Joe Rogan Experience #725 — Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson Transcript

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0:00 I have been looking forward to this podcast for a long time, gentlemen. All over the U.S. and when you see it through Randall's eyes, And when I tell people that you guys are coming on together, I'm going to pass that one to Randall first off. um and it's it's a uh a million cubic meters per second and they originally came up with it to talk Which is very difficult to even envision.

3:45 receded the iceberg melted away and it left this humongous boulder there and actually there's Yeah, if you want, I can pull up some images. Is that what that is? and we know now that that happened because of the are jostling against each other and the flood has ripped up whole forests by its roots and there's mud and there's rubble and it's rumbling and you see it all on the landscape up there.

5:30 And what we had was a floodplain that got overtopped for the first time in decades, So this is a massive storm, but it's nothing out of the ordinary, really. along in, swept along in this water that was over this floodplain, which was two feet deep. and they're up to 50 feet in amplitude. And the water that flowed through here that deposited and not really figure what you're driving through,

8:22 our distant ancestor is a sort of 65 millionmillion-year-old shrew, which was going nowhere until the dinosaurs were wiped by a cosmic impact. But certainly mammals were going nowhere before the dinosaurs were swept out of the way. And yet, mainstream archaeology and historians have not But whenever you propose that and present evidence for it, you can be sure that you will be descended upon by a furious crowd of critics.

11:11 Shoemaker-Levy 9 that hit Jupiter back in 1994. That was a small comet just two kilometers wide too, right? around? the change in temperature 12,800 years ago was just stunning. And they call it, they'll just call it the Younger Dryas. which through water vapor up into the upper atmosphere caused a greenhouse effect And this is, what we see here, brackets this whole episode of this period of transition from the glacial age to this nice, warm, Holocene interglacial age that we're in now.

15:00 has been very mysterious and unexplained evidence. So for folks who are not aware of both of your work, Fingerprints of the Gods, I started reading sometime in the late 90s and just became engrossed in it and fascinated by this concept that civilization, the erosion on the Yes, really. And it's a fairy tale. because if that was the work of some unknown culture 12,000 years ago,

18:04 popping up all around the world. Likewise, we can be sure of the dating of Gobekli Tepe Now, it's important to be clear that there's much more of Gorbecki Tepe under the ground. And actually, Göbekli Tepe means pot-bellied hill in the Turkish language. Well, it's got to be satisfying to you guys, You've got to be a bit obsessed to stick with something like this.

20:55 seeing is just a mass of new evidence that basically vindicates the notion of a lost And we know it was accompanied It contains the world's first perfectly north-south aligned structure. least six thousand years older than any other known site so how do they explain this our ancestors are And at the same time, exactly at the same moment, 11,600 years ago,

23:18 came into that area, settled there, And up till now, archaeologists have dismissed the whole Atlantis story And rather than it being a smooth curve, which was the old model, The nuclear glass that they're finding and the core samples, that's all around the same time period. And carbon spherules and the melt glass, All these images are beautiful, but let's Note that most people are just listening to this

26:19 kilometers of water back into the ocean basins. The numbers across the bottom are KYR means thousands of years before present. All around the world, and secondly all around the world, But every culture in the world has myths and traditions It all seems to fit together. attack on that idea becomes an existential attack on you yourself. And it is sad because

29:49 I was like, well, how could you? But looking for some massive evidence that clearly shows, beyond any shadow of doubt, into the first cities and we go on and on and then we develop technologies and here we are a high civilization, system of attack is to first of all devalue you so much that nobody will ever listen to you. I was in that documentary as well.

32:50 And if you've been teaching something for a long time, then it turns out you gave out from an authority position, we know what happened and we know where we're going. there's actually been forces unleashed on this planet that really utterly dwarf anything we've done yet. this scenario of human-caused mass extinction and blaming the extinction of the great megafauna

35:25 75%. comes from. And what that tells us is that this is what is referred to as an isochron, Absolutely. Where is Murray Springs? them around now documented over North America I think about two-thirds of them But you'll notice the bones below are the bones of extinct mammals. it's almost like an Oreo cookie. And south of it you have a heavily vegetated area covered with primal forests.

39:27 Because there's numbers that you guys are throwing around and there's concepts you're journals. Very little of it has got out into the public domain. So one of the things I've tried to Yeah, and when Randall says Firestone and West and Kennett, that actually now we should be regarding their view as the mainstream. but earlier probably from some previous event maybe 30,000 years ago.

