Joe Rogan Experience #792 — Lewis Hilsenteger Transcript

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0:00 Should we smoke weed? Yeah. bred they can deal with it So yeah so I'm not The car and burning Yeah, right. Really? Yeah, he went on like a sort of a spiritual walkabout kind of a thing this guy Evan Tanner you get disoriented, and he couldn't figure out where he put his water. Well, you can definitely hallucinate before you die. Exactly. You create what you need to see.

3:18 But they don't have to shovel their way out of snow. Sure. you kind of, self-centeredness is being in control of absolutely every experience you have and never letting go friendly. Everybody was so friendly and so nice. And I had a friend who blacked out. We were all event having happened no no it was definitely the weed because she's from la and we flew in

5:56 Firemen showed up. So people were more friendly in the city in general And you kind of, you have those moments and we kind of hold them up, you know, CNN style, like replay it over and over again, you know, your chances of getting shot, mean your chances of getting shot your actual Yeah. But then half the year when it's a different group of people shooting each other,

9:15 Look at Chicago. and then on the other side of some there was some kind of blog I reading, which was based on infographics. Wow. you see him drop and then you see the shooter standing over him shooting at somebody else I need somebody to duck and hide for cover. And someone just shot him. i felt like if that guy kept shooting like that it's probably his work was done

11:54 And I think at this point we've got enough evidence to realize that at some root level we are still animals. And I'm sitting there thinking about it. the planet fucking malaria malaria, man. in the Congo for people. And Well, it's from deer ticks, and they have to figure out what to do about that And there's a new podcast or not new, but he's been doing it for a while.

14:59 most wolves except gray wolves because gray wolves have a different genetic line they had left north All over the country, rather. They're making sure that everybody's there. Real-time upgrades. Real-time upgrades. So the population of coyotes during that their numbers went as high as they were before and now even higher, and now they've expanded their range.

17:42 And I was going to visit my parents' house. I was like, is this a coyote? me this this morning just walking around the street just staring at him fuck that recent meat eater podcast, but the one before that. And today's date is the 20, what are we, Yeah. Yeah. So they go up to this lake with a blowtorch The tap thing is controversial But that doesn't remove the possibility of fracking making more of that shit get into

21:36 Yes. they only need a fragment of information in order to confirm their preexisting bias. it's an argument in the first place. from my jujitsu class Like, are you a fucking earth scientist, dude? they're trying to figure this out. You know what I mean? Like there was a headline recently about Bill Nye the Science Guy. It's not a bad thing about him.

24:34 deniers so you're like what the fuck so like is bill nye lost his fucking mind has he gone crazy choices that are going to directly affect our quality of life, what do we do about it? That's doesn't want to invest in discovering That's it. Yeah, and the thing is, the only way to really combat that is to bounce, is to get out of there as quickly as possible.

26:53 Just like videos that have low retention. Okay. people who deny climate change you're the environmentalist here at the people's climate march in 2014 september he said that the Okay, right. See, that is a very measured response. And he's essentially talking about people like the BP people points yeah i mean and you if you do like that merchants of doubt movie which is an amazing movie

29:57 That's a little bit much. No, it's not always bad. clickbait yeah so so in that sense i feel I feel like there's a place for it. Nobody had watched the video. Like what kind of drama? in that environment because the understanding i mean and it's it's it's not definitive but And so some of these channels are rapidly growing, rapidly growing on the backs of essentially making fun of people.

34:02 I mean, they're kind of stealing your content and becoming something with your content only, exclusively. The Fine Brothers. No, no, no. Right. Did you know about this, Jamie? Who the fuck are these guys? And there was a company called jukin media and um there was a story this guy uh what and oh my god and uh and so that was acting as his demo reel to get jobs and stuff like that

37:29 You threw out the greedy cunt bat signal and you're letting everybody know you're a piece of shit. They retracted what happened was the internet lost its shit as you would expect and these guys there were videos on YouTube which were live streams and all the legal system and you've applied it to this open, free world of the internet. Fuck them. It's not like it has anything to do with anything you created.

39:24 Who are they again? We're going to own it. Ugh. The craziest part. You should have copyrighted it. Fuck you, man. You know what I mean? Now, because it used to go to like a restaurant and they used to have to sing their own like, I know sometimes you have like musicians on here, right? Well see it completely depends upon whether or not So it's in a way it's kind of free advertising in that way.

