Joe Rogan Experience #761 — Bas Rutten Transcript

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0:00 Dum dum dum dum dum and we're live. Unfortunately Mauro Ranallo is I said, no, that's not true. They couldn't revive him. Well, he had Yeah. Did you see it there, Jamie? And he fought after this, too, by the way. Oh, my God. I don't know either, you know, but I have the feeling that it's like that at the moment you're feeling it's probably And I've always suspected that that might be the case with Kane.

3:17 And to see him constantly injured, I've always suspected it's just his mental toughness is almost like a burden They go, boy, I got to go to the doctor. That's my advice now. Pops again. he had something in his knee. we went to dinner with him one time. he had all that problem. Holy shit. At the time, they called me crazy. Because he would knock people out with one punch.

5:55 That's how powerful he was. And then he started listening and people go like, Tell him that I said so, otherwise I'm not going to train you anymore. Then he took him down, hit him once. It's really that easy for you. It's hard to, you know, that fucking thing that makes you great in the first place, Like, if a guy was good at wrestling, The La Jolla, every time when he fought, he had new techniques.

8:13 for the six weeks, eight weeks, whatever he was training, Toronto was it Toronto or Montreal I think that was Toronto right no no that was I believe it was Montreal because I think So you think that will blow up in the air as well? too, because it's the bone behind the eye that gets broken. I trained him one and a half times. The rest he was doing That is crazy that he beat

10:33 I said, don't do that. Wow. They had a picture of him on the cover coming out of like a massage place. Even if they blocked your whole head off. God. noggera oh yeah eventually okay he lost but he just started yeah i think if he really would would Medium and Merit. Yeah. In the past, you see them with these guys who use a lot, you know, they always are around the fighters

13:32 wind up tapping out. And then he would You know, I think that is, and he's such a good guy. Because especially he knew where he was in the past and that all is gone now you know it's it's you can be really high But, yeah, it will get you down a big loss like that. that's it she knew exactly where she was going to be all the time because she just went speed forward.

15:41 You know, you might be able to talk. because we were talking about Yeah. especially the Raquel Pennington fight. Raquel Pennington, who's very tough, very durable. And And she choked her like one second ago. Like, that was a split decision. for her, because that means, okay, stay away You should do this. You can prove this. to me. The rotation of her upper body, the movement afterwards, very Tyson-like also.

18:28 Yep. in her striking game. Which is a dangerous kick. A knee bar, or you have to be in a polyaris, but anybody else would just put the knee bar on and give in the world. He really is. that that guy's been able to... He can change the world. And, you know, he lost his license. It's really a mind game. Yeah. to have this spectacular career so early in life.

21:39 the athletic commissions had seen those karate demonstrations on TV where a guy would break a brick with his elbow. Yes. they would in the clinch jump all the way up out with elbows. 11 to 5 or 1 to 7. I always go, if you have somebody, I mean, some of the wildest fights in the history of the sport where you have stomps, soccer kicks, everything, but no elbows.

23:49 or Shogun, you know, and they would hold It's now one championship. I mean, I don't know how much he recovered from that. There's the guy's name, Zorro Babbo Morea. Because you're breathing, you're going to crack some ribs. If I see a guy's out, the guy's out. I'm not going to hit him cage for the first time against Gonzaga. like he wasn't used to that,

26:27 so what he was doing why is he doing that And that was the blueprint to Krokopop because after that, everybody started doing it. The second fight he won by being on top and by the elbows that a real talented striker can throw from the guard. And I remembered that. And you were the first guy to figure those rules out. here with the bone. Yeah, you were pulling your

28:48 See? Because most of the time when you look away, they think, and then, boink, just hit him in the face. Like on this distance, this is much shorter than this. Right. a clothesline. They see the back folding around my whole arm. because if you miss time and you hit And it hits the back of the head, still the legal part. And that's why they're effective, and that's why it was so effective with me,

31:23 The behind, I always tell people, I can't understand nobody's doing it. Remember when Henzo He got his back, and just, if you can elbow the back of the head, rear naked chokes are an actual martial arts if you think about what is the most effective technique to use Boom, boom. This fucking guy was calling Henzo all throughout the night and fucking with him. Look at he stepped on his head as he walked off of him

33:28 It's so funny when you see a guy like Henzo, and he's always smiling, you know? that Twitter sequence that pushes. Thank you, Mayor Bloomberg, I'm so excited. He said, I just picked the biggest guy. That's what he told them. He's like one of the smiliest, happiest guys you're ever going to run into. It's a paperweight that they gave to us. Or 15 minutes, one of the two.

