Joe Rogan Experience #735 — Peter Boghossian Transcript

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0:00 We good? Great guy. Work at Portland State, teach philosophy there. mean i did i tried kempo i tried i i literally tried all if you were to put all of the martial arts together that don't work I tried Tai Chi He like competed in a tournament, a karate tournament, I think deep into his 60s. Were you in New Mexico? And just get smoked like a beginner.

3:26 And I thought a lot of this stuff was real and it just turned out to be fantasy. opponents, we don't talk about, this is a huge area that nobody is talking about. We can understand I think, he's a super good guy. from people in fantasy-based martial arts. It develops a kind of character. It develops a kind of attitude when you place yourself in situations and get tapped. It's a type of corrective

5:53 against joints or chokes against arteries like choke holds to cut off the blood to your brain That's just a fact. and he's obsessed. I'm like, he taps me most of the time. There's no bullshit. let's take a look at, you mentioned wrestling. We know that jujitsu works. So the reason that we know we can test these things, we can take people and or your head. Yeah, they're not a cushioning. Yeah. So we can look, we can judge what works.

9:35 And you say, what is it? I say, you know, but it's a certain, you know, stance. And I do this. Right. You know, come Bantus stance. And you I say this. You just come attacking with pinkies. Yeah. I say, you know, but it's a certain stance and I do this. I'm going to send them over there, put them up against your good purple belt, get it on video, and we'll see what happens.

10:37 tap out his, uh, purple belts and you say, all right, well, brown belt at some point, So his lineage I don't I don't remember but he was a famous Japanese guy who apparently had killed a bull right punch But not only that, it was an opportunity for you to figure out what was real right and there's and they never came into play ever when I competed they were there were none I got my black belt in Taekwondo, and I had to remember all those goofy moves.

12:57 It's a waste of time, but I'd argue it's even worse than a waste of time. What it does do is it helps your precision movement. but other things as well. Like yoga, I think is extremely effective in enhancing your ability How dare you? I don't know anything about basketball. at it. Think about kata And shadowboxing, in a sense, is a form of kata. Blue belt.

16:21 You've got to go Anthony Bourdain style. practicing something over and over again, the problem with that is there's no corrective No, I'm saying that like, so let's say that you shadow box a hammer punch. That's why prayer is so insidious. the tenets of Christianity, like of godly behavior and compassion and all these different I mean, if a guy thinks that he's going to take Tai Chi only and get into the UFC,

19:53 and can't do. bullshit. Like Tai Chi is a good example. So people think that they're going towards a certain certainly motion would be better than non-motion. And the problem is exactly the same problem with lucky you know like i could get lucky against rory i could get lucky against matt thornton it's always perception of reality because of it and that distorted perception of reality was shattered

23:13 and I had kickboxed, and I'd done quite a bit of boxing training, he was just some guy just beat the fuck out of me i mean he almost disdainfully and he was a nice That's why my hands have all these cuts. Think about black belts and stick at knife fighting. And I mean, I had a stick and I'd been training with a stick for like years at that point. You thought?

25:51 And this gets back to our discussion about shadowboxing and about training other ways. someone will pretend to throw a punch yes another person will step aside and Jamie can link to it, I guess. whether it's shadowboxing or whether it's kata reverse baseball swing stab overhand stab attack to the knees attack to the I've seen guys do it. but you're becoming further from reality.

29:17 Well, that's not going to work because there's no corrective mechanism. is he's working on his squeeze and it's not thinking that that's going to make him get to So you would have gone down a path to make you worse in the action. What I think you would need for that is, well, I guess here's my question to you. Yoga has its merit. There's benefit in stringing together those reps, those repetitions.

32:29 mat, there's nobody to roll with. benefits to a lot of other things. So not just the flexibility aspect and the body maintenance, The person is the corrective mechanism in the fight. of this I think, yeah, if you wanted to break it down to what is the only— So that when you compete, you know, all these techniques are ready Yeah, exactly. But here's the problem.

37:10 excellent kickboxer, world champion. You know, like if you can only throw, let's say say 50 kicks in a round before you get exhausted I think to unbox all this and to make it a little bit easier for people that are going what the fuck are they talking about? Yeah. it uh and it was really amazing to watch it It was awesome. And it was a crowd filled with thousands of people

39:48 so there was lessons for me as came from Japanese jiu-jitsu and Elio Gracie and Carlos Gracie, in the first place is because the new techniques that were established by carlos and ilio gracie And then Dan's about to go out and he taps thinking is all about i made a mistake i was wrong i thought this you know what, I made a mistake, I was wrong, I thought this, you know what, I made a mistake.

