Joe Rogan Experience #772 — Mark & Chris Bell Transcript

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0:00 I'm in a rush today. me with Prescription Thugs. When they allowed people to, No, at all. No at all we're talking about a little bit yeah that that's really hard to get healthy to be healthy totally For a month. to be like twice as effective as opiate painkillers. yeah that's a lot so two is four right it's 400 milligrams for two ibuprofen and then two tylenol

3:00 Really? It just helps me get through the day. for that. and over again is going to become addicting. You're going to like the side effects to it. God put everything if you believe in God or whatever Hippocrates, right? I was watching this television show where they were talking about Massachusetts and the problem. changed the way oxycontins work where you can't crush them up and smoke them anymore,

6:18 But we just came back from the Arnold Classic, It went to heroin. And so I think just stuff like that, like he told me that. Well, yeah, you could definitely help. they want to pay for, they expect somebody to be smoking, drinking, doing whatever for 30 years You're working, right, and you're a drug addict. So there's definitely time, you know, to do things.

9:02 I think, I don't know. You're in a lot of meetings, you know, it's all like peer groups, you know, you're basically Any idea what that does for you? I'm hearing it for the first time. That's crazy. Okay, what is this? it and also people that have also had other problematic behavior that they wanted to correct I'm sure. Like, just to get, I got a random phone call in the middle of the night.

12:26 She's like, this is Lauren, and I'm like, I don't know any chicks. And then she started to calm down, and she said. know you're you lost both of you guys lost your older brother because we he grew up in the wrestling, bodybuilding. My brother's not here to enjoy this. I'm outside his apartment now. And I said, well, you're the only person what to do. I don't know how I'm going to find him. I'm outside his apartment now.

14:27 the fuck do we get him to sacramento you know what are we going to do like so we were talking about You probably felt indestructible when you were doing pills. I felt invincible when I was doing it, And I was always like, what the fuck is going on with this guy? what do you uh what do you think of myself I got this back problem I've had You know how sometimes people are friendly, but they're like, are you okay with me being friendly?

16:50 We were trying to figure it out. Yeah. do it all the time. people got into rehab yeah uh they they called me uh i actually uh a kid that worked on the movie People are being addicted I hope he does He's listening. what it is. starts this conversation and people start talking about it and they start comparing notes and they start realizing like, wow, these are people that I know, people around me. This

20:11 I'm just like, hey, man, this is a big problem. And they're just openly talking about how they're drug-packed pushers. cause of death, right? So when you look at that, you go, okay, well, how did this company get away does the aids i don't understand that though how does the aids virus get in yes what is the aids That was the company that sold, they make Bayer aspirin and everything. That's the company that did it, and that was one of the things he was going to go work for the company Bayer. That was the company that sold Bayer Aspirin and everything. That's the company that did it and that was one of the things he was

22:22 documentaries, we have Taint and AIDS go together. Whoa. AZT was initially a chemotherapy medication, but it was killing cancer patients quicker gay cancer. That's what they thought it was Fuck France. And that's a fact. They have a medicine medication for if you laugh too much or if you cry too much or whatever give me that if you smoke pot take this truck yeah they have restless leg

25:48 lot of things maybe affect like 0.0001 percent of the population go how do i get that to affect you reacting to all it's really hard for the doctor to tell too it's really hard as a friend that there's also all sorts of other factors involved. Like, what are you doing with your life? All those things are a big factor. it well i think there's no one answer that works with everybody i think some people really suffer

28:25 So I think a lot of those guys, the ups and downs are so wild for them. I know a lot of people that have had a lot of physical trauma, and almost all of them prosthetic can kind of work but not really you know right right but yeah we've seen people in is just unbelievably taxing raising the money Everybody's talking about it. But at least you're doing it for you.

30:53 i don't have a project right now i don't have money for projects now but i don't care because I'll go over it. I think she's amazing. They're trying to be funny, you know. Right. I will not apologize. well he'll get better he'll get better and he'll learn. But that's beside the point. Breakups are devastating for people. like, hey man, how much you value

34:11 That's it? I mean, how else is she going to get rid of you? Bye. school and college they fucking never get out of that they're always in combative shitty relationships People are always being When you're achieving something athletically, She's on top of the world, everything. hit on the button and goes down like the actual actual events of what happened are not that big

36:56 But that glory also comes with the potential. because he wouldn't he would have went the other way he went like crazy because he had money and he had fame and whatever, you know. but i know they're gonna fuck up it's just a matter of time and then one day you'll see them I've helped some friends that had problems. I love it. connect the two of them together.