42:22 And basically, not much survived in either north or south america north and south It's an interesting situation because when we look at the arguments of history and archaeology, that dogma as well. and the slate was completely wiped clean here Wow, it's so It's so hard, the numbers that you're throwing around, the ideas behind it. Like five miles? There's a place that they call the Oort Cloud,

46:01 Our sun, our solar system, everything is in orbit around the center of the galaxy. Thank you, Jupiter. We've actually just finished our latest passage through the Taurid meteor stream. that it is actually full of large rocky rocky debris including one object that may be as much As I said, there's two passages through the stream, million trees across

48:45 And we would all be paying much more attention to the Taurid meteor stream today than we are presently doing. that someone pushed over. Like a It's part of our daily lives. I don't want to manifest that. We can make sure that life and light continue on this planet and that our story continues. About the same as the cost to run one McDonald's restaurant for a year,

51:41 And then we reach a point where here we are in 2015. And through all these inventions, we're starting to rediscover what our history truly is and rediscover the history of the earth. But we can be sure that people like you and me have been around for about 200,000 years with the anatomically modern form and the anatomically modern brain. Now, if you go back 200,000 years, say 196,000, and we divide that by 25.

53:41 accomplished in the past? But once you put this perspective, and you've got to understand that the catastrophe we're talking about 12,000 years ago, to the landscape and dropping sea levels 400 feet. And now during an ice age, you've got to bear in But again, unfortunately, marine archaeology has its eye off the ball. Most of the resources in marine archaeology go into shipwrecks, looking for shipwrecks.

56:03 Jesus Christ. Right. And crushing the surface of the ground down. And we discussed how at this very moment your ass is demonstrating an important geological phenomena of isostatic depression sitting on continent back into the ocean basins, that the ocean basins are going to subside. And the other end of the seesaw. suggesting that there was massive

58:44 were submerged somewhere near So it's just another port that was submerged. part of England to rise up. the land is pushed up. Yeah. Yeah, sure, climate change is taking place. We're crazy enough, insane enough, is occurring but are we the cause of it or is something else some some grander scale cosmic period since the end of the Great Ice Age. In fact, the data overwhelmingly supports that,

1:02:38 that would suggest that prior to the onset of the Little Ice Age, those valleys that were filled with ice from roughly You know, somebody I did post and said all the other factors I had mentioned as, you know, I mean, because I still have not heard any consensus And I think our ancestors probably did understand that. in the modern world. Again, because we're so puffed

1:05:15 comets come into the inner solar system from time to time from deep space. pollution you really don't realize what we're missing and what we're sacrificing in order to the observatories above but you really don't even know how to go past the visitor center but they're Yeah, and it's weird because we have this technology that enables us to go around the whole world and even go out into outer space.

1:07:48 I mean, because these days, how many people see meteors? that have no clue, have no clue. actually, um, you know, begin actually begin to figure out and identify working and it may even have been used So, for example, if you talk about astrology to most any mainstream scientist, they're going to laugh in your face. But if you go back to the antiquity you go back to the real origins of this and you start finding some very interesting

1:10:37 deny our cosmic environment. That's the first That's meant to be an instant dismissal. time is right now. dramatically different, which it is. much, for the most part, remained consistent. But within that backdrop of consistency, every once by which very intimate and intricate movements within that backdrop of fixed stars the past. And that's one of the big mistakes I think that archaeology makes. There are people

1:14:03 which they connected in their system of ideas to the goddess Isis. Well, that's one of the scariest, well, not the scariest, but most astounding things when you Very long, very precise observations and the motive to make those observations, that made this object. And that's like holding your finger up to the horizon. So what we're going to do is we're going to encode it in great stories,

1:16:58 Which has been referred to in Hamlet's Mill as the great year. But it hasn't always pointed at Polaris because of the wobble on the axis of the Earth, constellations? Is that accepted by mainstream archaeologists? of it are not taken properly into account. Remember 21st of December 2012, there was all that fuss and nonsense about the end of the world happening then, and it didn't. But the Maya never

1:19:20 And what he showed in that calculation is that it is the position of the winter solstice a calendar that can predict eclipses of the moon 200,000 years into the future High science encoded in that calendar. It wouldn't make a good app. So an average human life is roughly like a day of the great year. And I think that possibly one of the importances of monitoring, because you can't really, you know, you can't go out and look at the sun, you know, and say, okay, here's the sun relative to this backdrop of this constellation.

1:22:17 Because I have an image here. I've seen that online. stand on either side of the galactic center that there should be a scorpion in that area of the sky, That looks like a penis. And that is a staggering possibility that I investigate here. forward and they could envisage the sky in our epoch today. The Maya could do that. And what name in wet cement. Instead of that, what they've done is they've removed everything around it to

1:26:18 And again, I think we're looking at symbolism is the use of psychedelics in ancient civilizations because it's undeniable the impact those things have on human consciousness. what the experience look i just need 15 minutes of your time. The Eleusinian mysteries in ancient Greece used a potion related to LSD, I don't know whether or not that's stash or whether it's just chicks' handbags.