42:39 and then after that he fought Hoyler Gracie, who is one of the greatest Brazilian jiu-jitsu competitors of all time. And he got him with a triangle, but the setup was his rubber guard setup. with his unorthodox techniques that people had laughed at, tapped Hoyler Gracie in front of everybody. because you couldn't believe he just tapped They openly mocked him.

44:18 on the podcast and had eddie explain what he was doing and even when it looked like horla was And when he was explaining that, it was even more humiliating Which relevance is what works. who won the Eddie Bravo Invitational yesterday. it's like, wow, this game just continues to grow and evolve. I've been saying this for a while, but I'll say it again.

46:52 is, of course, when you talk about jujitsu being applicable, it's applicable inside jujitsu. Boxing and wrestling were two of the five. Too versed. Yes. Right. I mean, I really haven't been hit in the head that much since then, Have you ever seen Melvin Manhoef kick the pads? famous for having just unbelievable knockout power he knocked out mark hunt he weighed 185 pounds

50:25 style so imagine those guys fighting these guys who are in make-believe land Yeah, so the other thing about that is that guy knows what he can do and he can't do. The wake-up call that I got was focus with the difference being that people in religions, people who have faith, they think there are better people as a consequence of them having faith. things stupid but it's true when i was a kid i used to have the keys to the the it was a dojang because it was taekwondo is

53:45 and I was like, I'm like, We were like little So I guess here's my problem with that what martial arts meant to me at the time was, and, you know, my stepdad was a little distant. Point being like I wasn't willing to sacrifice that like The ideals and the tenets of that. It's interesting, isn't it? Something's like really important to focus on so it's taken a kind of a-

56:13 If you care about someone and you, never like like really good friends i would never yell at them and, you know, call them a piece of shit. I think because marriage is not something that like, it's like something you're trying to do. you had this idea of the dojo being a sacred place. I've definitely changed my ideas about what that even was at the time. I think what that was, that need for that sacred space in this intense concentration and purity of that environment,

58:33 really just lessons and that now that I have this new focus and this new thing and it's shown You know what I'm saying? That's lovely. I wish we could And those are kind of, I don't like the word sacred though. But it's just, it's just noises. I don't say it like in terms of like harps and the clouds and all that kind of jazz. Yeah. I should have learned by now. That's all bullshit throw that away toss that shit aside

1:03:05 to learn and grow that's all just data yeah and i think part bundled with that is gratitude you know No, no, no. Pay no attention to the banging. be kind to people. But they're there they got shit going on and it empowers me. Yeah, I mean it up. So here's why has virtue to it especially in the form in the face of tragedy or even joy like i sometimes i

1:06:12 they're they're self-esteem issues are they and i think that acceptance yeah acceptance and you Are you serious? I'll call bullshit on that in class, and everybody will freak out. Yeah, well, you actually saw them years ago together doing their little thing. it but um yeah all of those things all those things are not necessary it's uh i think we are

1:09:00 like i saw some woman who was arguing about mus terrorists. And that was like one of the big things that this is, this, this country was founded on Judeo Christian ethics. And they become much more difficult, if not impossible, to revise. would be like, whoa, what the fuck did you just say? That's the draw. That's the line that we draw. And Satan is in the hearts and minds of these enemies.

1:10:57 You're blaming Satan on the bad things and you're praising God for the good things. You know? Past God. it seems more and more love to look at ourselves now and look at the past as, well. They didn't know back then, but we know now. what a strange time this this adolescent period of of enlightenment where they're just still was he was he became a Christian on

1:14:30 Like everyone knows where it came from. They found them in clay pots in Qumran This is how we're gonna live our lives? Fuck those dudes with their telescopes. Well, it is! Exactly. Yeah, but when you also think about it This was how could we possibly have believed this? reap advantages like the president or, I mean, I think it's a very complicated social and even political problem,

1:17:44 up. I would get up to take a shower at like 5 a.m. really um introspective questions like he was a good guy and And I think that's what matters. I think it matters less whether or It's a fantastic video that's just been put out recently. is in the bible and but when you even bring this up, people already, you're questioning their beliefs. Yeah, I've had conversations with people where they're fucking furious at me because I don't believe in their death touch

1:20:21 That represents like such an important part of their life it's just so lucky And I wonder how similar that is to someone's escape from a faith. And he's like, no, no, no, I've seen this before. step in with the answers like Trump is a great example so we have to create A hundred percent. for developing human potential. And I think those are highlighted in the realm of martial arts because if you can land a kick and you knock someone out then that

1:24:37 Did you give everything you had? training where you would rather just blow it off and don't go to class by work brought you to a point in which you would tap somebody out. Americans consistently score in the bottom quartile in terms of their math and science, how well they did comparatively. yeah yeah no it's you could get a lot of the lessons from martial arts out of a lot of difficult endeavors.

