Joe Rogan Experience #762 — Robin Black Transcript

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0:00 Doom, doom, doom. It's a colorful jean jacket. I don't know what you'd be hunting there. like, like a cloak that you can wear and it essentially takes an image of what's That is wild. So here's the cloak. Whoa, you know like magic leap if you've seen that magic leap technology But they've – them. It's just a series of steps to have to do it. You know, if you were doing a a demonstration for a company or something like that

3:15 Right away. and fighting and podcasts and stuff it's still strange that people watch stuff all the time. Just sit back and watch. I don't really have any. about other stuff it it fascinates me how you can possibly know about so many things that seem unconnected. of area of stuff that i am obsessively researching and studying. But I used to worry about it when I was younger.

6:10 something about, oh, I hate Joe Rogan, or why I hate Joe Rogan, these flaws. Like if you follow someone every day, day in, day out and expect perfection or enlightenment, It was that you are authentically Joe Rogan. Because you're like, fuck being some other thing. a point where everything I do, whether it's this, I was looking forward to this. I'm like, I'm going

8:39 But the thing is, if you push somebody, they all know. you know it's true yeah it's for everybody everybody's different you know i think you the errors are in your little system that you've created those those those moments are fucking It might take me a year. Our new job, figure out how to take care of those responsibilities. learn more things. And it's just a natural kind of transition to get smarter and move. But it's

11:46 Our society should be shaped in a way that you have to do those things. and just fucking sugar. Woodland Hills three times. For four days. It was very strange. And I came down here for, I was a hairdresser at the time. And this pretty woman comes up to me and says, are you a musician? Not knowing that, although Metal Edge told me that this guy was a big deal he was just a

14:19 want to smoke some dope it's like sure it was like so he goes do you do dope i'm like yeah i barely even there and somewhere along the line I just like, don't worry about it. And I made myself go. And I was sick for two or three days. fucking worry about it man and i just forced my and i was literally convincing myself don't bother of people who have opiate problems and they would say, oh man, four days, that's nothing.

16:38 So that was the second last time I was in Woodland Hills. Earlier on down the road as you get older a life experience helps you with that shit kind of like what Ozzy did, but with them. so 15 or 20 million, maybe. You know what's shocking to me? It's not just, but the touring is what I don't understand. Roadies, sound people. there and you say hi and you just go do your act except for the 30 years of developing your act

19:58 and then you've got to abandon it. His whole world has been built like that act for years. And he's like, what in the fuck? where it's like you're a great wrestler so what am i need to i gotta go learn to wrestle you don't more ingrained and complicated and you go to the gym you work these four or five things and some That's sport karate blitz. Yeah, and he's a brilliant fighter.

23:27 He's just not there. They sent us a Conor McGregor doll. Stephen Thompson's doing some shit with his feet. it. And it is, yeah, I can defend takedowns but more importantly we ain't fucking wrestling we're not gonna wrestle and it seems I'm making that space. And just the way that the karate guys had to go learn to wrestle, or did they? about being taken down.

26:03 and you can take advantage of openings that they leave. I think the same thing with wrestling. And it seems like the blitz is a big part of MMA fighting. now he gets so good at that thing. Just put him in a place That's when he'll get in. after him and then when you do you get intercepted and that whole thing must become so frustrating And when you don't have a solution to that, it means you're getting hit and you're not being able to hit the other guy.

29:18 We know these are some of his choices. You're mentally prepared for it. What do you mean by they lied? like a funny way to say it right but this is not how it was supposed to go right this is not he I think maybe if he just concentrated more on the leg kicks. My last fight was my best performance ever, and it went great. We were planning to put him against the cage.

