don't unwittingly get caught up in the net. Your mind fucked you. Southwest Airlines. Yeah. And that's why it's called Metabunk. Yes. Well, the best one is- Sure. you who was on the ground, Do you know what I mean? And they out her in Africa while she's undercover.

1:02:11 What does she do daily? Okay. He's in good shape. I like it when you do the one bicep and then the other. Oh, okay. Huge, huge way. He's got a bum leg. I did. For four years, I taught at the seminars, just basically spreading Greg's conceptual What is your feeling on CrossFit? short question. Uh, I do it. Yeah. The argument against it by guys who are very knowledgeable about strength

1:05:19 that kind of shit. That's power lifting, right? Well, Maxwell's problem with it has always been that it's a competition for exercise And if you're racing, if all three of us are doing – if I'm doing something by myself that has a time component to it Yeah. God, my mom's doing this, and now she dropped 50 pounds and she stopped taking insulin. All the best stuff is culty, right?

1:07:22 It's ignorant. And he's got the best goddamn attitude ever. I think he was paralyzed from that instant. Yeah. He's become a symbol of hope and connectedness in this whole other regime. No, he's the waist down. in the bottom of the bottle Airplanes are really good for flying, and it's just not a good idea to jump out of an airplane with me. Oh, I just won't. Airplanes are really good for flying,

1:10:02 Weren't you a jump instructor? I never knew that. We're going to focus on the air portion of that. Would you let him talk? Point your toes, Johnny Fly. And then I just really liked it. And he was like, you like to jump. You're just like wobbling around. Why? And never looked back. And I was afraid I was going to go out and just get smacked up into the wing or in the tail wing, which is having guys have hit their head and they're just done.

1:14:11 Do you have oxygen? Oh, yeah, and it gets worse. If you stall it, it'll spin. You get a couple hundred feet. I was afraid that the oxygen hose was going to wrap over it. Like I was – 18 plus miles, something like that a completely irrelevant measure of horizontal distance. that was set to go off at certain altitudes Camera one's calibrated,rated camera two let's go

1:17:22 Cause you know, it's important. I'm going for distance. I'm just going to keep waiting and keep waiting. You want to land one without a parachute? He's fine. Jesus fucking Christ. No, because you're going to be stuck in that soup. I think 18 or 19. I think I've seen this in the Batman movie. The Chinese are doing it already. and it would slow you down considerably.

1:19:32 I mean, there's a lot of impossible shit. That is like me jumping off the garage with Oh, Jesus. Well, right before they realized they were going to die, they had a smile on their face. How close do you have to get to the ground before it's too late? How many seconds is that from the ground? enjoyable like i do this stuff because i love it right and because it i mean it makes my head right

1:22:05 for myself but the closer you get when in the base jumping world for me like when i'm getting ready and it's not that i like doing dangerous stuff and don't get me wrong i love the sensation of You're narrowing your focus but I'm expanding the amount of information that I can process. Like it gives me more patience around my kids. It gives you this unbelievably

1:24:13 and like stick fight. on the edge, think if you spit and sawdust so for me right that that's the point where i have that experience but that you, the really interesting ones to me are the ones that they, that they have to get worked up. Like it grays you in areas that maybe – like empathy for me is one I struggle with. Not a problem. what I mean? That's, that's what's ingrained in who I am. Well, it's your spectrum is different

1:27:01 The empathy aspect of it completely makes sense because if you're used to operating in Or Martial Arts Nose this you get it fixed where you know humans adapt right Tate's on number five. Yeah, I mean, we've got 30 more. What is... he made a mechanism and I don't know the science behind That's my own science. It's scientific. How is that possible? I mean, that would kill you.

1:30:03 He's a radical. put it in a 200 milligram one Wait, tell me before we get off wingsuits, man. like 200 fucking milligrams? We'll test it. A very scientific study And you're like, I want to still serve, and how can I serve? A bunch of combat deployments, blown up a few times, close to breaching charges, And when I first got out, I got out the last day of June, 2013. And I remember driving off the base and I was like,

1:32:39 Like I was saying, we had very black and white metrics for success. It's just a little bit of the time. I don't give a shit. On the intranet, people go, they'll lose their shit. there's not anybody that hasn't seen shit that's so horrific and that is like, And I certainly believe in it enough to end other people's life for it. I've seen plenty of pacifists who fight for their life.

1:35:22 than ever before. At a certain point, people got to find their accountability, and it takes sometimes for the thing like go ahead. And Rashad grabbed the picture and crumpled it up right in his face. Yeah. Yeah. not being punched in the face. You will get one. Yeah, there's a lot of hobbyists, maybe. And you know what it is. And here's the thing, though.

1:38:23 There's a lot of people that don't deserve if you don't carry yourself like rolling against, yeah. That's an honorable thing. the work in and of himself become one of the black belts that you're talking about, the Yeah, how about when you get out of school and you find out that participating doesn't matter or in that way? But they wear the t-shirt, though, Tate.

