Joe Rogan Experience #724 — Christina Sommers Transcript

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0:00 Three, two, one, and booyah, we're live. Harvard, was it Harvard? A gyno-American? Which is, I know that term from the rap world, like based. excretive sorry they use it as a an example it's when you don't care like And then they explained that, no, it means to be authentic and you say what you think. So I had to Google it. how did you get on this kind of crazy journey?

3:59 male chauvinism. I still don't, but I don't like female chauvinism. That's what we have today, too much of that. And is there an origin of all this? I mean, is there one thing that you could That's right. And as a philosophy professor of many years, I thought there was a sacred commandment about college teaching. So I, after spending a summer reading these books, I wrote a paper and gave, I went to the American

6:54 women are from Venus, men are from hell. And I thought, that's absurd. Why would we want to teach courses like that that demonize men? Let's celebrate humanity and have, you know, some are calling them cry bullies now, and professors and so forth, these angry mobs. it's not a genuine reaction. That what the reaction represents is a green light to be an

8:51 I never argued with anybody that I wanted their – to fire them, you want to convince them. And start attacking people. angry mob. I mean, it's sad. Well, it seems like what that woman did when she wrote that original And he was being very fair So you can hear me. And then they'd say, don't yell at us. He would turn to one group of students But about 10 to 15 percent will become fixated

12:07 and these kids in there are studying and these guys came in with signs screaming, Yes. The world has become, and on campus is an Onion cartoon. But they are not the vocal. Now, to the department's credit, they wanted to do something about campus assault. universities, where the last time I looked were, you know, part I looked were part of the U.S. Constitution applies.

15:33 What is a microaggression? Oh, yes. It seems like perhaps there's reporting involved. And looking at what happens, first of all, when someone disagrees, even politely, they're banned instantly. University of Virginia. I debated a law professor. I said, then are you saying two people could rape about someone being incapacitated right blackout drunk that's reasonable people would see that as

19:12 of things are going on that would explain that you're still an agent in charge of yourself, You'd think that would make everyone happy, both sides well represented. And this was described in the New York Times, a cover story in the New York Times magazine Bubbles. Coloring books. And that sex with regret when it comes to alcohol, that perhaps since men are classically

21:26 And this is a bad date, you know, or a bad hookup, I guess that's what they would call it, where you were, you know, didn't know. and he was talking about how there was a case where a man and a woman who were going to school there got drunk and had sex, Yeah. He gave me drinks. He's a famous skeptic. Like you can't entertain that angle. right reasons. Some of them are doing it because they want equality and they think that women should be treated as equals.

25:10 And that we are here. You can't like it. that none of it has a basis in biology. That's where it gets crazy, right? And not that everyone embodies them, but most of us do. And if the women engage in the same activities, they would have the same physical abilities as the men. But on the left, it's more consequential because these people are in the universities.

28:50 100 it's probably more like 90 90 of women have met creeps right how many have actually been raped enabler. Rape denier. Yeah, there's something. What is the origin of it? If you ask people, you get a very low number. Now it's one in five because there have been other studies that sort of copied this methodology. because there are serious scholars, but if you're in a gender studies department

32:22 that are out there, this one in four is the classic case. One in 50 is awful. But Swarthmore College, Yale University, Berkeley, they are not the war-torn Congo. And it's probably, you know, an awkward 19-year-old boy who, you know, thought this girl liked him and they got drunk and had sex. If you're a victim of a crime, it's a horrible thing, but people will sympathize with you,

35:07 This is a terrible miscarriage of justice. That's very intoxicating as well. There are no motives. these children will grow up to complete their education and become professors and continue Maybe the factual feminist. Remember that? or get through whatever they're trying to get through But most people I don't think even join another team. So that's why I just don't like bullies.

40:05 divorce court and losing everything they have being preyed upon by unscrupulous women that And the women coached the kids into saying these things. where these guys are talking about, most women are still nice and they love men. to be that vulnerable to these hate ideologies. activist. No, I'm a human rights activist. I'm a truth activist, a common sense activist. And if you want to call

43:15 I like smart people, whether they're men or women. And I just want you to be – I want people to actually be judged or to be considered based on their merits, not based like instantly judged or demonized because Yes. I just wish it would be sooner rather than later. I can't figure out Atheism Plus. It's atheism. Until you listen to these fuckers talk,

46:05 Duh. Yes. Is that what it is? They also make a certain amount of money because they charge And you go to this fucking thing and these people talk It's not bad. yes don't run the old lady over you You know, what the fuck, man? Don't shoot puppies. You know, don't fucking drown kittens. that is what most of the history of culture is. Most people, if other cultures are interested in your art forms, you're proud.

