Joe Rogan Experience #786 — Wheeler Walker, Jr. Transcript

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0:00 You know what? I think that would be the best way to open a podcast ever. I found out about you We're on We bought tickets I thought Coachella was all about taking ecstasy. Let's just go over the playlist That's easy. That's the dirtiest one, though. Eating pussy, kicking ass. happened so i went to my buddy uh dave cobb he's a producer there i actually met him through your

2:22 And I'd had my ass kicked my dick longer country music what is it it's and i didn't know this anymore than you because i don't listen people and he just you keep hearing him pause like he's gonna say it he goes it's rap people for the baseball hat, singing about trucks and beers and dog shit like that. It's weird. Nashville, but I'm in my house. I don't know what the fuck's going on. So I, um, whenever I write a

5:41 We were listening to playback, and I go, we were listening to Fuck You Bitch, which is Not funny. You guys could be brothers. I was going to say, I don't see it. Well, it just started getting around. What was interesting because what happened was, you know, like Love You Girl, someone who is a country music artist and is a fan of country music and we talked about country

8:06 And I'm just, that's from a fucking few tweets. I've gotten 25,000 dicks. I appreciate it. they're not even doing, I guess I appreciate it, Not fished. about you and this whole thing is that no one had to give you the green light to do this what i love should i got to go on tour and i said i'm going i'm no You're doing some pretty big theaters. I guess that's what you're here for.

10:49 Oh, no way. That's awesome. You know, I don't want anyone to own, because they're going to fuck with it. they did you can have the crown live some radio station thing with uh just a very small group of that he was and but this is honestly what i believe. I think he is, and you're going to laugh when I say it, but I swear this is what I fucking believe.

13:03 No, no, no. and starts singing, and it's Sturgill Simpson. He's just sitting next to you on a fucking boat. He fucking left. i'm not i don't need to talk to him i got the answer okay he's he leaves right right now You get the best country music artist alive, and you get them to kill people for you. Check out Sturgill's tour. He's toured England And this fucker's gone to...

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15:31 And then... You heard the record. And he's a hired government assassin will be true that's what that guy thought in russia remember that dude in russia that was Well, I mean, again, my facts aren't like 100% together, but from what I've seen, why Anyway, that's the thing about country music. Jason Isbell, too. Did it, too. juicy formula where they can press those buttons right, and they'll sell a lot of units.

18:39 It's not the worst thing in the world. is, they're adding beats Clicker things? it's in that fucking crazy... No one would have ever let us do any of this stuff. the year and i'm gonna make it completely unplayable. I mean, it went fucking X-rated. But it's fun fun man. It's fun. And what you said was true to like also wrote country music he wrote Boy Named Sue for Johnny Cash somebody told

21:31 I'm a David Allen Coe fan. in the back of biker mags, you know, and those albums, they got to me in Kentucky, you know, Just like, you got to hear this because we all used to do prank calls. and i'm from kentucky and i got nothing against i got nothing against the judds by the way i tell I should say that. Yeah, it was a sign of, like those fat kings in the old days, you know,

23:23 Just eat what he wants. thick-ass legs and big asses But it goes to what we're talking about. Like a porn site? I think maybe, out see what happens and they were so totally fucking cool about it it's like when you're and then your face was off to the side of it, it could get confusing. Well I mean they told me We'd be talking about it all the time That was the only thing I said.

26:29 won't, they won't fucking put ads And I go, you're talking to the fucking guy. Here's my conclusion. There's a certain frequency that you can hit when you make really dull, bland stuff, many options now. record label? They've been out for eight weeks, man. And listen, I'm sure I heard later they were nice guys after I ripped on them that I talked about before,

29:02 I mean, Go back to that, Jamie. I just want to eat some Cheetos and take a nap. That's very possible. But, yeah, I mean, he's in post-pussy mode. Yeah, he could be like, I just nutted so hard today. I don't give a fuck. I just want to eat some Cheetos and take a nap. But right now he's baffled. him and Sam Hunt, this guy who fucking A dog tag is aluminum, and it represents a memory of someone who died in the war.

30:34 This is what they're selling. There are people producing it for them. I mean, listen. I'm trying to sell records. They've got their fingers dirty and everything. You listen to me, not these two fucking good-looking dudes. You know what's I'll leave right here. No, play it. Can we hear some? Anybody listening to this on YouTube, what's the song? It's called Confession. It's weird.

33:19 But keep playing. Honestly. It's weird. They're not going to stop. they don't want to be associated with that it seems like there's a lot of country music that's sort of reinforcing have god involved there's a lot of god involved and there's some of that shit that i listen to and make them dumber. to brainwash us. like I grew up in Kentucky, well, Because it's pop music with an accent, and that accent is what makes it country.

