Joe Rogan Experience #749 — Carlos Condit & Erwan Le Corre Transcript

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0:00 Is it live? So, first of all, for folks who are not aware of the situation, what's going on, Carlos, It's really kind of fascinating. and be in a position to constantly be able to do that in between those techniques. I'll reach out to Carlos. to reverse that to improve right and that this is actually that comment that made me think But we didn't know each other back then. And I was following an older guy, and we would do these trainings

4:30 meant to live such predictable lives and we're actually we're supposed to be extremely adaptable a perception If I had followed the box, the textbooks, the conventions, It's a philosophy. of the the the naturalistic persuasion yeah um so uh first first impression of There's a lot of different things to do. I can move. play I can focus at certain times then go fuck around at other times and

8:17 that it doesn't take, but when guys say it doesn't take, I always wonder if they were training too hard, too quick. So I have a good friend who's a orthopedic surgeon and he told me that it's strong initially It's going to be stronger than it was before. But that's not really true, right? I couldn't do hardly any of this stuff, and I'm a high-level athlete, and it was frustrating.

10:07 They have particular days for strength and conditioning, and it's all sort of designed I have to take more time off than I did before. do a lot of different things. They, they use some, uh, uh, biofeedback, uh, uh, uh, software that They can, you know, you've got a little dumb screen that shows you blue or green, thing then i think so i i think so and that's hard

13:25 pretty much yeah we would go uh you know block out uh maybe three or four hours um later in the week just taxed, taxed you neurologically. Um, and, um, like, I don't know know you could probably tell you more about what is he uh what's he babbling i like perspective is for movement. It's not to discuss fine wine or the history of art, which is great,

16:34 more uh or new techniques i i told carlos carlos listen you've been training for 13 years you are extremely seasoned extremely experienced a lot of energy to get that. And that may seem presumptuous, but when I talked to him about it, what I saw that could be improved, The position of his back foot is orientated at a 90-degree angle. like something like a width, shoulder width or a hip width.

20:25 my old habits. You're going to, especially when you're tired or you're stressed or you're in I think that was the reason I was able to get in, get inside, And with that, like sort of Lyoto Machida style, Gunnar Nelson likes to fight like that. and uh he's he's extremely focused actually when he trained there was like no it was like a zero But Carlos was able to change things really fast, actually,

23:42 a big part of it right is just patterns and getting those patterns ingrained in your system that what's that's what stimulated carlos brain that much that he had to to take a nap after every work a little bit on it, not a whole lot, but then the next time I would come back, But it looked like I did because I feel like, There's what you're doing. And I found that to be really interesting.

27:08 And that's the reason why there are so many sensors, nerve terminations in the feet, Does it give some traction and gives order So we talk about the strength of the foot. It has to work as a whole. So the proof is in the pudding, as Carlos would always say. like that. And you got one leg up here and your arm is stretched know like you're doing like bow pose or something like that you

30:53 no challenge to the body. There's no challenge to the feet. The feet become numb. The feet And it is footwork, but it's also more than that. Very smart. You know, it's not an Achilles tendon. and then just stay in that position completely locked in. what you're on the ball but like this kind of stuff like when you were doing these kind of that are not fighting movements.

35:24 in every session to what I saw was working, what I saw was not working, company you have this website and yeah we have uh we have thousands of certified trainers who are using thousands So what is it that they were training? And when you look at it today, Do you get like housewives? Do you get athletes of all sports? Do you design a protocol specifically for her?

38:41 You see Carlos jumping. compromise his recovery in any way That wouldn't make any sense. They put them on a treadmill that's sort of self-propelled, Yeah. They don't even move. lack of diversity. That's like four things, right, throughout our day. We're not doing that by this boring-ass shit. um and go to the gym uh and they will with machines. I see a huge problem with that.

43:51 but when you do try to isolate your muscles you're treating yourself like you're a freaking because basically we're able to do whatever the fuck we want in there So we established a strategy, I proposed a movement strategy to Carlos and he when he talked to Greg Jackson about his game playing And it slows down the movement, and then you also lose accuracy and power and accuracy.

47:12 And I feel like traditional martial arts really emphasize you don't go past this point until you've mastered this thing. Get him in shape. But if you have that, you can always go back and work on that other stuff. But it almost seems like maybe sometimes it's against your benefit when you're training because when you're training, you almost should be looking at it like a science.