1:28:02 off of a mountain is uh being dominated by another human being getting your ass kicked in conflict where we have this long history of That's most of the history, being well you know amount of life that must be out there yeah you know like why haven't we been I wonder if that's just intrinsic in the nature of life. People are evil and people are horrible.

1:30:50 They're eating their eggs. oh, it's so evil, it's so awful. competition between eagles and salmon if the eagles eat all the salmon we're going to be pissed at the about some really important things and the recourse to oh i'm offended or i can't think When you watch those children scream at that professor at Yale, in enforcing these things, I think it's preposterous.

1:33:46 this guy's just making this. I put in this entire class is a trigger warning. Like the whole thing, A to Z. You had to write that? Not only is it in the syllabus. Okay. That's on NMSNBC that Dave Rubin tweeted today, which is one of the dumbest fucking things I've never seen so many microaggressions in, the moral landscape in that class. is there a way to make a cross cultural job?

1:35:56 They're just – and in a sense, I understand that because it's a theft of one's time. insane or did I say something that was really horrible what were the micro yeah okay so he's a white guy so now we can really drill down on this and think about this You're too far gone because you, like, start, or you mentioned Star Trek. You're too far gone. Repent, Peter.

1:38:44 No, she was Hispanic. Ricardo Mandelbaum. reality. So she thinks, I can understand if I say something and he's offended by it, or I say, No, but she's Asian. hadn't heard of Star Trek was Asian. white culture? I was so confused. When you're a regressive leftist, every single thing you think of is race, gender, oppression, intersectionality, which is parenthetically, I have never heard any...

1:41:55 will be some kind of smear campaign. I got to get in trouble. She identified me on the basis of their race. Do you use cisgendered? Do you use that term? Well, okay do you use cisgendered use that term uh well we're okay Meaning if you are a male and you identify as being a male, by the original word, So now why do these people do this? Douglas Murray. He said, we're going to be talking about pronouns are the big thing now. We're going

1:45:21 went on to grad school, got their master's and their PhD, started teaching, never entered the real world, redefine reality absolutely in this area they're not they're not going out into the real world and You'd be basically a cool person. and these people have really done a number on me, Prt it Ive vituperative. It means like you know a nasty name-calling son of a bitch. I'm gonna call someone that one day

1:48:02 Well, if I can i think i can find parallels accepted but but they're in I was again on. But they're imposing it on others. You can test ideas. Go ahead. And now it's the age of Twitter and- Like, we need to be able to have conversations. and I think I have evidence for this, overwhelming evidence actually, this is a They're the worst type of ideologue because they have beliefs, but they haven't derived those beliefs.

1:53:01 You're 100 percent right. You're 100 percent right. You couldn't be more right about that aspect of this whole dilemma that they are trying to stop the debate, because I think part of them knows what they're doing is ridiculous. Just like the Qigong master that wants to shoot you across the room. can have a conversation with that guy he's sincere sincere. That person's sincere. They're saying, this is what I believe.

1:54:56 You figure out why feminists are in bed with Islamists. It's true. You can mock Christians. And I think there's a lot of sexism. overtly masculine. have her tits poking out but it's this idea that these people they think that they can dictate to other people how they should live. He was at the UFC this past weekend. He enjoys breaking records. My point is, like, there's no...

1:58:40 this feeling that this guy is becoming this thing that you find oppressive, even if he's not doing anything. We're all born blank slates and all of know, it's all of these disparities and inequalities They think that the differences between men and women are not biological. I mean, the whole thing is just, it is literally, if you could say, well, let's make a list of all

2:01:40 like to reinforce those on everybody because it makes life simpler right well if you think the because you need to test these ideas to see if they work. It doesn't matter what your commitment is. about diversity and about equality that I think we all agree with. I mean, I think you shouldn't You know, I have friends that have friends I can't fucking stand.

2:04:28 If you have those people in your life, they will overwhelm you with their issues and you Like, what do you care? It's never been like this where you could just write something. No. No, the Pope. and he went back and liberated the same concentration camp. And there's something that's a literal pecking order Chicken seven gets pecked by all the chickens

2:07:14 really and here's the reasoning for that chicken seven has been has been plucked story looking at you with all the tattoos and his son wanted to get a you have communities with people, and that gets, they're kind, they're trustworthy. You have communities with people. I mean, you have a bond. Neither one of those people do jujitsu, right? Yeah, you're practicing breaking each other's arms.