36:36 Yeah. And they're backstage, you know, fucking. I heard they were nice guys, but it has nothing. We've been talking, you know, my heroes, Waylon and Willie. Satan is Real? This ain't country. is unloading all of its radio properties. It's not nearly as good as a CD or an MP3 in your car, right? You couldn't talk about the record. because country radio literally won't have me on.

39:18 and you would go you fucking why did you make a second version of this what did you do okay that's Well, but when you're on a major label and the record company's fronting the bill, this is my label. There's people that are doing... Exactly. Two and a half men, or you were talking about that kind of shit. care of everything. Wheeler, don't you worry about a thing.

41:21 to town. Just total bullshit they hope that you ain't got nothing to do with it and they were loving it but the amount of money that it cost to make a record in 2016 People are making albums on their fucking computer. oh, you charged him so-and-so and all that. But if he's some big label... They essentially do it for free. He's such a music fan. rock and you start going to all this other

44:12 around to it and that's what happened to a lot of me and my It's the same shit, but that kind of shit is not available anymore. And it just doesn't it doesn't hit you the same way and the crazy thing is too is like the first guy to use auto-tune was that auto-tune i think that was a different thing a vocal you I had a friend who worked, who auto-tuned a major country pop star.

45:46 Well, I think there's nothing wrong with making those two and a half men shows. would i would definitely not recommend that i mean that'd be fucking how long your brain your brain What's that Super Size Me guy? Like all of his liver damage and all that stuff. Yeah. Like, you want to just pull in the Burger King? The people there aren't thinking they. Jack in the Box. Fine. It's no big deal.

47:38 Their salad. Have you ever had any big corporate sponsors on here? I've gotten emails from, I think they do my website. someone was telling me because even if word of mouth got to you about this record, and we'll get it to you. about the jesus lizard and rolling stone said that they're like the real this is not a joke those lines and it just spreads across the whole

50:25 Of course you're going to be banned from Walmart. They probably banned everything. it ain't going to sell a million fucking copies, Listen, I'm sure you still do radio, promote shows and shit like that. I don't do radio anymore. That's awesome. but the problem is, for us, it's in the morning. It's so funny you said that. Because people want to listen to what they want to listen to.

52:14 I say, oh, Wheeler Walker Jr. You missed it. So there's a lot of people still clinging on to the old, you know, how things, like We can just say whatever the fuck we want. Opie and Anthony. No, now it's Opie and Jimmy. where he can say whatever he wants right and they're like well he's not going to be as funny I always love when people I used to hear that about comedy,

54:27 fucking better now that you know yeah that's bullshit just to be free That's one of the reasons why I'll never during the fucking Bush administration, man, where they were, those John Ashcroft fucking, Imagine the government trying to take you out all you are is a dirty morning radio guy and the fucking 1990, he got fined $6,000 from the FCC. Yeah, $495,000 in 2004.

56:35 He didn't swear. they would think, oh, you mean the 50s or the 40s? has 20 million people listening to it every morning. his criticism of political policies administration, his criticism of for him, that started the What is this? Yeah. I guarantee you a lot of it was about controlling a powerful guy. I wonder if he would do that now. Well, Bernie Sanders just released his tax returns,

59:10 is this? It's about 400 seats. Okay. making sure they don't get to be $25, Imagine what she said. He's like a Showtime drama series assassin type guy. I thought that was cool. It was like, what is this? Because he's like, oh, because you love Hustler. of eroded yeah you know back then he was selling those magazines he was rich from selling magazines

1:01:56 I've met him briefly. I know fucking And the people that didn't get defended were the dirty ones. I mean, the Ed Norton guy who played him, he's like, this has nothing to do with whether you like Hustler or not. it's too problematic. But they had comic pieces in the magazine I'm sure it's online. He was the big guy I used to watch that shit all the time

1:04:36 Yeah, in the magazine. went to the fucking supreme court and larry i went and saw larry flynn talk and when they repeat And it was funny, too. I want the biggest it's all a show, and talk about it. It's kind of funny, though. Yeah. Wow. But yeah, they And that was the shit. the, I guess. Interesting. Now he's hugging me in front of millions on the Larry King show.

1:08:13 the money to fight it. Because most people would have just I mean, they were saying before, they're saying SNL might not exist if he hadn't won that case. But marijuana is still illegal in 2016 because of some bullshit propaganda that was made what if they shut him down? where you could do whatever you want? Yeah. Do you think they shave their pubes?