31:56 Did you damage it? was how much my feet hurt. Yeah. positions. And then now they're stronger. Yeah, now it's much better. But still, that's probably need to improve well mine just fully inflamed for a long time after that fight and just mistreatment Is that what it is? the time climbing and fighting and running and whatever things we do and that thing right there

34:44 it's just gonna to make everything better. Yeah. Yeah. But if you're used to using those running shoes with the big heel, have to go through a certain amount of hurt you have to go through a certain amount of you know I work out with either barefoot or these... heavy lifting and deadlifts you can't use padding you're gonna lose force you know you have to use

38:06 A meet? Do you? And then my bench is maybe 230, 240, which doesn't sound like a lot of weight to people who go to the gym and just throw it around. So you can't bounce it off your chest. Why do you have to go to the gym tomorrow? But I was just like, she's always like, oh, just skip one. And all of a sudden you did yoga and it added so much. So one of the most frustrating things about people to get into jiu-jitsu is they just do jiu-jitsu

40:25 standing around and moving and stuff that jiu-jitsu guys are sitting around your neck, on your back, always a lot of pressure on your back to try to get out of situations. And I think I maybe had heard him say this before in a video or something. But for some reason, we have these limiting beliefs. And one of the reasons, I learned stuff from studying fighters. I learned stuff about life, lots of stuff.

42:36 people i talk about this guy i like this little thing this thing's pretty cool yeah uh i talk And then, you know, Jon Jones? There's mass. The way they really pick up skills is by training and taking chances and going outside their comfort zone, And they're getting used to the feeling of being in competition. good friend, David Mullins. Is it on iTunes?

45:06 It's on YouTube, yeah. Oh, interesting. He is a collection of skills and attributes and a body type. Instead, he was like, it doesn't matter who it is. The fact that he's been so successful so far with this strategy. And Craig at the UFC said it's good to go while we were talking. this guy should be doing this for the UFC. It's two champions in their prime.

49:20 That guillotine, but Conor used that threat to get up. hard and early. He pushed all his chips in. the right hand quite a lot. He was getting hit with it. dealt with him like he's faced my like have a diagram and you know, I think that was, there was always outside of like people were They love your voice. and making sure it's entertaining. That was a weird situation.

52:24 But I like the fact that we found out, though. There's a lot. But when people did it excitedly, people were like, oh, shit, fighting is way more interesting than just – I mean the real thing that kind of would bother me is there wasn't, you know, a fight would happen. Or, you know, who are you going to call out? We can't just move on. you have so much more access to

54:53 But yeah, I just love now that it's like it isn't just the outcome or the storyline around And they only cheered when it was like a long bomb. different markets outside of Vegas Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. It's an amazing sport. Like you would always, the traditional thought was when a guy goes for a leg, Remember that fight? when you alan belcher when he was fighting what's his name paul harris yeah paul harris yeah you

58:38 and whether it's perfected by Donaher or a bunch of other people. Like when we talk about why the UFC is a great thing, I think the UFC is an awesome thing. Well, the problems keep happening when you're going into the transition and the guy grabs this leg. And then the legs would fly over for the defense and I think defensively it's one of the best tools to make sure that you're using proper technique

1:01:19 Yeah. He's just pulling a piece of a Gi. And you arm bar me, so I'm in your guard, can opener opens your guard. Wait a second. You armbar me. No more can openers. That doesn't make any fucking sense. Danaher later goes, George, we're going to can open Condit. But Danaher, what? I don't do a good French accent. But what about the armbar? We're going to can open him and shut down the armbar. We don't stop can opening because there's an armbar

1:02:59 Watch Brian Ortega. Yeah, fuck. There's lots and we're going to stand up. Somewhere in Eddie's gym, you got Ben Saunders and guys, The mindset of how to train that thing in the gym every day There's so many different ways to go about it. you know oh that's nice I know it's because I literally was thinking Right. You got to train your muay thai. We'll put pools in them.

1:06:37 When I was coming down to L.A. for the weekend, I was looking at how expensive hotels were. People have been caught. I know, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it is creepy. some pretty elaborate equipment now these little tiny tiny cameras are so small little gopro or You give all this meaning to it and you assume you know what they mean and then you get mad.

1:08:55 Well, it's just assholes. We got to figure out how to slide back and throw those kicks the way they're doing it. And I still to this day think we haven't seen the level of traditional martial arts techniques that are, that exist in like a really good Taekwondo match or a really good Kyokushin match. There that are even better or more powerful than him.

