Joe Rogan Experience #743 — Phil Demers Transcript

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0:00 Was the correct pronunciation of your last name Demers? Demers. Demers. Demers works. Well, let's explain to everybody who is unfamiliar. compared to Marine Land. Really? I quit amidst a- But you were a trainer, and I think you opened up a lot of people's eyes to it. There's something weird about this. that said they would never go to sea world or marine land again and then they realized really

3:15 They have a fucking language. So they're already the absolute top predators of the sea. So now orcas are now going into territories that they never had before. Jesus Christ. They eat dolphins too, which is kind of fucked up. they are evil, evil, evil different than animals treat animals so animals are fucking mean as shit to each other. I mean, that's tough to watch.

6:42 So they don't always kill things. They eat a lot of moose, like moose calves and uh deer fawns they eat them like as they're coming out they actually smell the placenta predator prey relationship, having a look at the monkeys and being like, you know, you know, when I take a look at the factory farming things and whatnot. You know, there's a reality to the world.

9:02 Three that I claim as my own. And it's real cold. I mean, Eugene is an amazing and loving cat. From something that wants to kill you exactly you might be too weak to get away from a wolf or you might be you know Until recently. raise a cow yourself and go through that whole thing, I have a few friends that do it. I have It sounds like a contradiction, right? You know, loving your animal, but killing it.

12:45 but, then. Fuck people who eat meat. cat food i'm sure it exists i'm sure i haven't heard about it but even ethically sourced cat cat forum, vegan cat owners and you know hashtag cruelty free and these fuckers they And it's a question of, really, it's a question of how willing are you to sacrifice? I lived in South Korea for a while, and this is a country that was leveled back in the mid-50s.

15:25 and you have this relationship with them and you have area. Of course. Like, what the fuck, man? You know? And when you go up to him, you're like, what's up dude. And he's always like super happy It's part of their evolution. I get more food a Radiolab podcast I'm agreeing with you. I thought there was a large debate about this, and this was figured out back in the mid-90s.

17:55 Their ears had become droopy. their hair starts growing thicker and longer their nose extends their tusks grow larger they become a for a male pig. boars. There's a different type of Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing that dogs are a lot like people in that way, sorts of different shapes and looks. Only me. The fact alone that you got close enough So they're like, oh, my my god what are we gonna do so they decided to capture these cats and try to get them home so

21:45 I've got to get to know this little dude. I've seen cats attack humans, and it's violent, man. A full-blown cat, you just can't train him. even whatever he got from his mom and his dad like the genes that were passed down those are genes of When you're out in wild and you see wild nature, dealing with but it's just so fascinating when they're there i'm i encourage everybody i mean

24:34 I mean, I don't want to say there's none. They've done it with some animals. I'm not doing that, and I don't think any hunters are trying to do that. consequences they put you in jail and because of these rules and enforcing these ethics they've just because I kill them and eat them. When I cook a steak of an elk that I ate and I grill that thing and I eat it, There's a connection that I have to that meat that's crazy.

27:14 I'm connected to that animal. Get up on that microphone, my friend. The best of my recollection was just eating that animal. It's as if my message is worth nothing. I tried not to. It was just like last night. It's tricky, right? Look at this. That makes sense. For years you've been telling your friends, family, co-workers. is a real thing. The study published

30:29 Cheese happens to be especially addictive because of an ingredient called casein. Called casomorphins. You know what I've been eating lately? I'm the largest hypocrite. alternative. Because I guarantee you that shit is filled with sugar. I go, look at the label and look how much sugar is in it. And if you go over that, you're like, whoa, you're fucking with your body there.

33:05 It's pouring like fucking crazy. I couldn't wait three days for me to... Nature is a thing that we avoid in California. There's no weather. I've got to get in there before California runs out of water. to DirecTV. Figure it out, Just get those giant planes filled with water and just dump water on everybody. where they just have ungodly amounts of money.

35:38 He did. Yeah, I heard Fiji is just some fucking, just some spring water from the middle of nowhere. Yeah. Why are we not using the salt water in different capacities that we're not imposing so much? Like old cars, it's hard to find. Amount right, but grinding it down fuck almonds. That's what I have to say dude fuck them And again, I've read somewhere where plants can actually hear when they're being eaten.