35:55 in hand together and boom, Anthony Bourdain trains But it's also on top of that, it's the product, like the results that There's like a real bond with Henzo Gracie. You're a bone model, you know, and Dana sits there. And then the guy who they were setting up to fight. organization, build yourself up. I have freak athlete. And of course, they understand that once he fights for a pay-per-view,

38:37 And I made big mistakes. Got the fuck beat out of him in the first round. That was that crazy punch. So now we're going to see this more often. you got a Chuck Liddell sweatshirt on now. throw this crazy one, and that's how he hit Alistair He's also wide open, which gives him almost power equal left and right. but that's why every person every guy every everybody likes Chuck Liddell yeah you don't

41:35 So he couldn't get out. Before that. Oh, wow. Hey, I got great hand power. That was the second time they fought, right? He really is. We have some crazy central all morning long all the fighters you know everybody's laughing everybody's having a good as a commentator, you needed to wear a And then we start coming up with this crazy opening. Those were the days because it was the early days of MMA.

44:46 Hickson, a lot of people don't know. And then Sakuraba put him on the map by beating the Gracies. like this for their own but that was That guy also. in Holland. like Rob Kamen, Miloel Goebeli. Wow. If you look at the size of Holland, you look at the amount of they fight ten times a year, or there's ten shows suddenly you come up with the Moroccan flag.

47:16 I was in the same card. He says, you're going to watch. An older guy with tattoos. skinny at the time, but his technique and he would go, fuck it. He would go right back He would just throw it right into elbows. ankle or I hurt my hand. He said Yeah. You know, guys like that. Yeah, he was like Rob Kame and all these guys. And then you suddenly, It's like Dyson.

50:31 guy to do that. And then you see after the fight Coban Laksamchoytang, and adjectives they have in there. Oh, this is a different guy. Oh, here we go. that was responsible for Brandon Vera early in his career. They called him the Bufflehead. No, he fought. But he does a lot of it in slow motion to show technique. is amazing. He does such a great job

53:26 Man, these are like in a lot of ways like unprecedented times and their kicking technique, It takes a lot of fucking talent He's out on his feet. Move. Everybody is quiet. how fucking that are his weight Sean Tompkins. We were drinking with everything, but he was totally, like, a year nothing, He was probably going crazy with it. He looks really badass.

56:54 I don't think anybody's face changed more than Vanderlei's, though. And Vandelay had his nose made big so that he could get more air in. And he came up the stage Because he had just gotten the surgery. With those cauliflower ears. oh no but I always wore ear guards so the sound echoes and bend it down I had a guy also, yeah. So what Randy would do is get on top of guys and grind his ear into their eyeball.

59:29 Yeah. They had to cauterize the inside of his ear because his infections were so bad that it It was like he had a mouse living in his ear. Leslie. Leslie Smith. That means your opponent is crazy. Oh, I've always been a big fan of Leslie Smith. just started targeting that See? Well, that's She's fun, man. That's why she couldn't finish, she said. She's dangerous.

1:02:22 Oh, wow. Now, this, just for Joanna, I would want to see the ultimate fighter now. And the way that Cadela looks, right? So it was a very close fight. I don't know who her wrestling coach is. So technical too. You know, those guys, the Russian style of wrestling is so technical, so drill-oriented, you know. He's such a fucking animal. I trained really hard.

1:05:10 You know, and we're going to try to, I'll try to hurt your legs. Because it happens as well, right? And if you're used to it, it's the same as a fight. Wonder Boy says that. People who see us, they think it's out of control, but it's not at all. kneeing other people and they knee them Yeah. Yeah. like some guys just aren't that good at certain techniques.

1:07:43 Most of the time, it's just technique. Explode stand still Explode and the trick also with knees is to move your hips away from your partner same as with the straight punch the longer in. You see? But a lot of guys Well, kicking in the balls. Let the toes point to the side. Exactly. It's the game. going to maybe do that show. I think maybe now it's

1:10:15 but everything is left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right. But if you go left, right, left, left, left, Everybody who does it is really effective at it. Oh, yeah. but I put one of them on my Instagram page the other day where he hits this guy with Double left. Look at this. Total animal. Well, they should, and maybe he can bring it to the United States.

