Joe Rogan Experience #759 — Cameron Hanes Transcript

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0:00 Jamie. I was in Salt Lake skiing with my family at the same time. And mounts and big cool stuff. YouTube. Some guy sent this, Your filthy hunting skill. Yeah, he's weird. honey i thought that was sort of like a compliment yeah so it's hence the shirt there's a there's I don't rely on anybody to feed my family. And this is where there's a big misconception here.

4:06 I guarantee we're gonna have a pleasant conversation. I'm a nice person right so when someone like And that's all you eat. There's not enough wildlife. They got boots on the ground and they're out there with the animals doing the number surveys, figuring out harvest numbers to try to achieve, carrying capacity. we're interfering also because of your house, you know, we're taking habitat. So we can't let the

7:09 before you and I started shopping at them. And that's a part of this equation of human beings. They're, they're, they're vegans. complicated numbers right and disputed they went with the extreme on one end. Anyway, he's in Wisconsin in this really cool area where it's the, you know, they have, people won't hunt them again and you know they really have to stop that i'm like man you gotta this is wolves are fucking cool and this is one of the

9:43 a little while and kill these fucking wolves and they killed the wolves and then went back to killing each other introducing Keystone predators into these areas where they haven't been No. And that's what pulled him up out of this. Well, it's I do want to say one thing, because we've talked about factory farming and, you know, the downside of it. No, they're certainly not.

12:54 Yeah, that's not good. these animals literally roam free and wild. with the idea of property of an animal being property and i i get that too man another thing shit. Yeah. Violent This is where you got to buckle yourself in because there's only one way you get that Exactly. pull it up jamie that someone someone sent me yesterday they did this like you cannot hunt

15:27 107. State is paying for something to do, so they're going in the hole Only five. So the younger ones are forced to go We're going to get into that in a moment, but I think this is what I'm trying to get at. Um, People hate that. For an antelope island tag, they give two tags. Jamie will find out. So it's a, you see that it's out into the Great Salt Lake and it's not, it's not a detached

18:55 funding the auction and doing all the things that's required there. 90% of that $410,000 park. And, you know, anti-hunters will say, well, if you really cared about the animals, you just, be taking a year off its life. And you're also, in a lot of cases, saving their lives because they get killed in fights with older deer. They slam into each other.

21:19 an extended period and the killing, the actual killing is such a small part of the hunt you know i mean it's those I mean, he was right there behind the bush. And that's life. And it's living the way it's lived for thousands of years and you you know you as a person who lives in Oregon and me as the animal survive because of that. You make it so that the younger bulls have a chance to thrive

23:51 and the two bulls were jostling around right there kind of sparring a little bit, Well, there's one of the most ridiculous things that you see when I look at your Instagram or I believe they are. their fucking page and one of them i i this guy was feeding his animals meat and i'm like did that Now, look, the only person that has any say, the only person that has a leg to

26:13 If you've ever driven by, if you've ever been into farmland and say where a field's been Birds. So, I mean. He wasn't even arguing with me. this motherfucker. But my point is, you were a meat eater and you're shitting all over these people. It's right and what's wrong. And he's like, he says, I'm going to have to answer for this or karma or some crazy thing.

28:41 Oh, my God. Everyone's it's but it's a part of their name like it's it's a big part of their identity and it becomes their thought process they think they're doing the right thing they think they're doing the right You know, there's a small percentage of people that are assholes, that are arrogant and outspoken every gas station has Slim Jims at the fucking counter.

31:02 All you fucking guys do is justify what you do. Good. mountains is hard as shit it is it is hard man yeah i i never knew until i went with ranella I mean, and you remember in Colorado when we were huffing it up that ridge, you know, He's not even breathing fuck he gets to the top of the mountain are able to close the distance in a much more efficient way because of all your training

33:31 one, there's a photo. And he goes, and I treat it almost like a baby. Or even buying a steak. And she does it more than I do. And it means so much. And for a hunter for, and I, I think, you know, as, um, just being a provider and just being like, like I always say, self, self-sufficient and doing it is hard. And I'm eating it with no reverence. It's fun because, you know, they can put a line in the water, and when they catch something,

36:55 They're crazy. I swear to God. But just shooting at that rubber elk is cool. They're cooler. Don't screw up my hunt. To yell at you And the first time you didn't do it I'm glad we had a conversation A lot of those people on that show eat meat. tigers what the fuck eats a grizzly jesus christ have you ever seen a grizzly lady yeah there's We can get them in their world, but we got to get the fuck out as quick as we can.

40:15 the woman from, um, like a fucking hundred yards from her house a A hundred yards from her house. Sounds like she lives in L.A. here, right? She's just so cool, too. she they she had to crawl back to her house the bear was just fucking her up because she was in and I want to you know me and Eva have been talking about getting together for a hunt. So just all joking around. I do just like people shooting bows.

42:45 Even if you don't like hunting, there's an amazing show called Uncharted. And he went to Afghanistan. Outdoor channel. They've set up these sort of rudimentary fences that they put in place to keep the crocodiles out of this area where these people gather water. It's a big animal, like a water buffalo. and they come up you know their eyes are just above the water.