38:40 If we were swimming around with them trying to stay alive, they'd be like, And there is a lot of evidence to suggest that these aren't inanimate objects like a plants come from discouraging predation that's what that's what it's all about it's funny because one of the cruelest things i'd ever watched and maybe it's because i have a vivid imagination but

40:19 And they go... Protest them. That's what it really is. What happened? Is it growing here? Is that what we're watching? This is all just growth though. We're watching like high speed, but we're not gonna watch it eat anything Jamie Just do it from the beginning. It's over. That is so fucked up. Look at that. It's just, that's what those plants have figured out is their method to get ahead.

43:42 Oh my God. Yeah, nature's a tough place. I want to take my kids with me. Backstrap and turn into steaks in the middle of the kitchen just sitting there with a cutting board slicing it up and they ask questions It's like you're in Jurassic Park. It's like you're in Jurassic Park. They have this crazy wail. And that's what they're doing. They have these tourism things they do in Africa, but a good percentage of them are in these high fence operations where they've sort of fenced in these animals in these giant contained wildlife sanctuaries.

47:37 And this thing was so, I mean, a rutting deer is actually a pretty dangerous animal. directly through the animal, didn't kill it, got a second the most dangerous animal out there for you. And we saw him in the distance. Like, the biggest elk that I killed And he was like holy shit, and he realized like oh my god like this is fucking this could be it

50:16 about sea world and about marine land and just the idea of captive orcas and dolphins and in your case walruses well so the plunked yourself some dolphins in there. And that was fine. There were no standards of care. There And we're not talking about it, just a regular slough. chlorine. taking videos. There was no oversight. a liberal Senator by the name of,

53:13 It's Bill 203, I believe. And yeah, we're really trying to, a gross revenge on me, We've spent collectively over the three former animal trainers that are turned whistleblowers, we've collectively wild-caught animals, So that's one of the things that SeaWorld was full of shit about, because SeaWorld was trying to say, we haven't done, like one of their commercials was saying that they haven't,

55:43 It was, you know, it was by itself. had that animal, Morgan, the wild orca, transferred to Loro Par Park. And now it's actually part and listed as part of its collection. But the nice thing is most people are now conscious of it. That they can just say we haven't There's a lot of facilities where the dolphins are spy hopping and they can see the sea.

57:52 And that if they do decide to come and participate in shows, they could do it on their own free will. so you don't have to worry about them starving to death in a while. They want seaside sanctuaries where which these animals remain in human care but that's what people are advocating for, really, and be sick, or that the transition itself from captivity

59:45 The issue that was raised is that there are no seaside sanctuaries yet. Well, their net worth, or rather their company valuation when they did their initial public offering was in and around $2 billion. Yeah. They're up today. Pump your money in the SeaWorld. Human he was trying to get them to speak human languages like way back in this. I guess it was like the 60s

1:01:39 Let me just jerk him off real quick. And I've worked with dolphins, or trying to bridge the communication was pretty, I mean, which is one of my favorite things in the world. Yeah've yet to do it I can't wait to though. I'm gonna how long you here for I'm here till I leave innovation back when no one did um i had a guy who was fixing my tank and um you know i had an

1:03:44 I've heard you say that you find it like incredibly therapeutic and just clear your mind take you to places where you can think over when you get in, but mine is like seven feet tall and like nine feet long. It's huge. It's a great source of magnesium your skin is absorbing the magnesium. I was cleaning my office. And I'm like, look what I got to get in the tank, and then I got in the tank.

1:05:00 It was a good trip because it was a New was a new year's eve trip it was like I am going to do this this year year I'm going to like how many people They're going to quit smoking. it's very easy to fall right back into them. I'm like, you know, maybe if I get out of the fucking bathtub, go for a jog or something. Yeah, your mind to your problems when I'm amidst

1:08:26 they weren't fucking bills. It's more instinctual. Yeah, it's like there's a physical problem Like you know when you roll with people that you love like your friends with you slap hands You see a lot of tweets. Yeah. We've unearthed a lot about sort of how he operates. Here's the video. is the water. see slows right down and he just wants to intimidate of course he has no idea that i'm there

1:11:38 Anyways. The police refused to lay any charges because they said, So nonetheless, the police wouldn't do anything. I mean, I guess people with money can skirt the law, They're seeking a cost motion where I'm to pay the legal fees, which they're claiming upwards of $100,000, to try to get this summons against him. How do we help you? but I do ask for a lot of people.