2:10:29 and it's also a good aspect of jiu-jitsu. And your body is designed for that. And in doing that, if I get it out of my system, I'm tranquil. defend themselves. We know this because we have been personally humiliated as an average person uh, very, He's a super good guy. And yeah, when you're around him. Yeah, it's like how you tie a belt around a gi.

2:13:43 You don't have to earn it. And then the instructor realized immediately that this guy was on a black belt. this is one of my favorite videos is these guys in Harlem. because I'm going to step over here, and I'm going to attack with a chicken wing, There's no monkey paw. i do i think that a lot of those guys if they're just found the correct path they,

2:16:35 he does. they pretend and they love to, Buddhist Zen dude who likes to do peyote no you're you're real clear you know what I mean if you have, if you're not willing to question it and you find someone else who's also not willing I'm just fixing the world. come after postmodernism. when someone is $14 These patterns are like they protect you from having to be vulnerable and real.

2:20:25 Yes, authenticity is the perfect word. Like, I do feel that it's important that people are laboring under beliefs about reality, Yes. I mean it was fucking shackled and stopped because everyone they're gonna sell babies Like, I'm totally cool with you sitting here and you talk about all these guys. years. I barely paid attention and I only did it because I didn't want people to think I was a

2:22:55 But where is formality now? it is um it is just like religion yeah and and that's what my friend Kurt Metzger was saying he gets angry at it, you know? and even to a certain extent in the sciences. That's where I haven't heard it interfered with, except for the idea of promoting more women in science and there's somehow or another some sexism involved in science.

2:24:56 But that's different because it's physical. then you're making it more difficult to win. people, if you say, well, there's not enough women here, we need to find more women. There we have to shut down the discourse because someone's going to be offended. Of course, I would think that we would want that. What we're looking for is to bring people into these disciplines that may not have had the opportunity and that might be

2:28:31 they're underrepresented so we want more people in the discipline in as long as look that's not bad to think about it but the other problem is in meritocracy matters we need we need to if anything Like, truly one in a million. He got it. Look, this is what I think we need to do. Oh, sorry. and this is an enormous problem this is going to come back to haunt us. But the solution to that problem is not diversity

2:32:45 if you think that those people shouldn't get an equal shot at things as well. That gives them, that's their ticket to discredit what I'm saying that's the that's why people they use that as an excuse to not put a proposal forward that says or an idea, well, I don't think, you know, hiring should be this way. Now, we need to be conscious and careful that we don't do that.

2:34:56 And if I have privilege, I want to be conscious of that. Think about that. They were invited to listen. about some issues that maybe they would understand intimately that you or I wouldn't because we're You and me. it's bad, then it'd be like I'm denying people an opportunity. So I don't think that's the best way to frame it. Right. The problem with that, one, I asked my buddy who's an appellate court judge and he said one, he said he thinks it's unwise or his son actually said this. He didn't

2:37:29 Good luck with that so you're right so you're so it's not right so you you're creating an opportunity for people who are genuine racists to undermine the whole system but the other thing is like i think it's important you me. Explain that to all I know. So you're shutting down possibilities for people who don't understand Well, they're horrible. Right.

2:39:44 got together and they got drunk and There's a big lawsuit. but they decided that he had committed sexual assault because they were both drunk and they could not consent. It also, it's ridiculous because how come you are responsible for your own actions in every other realm? But there's a big thing amongst people online that are trying to say this and pass it on.

2:41:35 So I was going to say that's a cultural problem. Parking spaces are huge. So those administrative guys is a microaggression. You want to hear a couple quick stories? And she hands me this note. And so you can get out of it if you have a jury duty, military orders, doctor's note, excuse from my boss's And I look and say, is it a friend? I'm like, oh, that's great.

2:43:45 I'm like, you have a problem with that? I mean mean i can pull the same regressive card that they can you you're I'll spell it out for you every time. Is that possible? I just switched. It's like, whoop! If you feel different sexually, if you're pansexual, Yes. He's a 52 year old man I identify with trees. It's part of the problem with not being able to.

2:47:12 fucking noise that means it's like my issue with this whole Caitlyn Jenner You just laughed. My dad's name is Joe. they're feminine it's some noises they're You have no rules. These moments, I call them green lights. You know, Yeah. It's, it's awkward. Right. you know, could you just- Cool. Yes, we did. We just did three hours. Anything else? Peter Bregosian, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back at 2 p.m.