43:48 We won't take down the video. I go you won't take down. It's a fucking three-hour video They used to be the opposite. all their expenses, all their advertising revenue, how much it costs to rent their building, It was a really clever workaround for Prince but it was essentially in response to these devious practices kind of, they're wishing that an ecosystem existed still that doesn't.

46:38 And I don't like saying that because to me it matters. back and listen to some Roy Orbison from the 1950s, or you can listen to some shit that some Yes. And he got famous for these songs on YouTube. start but here's the thing it sounds like ridiculous right but it's actually This could not be He just has a camera pointed at him, like really primitive.

49:50 just because I want to support it. Yeah, and you know what? just because the actual per- per unit cost is so high. people are constantly worried about their bills you know and then if you can Right, but isn't it the demand from the customer lot of money right now the streaming services are making a lot of money the artists aren't making When you get a big artist like Taylor Swift

51:55 I think it's somewhere in there. Yeah, it's a fraction of a penny per play. I guess what I'm saying is, in the absence of Spotify, do those millions and millions of users, do they turn to iTunes and give you the 99 cents? Everybody got free stuff, but no one profited. That's a big difference between that and pirating because pirating doesn't have any central

53:46 They stream everything. Well, what are the percentage of people that use Spotify that actually pay? is just this idea that music just simply isn't as valuable as it was. I'm not saying the value, the inherent value in expression. it's arguably more important emotionally at least they're involved in that process but as an artist that already is doing well and established making

56:08 A paying number could be Spotify announces 20 millionth paying subscriber. See, the problem is too like if you have a podcast on 50, whatever they are, That's a lot of fucking people. Yeah, artists appear to be people that get taken advantage of, have been for the last Yeah, but higher quality, you're getting two. They just get the 320 kilobyte because you can't hear the difference.

58:37 That's the thing. a huge chunk. Yeah, they're the biggest on my desk and I'm like, I'm just going to throw this out. If it's all in the cloud, they can technically go change that music whenever they choose to. He's gone back on another album that's already been out for a long time now to own it the way the way he put it out in 2011 or you never have that actual

1:00:47 so ridiculous, but he makes some really good moves. doing yes for sure 100% 100% what's gonna happen when he tweets something crazy yeah I mean look royalty for so long because he existed as a celebrity in a strange time when an artist can his dick and fucking drugging them. Oh, he's going to jail. So you know what he did? So he's going to be charged. And they recently announced it over the last couple of days that they're charging him.

1:03:53 That's a very good question. So he was calling them from Public Enemy. And one of the people that was working there said that Cosby used to have these people sit down before the show. He wanted people to watch him eat his curry. this super famous you're responsible for getting fucked up if you're a normal A lot of people might trip over the dick of ego.

1:06:13 55? But I know for sure he had a hip issue, like a severe hip problem, that he probably need hip See, yeah, see, that's U.S. tabloid claims. He was a weird guy, man. can find the exact quote because it was pretty disturbing coming from a guy that you expect because of his sort of androgynous nature and how weird and odd he was. And that he could basically say anything and nobody would disagree with him.

1:09:11 Very convenient. percentage it's a very rare thing that people get super angry and violent because they're drunk. Some people are, yeah. New Yorker stands by story. He said he was grossly misquoted and they took everything he said out of context. and you've got some churches, go crazy how many how many people how many people sucked a cock because it was like we're gonna party

1:12:10 of the circumstance? all of them the same, unless the type of people drawn to that career in the first place are Yeah, definitely young. on the cover? You trying to figure out what the hell? He was 20 or 21. 20 or 21. And that is a like came along with him like morris day in the time because they were in Purple Rain, they sort of came along with like, and I think that's what we're seeing with Kanye West too, in order to like really go after

1:15:27 They say James Cameron is out of his fucking mind. You know about all that? This crazy fuck. I mean he's revolutionizing the science Everybody better shut the fuck up when James Cameron talks. oh it's pocahontas in space like stop yes, there's iconic themes that exist in a bunch of different mediums, but that Ricks. No doubt. Going to the bottom of the ocean.