49:28 It's like if you go to a Hawaiian hotel, a lot of times they'll give you one of those grass skirts. They're going to drive them out of business with this. The whole thing is ridiculous. But it's I think a lot of it is what we're saying is that when when we have social media and when you see these people that are saying all these things on social media that are, you know, a lot of people agree with a lot of really relevant points when it comes to racism or sexism or all these things.

50:56 um i have a friend who has a friend who's one of those housewives the real housewives and it's a you see a lot of acting out, a lot of craziness, or through Facebook posts or through YouTube videos or whatever the fuck it is. And I think you get a version of that in college campuses. Let's fight back against white people. the more dangerous jobs with impossible hours. It's simply a difference. When you do all

53:54 And the gender activists for years have just put out this statistic. Women are being cheated out well personally, I know. In the first two rows, there were young women with duct tape on their mouths. I mean, they were – oh, then people rushed out. but the college administration was looking at their Facebook postings and their antics Well, it's Oberlin.

56:30 dorm advisor. We were there. Well, maybe they were there. We never saw them. They had no power. Well, they think it's an injustice. or petroleum engineering. There's where the money That's why socialism is so important. Well, I'm being fanciful. And they turned to be a number of Wiccans in the audience. I think they are. I'm sure there's more. changes in their god and goddess.

59:47 what it was you did. I've wasted four years? from vocational counselors. You remember in junior high, there were vocation counselors that would or would you rather spend a week sitting with a group of people talking about their problems? But as you say, you would tell the young woman. If it does matter to you, then change your major if you're going into one of these fields.

1:03:13 actually enjoy. And somehow or another, that's lost in a lot of people. And people say, oh, one thing. Men, I think a lot of men suffer from depression, as I'm sure a lot of women do difference and see what it turns out. Maybe there is a happiness gap. There certainly is a fatality gap, which is that men are vastly more likely to die on the job because men occupy the gritty,

1:05:07 They stay. There are. there weren't these arbitrary barriers. Women just moved in into areas that had been once just more or less restricted to males. Were they so much more receptive to women? are going to prevent you from doing what you want to do or getting in the way of you being But we're telling young women, oh, you're not welcome in tech. She is glued to her phone when she's not at work.

1:08:22 work again? You're never home. I'm sure that for those who do it and get, you know, they're probably having a great ride. They are out there. They want the money. They want the power. They want it all. And the majority of women are left out. If I found out that all these women wanted to work full-time I call myself a feminist, but I do, it used to mean that you believed in equality of the

1:10:20 One of the things that I've found that's's hilarious it keeps getting repeated over and over again and feminist blogs and websites is um they won't address men's issues until all If there's a person out there that thinks that way, that is a sign that no these are all men who tweeted you and you responded to them like they're trolling you You're going to catch tuna.

1:12:25 being somehow or another you're being oppressed. It's proof that you're crazy and you're paying If you have 100, one person out of 100 is going to be dumb. left out and they feel like the only way they can get attention is to scream or yell or to say misogynist things or hateful things. they will not hear that if they're on campus, and now you don't hear it in the media. So social

1:15:06 I think you might like it. But so does being a woman. Women now earn 57% of bachelor's, If you look at different ethnic groups, African-Americans, Latinos, working class white kids, I attribute it to a number of things. pathology. So you'll find little boys being suspended for playing cops and robbers or there are tears, there's anger, it's not a happy sight.

1:18:30 Because I have all daughters, but I have a buddy that has all sons. And, like, he barely exercises. He rides his bike. He's not aggressive. He, at Stanford. And he's like super mellow. And he barely exercises. They're crazy. I mean, we might do that, but we'd probably go into her room and, you know, be talking and listening to music or something. It was camaraderie.

1:20:16 I'm a comedian. And they think it's bullying. And men are a little more stoical. But they didn't. have to be like the girls. And then they said something very interesting. If a boy does have Yeah, they're working on male psychology and male counseling. to you talk, talk about, listen to someone talk to you about grammar or reading. It's hard. It's hard for kids to sit and pay attention.

1:23:52 And he was just not paying attention in school and acting out and wasn't very disciplined like a lot of young boys are. it's almost as if teachers only like kind of the confessional poet. And fortunately, there are some that are beginning to notice because now people are getting worried about what's happening to boys' education because it has all sorts of ramifications for the economy.

1:25:27 which every, not every, but most four or five-year-old boys, that's what they want, And the parents came in and said, yeah, what did he do? that has no sympathy for his imagination. What that father said about Justin, that pretty much In schools, the majority of teachers, it's a feminine profession, There would be hearings on Capitol Hill. With girls, you really don't, you know, there are so many books written for them.