1:10:31 I don't like that. What if my shaft just starts growing hairs all over it? What if that's what girls like? If you've got hair on the head of your dick, that are so hairy. into some grappling tournaments. He's got to have some. Never mind. Well, it's weird that we still have hair in weird spots on our body. There's the wrestler dude. You got some hair, too.

1:12:49 Give to me or i break nick you're talking about hair you need because i've never forget the article i was reading about in the stooges and then he popped some you know he was i'd like to find out what he eats he's got to be on a ketogenic diet he's always super you know he oh, that's Queens of the Stone Age. I always wonder, like, is that just from running around on stage?

1:14:19 Look at his skin. But he's in that ageless area. What? What, are you trying to pretend he's a mystery? was no one who was like there's a bunch of money for you go produce and they're on a label right You know, the people that are making these pop songs. But you know, I mean, who got busted. as they did. Wow. And he just The girl who's the sister, yeah, the girl with the giant tits.

1:16:48 Boy, what a body that girl's got. But if you watch the- Texas. I hope so. they said wait till school's back in cause my fucking voice will go I can't do those fucking long tours. Duncan does though. It's not enjoyable. You have no idea where you are Especially now that we're getting older And they're just like whatever it is, sounds like the ultimate life.

1:19:02 Really? Yeah, yeah. the real the i mean but he's not on the horse but he's winning and he didn't train it. He has What a barbarian he was. you know, where Johnny Depp read the passage but I mean, Hunter was the perfect guy to capture if it's because it kind of probably for a long time. He lived with him him but that book is a perfect example of like

1:22:08 Yeah, he saw it well he was also like a serious alcoholic to the point where when he was almost dead you couldn't even understand him anymore he would do shows he would Like, those hips weren't so good. Like, today they've got it down pretty good, where I've I was like, how is that fucking possible? hip replacements. 65. He's in his 30s. You'd be in real problems.

1:24:30 He did well this season. It was during Team USA practice a couple years ago. Two years ago, and he's an all-star this year. I have to replace to ACLs He doesn't give a fuck. is that? Whoa, look at it poking out of the skin right there. Holy jeez. Oh, is that the It looks like it tore through the skin They're worried about that ever happening. get this shit off TV.

1:27:05 It's a real problem. Like I was like, blah, blah, blah. So if you have these two people, Why is that bad? dick or even pussy and kicking ass sucking dick doesn't come in that that comes to the end um I knew I was, this is not my best gig. hired people who said they were fans of country music. Paul, why don't you play it, Okay, but the one, That's so rude.

1:30:27 See, I didn't have a beer at the time, Eating pussy and kicking ass. Eating pussy and kicking ass. Look at her! Look at her That looked like a fucking little kid there. That's just the album. Keep it in mind, fucking yelling at the man. I ate his wife's pussy I'm always like this Try to find this dick sucking part, please. Oh, here we go. Suckin' dick and kickin' ass

1:34:54 What are they mad about? tell it's getting pussy kicking ass and don't tell them about the oh don't tell the the other you know, I don't know, requesting. and you can lose It's good. Like I said, best producer, best players in Nashville doing this. Nobody sells records. Where I never put a single fucking thing in the CD holder People buy them on iTunes for physical shit.

1:37:52 That was what their literal words. I want it to say wear that shit you can buy a wheeler walk Says fat fuck size Like 90s It's like She put a belt around it and go, you know, go out for the night. And now everything's happening. And my manager is a fucking piece of shit, dumbass. They're like, the pre-sales, like you're not, the number, he, like a thousand or something.

1:40:49 censoring yourself the unfun part is trying to fit that that your nasty thoughts into something You want to do it in Santa Monica? That's a song You don't take They wear better clothes They wear Yeah fuck yeah ollie g You know, it's like a comedy. Yeah, I think I can see. He presented an award and I guess he had to agree to not do any sort of thing.

1:42:54 He got this Charlie Chaplin Award. You find that? It's on the BBC America. But do what you want to do, man. What I say, every day is the new best day for this crazy shit. you can give me about anyone and he meant it as a compliment, too. Yeah. and i like i said this is like the perfect time time Perfect time to go on it's and I hate to bring it back to you, but I'm here

1:45:44 because then they're like you know know, you're real fucking, They blocked me. She's I just I know, but it said promoted tweets, so I go, You gotta get money out of this somehow. Bam. We've got to take a picture together. Right, Jamie? Eating pussy Eating pussy and kicking ass makes me sing all day long. I thought about not putting that song on. for different folks. It's funny too because you never, like, when you make a record, you just like,

1:48:11 on the record Probably happens in comedy too. funny you know you write things out and you go man this part don't work that good and that part and you're telling them it's not, it's like a weird argument. Because if someone listens to that that then they'll get hooked and then and then by the time they get because it's like of course the one star people are telling 20 friends right you know and they're the ones getting the word out

1:50:35 But if you think that it's not legit because I'm cursing or talking about fucking... So then you go toward the song and of course, like, Everyone's had a heartbreak, Well, I fucked the wrong ones. remember who it was might have been a blog called saving country music i think that's what it was To have it be played on the radio so they can make money.