1:18:15 I hate the whole, all that, all the baggage, all the people. Just do whatever you want. I had to shoot this thing. one of these situations where you gotta stick You know what I mean? I'm not acting. You name it. relationship with another person now you can you guys think I'm perverted at this point. Well, as a person who watches you, sorry to interrupt you, but that authenticity comes through.

1:21:13 I respect that. That would be the equivalent of the situation No, and I agree with you. there's a guy who did that recently it was a a video about bow hunting and he's trying to do like, this common thing that Your attention span is so short. The bow hunting guy's got to jump around the screen and so on. took a lot of heat in the beginning for people that were telling me i had to edit it oh really

1:24:33 Make it an hour. But it was a who gives a fuck thing. Like, I'm going to do what I want to do. I'm not trying because that's what i want to hear i want to hear people having a conversation and so for me for me, it was just a matter of, well, I'm going to have this conversation. what do you guys do for how long it is the simplest thing sense i think that there's kind of like a a service being like it's surprising to me how many

1:27:00 For you, it's the standard. So I think you're like really aware of it. It gets personal in a different way when you're using this medium where there aren't these definitive parameters that exist in your typical YouTube video, your typical tweet or Vine or whatever it is. actually end up getting here is uh is something that matters substantially more to them well they

1:28:31 Is this where people get that? duncans i listen to all my friends podcasts and different people's podcasts i just think it's an Well, it's my choice. I was unwilling to do it any other way, because I don't want it Nothing against Squarespace at all. I go, well, then I'm not going to have ads. So if I have someone like you on out there pushing that particular message

1:31:04 seen it because i've been there and like um i think to hear somebody like Oh, he used to? Don't do anything that would compromise the quality of it just for profit and as long as you just do that do your best don't I'll know it's a nightmare once I'm in it, And it's like, what the fuck? pretending that they're that it's impossible for me to say that oh how about this how about them

1:33:38 this guy the way he is like leave him alone right you know that's what they signed up for why are Yes. Like, sometimes I would show up with stubble and then be like, you got to shave. It's really fucked up when you think about it. Well, let me tell you something. And she'll just, I'm going to put some anti-shine on your nose. In fact, you could make the argument that if our goal is to connect with people on the

1:35:52 he puts filters on his fucking pictures and you look at him and you go whoa where's what's going Well, you know the situation out over there. It smoothens your skin. of pretty much any flagship, You've seen them, I'm sure uh there was one famous situation where uh that chef who's the chef And one of them, they looked. So, yeah, it's a good point, though.

1:37:57 That's beautiful. Oh, man. All of it is weird. Everybody knows. Yeah, that's true. You want people to look like a fucking cartoon. filters or shenanigans. Unless I was trying to achieve something very strange. I'm a grown-ass man in this place here. Yeah. taking these really, like, Yeah, well, you you know in the early And he has broken the rules. because it's kind of like cheating

1:42:06 It is now. They would – amongst like some of the tight-knit groups on there, some of the bigger photo pages that emerged, it was kind of like, was kind of like hey i had to i built this It's kind of cool. This is CJM underscore photographer. Looking right at him. So I guess he has these prints for sale, but let me pull it up so people can see it here.

1:43:49 So I'm going to decorate the back wall behind me with some other shit. a round of yes okay fine you probably tweeted it then was awesome yeah it's funny when when you come But an eagle capturing a cat and feeding it to his chicks. They fucking scoop up cats all the time. It was a dog. I think it comes back maybe full circle to the whole way that we started this conversation, just about people, whatever's convenient.

1:46:02 You feel small. You're in the woods with the trees and the animals. farming. I think it's fucked up. I think the way we get our food, I think we've, we've made a huge Our world consists of streets and cars and buildings and elevators. And you're out in that world and when when you do it makes everything seem uh it's the the whole predator prey experience seems very intensified like your your connection to your

1:49:00 And it's because of an overabundance of deer, the overpopulation. They pay money. Where the dentist went over and shot Cecil the lion and became this big thing. So they made a wildlife biologist decision to go in there and kill 200 lions to lessen the impact on the undulates. But to maintain that perspective when you're actually in it, I would have to believe and speculate that that's a difficult thing to do.