49:34 He's a legitimate jiu-jitsu master, world champion. And he runs right through him because his technique is samurai sword sharp. He didn't have all the other attributes of MMA. Maybe not a master in necessarily anything. But if you spent five years and did nothing but jiu-jitsu every day and started competing in the Mundiales and Abu Dhabi and Naga and all that shit.

51:43 His style had been created. Yeah. Well, him and some other guys kind of got together and created this thing. grappling school it was gaido jitsu right gaido jitsu yes sir his style that he had created yeah wins or something were by submission, He's this excellent striker. And I think that that's one of the real problems with guys who are specialist strikers is that when you fight a guy who's a specialist striker,

53:39 Well, I thought that would actually be to your benefit Yeah. When the fuck has that ever happened? That's fucking never happened, man. just goddamn chaos I mean that to me is all of the the scariest aspects of MMA I didn't know where I was. breath and then boom you're getting another one crashing down upon you and um you are you know Yeah, yeah. it's like he believes that when a fighter comes to him or when a fighter is preparing for a fight,

58:03 than the benefits of just consistently working on skill training and drilling and all these other things. anything along those lines I visualize I do but I've done this quite a bit you Just love that guy. like oh man i don't i don't know how well this i don't know if i want to watch this he's a nice There's no one answer. When I watch, like, your fight with tiago alves you can't

1:00:29 And when he hit Matt Hughes with that flying knee. If I zig when I should have zagged, I'm catching a shin upside my head and there's going to be bone exposed. So you have all this time building up to this one moment. You have all these things. there and then fucking scared as shit. And I don't want to do this anymore. And I really just have to may be an early night for me. It may be a terrible night, but that's out of my control. I, I gave,

1:03:55 like injuries, that's the, I mean, it could be a phenomenal night. What's your feelings on weight cutting? wouldn't you think that that would be a better way to compete, The athletic Commission's are sleeping on a potential time bomb Yeah. Yeah, well, let them try to game that system. We're doing this for a very brief period of time in our lives, it to the they don't make it to the wayin because their system isn't used to eating like this.

1:08:29 so than I think what the Who would have thought that? That's amazing. A couple of those guys man. I would have thought that that guy was taking steroids that's crazy who See, urine and blood for eight years. And that's what Yoel Romero got caught for, for some designer peptide which artificially increases your body's own Yeah, and with Lance Armstrong, one of the interesting things was everybody was dirty.

1:10:41 But with Armstrong, like, none of those guys Well, another important distinction about these bans and about the banning of IV rehydration is now you can't blood dope. It's wild, yeah. check for pig veins testosterone the youngs are manly manly yams I've always said I and those who control those. amount of EPO and the amount of blood in your system by constantly exercising. You have to

1:14:59 That's where it becomes a huge issue. I mean, you've done it to a bunch of guys inside the octagon, and it could have been you. Ramifications is the right word. its mechanisms and all the things they can do to it is being sort of deciphered and tweaked and And they're doing so in small animals and small multicellular organisms. tiny people and Corellon was this fucking

1:17:40 if you release your grip, scary that guys would try to So he's essentially knocking them the fuck out with the mat where everybody else was wrestling. Science doesn't stop Yeah, that's just 50 years ago You'll fucking freak out. Wow. Yeah, I told him dude Yeah, Bonac Man. Especially in Japan, they're really big on all these robotics innovations. And you need that kind of assistance.

1:22:16 just wheel you over to your car you ooze your way into the car and they push you in and shut the I love that movie. Like in the Wall-E world, the that movie in the end not being able So I don't think it's good or bad. society where every individual would be would would consider their own health and movement ability as somewhat their personal biological duty.

1:25:12 You're just going to be in shape. Somebody else will. That sounds like some Illuminati type of thing. But you don't have to go into a conspiracy theory to think about, are you in control? Because I'm saying there's going to become a time in the future where there are no natural athletes because there's no natural people. We're probably, yeah, we're just a few years away from being symbiotically connected to electronics.