1:10:17 Yeah. And then that other era, well, we can't front kick. well you see like the guys who are really good at that front kick it's such a danger like a kyle Instead of pulling them back like with the ball of your foot like Taekwondo, make him like a fist. But lots, I bet some of them are doing that. you do that toe stab and you hit an Miletic and Frank Shamrock. And these guys were like, okay, well you were a wrestler and I was

1:13:14 Nick Curzon focuses a lot on movement a lot of plyometrics and explosion drills and movement And his game was just so dependent upon close range able to do things you weren't aware of, fully present in the moment. There's all of these originator of this shit is is hickson if you go back and watch hickson when hickson was into Now what can I do with my body to enhance that or take that further?

1:16:12 but had really good technique. Like if you get two guys guys they both have equal technique Be more creative. I got hypnotized. He's trained a bunch of guys. Did you try to fight it? It feels real weird. Wow. They are experiencing the fight in their mind. I mean, if we do something, our brain is doing it. And, you know, don't be all fucking weird and like half-ass it.

1:20:14 If you can't go in there and be in an optimum state, free of the worrying about the consequences. in this room. I'm more comfortable in it than I was last time. Jamie and you are way more remember anything. world's going to see how fucking good I am. You can't mental preparation is just doing it And I don't mean to put it back to myself. prepared like crazy,

1:22:53 That's the state you have to be in. This is where I'm supposed to be. When you do a breakdown, say if you do a breakdown for Conor McGregor and Rafael dos Anjos, how do you begin? this is. So you start from that point. That point could be months in advance. Then there's things I know I asked Craig, they accepted mine today. What's going to happen? it in the Ronda one, but they

1:25:47 Only because they were like, they didn't know what I did And then since then, and they've been fucking super cool. He talks fast. Well, you're very, very committed to it. Do you really? it's in the tri-state area and it's in texas like it's in it has it doesn't have national carriage Because Connor's over there. And then the next day, call two hours of Deep out of Japan.

1:28:50 But all day long, you've got to be ready. and better and better. And he's innovating. I got to innovate. If I innovate, you want other people to spread the idea. I want people to rip my stuff off because then they'll rip off what I did a year ago. And then a year from now, I'll do new stuff. Like you want it all to influence how people see fighting because I think fighting is the coolest thing. And if they see it through my eyes, they'll think that too.

1:30:00 I'm super attached to all of these people and these things and these experiences. And I kind of get to live them out and learn from them. And then it gets more and more complicated. You can do all these things and what are the ways that I could increase the likelihood of doing that? You're in trouble. I was really shocked in the Pettis fight When you're looking at it,

1:32:30 on, as you back up, delivering Somewhere, now my orbital bone is broken. Wow. times and now i'll that's all i see did you see the video that somebody put together it's like I don't feel qualified to criticize, and that's just a personal thing. You have to factor in power. before Aldo just chased after him and got lit up like that. when it comes to his footwork and his movement.

1:36:01 That's just a fact. It is. Just because I would see that doesn't mean boom, You know, Condit comes on weird angles and different things, and that's got to be what he's seeing. It's very fast. a bad time to figure that out yeah it's when you're getting ripped in the face but uh but at the same time it's also like the dude is just so aggressively violent um but whether

1:38:43 We've got to figure out the answer to make it not about that. footwork is pretty fucking spectacular i watched him we were all just hanging around backstage one amazing this isn't like improvised like these are like very specific very uh his the the amount of efficiency involved in these movements for 10 years. If you try to figure that out step in. Like, is this a movement drill? Here, look at this. Good fucking luck. If you want to

1:41:15 that's incredible I mean that's It's one of the things I always tell people when you learn jujitsu. Because they can make it work. And if you watch them roll against even bigger guys, their technique is so fucking sharp. That's the standard description of what happened. The idea was put hoist in if voice lost Like, have you ever looked at some of the brutal beatdowns, the Gracian action beatdowns that Hickson did?