39:48 A lot of people make some impotent. Well, it doesn't keep you from getting it up, but it's definitely not the same. figure out a way to help this guy because this is not who he normally is normally he would be like happy and joking like comics And the reward, if you can come up with jokes and routines doubted me and then i just didn't have anybody to count on and i was always worried about getting

42:19 And I was blowing people away. and they get everything they want they very rarely have the drive to accomplish great things because die. Well, he's got to be mad. 16, 17, yeah, it's over. to see him get a Division I scholarship. It's like, you would already know. Yeah. 16, 17, yeah, it's over. Yeah. I think that's what happened with trophy kids. but a lot of parents don't let him go.

44:56 but what he really enjoys doing is something else. I always thought I wanted to be in front of the camera. I am somewhat, and that kind of happened by accident. Yeah, it's weird, right? That's how you dress. lawyer and I dress up a little bit more and I I look back at him like why did I Tattoos and shit. But if I was in front of something that looked more professional, maybe they would approach this with a little more professional attitude as well.

47:20 These documentaries are your creation. That was amazing. I watched the one on PETA the other day. Supplements and just like different things that just don't work. Oh, wow. But when we had Jeff Nowitzki in here, that you can just buy at a regular vitamin store,'s fucking crazy just just you get to the a you know it's listed Bilzerian train for that bet.

49:47 And so they made a bet for 600 grand. I've actually never met, You know, you know, All the different shit he thought of to try to get past all the tests. That was great. Yeah, he's like, it's drug-tested. like if you're hydrated all the time, you get the right amount of sleep, Some of these fucking guys got to be claimed. What? if you could do it, I'll give you five grand.

52:42 That guy's six foot eight, 400. About 60 pounds, I think. That can't be. That has to be hollow. See that werewolf on the far left? Those are badass. God, that guy's ridiculously strong. But he's the nicest guy in the world. None of his shirts have sleeves. What the fuck? There you go. He probably does. And that's a world record of it, right? It's not as heavy as you think, but if you try to throw a 30-pound kettlebell over that thing, we would probably die doing it.

55:14 But that's high. Yeah, there's a couple thousand-pound deadlifts, too, in the World's isolate. Fucking boy. Yeah, that Vice documentary. Yeah, there was a couple thousand pound deadlifts too in the World's Strongest Man competition. I mean, that's part of the sport. are there are some guys that are just large human beings that can handle big big amount of weights i

56:13 And he's just a built like- He's a freak. by WWE, There's definitely I can't imagine and the sheer amount 33 or 34 but it was because i had hip replacement surgery. So you started hormone replacement to try to boost your body's recovery? If you're rich, yeah, maybe it'll help you a little bit, but I don't know. Your hands fall asleep? It makes you hold a little bit of water.

58:36 It makes sense that it would be effective for you. They're on growth hormone. Well, that's why double-blind placebo-controlled studies are so important to find out what actually does work and what doesn't work. That's how I do it. I don't think it's necessarily bad for anybody. been around forever they're in a bottle I just pour it into a tablespoon I take

1:00:41 And then they realize, oh, the study was done with 12 a day. for your heart? You gotta be on a lot of shit at the same time. Then you gotta take Then you get depressed It's really good for you. But just that effect is temporary. Yeah, no, I'm not afraid. You gotta pull that sucker up, man. supplement's gonna work as good as injecting testosterone. People would just know about it.

1:03:03 I just don't think it works. like sometimes I think that stuff is weird or people might think I'm weird if I'm trying to So I always want to make sure that I have enough probiotics and I want healthy snacks. it's fucking got to be healthy. today I weighed like 200 I have a long way to go. Brian Shaw, 555 pound. It's called an atlas stone yeah it's an

1:05:30 He's wearing slingshot elbow sleeves, if you noticed. He took a picture in the limousine of him with his wife in a limo. before we ate but he brought all his meals already made and everything was great. 10 ounces tilapia. He's obsessed. and three days of full recovery. He moves around way better than I do. better results. That's where I'm at right now. I just

1:08:17 That was a big PR for me. Got a 22-pound bench PR in the meet, but missed a 600-pound bench. I've never had a surgery or nothing. The noise is so strange. I haven't tried anything yet. They're doing stem cells in Las Vegas where they're taking them from women's placenta. they take her stem cells out of the placenta He was like Wolverine. the year before.

1:11:12 But not even to the point where, but I was like, listen, would it do a damage? It's insane because it's literally the building blocks of any kind of tissue. and develop more testosterone. And I've tried I'll help you out at the end of the podcast. Actually, they got some to a doctor in New York I don't know anything about it. And he was like, it was like there was power coming off my fingers.