1:29:01 The symbolism of these purses? and that serpent has a crest on its head, The Sumerian fish man? The oannis, the uanadapa, of those bags just the same as the... Really? Yeah. Whoa. It's pure speculation. but they've also been trained in the fundamental dogmas And actually, if you try and go against that dogma as a mainstream archaeologist, you can kiss goodbye to your career.

1:31:41 Did you see the discovery they found recently of a large tooth that's a cousin the evidence is coming out of the woodwork. And it shuts us down to the possibilities. in dream, to learn true knowledge a dreamer means that you're It's in Homer, actually, that he speaks of the gate of ivory and the gate of horn. Some dreams come through the gate of ivory. They're just

1:33:55 They always call me a pseudoscientist, which means a false scientist. But the word is used as a bludgeon or a club to beat an enemy over the head and ensure that nobody listens to what that enemy says. have the knowledge of this giant cataclysm that happened 12,800 years ago, which has just not been taken into account at all up to now. is that considered in mainstream science?

1:36:03 But you're stitching it together. up with the science on this and take it into account. But right now, it's not being taken all of this. You know, what's interesting to me though, is that it, it really, it almost falls here's your 13 000 year spike right here this's exactly the same time period and exactly the same as the changing of the temperature,

1:38:25 that this didn't correspond This is so glaring. It's really hard to accept. not enough comparing notes across the disciplines. And I guess that's where my skills, such as they Exactly, and they all keep their jobs. So this is now we have to reconsider what we already know. But that's not the case. the kind of knowledge filter, that it's chemotherapy and radiotherapy,

1:42:24 Sure, there is. A little shy of two weeks. of this very, very, very, very thoroughly. But this giant, these open, and he knows that landscape like the back of his hands. What are we looking at here? So that was the boulder that was pushed by the water? about the size of an oil tank. It's sitting on top of the land surface, like all of these. Yeah. But this is evidence that the flooding was much more extensive than just the Missoula flooding.

1:46:40 who was the first to document the fact so I have no one left to gloat over. from the beginning that he was dealing, And this stuck the whole argument for the best part of 40 years until a compromise was reached. he would have known instantly what caused that single humongous flood. And this was Louis Figuer, I think was his name, who speculated that the ice sheets over northwestern Europe had catastrophically melted down.

1:49:50 embodies this whole phenomenon this is known as as dry falls cataract and it's about five miles wide They would let you in there to see this. I mean, the thing is made of basalt, and my footstep is not going to do any harm. There's been development and so forth. Yeah, back on the image of Dry Falls, exactly. And this horseshoe shape is very typical of the way water will erode bedrock

1:52:01 Yes. Plus. The water coming over was about 400 feet deep. So if you were here witnessing this at the Then eventually the waterfall stopped. ground. And, you know, people don't know about, you know, like here, this is Utah. And what you What they've been doing, different from religious superstition. So the notion of the great flood that we find in the Bible

1:56:01 That's so unfortunate. oh look how pretty do you think a flooding went as far south as Utah not ice ages that have come and gone. To me, the evidence I'm seeing suggests that the transition from glacial to And what this is is just a gravel pit. and you understand and you can read what you're seeing here then suddenly it becomes apparent that that has been ridiculed by archaeologists, but it is insistent, and the evidence keeps on coming forward.

2:00:16 It's something that we all have to get to grips with. And a lot of people just bought that. in the world, just as our picture of the past is shifting. So our picture of who we are and what People are lazy. It's a kind of little pitch. They want it to be forgotten. You can get it on Amazon. strength. Without my readers, I'm literally nothing. And I value and appreciate them.

2:04:05 What is that? We can go to the Sacred Geometry International website. there so cosmic patterns and cycles of catastrophe yes 33.33 percent off what is that all about We just need to find them and put it together. Well, I randall in Because usually after a comedy show, you have a conversation with people. it's a phenomenon i travel all around the world and I give presentations in just countries everywhere.

2:07:18 who just waste it away on trivia and nothing. I mean, you have John Anthony West and Robert Shock, and you were obviously a part of all that. Absolutely brilliant researcher. back attention to the importance of the skies in the ancient world and what it means for our that the weathering on it didn't fit with the picture of history. And John took Robert Shock to Egypt, and Robert Shock

2:10:39 I find it so incredibly enriching and fascinating. We lost a lot. And I think that, you know, how Graham wraps up the book really is about our future, you know. Let me get, let me just. That's not that far. A hundred meters. And when you look at the universe that's not big but like when you know you think think of a a slug from a from a 32 right if i

2:14:05 go through this real real quick here and you'll get the idea i think um that where we're at because Current predictions for the number of potentially dangerous asteroids have been underestimated by at least 20%, say astronomers. that are on Earth-crossing orbits. to do something about it. Like there has to almost be an event that takes place that makes people wake up.