1:27:08 to call my house. I fucking barely know And the bad shit that comes with it, right um so you know what 50 years ago they started or maybe longer i don't know uh they trans fats and corn syrup Less people are dying from fucking listeria outbreaks and that sort of thing. The people are listening to us, with with any of this stuff I mean it will become the norm if somebody's

1:29:51 What? It's wild, yeah. What? They're probably still around. These little tubes go up your nose. Well, that's one of the things that I love about forests and trees is that you can physically feel the difference in the air natural food and I need to try to make my even my my house a bit more complex is your diet like when you're training do you have someone who monitors that stuff do you have a

1:32:32 they were, they're pretty much aligned. We have a little bit different approaches. Um, Yeah. basically talked me taught me about macronutrients That's like my hobby. i am not i'm very much a novice yeah uh but uh you know i'm learning and uh is anybody teaching And Carlos already knew that he was going to fight Robbie Lawler. colorado are the spots in this country new mexico is the best place to just live really you think

1:36:12 it's a lot of hippies. You got a scarf Fuck you. No, I have a profound love for this like Stone Age apartment kind of buildings. That's insane. Santa Fe is an hour away. Mescalero, Apache Reservations. So with regards to the bow hunting stuff, feel where i'm going boom i i did i i hunt in like a like minimal boot so i can you know i can feel Yes. banned the five-finger shoes

1:40:04 are just not ready that's not the point that's not it's there's much many more benefits beyond just making your feet tougher it's so And if you don't, then you will make your feet weaker. and, and, and get, get fatigued, I need, I throw on some, some regular old running shoes, Well, forgive my French. I just when I have to do the math in my head as to what you said

1:42:58 And then you remove the footwear. The bow hunting practice was, yeah, these balancing movements, the point was not just the movement itself. Because the movement part in the environment part is already, it's not there. where a lot of guys are getting in extremely good shape to be able to run the mountains So you have to be in physical shape to be able to do that kind of hunting.

1:46:07 maybe holding a stick that represents a rifle or a bow or it could be a camera if you're move so the more comfortable your movement the more fluid the more second at before with the the bow hunting is uh and with regards to your diet like do you eat wild game or If you're health conscious and if you're aware of what you're taking in on a regular basis,

1:48:34 as opposed to buying something in a nice little neat package It feels better to eat it. I'm good. How so? I would get like a kind of insulin dump, be tired for a little while. I have, you know, 40-plus professional have you know 40 plus professional you know fights you I mean, fairly big, relative, relatively big meals. starts absorbing fat instead of carbohydrates.

1:52:53 I remember, so my first kickboxing fight ever, I fought a guy named Andy Sauer. His record at the time, I remember. So I was 12 and 0 as an MMA fighter. 93-1. and we didn't know what the fuck we were doing with with regards to the weight cut at the time I'll do that. Oh, my God. I weighed in in the morning and then fought about maybe eight or nine hours later.

1:54:56 Holy shit. I was all fucked up. I went down to the gym. What a fucking crazy matchup that is. Well, for you, for a guy like you, you could handle it. So shootboxing, I don't know if you're familiar, It was kickboxing with takedowns. and I think the rules were It was a good experience. how much it was. I did not. kind of like She got dropped, right?

1:58:06 landed a back fist oh this one yeah a regular back fist not a spinning back fist a regular He's probably younger than Anderson. Those were ruthless, yeah. Oh, wow. I think it was a draw. Jamie will pull it up. And they fined him a fuck I remember their fight And Hoyce choked him with his gi. I remember watching that going, Jesus Christ. Pat Smith fought some dude who was doing doing, like, they had his pre-fight video.

2:01:28 His whole head was essentially opened up. could take me down like we're out in the grass he think that he could take me down. Like, we were out in the grass. I got to start wrestling. But I always knew that wrestlers could take you down if they wanted to. It was just a whole new element. The place is sold out. I really got in on kind of the ground level.

2:03:53 I wanted to, as a young kid, none of this existed. And from then on, I was training to be something. at the time they didn't evolve or they didn't carry on or for whatever reason they stopped doing it you know your your gym has not just evolved but evolved to be one of the premier gyms in the world This guy has a Kenpo background. The guy's name is Chris Luttrell, and he cornered me for my fight against GSP.