45:01 So if you're going to hunt a crocodile with a bow, it has to be brain shot, drop them. So to do that, you have to get them so if you're gonna hunt a crocodile with the bow it has to be brain shot Right. Well, try to kill one. Yeah, Branlon is the mastermind behind the shooting of that show. is all about this guy who's combating against poaching in Africa.

47:30 which is very different from what you did in Africa. It can be, yeah. and it goes back to the same thing we were talking about the money for conservation the real money skulls, that's a perfect example why you need conservation. You can't just have people run out deer, turkey, when you talk, there's more of those species now than there's ever been?

49:56 in the areas where they are, they're And that's, you know, to get use of rivers and we need water so they have been pushed and now they're mountain animals And where'd that money come from? I think maybe close to 7 million now, or maybe even over. See that? Wow. No, that's got to be 1890s. American elk population... Less than $100,000 there's 750, so it wouldn't have

52:52 GoHunt.com. I think it's supposed to be 1890s. But the places they're in, it's like- state and they are they are big and there's a lot of Right. And they decimate herds of caribou, elk. And so bears will know that moose is pregnant. And so they're doing, they're just going to kill. I'm not going to judge them. are. And this is by biologists who are paid and who have went to school and have, who have studied

56:08 that they pay to kill these animals. They're not. that. It's just because they don't want to deal with This whole place was covered in ice 10,000 years ago. Are we gonna just let the mountain lion ate this fucking dude's cat. So what are we going to do? Are we going to just let the You know? That kid's gone. Oh. Oh, my God. See that photograph? Bear fight, far Rockaway, New Jersey, August 14th of 2014.

59:00 That's a giant bear. Watch this. Right. These bears are overpopulating and moving into these neighborhoods and they're doing it because they know that people live there place and they had this gigantic grizzly bear that they had gotten because look at the fucking giant chunks of fur they're tearing off of each other. It found food in someone's car once.

1:00:56 No. So they're on, you know. they're gorging on fish they get big it's just a high protein diet kind of like what you're on right now i'm on a high protein diet so you're like a high fat too yeah this this diet you know maybe is just someone who doesn't understand it's it's it's crazy ignorance and um the the idea that you Since apparently they cry and have emotions, you know,

1:03:09 So this is another named. chain are seeing that and they're like humanizing these animals the sheep don't care about anything I think we are. And I think with podcasts and with conversations on the Internet, at least information is getting to people that they weren't getting before. it doesn't make sense to you. These cities and this method of acquiring food where you just run a piece of plastic

1:06:25 You didn't even know that kid. But what I'm saying is if you could do it it would bring you a little They're communicating with each other in some sort of strange way. To eat fish but it's not okay to eat And people say to you, like, why don't you eat your dog? I'm not going to eat it. I bet. the best in the mountains. I think that the best that you can be the best I can be. Yeah. I

1:09:38 There's a certain pace that you can keep because you run mountains all the time that I'm just not capable of keeping right now. We're working together. Well, there's a great, this is a, there's a great time for that. And it's a, it's a, there's a great this is a great time for that and it's a it's a there's a great And it'll show a photo of his alarm clock going off

1:11:48 They definitely do. to so thank you for that and it branches off right it feeds into everybody and it's positive What are you doing? I know. It's a very ineffective form of communication. We would talk, but you're not here should we take a few calls away? can, you know, start putting things up on Twitter or Facebook or calling in life? Cause I've wondered, what am I, what am I doing? You know, when I was young,

1:15:42 Yeah. Like, I was interested in hunting for a and how to have a good attitude about this and how it's all good. And you're like, it's a beautiful about the anti-factory farming message. I had a great conversation with them. And I believe, I truly believe that most of these people that are making angry posts on It's just this, something is lost in the broadcasting of this message. I think that's a real problem that we're all sort of navigating in this world is that somehow or another, the messages that get the most reaction are a lot of times the negative ones.

1:18:11 Why? Yeah. It requires trigger discipline. You know, you have to hold your arms steady. movement at the end where the arrow hits yeah and it's just as a discipline it's it's cleansing And when you nail one, it gets right in that small circle. It's a beautiful, satisfying feeling. and it's, uh, I don't know. It's, it's so powerful. And I just, that's what i don't know it's it's so powerful and i just that's what i you know i like people

1:22:22 I mean, experiences like that have made me who I am. And people say, people who have never experienced it don't understand your dedication to fitness, don't and realize that now you have enough meat for a year for your family with one animal, with one animal. And are we quantifying responsibility of death. I gave Gary Clark, the musician, the other day, I gave him two pounds of elk.

1:24:54 Chris Ryan did too, but Duncan sent me this photograph because i've always been drawn to to wild places um big wild places, people ask why, because I've always been drawn to wild places, big wild places. essentially. But in the wilderness, when I went, there could be the richest guy in the world. You know what I mean? It doesn't care that you drive a BMW.

1:27:07 it's because you made it drop in the hole. and you're playing against a guy who has $2 in his bank, and she just decides today's your day, it's unforgiving and it's absolute Roy is, he's who got me started in bow hunting, and he is the toughest man I've ever met. And, you know, he was when everybody doubted me when I was growing up and doubted my dream of ever becoming anything.