2:16:02 There's something about human beings that we don't consider the possible. let's talk. What's the wonderful thing about Russia is apparently there's so much insurance crime and so many collisions with each other that a lot of people over in Russia have dash cams. deaths rather than just 1500 injuries I think that would have been looking at 1,500 deaths rather than just 1,500 injuries. I think

2:18:28 a new... resources. Platinum group metals and hydrocarbons and water and asteroids are actually extraordinary sources of resources, natural resources, So there are practical suggestions that come out of all of this. This isn't just about the past as Randall And buckshot can do a lot of harm as well, effectively paint it. You put your finger excuse me, just over there please.

2:21:05 In fact, if you read the eyewitness accounts, they describe how it looks like it was being disgorged from the sun or being expelled from the sun. area. And I'm pretty sure that it would mean, if it were allowed to happen, that it would mean the end of our civilization. and it could easily fall apart. Africa or the hunter-gatherers of the Amazon basin. You know, the meek of the world, those who are not

2:23:54 magical, magical powers, which was destroyed because of its own arrogance and cruelty. You look at a hard drive, there's nothing there. To nothing. and then you projected It encloses them. number 72. It's actually 600 times 72. And 72 is the heartbeat of the precessional cycle. or what its dimensions were, to be something going on. We must But how long would it take? How hard would it be?

2:27:47 a multifunctional device in my view, seems to come out from the walls. As that silence descends, you feel this monument begin to speak to you. It's just, it's such a special thing that we have this, this area where you can see And for a long time, and they've also put drill cores down into it, That's not Gunung Padang. Yeah. I think that it will go ahead again.

2:31:26 And thirdly, that the date of this site puts us back to 20,000 years, This site sits in an area of high land which was never submerged. It had projected its power all around the world. Indonesia made it clear that Atlantis wasn't just the island. It had projected to 2,500 years ago. But when you say megalithic site... This is a material called columnar basalt,

2:33:23 It can be broken up into blocks. And when you see Yeah, that's what you're seeing. It's one of many sites that are appearing around the world now Well, I have a lot in the book. Just click on that. That is an artist's interpretation of what Gunung Padang would have looked like in its original form before it became overgrown. a massive Everyone in my show has to repopulate the

2:36:58 So 50,000 years before this. And we don't write anything down in anything that's going to survive any sort of a disaster. tremendous amount of memory work is involved. And this is the ancient system. with all of these silly conspiratorial things and I never will be a Freemason because I'm not a The beer? Not in the lodges. And so conspiratorially constantly debated about the origins of the symbolism on our money.

2:40:41 Who knows, really? Why do you have to have a pyramid with an eyeball? It's very Egyptian. Well, that's also the tree that they're considering, that modern Jerusalem scholars have attached to Moses and the burning bush. In that, we have to look at this image. You see, what you have here is a juxtaposition of different symbols, What? I'm going to go ahead and spill some.

2:43:20 Randall. Long hair. And I can show you a couple of other things. In the Masonic allegoryory you have the death of which you might speculate is maybe How civilization is then renewed, phoenix-like, out of the ashes of the previous one. And once you begin to understand the symbolism of this, you can begin to read it just like a book or a manuscript almost,

2:46:00 Yeah, it's interesting stuff. And sometimes it's the cosmic serpent. That's what it looks like. And what does the seven stars usually depict? not only the Masonic ritual, but in argues that there was no ancient knowledge of the So that one plant plays an important role over and over and over. to extract the DMT from that bark, into the third eye of the initiate in that image. The imagery is all there. You just have to dig it

2:49:15 So what are we looking at here, Randall? It's a beehive, yeah. show it's another whole other show on bees does it does it i mean what when i mean when you look And to have that as a big part of their culture, to have bees as a big part of their culture. You see the tails? to know about that time. We need to recover our memory. The human species is in a kind of broken

2:52:33 for our last chat, September 2014. friend who's a drug counselor and uh last night he was telling me a story he's also a comedian And the marijuana just happens to be the thing he's using to try to fill up. Always the case with addiction. regroup and in that regrouping And now they're magical. Everybody should. that we are seeing the legalization of cannabis,

2:55:50 and in Portland, Oregon, and in Denver, and in Boulder. It's gone through the roof. But they're still selling booze. Real estate's gone up. And it's a grotesque abuse of the right of adults marijuana legal when London says no. But in America, you can do it. And this is going to Lies. They've sold us so many lies. And then not literally, but like get a sense in your mind, a new perspective, a fresh view.

2:59:27 And that's really where it started for me. you know, that there's just this dead. We're the only consciousness on the planet in the universe. hang on, you monkeys don't know everything. It seems like 20 minutes. GrahamHancock.com Okay. Randall, thank you so much. Absolutely.