1:40:29 fighting for the fans to put on a show is how you get fucking brain damage and they don't care at that time, that was a huge thing. When guys weren't And I was like, Jesus Christ, dude. Yeah, they hope you get crazy and come out and just move. even hit him and his whole fucking career you know i mean but this idea that you should do that That's the whole movie.

1:42:42 that I remember seeing live Anderson had such great footwork and he was so fluid that he would fall down like six times without Anderson touching him. A master. and it's just all face in the fence. those guys aren't even going to be relevant anymore. Like, you're going to see crazy, crazy, crazy shit. aspect of the sport. That's the answer to the...

1:44:48 I didn't. We're firemen. being coached by a real master Play this. Got it, coach. Flames don't intimidate us. I got fucking goosebumps. He's fucking screaming and he's got that scar across his face where he's been bottled. And when a guy walks out savagely, like, and you see that, like, with Evander Lee Silva never had a problem doing that. You can't do that.

1:47:34 Mexican supplements You get it from Mexico I think fighting is like the technical aspects of fighting are so unique in that you have You wonder why I think you guys are nuts. I think Andy might be a little humble. Sure. You know what I feel? Because I feel like it's like going swimming with the guys that are the best watermen in That's where it's going.

1:49:45 Let that shit go. People send me shit. I don't even know how they get it to me, but they've been sending that to me forever. People send me shit. He actually was talking with you about it, i think on like 705 or something like that So the only thing I could think of to do was to do something to try to help the guys who I got so the round missed my femur, but what an experience.

1:51:39 I could always push my foot down, but I couldn't lift my foot up. odd and when it first happened I'd be distracted during the daytime, and then I would lay down at nighttime to try to go to sleep, Viagra, probably that last blue one. So I'd fist the bottle of Captain Morgan every night. the day we were living in Virginia Beach and my wife asked me a very simple math question

1:53:53 of neuropathic pain control. So it took me about another six. I mean, I don't even remember. And some of it works its way out over time. So because there's retained ferrous metal in my body, So I was like. That sounds awesome. ball in your ass? So I left it. Yes and Not by any malicious intent of anybody, but I was just, they're like, I mean, that was the Navy's thing.

1:56:21 Other than that, you would have to be like a project. So maybe they have something now that would help, but that was it. It takes that long. It's better. I can hide it. Like if, uh, it's funny, Right. I work out with a 40-pound weight and think about, I'm going to access an enemy will destroy you. And I was exhausted. to prepare for elk hunting, He's got to have a name for it.

1:59:22 There's guys who do the triathlete route. I mean, so I had a, I basically made my own because I had all my special things that I wanted to take with me. There's these assholes that have come and attacked the base, those are javelin missiles son of a bitch i need to find a launching mechanism for those things and then just started carrying them in the field with me.

2:00:54 Those missiles are gnarly. You shot a million dollars worth of round plus? Right. It will get your head down. Look at the smile on his face when he starts describing this round. Do we have a bottle opener? And if you want to end a firefight, you shoot one one of these things i can't describe how loud it is great to so you're not even safe hiding behind things.

2:03:27 Which is better for you, the top or the direct? the trigger and it will hit whatever are. Is it? And what I found was if you shoot one of those things, they would leave us alone for the Absolutely. Right. that PTSD wasn't really, they don't like it about the mechanisms that change in your through and that's not not it may not pass by it's like we were talking about the mechanisms that change right in your body that it's not a disorder if you get sick

2:05:58 Well, I think by defining it as disorder, you're completely mischaracterizing it lower because we are in control of what we do like i the horrific environments that i saw some of And maybe something would happen and maybe it wouldn't. it better, but they're sitting there waiting for an event to occur to them. They have to be fight fair. like that's in my mind.

2:08:47 and one of the most popularized incidents Like, I mean, they were bearing 2,000 pound charges. because it's flat. And it flips them hundreds of feet into the air. little bit different and some people develop mechanisms that help them lower down the amount out of a job if you admit that is that not right or something like that you can depending on how

2:11:15 at some point that impede your judgment, I wasn't I wasn't done. He's like, I would love to get back in there and soldier more if I could. which is why I enjoyed being in control, right? Like knew where we were going, good intelligence, It's so funny. Is that, in a sense, similar to this experience that you're getting while you're doing these jumps?

2:13:51 in somehow. I don't necessarily know if it's linear. It's not necessarily the risk of life I mean, it's really just moving the dates on a calendar until it's modern day. And then you get up into the northeast, like, abad and jbad and konar it's i mean anybody involved in the planning process if we'd still be there in 2015 going into 2016, It's just not going to happen.

2:16:27 You know, we want them to play tennis, but we're giving them golf clubs. and then those objectives get muddied or changed throughout time. I don't, man. Because I know I can't physically go over there. It's totally irrelevant, right? you know what I mean? It's like, it's like when you say don't overthink and it's like, I really don't like all this important than than you being on the ground somewhere i think well it was one of the most

2:19:40 You should go, man. And you're going to see amputations. and you can see that the dad is just destroyed. cause I, I'll be home in 36 hours, Goddamn. How do they have all this money to build? I mean, I remember when I was a kid and it's like, you'd hear it all the time that a hammer Like when you pay your taxes taxes you don't get a receipt Would you like to explain yourself three million dollars missing a gas station?