1:43:53 Holy shit, We're sitting here. I mean, they're probably gonna if they can get around it. It's just hidden back there. But I was in Belize with my wife, and it was beautiful, actually. Because they have, Holy shit, man. And they do it because at the end, they will provide for their family. And a lot of 17-year-olds who go and start boxing or whatever don't have all that information.

1:46:14 It's a free society. and it causes people intense pain because there's some sort of liquid that comes out of them when you pull the shell. Look at that. So you're not finding anything on cashews causing blindness? Boss Rutten, who was here on Wednesday, obviously former UFC heavyweight champion, He's talking fast. They have real problems. back then. There was no money in it back then. There was no MMA. It was just kickboxing. And I

1:49:17 And I took a lot of it. In what way? I don't know what the fuck I was thinking. And I was happy. So I got through the round or rounds and then I just, that time I almost didn't get off the couch from the you know that that moment And I don't remember that day super well, other than telling that pretty girl that I And that's why I fought was to have that understanding.

1:52:30 It's so depressing to me to watch this incredible problem-solving they might not ever be the same again. fighting six months later and they're not the same you could tell they're not the same they Like we were fighting as a part of what we do, fighting as a part of us getting here. It may be And how are they going to respond to that guy? You should have fucking made weight against Woodley. Yeah, you fucking cheater.

1:55:21 but it's when guys miss weight. As we're getting away from the bodybuilder, wrestler weight. rehabilitate enough or rehydrate enough, rather, to be able to fight 24 hours later. fighting all day on TV. I can't address if you were fighting Josh first call you've got to make is to a doctor. Because you may not want to do. You know, if you were fighting in pride after a few years, first call, you got to make us to a doctor

1:57:16 I need to fight. either they took so much punishment and pride that they never really fully recovered which is I was really happy for Vitor to not look like, you know, the Incredible Hulk and still win. You know, that's the problem. It's a different thing. It's a different thing. You know, I don't know what the future holds as far as testing for performance-enhancing drugs,

1:59:22 so big just swole shredded not an ounce of fat, just gorilla strong and freakish endurance. All that is is basically like, come on. Or, well, we're going to kind of test, but you guys work around it. This is not instituted by the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Silva change radically. Totally different. they're just not doing a good enough job. when Nick Diaz got in trouble.

2:01:55 And then they had some other wacky piss test that's not nearly as accurate, and that's I'm saying Pride. They wouldn't give him a hearing. where they caught him to today. He's going to. And you're like, wait, wait, wait. top three pretty because he was so much fun to watch he was just when you saw vanderley rolling and an elite striker. jailness in there and a few other things suddenly the audience was negative against vanderley for

2:04:58 look like an asshole. That's what Conor's doing now. I thought my guy Uriah figured out exactly how to tangle with Conor McGregor. Yeah. things that pointed me to start pursuing this was Uriah Faber, Mark Hominick, these little But we got to see some kind of innovation out of him. He can't be stopped. against Frankie. I mean, having the knowledge Yeah, very close fight.

2:07:11 Leg kicks. Okay? I would say this is priority number one, and maybe Slick stuff. Right. but if we keep our headlights lined up and we kind of shoehorn him into our headlights as best as we can. It wouldn't happen because now that he's with TJ and they've said so much bad shit about each other. And he did something we see TJ do a lot. Which just shows you how smart Dwayne is.

2:10:56 you're a magician, you're trying to do a trick on me, or a comedian tries to tell you a joke, used instead of that being well two years down the tubes it was like two years i'm going to gain leaving yourself open to get hit. When it was TJ and him, I was asking him about the fight. I'm going to analyze some shit. One plus one is one. because guys who aren't like him, maybe like a Damian Maia.

2:13:37 Oh, man, it's so important. It's so easy for him to think in there. about maya as opposed to anybody else too he's really adamant about not wanting to hurt people He's not bullshitting. It's violent. and that like when you we're trying to figure out you know how cm punk is going to fight and i'll Yeah, he's fucked. but at least I know that so I can start learning some shit.

2:16:56 what he was doing. It sounded like a cool thing. He's a driven guy who believes you can achieve If you have no background in combat sports at all and you're 36 years old I go like well okay we're watching like a Brock Lesnar. But when I saw him fight in K-1, I was in LA when they fought, and he fought some Japanese gentleman, took him down, just smashed him.