1:28:40 I could see how you would want this little kid to calm down and be silent. were the low, West Virginia is the low, some of the lowest scores, in this school was bad. This wonderful, it was a female teacher, she started an all-boys class, The ACLU went in there because there were gender activists in the ACLU that said separating by gender is a kind of apartheid, gender apartheid.

1:30:19 Oh, God. Younger than 10. And that's what's happening. That was a big part of the whole Gamergate, Call of Duty is, it's this idea that when you play a game or when you engage in any sort of a fantasy activity, Now they've come along and say, oh, well, these games cause sexism. That's what's going on. That's beautiful. mentality on someone when they say something wrong the attacking but ultimately i think people are

1:34:53 And so I think that, anyway, about with the games, they had just made all these false assumptions. People have addictive personalities. And in working with these people, you find correlations between people that are, they Addictive behavior is extremely common with fighters. because the world of mixed martial arts or fighting in general to figure out a way to sort of transfer that energy in a positive manner yeah and what makes

1:37:33 And I recognized, I go, okay, I just can't do this. And I recognized like, OK, this is not going to be productive for me. management and we need to recognize that there are certain people especially It doesn't mean that video games are causing them to lose their life. What they need is some sort of mental management. Video games don't turn you into sexist.

1:39:05 We have more access to instantaneous violence, seeing things online, being able to play video Anime. You can buy them from vending machines in certain places. I mean, I don't know. And they want to be dominated. But some people have these bizarre needs for things that you or I would have no desire for. I don't know about it much, but a nice furry told me on the internet

1:41:22 Some people go deep with it, and some people it's just fun. They're all like big squirrels and rabbits and stuff. Okay. the entire hotel They could be making the meanest, evil face in the world behind that big, smiley chipmunk mask. Gender studies. But is that what it is? the econ majors, the practical majors. well, you're suggesting that women are more interested in the humanities

1:44:59 They can major in art history or feminist dance therapy, if that exists, or whatever they want. Because they don't think they're actually going to have to make a living? campaign against patriarchy. So, and by the way, I should add that it's too bad gender studies is that way, because wearing a mask and trying to figure out what they look like underneath that mask.

1:47:04 and what are the biological reasons for certain reactions. and it really hurts you to go away for very long, you know, 40 hours a week. But men do it all the time. But when you have babies, there's something that changes, I see this happening. They become their husband's mother. They become nags, lot of ways, mirror the activities that we see in other mammals. And in other mammals, the women

1:50:13 For example, males are, we've got very good evidence, You know, there are all sorts of things we do to socialize male energy. So we need to understand it, not resent it, not pathologize it, not criminalize it. I know. There could be exceptions. That's the problem, right? And I was about to look it up until it hit me. Oh, good Lord. And then she said, one destined to command and the other to obey.

1:54:08 be open to that you have to resist um closed-mindedness and that in the ideal university that this same trend could eventually extend to the universities where these kids will realize offensive about women's roles. Or wore the wrong shirt or something. Yeah, like that scientist that wore that. So silly. I think what's going to happen is the universities are maybe going to become obsolete.

1:56:19 Amherst College, some of our best universities. filmed that one kid who by the way was an asian american uh who was trying to take photographs She had questioned the media. a safe space and they were going to do a hunger strike there like what in the fuck and what are Now, every generation has had big challenges to liberty. and preserve it. been a member, but I loved Nadine Strassen.

1:59:44 I think they're intimidated. They think maybe we should be respectful. And they're more likely to be suing a school for having a boys' class to help boys read He's like- And I think they were horrified to have on a public university to have a professor throwing out the police. Lacrosse case? How about the University They've gone on to better jobs, some of them.

2:02:51 Maybe she's like one of those people that's just like reality TV acting out and she's nice. No, and one of them wasn't even there. Oh, yeah. And their professors, the majority, we have very good data, vast majority liberal. So they will hear that. Yeah, I mean, can you even have a young Republicans conference on a major campus? They just assumed you were part of the problem because of who invited you?

2:06:32 But I can imagine being upset. and not by intimidating them, which And he's actually the one that filmed, Wait a minute. Am I confusing my schools? So he filmed it for that reason. And then he went crazy and had to be removed from the room. They're just looking for, there's a green light i see indian go and they just decide to get angry it's not it's not a rational response to uh someone saying something that's callous or

2:09:30 And that is so offensive. These are grievance collectors. They need something real to do battle against. this is my home, all that crazy shit that she was yelling out, would she have done that if they were alone? It doesn't lead to good places. And that these people are jockeying for a great position on the social You occupied a computer? Why were you going to destroy the computer? Oh, because we thought they were doing to destroy the computer. What? I hadn't thought it through. Why were you going to destroy the computer?