1:12:20 Yeah. It's fucking crazy. he's been hit there as well yeah it's from shots yeah not really from grappling yeah He doesn't just jab like a boxer would throw a jab. When you said in the beginning, I kick somebody and you if you're not blocking it, Just hit as hard as you can It's like me putting on a helmet. I'm just going to hit your hand as hard as I can.

1:14:55 it's, you started throwing kicks in the Pancrase days, That was in... time really was you in Pancrase Forget about like getting it on your raw arm. So I just use movement. but we got only three three pros and then a bunch of amateur guys so you're I like his footwork, too. Glory doesn't have the eyeballs, which blows me away, Fun to watch. until eventually your body doesn't cooperate anymore.

1:18:02 Well, I mean, the best shit talker of all time. It's not like he's repeating everything I do. Very hot, yeah. That's why he beat Aldo. There's a few fun things that you always can do. got rattled by it and he's not going to get God, that guy's fucking awesome. described his left hand. And it's true. Aldo's advance and just dropped that left hand Well, a lot of what's going on, too, is his conditioning is off the charts. He's working

1:21:02 That's what I always tell everybody. seeing, you know, he goes, flexing because the punches are coming, kept popping them with punches, I mean, he's in incredible shape. The only times he was losing was against guys with The physical, like they turn it into one of those grueling wrestling matches. He's going to need a lot of footwork. He's a monster.

1:23:43 Yeah, that was the craziest thing. When do you stop a fight? Chris Weidman versus Luke Rockhold. If he doesn't cover up, and if you put your hand down to get up, It's up to the referee to decide. If they don't – they're on the ground. he'll tell them, do not come to me after the fight, or you see guys who defend the guillotine And yeah, he jumps guard.

1:26:24 She grabbed the foot, feet, unlocked the feet, and she got out. Push them always to your belly. to go to put him in It drives me nuts. But then there's not a lot they can do because you just stop their arms. You're not going to get him stagnant where he's just lying there waiting for the referee to stand him back up. and you've got to try to posture up

1:28:09 Oh, my God. If the strike on the feet, if it goes to a decision and nobody gets really hurt, That was with striking. Yeah, that's what back on the feet. and then they get rewarded It's not about that. That's the worst position for you. It makes it more strategical. Like, somebody hits me, I just knock them out. At the end. Yeah. When I saw my opponent, he was 45 pounds heavier. And I asked when the weigh-in was.

1:30:54 One round, awesome. that's what I was thinking and 30 seconds to get the fight to the ground Or these guys who say, yeah, but I just need more work on the ground. I think, again, like, okay, we know that stamina played a big factor. Yeah. Yeah, Rafael Cordero is just what a great striking coach that guy is. All these guys are all the way there. And like Dwayne has it also.

1:33:20 He's completely obsessed. You can have all the talent if you don't like it. You know, then you can't even think straight anymore. who's just doing it as a job and quentin has so much talent i mean an unbelievable power he's got slam KO in the history of MMA. oh my god that was a horrific fight there and I was just taken And Randleman came in and he thought there was going to be a fight.

1:35:45 Everybody who knows him is such a good guy. I didn't want to see that. and she said, And he needs to check that out. oh he wants to talk to me because normally we would text so i picked up the phone and i called and he kept going great time you know Wow. that's the thing the 100 commitment that's the thing and it being a fighter it's all sounds cool

1:38:18 Find another job. Not at a championship level. Don't put your family at number one spot. I say, okay, let's take a step back. Do you really care if you lose at that moment? So why didn't you? Yeah, you better prepare now. And whether he lost by knockout or won by knockout, Leave it out there. Defense. Nobody does that. Same as with the body, body, head.

1:41:59 Now, with the first two body shots, And his defense is here for the spleen shot. just go. What is he going to do if were you too tough for your body? So I had a lot of stuff that I took for that and and the the test they did on me really got my tendonitis. And the craziest thing is that when I was young, I did track and field. it's good you become a fighter you know but um for some reason at the end it came back but i remember

1:45:08 Glory heavyweight champion. But I can get you in two hours, I said to my hotel, Pop, pop, pop, pop. And the next week or two weeks later, we had Greg Jackson on the show. And then if you have an athlete like Jones in doing the World Series of Fighting because I'm a very basic guy. and he won his fight in 15 seconds with the left hook. and about working on technique.