1:52:45 that since the fucking yeah don't don't worry about the criticism but also i'm just happy you're That shirt was made for me in California by the Nudies. N-U-D-I-E? They started calling this guy. And then he started making clothes for his granddaughter, somebody kept Cost more than the fucking record. So those, are they still around? I think they got a museum. Yeah it was cool, cause I just looked it up like,

1:55:29 Yeah. He made Elvis a gold shiny suit. It might be his. I wonder if that was his. He's got two rifles on the sides, but one of them that's in like a firing position to A whole week? Because those nudie suits cost fucking five grand. I'm going to do the video. planned this whole thing out i this is all total dumb luck. Yeah. Anyone who happens upon my record, if they find me, I just, I mean, you got one of the biggest podcasts in the world.

1:57:53 you got to do like burke kreischer and do as many people as you can around town yeah while i'm here So you, every, all the bad words are so fucking clear and you can hear it so well. It's funny you brought that up. fucking make sure nobody bought it. But I think people get that you can't make music like this that sounds like that if it's not coming from a real fucking place.

1:59:42 They don't have a place for it. They don't know what it is. You got to keep that attitude or you're going to fall down the fucking, you know. And they're like, that'll be ten times the money. But also. this what kind of music executive type characters I'll say and I'm talking of the big boys and i'm and some of these i wouldn't even mind name but they don't want

2:01:57 but if it does maybe it'll be cool like the tonight show like you but then once it changed in like the 90s like it started going away And I know Stern's played it a couple times. but say if Conan has someone on a show that's a band. Isbell played there He was doing the most mainstream of mainstream shows. Dude, you get to see what Jay Leno's like. He was talking about doing a show for the mob.

2:04:22 I remember hearing stories, because I obviously have so many friends who are musicians, like how fucking crazy the Tonight Show the musicians in record sales so just don't play that's so weird in the old days way out there, it's like, you're not going to make $40,000 in record sales. They were sort of kind of blackballed on the outside oh yeah but just because of the love from their fans

2:05:51 That they played, yeah. You become the biggest rock band ever probably like, in New York City. Oh, that's a killer cover, man. what an advanced copy was. was design the inside I think each record But no, then it came back around and became What is it? There was a couple of good songs, though, from the Soul albums. I don't remember them that well, but I remember liking that one the best.

2:08:35 in in looking back it was like now the music's gotten so shitty i mean bg sound fucking like You got to listen to all kinds of music. Prince, when you love James Brown and music is a lot like everything else. happened to like i was talking about before with me and all my he's like when you got into rock huh yeah but he I always thought of him as a Kentucky guy and he is but he

2:11:26 You know, it's like he was a... like that ain't that lonely yet song that song play and guitars cadillacs and hillbilly music Even the fucking... People always send me these memes. Okay. Yeah, I think I pissed there once. Like, these fake country guys. became super popular. Countach. It's almost kuntosh it's like almost here having you know doing what i do what is thelaw movement? That was the 70s when they were the equivalent of, you know, I don't know.

2:15:02 Obviously, I'm laughing. like that was when pop And then people like Willie moved out of Nashville, moved to Austin, started smoking weed and said, I'm going to do it my fucking way. town but it was just like a it was a kind of had a small town feel and you the hip place here. You can't get a place there. And I'll bet it was way different ten years ago.

2:17:16 Well, that's the thing, too, is when I was a kid, you know, I had family who was friends People start moving there for the right fucking, you know, make the right kind of music. Yeah, I mean, but you hear it. and then it sort of gives birth to more people like that or more people who can express themselves There was a lot of that. well when someone is authentic though you, you can tell, right?

2:19:16 It's sensational. No one would go into a studio and make a record like that, thinking that's going to sell. Do you know Honey Honey? And I'm like, yeah, sure. We've done a bunch of shows together. How big is that? They were amazing. Yeah, I think that was a sign of things to come with my Comedy Central special, the opening music. you can't own this like you can't you can't own the song when they tried to and they said no so

2:22:09 Guarantee you. Duncan. not exist. It would not exist. But it exists. Really That's one of my a download code in that too oh there is okay so you buy the vinyl you get a download code dude i And that's, don't, keep in mind too, he spent half his time fucking taking motherfuckers out. That person's an asshole. I think people just saw a beard. Well, whatever.

2:24:22 That was awesome. We'll see you tomorrow