2:12:43 No, not like that. And they had a computer, which was a big deal. It was huge. And I think they thought they could go in and destroy it. And I thought, oh, what is that? I'm not confessing to a crime. And how you can get caught up in it. I've actually had a couple on that have been in cults You're like, hell no, we won't go. Vietnam was a fucked up war.

2:15:49 Interesting. Wow. She's a little naive, I think, in her politics because she's still very left-wing. You're probably like me. I'm homeless, politically homeless. I try to think, well, maybe I agree In all administrations, there's an invisible government of people who, you know, regulators and people who work in little agencies in the government. She might surprise us. Well, I always assume that those directions are being prompted by special interest groups

2:18:59 Yeah. And then they run with it and make policy that you may or may not even agree with, Do you? In this sense, there's so many things. more professors coming forward. Because you need scholars, and you need people who can look at the For example, there's Steve Pinker. And tremendous command of, you know, the literature in their fields. But so far it hasn't happened.

2:22:09 You reacted so quickly. And he was given a fortune, or maybe not a fortune, but a sizable amount of money, He loves to talk about things like that. And who does he put on the board? Is he an overweight woman with pink hair? That's what they're like.. So there's a few, a few of those. They're like vampire familiars. That's what they're like. He's still.

2:25:10 And we talked before, that male violence. And it usually takes other men to protect the rest of us from them. And I thought, why can't we take him as emblematic of what men can do? you become guilty by association. No, it's perfect. with your wife and they would say horrible things about you and what a terrible person you I shouldn't have done that.

2:27:54 And they're not the type of men that women would choose. feminists that they take on this idea because they do see they want to be sexism yeah they do see of feminists who were not male averse, who were sex positive, and we were driven, you know, we were I needed armed guards. And you know what else was happening at Georgetown? And I just want to say, even as a former radical, like, don't do that.

2:30:39 It's otherizing? They stereotype, demonize, otherize, and they don't just do microaggressions. It has an effect. that might have a difference of opinion with them. They'll seek them out and insult them It's because a lot of people react. to react. I always, I am, in some cases. Well, we're all learning. We're all learning Do not tweet after midnight.

2:33:57 and attack some hapless professor or someone that you heard from somebody told a joke. I grew up, people like George Carlin, that was where they were. And they have to try out. But I remember one time I used to do this Q&A thing with kids. You know, it's a joke. business like it's not negative at all like how and he was perplexed I find it funny but but it's

2:36:20 It's about Jewish people being good at business. separate yourself from the the the fools of the world and say that, you know, you're going to be and reinforcing these ideas without a whole lot of interaction with the real world, Well, don't you think that's kind of going on, though, People will write something very annoying, But I think information and open discourse and just those – that's exactly what's going on right now with the internet and with social media.

2:39:49 I mean, you have giant groups of people, but ultimately you just have people. Maybe that is preposterous. And so I'm thinking, no, she may be just a heart. oh she did yes about how edward didn't have sex with her and she bought meanwhile she wrote edward But I didn't No, but I touch my hair too much. And I don't know what to do. And I thought, oh, but at my age, I'm not going to go change. So I've watched some lectures, and I have tics, and I don't know what to do.

2:42:17 We were just talking about that in the last podcast we did. You know, we sort of accept. Did you ever hear Christopher Hitchens? As long as I didn't say anything stupid and have him eviscerate me. and Hitchens just lit him up. Yeah, he was very funny and provocative in a lot of ways too. because Sarah Silverman's one of the funniest people on the planet,

2:44:02 She was fabulous and beautiful. She was talking about it. I mean, when she was alive, feminine but they shouldn't be politically correct it would be terrible if we had a group of We have small groups of people that subscribe to their ideas and they're happy to join in. It was very divisive. for someone to come in like maybe they become a talk show host or they have a big important job with a network on some sitcom or something

2:46:25 Tim Allen, same thing. Bob Saget. Mort Sahl's still around. I'm going, man. going back and to the left and made people On what? I'm sure he was, in his prime, he was so funny. There's a lot of those out. It's not worth it. They think that their sensibilities are more important than your performance. They're indoctrinating you with all these wacky ideas.

2:49:26 Flies by. It's getting more manly. I have to do this I have things like this in the attic. Listen, thank you very much for doing this. wrong, I'll change my point of view. I'm open. But don't cut off debate. That's what's happened. online the way you should communicate with them if they were right there in front of you Oh, my goodness, what are we going to have?

2:52:32 And it's easy to accept you're a nice person. And if you ever have anything you need promoted, please just let us know. Big kiss.