1:47:56 I don't know anymore, Finally, the trainer has something or a manager and then they just kick him to the side because and everybody always says, I never had a problem. It always helped me. The Westlake Village. Boss Rudin's Elite MMA. Right. Like the fight, if I do fight classes with the fighters, It's so important. He says, I've been working here now for three years, and you're teaching the same stuff.

1:50:14 They don't. They don't do it. Everybody forgets the The timing, the efficiency of the technique And your striking class, are guys sparring in there? And they do really well with the striking. And then just before they make the low kick, I stretch my hand in front of their face. Keep your hands up. Now, what is this podcast you're doing and it's on iTunes,

1:52:17 because that big piece there's no prompters, no nothing, he just shoots, like Kenny Rice, for instance, same, you know, and he goes up and down. But the guy is a genius. Like, there's no prompters, no nothing. the gig that he now has. I told them, I said, He did a bunch of glory fights. Seven tomorrow. I mean, I went to his wedding with my whole family

1:53:49 suddenly there was a water volleyball net and somebody started to play volley and and you know I mean, all my interactions with him where he's always laughing and smiling and hugging people. How you doing, man? You know, the first time I fought him, right? So now, and there he is and he already has a smirk on his face and I'm smirking I look at him and I go

1:55:36 guy, so I don't. If you keep your feet on the floor, So I go, oh, wait, he's going to think I gave him a low kick. just in front of it and he's backing up. I just You know, but he did that slapping thing on his thigh, It would have been fun. I'm trying to negotiate I mean, you are one of the they messed up right there on that post, The time that you came along,

1:58:12 20. that, a section that will only grow so far yeah it will not be so even in 2000 years from now if this The Conor McGregor-Dos Anjos fight is probably going to get close to 2 million pay-per-view eyes. wouldn't you want to be born 20 years later? You know, that's not a great way to And you still train with guys. I couldn't do 20 minutes warm up when I started because I didn't train for three and a half years.

2:00:54 So now that was 12 days before the fight. But you got out of the sport with your faculties 100% intact. about where a guy fucked up or where a person's chances lie. But, you know, but after that, it was okay. Mighty Mouse is... when you look at some of the wars that he's had Dodson is a fucking freak. But man, DJ, Matt Hume did a really good job there.

2:02:58 He's very dedicated. he's the best ever. I really do. If for some reason McGregor wins this, You don't know. to escape but if he could have done that didn't even try it's a different animal. man. When you look at after the fight, all those coming at him, going to make the Rousey mistake. Once you lose that, Yeah, I think he's going to be a lot smarter

2:05:30 like that before and that's why Well, this is the other way. And you start reminiscing about all the things. it's with McGregor it's real And to beat a guy like that, Mendes hit him hard. Yeah, I mean, Mendes hits fucking hard. His mind is incredible. That's when, right away, I said, okay, this guy. And I saw this video that he's in a hotel in in in dublin i believe and there's coconuts did you see that part no okay so he's

2:07:58 You think they did this because I have to fight a Brazilian guy? Everybody does the same. and he goes, I don't know how to do it, It's unprecedented. $50 and $20. Yeah, probably something like that. Yeah. What if he fucking wins? I always say, I always talk about distance. He's got the front leg side kick to the body, the front leg roundhouse kick to the face.

2:10:29 Ellenberger was saying before that fight, Hope Solo is a big fan. and his takedown defense and his wrestling. said it before, his father was talking about Him and Weidman train together a lot. Did I hear something that he was going to be like family of Weidman? I know they do a lot of training sessions at Hofstra. Did you ever see him in the World Combat League,

2:12:46 it's like in the body do that to Hendrix They're used to here in America. Right, right. Outside low kicks. But Nikki Holtzkin stays glued to him and throws leg kicks. But he's another guy that he had to relinquish his title because of concussions. Just hard training, hard fights. It always happens when you go somewhere and then one of these, That's it.

2:15:59 All right. With Mauro, we're going to talk about some crazy pride stories. It's on everything. That was awesome. Bye.