1:14:29 Of course, significant legal fees. but yeah, it's an important one. It's savesmooshy.com. So when these lawsuits started to fly, So Save Smooshy. It did. Okay, here we go. You can share it on Facebook and or rather consciousness, to know of. He had the city's support, which is not, again, we're up against a lot of forces, if you will. Allegedly. And heartfelt appreciation for having me back on.

1:18:59 So we think it's OK because we've been doing it for a long time. but we don't know what it's... walrus. And I'll just do a quick, uh, summary of it is that she, at one point believed that I was This walrus knows me intimately, when there was real threat against me. gate between us so she smashed up against those bars really aggressively harping on him yelling

1:21:32 They kind of waddle, right? There's a video on YouTube, which is actually hilarious, man oh it didn't happen whatever oh but there was a number of examples of that actually there's And of course the, I mean, John's a little guy, right? he's handing information. There was no laws. Oh, yeah. All it is is information. Oh, let me hear the beginning where he said he'd bury him.

1:24:31 Oh, you'd kill me right here. leaflets he's a great guy mike's a great guy i'm trying to support him as well he's being sued of Of course, Marine Land will say an inflated price. Because of that right there. I think he owes in the range of $6,000 or $7,000 at this point. If you do help, I'll put it up online, Yeah, this is courtesy of Lofty Towers.

1:26:43 I don't know if it actually does. He's worth more money than I can even conceive. yeah exactly right all about hookers and coke until the heart stops he likes to hunt you think I haven't, but I'm learning about Bill Burr now, actually, and I find his comedy amazing. He's just, he's the real deal. He was pegged for being the guy. And I assume that Marineland is still making money.

1:29:51 It's hosted by an investigative journalist, Jesse Brown. They've vowed to sue to what they call judgment. He's suing Americans. I'll just say nice things to him. I love this quote. you're going to look like an ugly monster. to a certain extent, and he's experiencing the ramifications Marine captivity of mammals like that is fucking disgusting. they could sue you. I mean, I don't know. I'm not a lawyer, but this is my understanding of what was

1:32:59 Instead, they give us this glorified janitor. I'm going to present to you the net losses, financial losses that I'm claiming. to give context to the lawsuit. That's what it's all about? the video, you see the killer whale bleeding like crazy. I don't know how you can call that golden labs. These are puppy dogs. They're not coyotes. He's going to lawyer up.

1:35:02 I don't understand how the courts Well, fuck that. Or he has to drop the charges. done is essentially, or what I believe they've So I was having to find another one. It's an abusive process. So I get to look forward to resetting my life Call me an activist. That'd be great for the book. That's another thing. That's the problem. Writing a book. Thankfully, Ontario passed what's called anti-slap legislation.

1:38:21 This was our home run, dude. It's insanity, man. Kathleen Wynn. God damn it. But I'm not discouraged. It's just so bizarre that no one from the government recognizes what a horrible thing this is. and she's not a member of the Liberal Party. The king? I'm like, I wish we had a candidate for the United States president like that. fuck you can't just step in you'd think you'd tap on the shoulder now granted uh uh i remember

1:41:07 he was continuing going up until 2012 at least. and then that your counter lawsuit cause it appears that it's going to be the will of the people versus the I hold, get away with this he hasn't gotten away with it yet i ain't done but he's getting away with what It's as simple as that. oh shit. Why do I not know the date of this? Let's, uh, let's call it October 17th, I believe

1:43:16 If any single person finds me in that video, Well, it's not going to happen, right? I'll give them $1.5. That's what they're trying to sue you for? $1.5 million? Yeah, that's the guy who essentially is... Put it this way. That's what they're trying to sue you for? Oh, let's call it a million bones. across the border? So, have you gotten Did they get a lot of

1:44:38 Send people to that. What about Mostly in Canada, right? Yeah. around i said fuck you're being you're being watched like and he's just like you know i think so Outsite, if you're listening. looking for something what other businesses that guy have they're all in-house businesses but yeah speak out and and not be anonymous and uh he shortly thereafter actually passed away. And he was my age. How did he die?