1:29:55 And I've been successful. I think he's killed, had killed nine rams and he one misstep, to go or do things that nobody else wanted to do. That was the only thing that made us different. It's one of the most dangerous hunts. You were supposed to go sheep hunting as well, right? And that was with Roy. two weeks later and that hunt encapsulated everything about us it was just hard it was

1:33:35 It is because in Roy and I always would we would always say we can make an easy hunt hard that's what we love. We loved hard. We just love the test. Now, when you go out there, biologists to make sure that they have healthy populations of these animals. Yeah. Just that, We want to kill a big animal because it's, And then also on the dual purpose side is it helps the

1:36:16 I just told people. And to have to haul that animal out. Yeah. That's just the meat? Until you see one, like, and you're there physically next to it, you don't realize. What were you singing? a little Lady Gaga, Right. because, uh, it's just hard knowing that the journey we'd been through together. he was well as soon as she hit his path she smelled the blood from where my arrow passed

1:40:19 So he shoots, boom. Just, it was so much going on at one time and then it got something triggered in her She's going to see what's going on. I I was just like I cussed because I'm like I was mad. She did that and required Roy to act, in everything that we did and we embraced it and we were fine with it and it, and it didn't consume you know when he fell and i got the news that he fell and died, I mean, I could believe it, I guess, but I was mad.

1:44:25 And I'm mad that that's gone. It's something that very few people will ever experience, we achieved our goal. That was it. It was the journey. It was the brotherhood. It was, you know, growing up and that's what, that's what hunting is. It's not just you're out killing, You know, there's a lot of people that they sort of connect animals almost with people in a way or maybe even better than people in a way.

1:46:34 They don't, but you sent me the text when, it's very easy to get by without being that kind of a person it's very difficult to become that kind of a person to always make the right decisions to always push And because society makes us weak, it makes us feel entitled. It's very rare. And there was an article that I posted recently where they were talking about the power that dopamine has,

1:49:55 the mountain, when you're pushing, when you don't want to and you get to it and you did when I get up at four or five in the morning, I have to be at work at seven. But when I get up not be normal, but I, I just love, you know, and people always say, well, you know, all that I have a hard time with that that mindset of the the the moderation mindset.

1:52:46 connected to head trauma. And, um, I think you're talking about a completely different thing when talking shit about you like why does you know he have to you know you don't have to lift weights and then they could figure out a way to push that bucket over and they could all get out but nope mosquitoes. It was brutal. I mean, we were just getting mauled by the end of the day. I mean,

1:55:09 so you without even be there pushed me and me because i kept going it pushed him but we were positive impact on me because I guess I haven't on them, you know, so in return and it, and it When you inspire people, those people, exercise. And now I do it every day and I'm drinking kale shakes and I'm eating healthy man, I'm going to listen to specifically to the story about you and Roy.

1:58:11 because they feel bad that that person is out there working out. Unless you're completely oblivious to the way you interact and interface with the world. I'm not inspired by someone who sleeps till 2. And The Rock is out to 40 million. And so in my own little bow hunting world, Who knows? And, again, that inspiration is a two-way street. And what that's about.

2:01:31 Just get out there. Yes. We can communicate with each other. Yeah, it's a choice. And then we're stronger, we're all fuck up. And maybe you'll come up short in another way next week. Everything I've ever tried I sucked at in the beginning. man, that's not a fun life. So you've been successful in so many different arenas, right? And been Joe Rogan. Oh, yeah.

2:05:12 Yeah. And it's just like, I, I, you know, I had a good, I, I just like exposing people gets tapped. and getting fucking crushed by people who are my size or smaller, I gotta get fucking crazy and attached to this shit and then I became like completely obsessed You know, it's a humbling, just like, just like, you know, the discipline you're talking I mean, like these goddamn ultra marathons you're running,

2:07:46 More than 96,000 feet of elevation change. that's insane I don't want to take advantage of any of those sleep stations. And so that's, you know, right now I'm training. Yeah. So, I mean, I'll get my, I'll prepare my body for it, but it's just whether I can hydrate and fuel well enough, smart enough, and just do everything, keep my feet healthy, You know what I mean?

2:10:36 No, it's mountains. is you're grinding up as much as you're hammering down and that down breaks your quads down as you we need this is 200 miles of this and if you try to run here's what i learned with ultras if you It's all mental. Have you heard about this? You have to have your own map. One to two people finish it each time. the whole thing if you can make it.

2:13:40 I want to know where the course is roughly. But I want to find out, and I'm looking forward to it. how they're gonna do that I don't know you have to have some fucking savage that's willing He was around six foot tall, but just crazy ability. He was an amazing athlete. So I didn't get that, but maybe I got enough of it to be tough. within bow hunting 100 you know especially out west especially in the mounds in alaska um so yeah

2:16:47 while they're trying to knock you unconscious. No. it's not it i mean it's it's the whole journey that leads to that and then also we talk about Duren. Wednesday, We've got him a job. Later.