2:18:56 He just didn't understand how little knowledge and skill could be acquired in the time that he was going to look at. I've been looking right now. They had no videos for This is not CM Punk, though. I saw him hitting pads at one point. He was unconsciously incompetent. Yeah. But even that, I mean, two years. pads for him and i was like oh my god like watching him hit pads i I was like, fucking crazy. He'll nail it. He's never going to get it.

2:21:46 they're just not there. But, what are you saying? Okay, that's bullshit. And that's the way to do it. There's other ways to handle that. He rehabilitated it. So he created that reverse hyper machine. I hope I got the juice to fight on 200, which is crazy. But I think if somebody asked my opinion, if he was my friend and he said, what do you think I should do?

2:24:48 And what I found was only a further appreciation for fucking everybody in this gym and all these fighters. a year is nearly enough time to not being the best in the world, or not being at a world championship or a world-class UFC level. Hey man, You're a white belt in like, You don't wait and then figure out what gym. I mean, that gym is amazing. He's such a wonderful guy. Duke Rufus is the shit. I mean, that gym is amazing. He's got fantastic training there from Daniel Wanderley to Ben Asprin to Pettis to Duke himself, who's just amazing.

2:26:51 He's a goddamn genius. looking for all the truths oh shit it's just like That symbiotic one-on-one thing, who has the I admire Farras, and I like him very much. and then all these things grow, and inevitably you end up at a mental thing and then philosophy. if you create problems in relationships and interrelationship conflict, that's the path. The path is to try to be a better person. The path is to try to have more character.

2:30:59 And then as soon as this round is done. He tries to jump on you. I'm like you're just sitting down I remember sparring with a guy and after I looked, he was wearing like novelty boxing gloves. but sometimes good enough to hurt you. I kind of get to admire them over time because they were pioneers. One of them, he never got to the UFC and he's probably close to 40 now, Adrian Woolley.

2:32:27 You want him to push you so hard, in the last week before a fight You know, you were talking about getting that concussion in Jordan Meehan's camp. His dad's like 45. He's got like 30 plus fights. before he took that body kick and props to tiago for figuring a way through that first round and And at least he's told me that. you know, I didn't have as much sex in high school

2:34:43 You're 25, you're like, you know, To really analytically look and go, and I'm trying to think of somebody in particular, You made all the great records. You know, another guy like that that vanished is Adlon Amagov. But he was another guy. Yeah. a master's degree in other people about it. take one more large amount of damage if i'm going to step away let's just go let's step away you

2:37:56 and you're still on this path because it's something you've always done, Yeah. He's one of my favorites in boxing. not because you know you have it and one day you're going to have to retire even though you No, no, no, no. Tarver, yeah. When we're... What the fuck are we even looking at? Incredible. Let's find out how old he is now, because that would mean that he had to be like 57 then i think yeah

2:40:53 Yeah, he's only like three feet tall. I expected him to be what They're like, well, she brought it on herself. also their their life sucks and they see someone who's doing as good as she was doing when she was Misha Tate thing she walked away Like, you do have a choice. I just, all you can do is hope that you keep offering up Don't. There's gray areas in everything in the world.

2:43:31 is so spectacular by knockout, He had a lifetime. He had a decade And you talk about how they trained back then. You see that? And I mean, I'm... It was very close. know i think carlos is a really smart guy and i think he's also got a lot of other things that Yeah, I know. a twice or three times on robbie and when he starts reacting to sequence a you'll trick him

2:46:41 It's going to be fantastic. And you saw what happened to Roy Jones when he got older. And I just picked against Anderson on every one because everybody was picking Anderson. they think I'm just still playing that. That's not diminished in any way. So he's in some weird place right now. If he's not his best, Michael Bisping is the most underappreciated, underrated, undervalued by his opponents.

2:49:11 I'm imagining a guy who had his leg broken in half, lost twice, I guess I'm kind of undervalued. be on shit now. Almost I'll tweet it. Much love.