1:13:16 It was like therapy for me. you essentially admitted in like a documentary but him like, because we had to check that out, like, seriously, Yeah. Just looking jacked up. Did you just try to placate yourself Yeah. I've been talking to the owners of Quest Nutrition. And so the thing is, how can we look at that and say, well, will this work in humans?

1:16:23 starves the cancer cell. I'm not sure if it's that simple, but that's what I've heard that in the absence of carbohydrates that it basically starves the cancer cell. most interesting aspect of it is the mental clarity. He's got a book, right? Mark Sasson. My face got thinner. But that was the first thing that I noticed when I did the gluten-free. What it is is you're taking in less sugar.

1:18:12 So it definitely worked. I take these exogenous ketones that you saw over here. That's a good idea. This woman, I don't want to fuck up the spelling of her name. And you don't want to always be cooking up a fucking pound of meat every five minutes. Yes. You can drop a couple pounds pretty quickly. yeah it does take time But I think I'm going right back on it.

1:20:39 I'm not buying any bulletproof stuff. The one thing that carbohydrates do If you're doing a keto diet properly, you should not be losing any energy. Yeah, so you have to make sure that you're hydrated. there's different fighters and different Let's just buy the whole company. I actually really like it and so um it gets me in a mode where i uh i feel like everything come becomes an order when i'm on like a ketogenic diet for some reason like

1:23:06 No. It's weird. Your body's designed to eat vegetables. I do not get that now. regulates itself better. It burns off your a lot stronger than me, they're squatting 700-800 that moved out here, I have no idea how to do that. I'm just a kid from Poughkeepsie that moved out here. And I was kind of stupid. because I just dove in head first. I was stronger.

1:26:04 It just gets to be hard to do for really, really long, like years. I don't know. It just gets to be tough. you mean more psychological yeah yeah yeah no the diet's fine you're not going to like have some there's kids in Ethiopia right now and avocados. People are so annoyed with me, though, because I talk about it too much. As he likes to put it, those little motherfuckers are everywhere.

1:27:54 And I just basically just eat meat and vegetables. Yeah, it's interesting. Don't say it. How does it feel to know a vegan is the best fighter in the world? The fucking cult attached to these people. they're not pushing it down my throat but he does eat eggs in that fight. and he's got And all you vegan folks, I'm not mad at you. They're like in a religion.

1:31:18 You guys, you have this delusional, fairytale, Walt Disney-ized view of wildlife. And it's stupid. Because there's no hunting. the whole thing is preposterous but it was amazing the next day the amount of fucking I went vegan. I'm like, yeah, but you're not a real vegan. Gummy bears are great. You're like, why do they fucking sell it that way then?

1:33:20 It's so cool for me to hear about that kind of stuff, because I don't know anything about Yeah. and weaker and then he just didn't feel like he could compete at 170 you can have that and they free range they walk around you know you're gonna have to deal with Sacrifice. It's kind of fucked up. I'm like, you can't. What are we doing here? They're never going to forgive you.

1:36:07 by themselves what's going on yeah that happens quite a bit I go, no, they're trying to eat her. She thinks it's so much healthier, cleaner Look, factory farming, Yeah, yes, I have. Right. Hashtag vegan meal. That's what I eat most of my breakfast, most of the time. is so wrong and it turns people off. How about that? until I watched those Alaska shows.

1:38:51 I mean, like hundreds and hundreds of yards. And this rabbit is up ahead of him. It's not a... But look, they're the same size I think the number one thing that I've learned is very simple. you just make them aware that they need help they might not even know driving them towards uh That's kind of a part of it too, right? but they weren't really i didn't find like how do you spell that i b o g-O-G-A-I-N-E, I think. Is that how you spell it?

1:41:57 or a combination thereof. And you don't need to be an expert. that's a predicament my oldest brother was in prescription drugs. It went up 5000% in 10 years or something like that. more rare than than is being diagnosed so what i say what is bipolar exactly mean like what It was... Yeah, maybe you're not bipolar. Whoa. It was just a violating probation.

1:44:59 Like, he never was a bully. for three months, he felt totally normal. Do you think that all the highs and lows are just coming from the drugs in his system and out of his system and the fluctuating levels and just right? you don't really feel high. I felt like very up and down because if I didn't have the drug in me, I would have like anxiety. that wasn't me, you know?

1:46:48 Well, the fucking girl in the movie lights herself on fire. They literally kind of make you do some crazy stuff because I don't think you're really in that much control anymore. And the thing is that a lot of people will go to therapy and then they want to get a And people were like, and we'll be safe. to make the fire sort of go around we want an answer, we want a solution. We want with America. We want an answer.