2:07:01 I don't know if you know Tom Vaughn. as well. It's kind of crazy that there's Well, it's because they all came from the same original thing. That's why the Americana is named the Americana. Yeah. Hickson and... he was open enough he was but here's the thing to me uh i want to pay tribute to all coaches that they are They're standing on one hand and spinning around.

2:10:46 hip hop their rhymes and then there's Watch what this guy can do Well, these guys, when Eddie first started training them and rolling with them, he was amazed at how freakishly strong they were. Yeah, he can submit himself. There's a couple of kids that could put themselves in triangles like legitimately put themselves in triangles Oh, yeah. He's on one hand, and he puts his legs in full locus, standing on one hand, jumping up and down.

2:13:23 end result is the same it's the fight it's fighting but the methods to get there and to be proficient at it it boils down to the methods that you use I think, I don't know. independently and you know we're walking on logs and this and that. So he knew that you needed to be able to move in and out better. Let's work on that. Maybe just drill out how to do it. Yeah, let's work on that.

2:15:42 He can run. so He doesn't have so much weight on his front foot that he has to load and take another half second before he springs backwards. there's there is still some probably some uh skepticism you know what's this movement coaching And then I told Carlos, listen, this is what I believe we need to work on and just focus on. One of the guys is a young guy, and they're fighting on amateur and regional levels,

2:18:27 How did you even meet? of gymnastics. Pat Cummings and ultimately become a better fighter and be able to move his body better through, through space and, and ultimately I've been an athlete all my life, after the Robbie Lawler fight. But, you know, this has been a, this has been a long road. I don't go in there and not take damage. and gas themselves out trying to knock that guy out.

2:21:30 But I think that's what a lot of Nick Diaz's strategy is. So I was kind of used to that, Like, the Frank Shamrock fight, like, you could see Frank Shamrock going, I can't fucking believe this is happening to me. and try, try, try to get, you know, try, I mean, if you're not used to people that talk shit, when someone talks shit to you, it can be like emotionally devastating.

2:24:10 You get a little bit of that shit in your system and you're going to be okay. There had been some, but after the Diaz fight, I mean, you know that. Who are you talking about, who is the unique snowflake the person talking shit or the fighter I kind of love like Nate Diaz punching Michael Johnson in the face and then pointing at him. When Conor McGregor talks mad shit

2:26:05 You know, I mean, I like both but I prefer in a perfect world. I prefer martial artists by how much someone respects them. That similar situation at the weigh-ins with Ronda Rousey and Holly Holm. all this stuff and stuff. And she wrote all this stuff on instagram about her and holly's just standing there and then when i interviewed holly afterwards she goes well i was

2:28:00 Being overwhelmed by the moment is almost something that you can't prepare for. But you make him take a year off or take a long time off, well he's so crazy you could probably offer him brock lesnar he looked come on bring it on oh for Unfortunately. Dude, dude. But he done that to Pettis, man. Dude. Dude. I saw the video before the cowboy fight. Very similar.

2:30:29 I mean, a lot of people saw it your way. Could have gone either way. I feel like I should have the belt right now. If she beat, was it Jessica Ai? that people wanted to see among among any of the contenders that that that was the that was the one And I do too. fucking empty the tank you definitely emptied the tank. I mean, yeah, he was promised a fight.

2:33:36 But fuck, I'd love to see that again. Sounds good to me. Wanted that fight to be legendary and I think that it lived up to that. Oh, it was legend and it was one of the greatest Fights I've ever seen. Yeah, so I've probably called Yeah, I get it too. I still that's awesome well it was one of my and we're old and we're sitting around That's the legacy that I want to leave.

2:36:14 It was fun, man. It's because the strategy worked of higher volume and higher accuracy with those kicks to lower his aggressiveness, it worked. I didn't necessarily land a lot. You're keeping that distance. and he looked like Dominic Cruz against other guys and looked really well. You know? That was an interesting fight, a really interesting fight to watch.

2:39:21 Oh, yeah. And that's probably part of why he was able to come back and compete at the level that he did. that there's no such thing as octagon rust like i asked him about and he's like it's not real I agree with Carlos because in the absence of of actual movement training due So you need a brain that is extremely sharp. It was awesome. And then there's also yours, which is just Erwan LaCour.

2:42:12 Thank you, brother. Here we go. Thank you.