1:47:20 that maybe you resort to methods Yeah, cheers. we've not received an iota of help in fact i asked them look can i just get a tweet out of you guys No no no Oh mass graves Here's the donate to PETA Yeah it's tough man Phil Demers says, no, no, no, no, no. Donate here and then donate to PETA. Down at the bottom, here's the donate to PETA. the guy who's throwing arrows

1:48:41 PETA's like really, Fair enough. they had to ask permission from the California Coastal Commission So what SeaWorld basically said was, okay, well, A, they've considered not doing it altogether. for breeding, no, they're not going to do it. They should step it up and just make the whole fucking thing illegal. I mean, I wish there was a way that they could hook up a fucking machine to a pond or a pool where an orca is and have that orca communicate and have it broken down to English.

1:51:24 Dolphins and whatnot have reason that well maybe not the orcas but uh dolphins and whatnot have reason to Faroe Islands is they grab these hooks Maybe historically it has been, but it's pretty brutal. Keep it in the history books. Well, it's one got the photos, if you will. The history's there. Let it be there. Keep it in the history books. You can't tell me you can't just go grab a couple eggs and make yourself an omelet.

1:53:17 animals and these hunters are driving around fucking porsches and shit it's not because They take the more aesthetically pleasing ones. In Japan they eat dolphin? poisoning people so people are really getting away from that but more than not i think it's front to facilities and the, So they're ramping it up. Yeah, the Yulin Dog Festival. I watched that the other day on TV.

1:55:37 I mean, it is what it is. This one, it's not. Awesome. Eh, not my kid. Of course. Yeah. Are decimated And they basically said and they're just grinding the ocean floor, I mean, Nobu and get that, If you're in a country And unfortunately, Paul Watson is considered a terrorist in a lot of countries and can't And they've documented this. It's not, though.

1:59:25 I am that person right now who's saying to himself, damn, I wish I could be on that fucking show. I love it. I should mention, these are pretty comfortable. Well, they move well, but here's the most important thing. I feel right now, like I just sat down like it doesn't you know that's actually like the ufc has um you know they use the chairs that are there at the

2:02:10 You're familiar with ag gag laws? You know, Marine Land sort of gets creative in sort of creating their own little ag gag Like, you can go to jail for exposing something that makes people sick. You're hiding facts. Hiding truth, hiding reality, I have my own chickens, They run over and they lay eggs and I take the eggs. tasted as good as eggs i don't think there'd be an issue, but the periods don't taste up Jesus come on. How dare you taste like a penny? What's wrong?

2:05:39 and roots and all natural things that pigs eat and that's what he does with free and when you get eggs from those kind of chickens they're a dark orange like a really dark Decided that we're gonna do is we're gonna take this hawk and get it to a wildlife rescue organization this is going to die. It's not, we, it has to eat milk. It's only been alive for a few days.

2:07:54 I don't know how that works but I knew it. Like, this chicken couldn't pause to try to eat this because all the other chickens knew what it had, a couple times and one time i almost killed one of them because it pecked her face and um my wife They have the fucking brain of a pencil eraser, okay? They're little predators, man. Like my lawn is filled with grass.

2:10:10 So that's the thing we've got to be scared of most is chickens that are going to get big. meat is a drug. They would eat a baby. The shark was like three feet long. And as they're reeling it in, they've got this shark. Those they taste good though you ever have a grouper sandwich? When I go fishing, you don't want to keep your 11-pound walleye. How big they get?

2:12:23 Eight feet. That could no idea. Eight feet. Look at the size of that thing. I was staying an eye behind you. the more you learn about it. Now that's an evil predator is that giant squid It looked like it was in a bay somewhere. Looked really close to boats it's crazy to look it was allowing thing would be 100 feet long and they found thinking by the size of the tentacles this thing would be a hundred feet long and

2:14:38 When it had died, the tentacles had left an imprint on the ground on the bottom of the ocean. We're discovering stuff every day. I mean, it is a wild world. I know, right? It's awesome. You never know when that Periscope broadcast is going to happen. Well, we're going to help you, man. Until then, much love.