1:48:55 We already know that that's not a good answer. and doing whatever is going to do more damage and actually fix it, And the shoulder is a weird one because it moves so weird. Yeah. You could be strong enough to get past that, and I think you're going to be all right. Like, shouldn't your fucking doctor tell you what medication you need? all these different things to get me out of pain. Now, if they don't get me out of pain

1:51:45 You know, painkillers are actually a great thing for acute pain. How come they don't have something similar with drugs? I think sometimes in society, we need laws to protect people from these things. they call those pill mills they have pill mills and people just go there's people at west virginia and there's a couple people that are trafficking all these drugs in and making this this huge problem yeah those depression commercials

1:54:39 Point of the advertisement is really do is to sell you like they have to list the side effects, right? As she's operating this backhoe, they say, don't operate heavy machinery while using this product. Yeah. What I'd say is look into it more, you have to become your own doctor, you know? And if I say like, like, look, I know how effective antidepressants

1:56:14 It controls Congress. And the fact that we allow them to advertise on television like that, that's got to stop. this could kill you if used as directed this could kill you and uh these pills aren't saying that no That pill overdoses kill more people every year than car it's such a fucking like you said that one guy acting really weird if you have a friend that's

1:58:22 Hit me up and we'll figure out how to get it done. FDA two studies that are effective. And when I say Last year, I think it was last year, and John Oliver said this, John Oliver did a great piece They save a lot of money for lawsuits, too. It's just factored into the profit margin. Yeah, the studies, the way you showed how they do their studies, too, that was really an eye-opening thing.

2:01:13 that's something that makes me angry because like i had all these ideas for the movie i'm gonna ask Yeah, but you have two established documentaries that have done very well. they're trying to force down people's throats that was the other thing that i wanted to talk about If you're taking a psych med and it's not working, you got to throw a Bilify on top of that.

2:03:03 On top of it. I've never really said marijuana fixing anxiety because it makes me anxious as fuck. But statins, so statins don't really help you? going to have a heart attack. fix your diet and do like do it through other ways? They parrot old studies. Well, we're all adults, right? our parents Right. and the 1970s, Yeah. But the problem is when it comes to the human body, there's so many fucking variables.

2:06:17 You can eat some pizza. You can't be eating junk every day all the time. Or like, a little bit more now? where there was, There's women there now. Yeah, we would go into these powerlifting meets. It's important for women. his body's going to break. But you see people as they get older. How about Disneyland? Yeah, there's not a lot of healthy people. Oh, Ohio's awesome. How about Disneyland?

2:09:00 There's so many people that have eaten their way out of walking. Your body's getting too big. Fat shaming, yeah. They'll see him walking down the street. This guy's rich, yeah, but I heard he's got no dick. It's always going to be that. getting out there to go to a grocery store And then finally people are starting to pay attention. Show them a documentary on the effect of sugar.

2:11:34 Sugar is a crazy one. And that crash is really bad for you. But if you mix it with painkillers, it feels great. Well, because here's what the problem is. Yeah, I think they're very aware of that. Well, the lobbies are the most powerful thing in the world, What was the trigger? So it was a constant like painkiller, painkiller, painkiller. And he knew what it was like.

2:14:51 I was going to die. So I started drinking like a fish, you know, I was drinking vodka, full thing of vodka So I became a very heavy drinker, and I would get these crazy hangovers. days ago jesus christ and uh you become a good liar you know when you're addicted to drugs and I was trying it was weird I It seems like a great idea. Like that woman, Gwen Olsen, who was the pharma rep who basically uh yeah there was there were so

2:17:21 really intense but one of the things that she said what she was talking about, are you worried that they're going to kill you? because I'm going to make something and tell the as it is, is only going to put a dent in You know, they're going to just keep doing it. How many people are walking around like oh yeah how many people shit on the streets maybe yes i know a lady who thinks she looks down on marijuana like in a big

2:19:50 And I think, I think marijuana, there's a, there's a slippery slope with marijuana because But it certainly can become a problem. People get obsessed with things. We're not hearing these statistics that you presented in this movie. He was great. was because he tried to stop everything cold turkey on his own and he stopped for seven days So I'm just trying to keep going and trying to get healthier because I think it's all a snowball effect. You can go snowball effect downhill or you can go snowball

2:22:52 Well, thanks, man. more than a million people will hear this and it'll open their eyes to what this is all about I mean, you're a well-known documentary filmmaker, but I think that it takes balls, no matter who you are, to do what you did. The other thing, too, is it's not over. He lives down the street from me and he works for me now. So we're just producing content

2:24:33 and all that bullshit, right, that they tell you in school Because the money came because he followed what he loved to do. Because you're like, and him and his wife, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of miscommunication. So it was weird. Oh, so she thought you were coming to see stand-up. MB Slingshot, right? Bam. Roku. means. Pros and cons.