2:23:08 And I'm telling you, it was the best. could do. And it was all because of the benevolence of others. I mean, it's all privately funded. You backseat ride? It's like I held it solid up until the end and then the end. What's hard about it? You know how when you're getting choked, you know how you're getting choked, you kind of like But it's like an elevator door.

2:25:06 fucking pilot. And he's doing all the time. They're all jacked. And they're just from turning and they'll be completely bruised and fucked up. And also, where's the in-flight bag? between your heart and your brain. or the Navy to fly. Yeah. their airplane is from me to Joe. Formation flying. Well, I remember, I mean, there's been many, many times where, especially like in other countries, they've done those air shows and collided with each other.

2:27:54 These motherfuckers, they got jet packs and they're flying next to like a DC-10 or something. I think they can fly for about 30 minutes. And they can go up and then they can glide. height. That's lower, though. How fast are they going? Maybe yours. That's over that fucking bullshit man-made island area that's sinking. The people who pay for this just walk out to the desert and pull out $100 bills.

2:29:37 Totally spraying chemtrails all over the people of Dubai. Wow. Six years. Yeah. You know the deal with Dubai. weekend. Right into the fucking parking lot. Dude, they, yeah, you know the deal with the money. Like, human life is free. They ain't on the Forbes list. That dude is one of my- And they're all like, you know, these penthouse pets. Like, doo-doo-doo. Who am I i fucking i'll take you come with me and the rest of them kick rocks

2:32:28 because- To fuck. There was something like that I read before his last fight. It's insane Are worth like Oh my god What is that? I bet you it's got a camera underneath that probably projects onto the floor. Exactly. But the entire top of the plane, and the whole wall of the plane was clear. First class on Qantas, you get an apartment. left and right. And then you have two TVs.

2:35:23 with some pot brownies That stunk so bad Yeah that's the one place Is just fucking blame him. He's my canary in a coal mine. at a normal 70 year old guy and you look Just lean as all hell. Long time ago. All his Rocky movies you see that too You could instantly say that it's No, but I mean that's like the argument. to Charles Poliquin, and he talks a lot

2:37:34 there, the reverse hyper. Yeah, dude. if you're a power fighter, and it's a trip. and they're learning how to accentuate their top-end power he's a good great guy mark's great guy and we were just talking about the the stigma that's germans right yeah when germany was split up. Eastern bloc countries, yeah. Yeah, you're mitigating evolution. focus that's required to get through that fucking camp is a goddamn brutal it's it's soul searing

2:40:36 at him and he goes, you were fucking using during camp 1475 was the highest number that he tested for, right? And he said it to the Mattaweans, and you could see the look in Vitor's eyes. Sorry, bitch. And it takes your belief, though. Hang the cape up. They'd get their hands on it. there's something like, God knows what they were fucking doing. had ever been. He was like 218. Crow-cop was only 214 crow cop is actually lighter than vanderley even though

2:43:23 he couldn't believe how strong he was. Dude, he is powerful. You better do it. But our buddy went over there, and he was a natural 170-pounder, We have the doctor. you're done. I mean, these guys are So what is the protocol when you're involved in that? You'd have to be picked out and pinged for that reason. Right. then go to the old turkey right when they get on it.

2:45:31 I am all for it. Again, it's the same. right yeah i don't know it makes you have more it probably would but i think it's such a psychological damaging thing like buds is from what it sounds like that i don't think that that stuff would Oh, okay. of like 150 guys and everybody's like, teamwork, we're in this together. of students smaller and smaller and smaller how deep is the water 20 feet so they're drowning

2:47:44 else. And just that Naked pool party. let's break the circle open. wrist above the water for five minutes. back a little bit. A lot of it is just kind of getting I went through the correspondence course, so I don't know. know it's about to get really bad when they do the monkey paw when their hands start doing this like it has it has a purpose right uh and if you don't quit and

2:50:34 I pulled the release valve to let all the oxygen, or not the oxygen, but the CO2 out of it. That's all that mattered. So fucked up. That happens all the time. And when the alarm systems in your body, it's a choice to listen to those things a lot of the times. you kind of feel like a pussy i feel like it's mastery too it's like yeah you get mastery over

2:53:13 Go into fear-based shit and then live there. The reward is huge. We can make a video when I jump, though, with you. Duck. Oh, what the fuck is birds? We just did three hours, believe it or not. It's like a sewer pipe attached to a shoulder. And they're shooting at you? No, that's done. That's about two kilometers. Yeah, but you know what? And what is that going to be like in five years from now?

2:55:44 Boston Dynamics. Those crazy robots that they have. Fuck yeah. I'm sure. Well, listen, Andy, the ufc is mad about the one with Donald. He just wasn't there. It's the best fucking coffee on the planet Earth. Kiss.