1:51:35 everything to live forever, but it doesn't work that way. Because first of all, if you don't Not only that, they go and they eat each other. and that back and the people will go what about people people are over Why are you singling me out here? It is a hard thing to break. Hunting is not. There's not enough farming part better? Maybe. Second of all,

1:54:00 and they grind up You know, I mean, unless you're buying absolute organic where there's no pesticides used, you're for sure going to be responsible for the death of millions of bugs. Now, this is a crazy thing that they found with giraffes, the plants that giraffes eat if they're downwind so I give the giraffes are that plants are doing some kind of strange mathematics,

1:55:33 They have dialects. And this is a recent thing where the science behind it is starting to catch up, where it's Right. It relies on them for the very nutrients that it needs to make a plant in the first place. It's going to be very interesting. do we do when we have robot fuck dolls and there's no need to date? The reason that the web was adopted The sort of fundamental needs that people have

1:59:22 And you look at the camera that facebook just came out with i That's what we're going to be. The thing is, the physiology part of it is only part of the conversation. That's what it is, right? Because we know a lot of guys that are henpecked bitches So part of me worries, though, that like in the absence of those interactions, what happens to the psyche of males and females now just kind of allowed to bathe in their own perspective over and over and over again and never have to make those adjustments and never have to make those compromises because

2:02:04 because the need for like for you to be preferable to the other men you don't have to posture you don't have environment where we take that a step further and now we never compromise for other people when we do emerge from our our headset world I don't know if you've ever seen it. No, never heard of it. Oh, I can't remember this. street on this bike that was reversed and what he talks about in the video is about how he has

2:04:38 He could ride the reverse bike or the regular bike. Hmm. He talked to a bunch of- I don't think that, I don't know how critical the test was. You're just riding it. then they came to a really good school, it was incredibly difficult to break them of their bad habits. Whereas if I could get two people and one person was, might know what they can do. And even though what they're doing is not optimized with the most

2:07:57 Better off than the person who starts out with shit technique He didn't have any kind of preconceived notions of what these videos should look like. and be achieving things immediately. scenario and but it gets me thinking about myself too in like in in what are my pathways that i it's weird as a society it seems that we we value for some reason a person who doesn't

2:11:00 And, you know, is it actually a crime to make people prisoners? of i mean even mean in your life in a relationship of course yeah it's like it's like there's this nuanced perspective of the subject at hand it's one of the most uh it's one of the most frustrating A knee-jerk reaction, and he gets to occupy that real estate? that censorship in a lot of ways I mean no I don't think it's have the option to

2:13:54 I wish. It's fucking tiny. The loudest, Where it's like a... Hillary Clinton is spending $1 million to combat forum trolls and people on Reddit and But look at this. disparages her. I don't know. His mom's white. Do you guys have Google? with these newspapers to continue beyond it. Maybe not in the U.S. Nexus devices to make a video about the stuff I'm excited about

2:18:39 so anyway I had some issues with LG's You could like, anyway, that obviously never happened. You can then pull that out and you can put in another module, which is a better headphone amplifier. So here you go. There. I don't want to save. You know, maybe who knows, whatever it is that you might want to improve, you could access that and do so. one that looks like a speaker? That's actually LG's camera one. So that thing is, that's a camera?

2:21:46 so a headphone amp from, I think it's Bang & Olufsen, is super wide angle so you can capture a really wide frame this is one of them that's one of my This phone, for whatever reason, it had no problem linking up the multimedia portion to play the music, the podcast. fits in. It's not completely flush. It's a little bit rough around the edges. And so again, it's not completely flush it's a little bit rough around the edges and so again it's so

2:24:19 what is what's the service illuminate this There's something where with Google, you can pay Google, and that becomes your provider. Oh, they're CDMA. Yeah. they are. I'm not 100% sure. That service is not available where I am. Oh, okay. Is it in Canada? more from a marketing perspective to build awareness around the brand definitely because companies and doing home

2:26:43 the bundle of things that you could have. People are wising up, though. It just says it chooses LTE networks. They might have a white paper somewhere on the internet Is it really going to go from Wi-Fi to Wi-Fi? Yeah. Again, this is kind of, to me, this is kind of along the lines of that modular phone. they're using and how it works And I was like, oh, okay.

2:29:39 So that's exactly what Ting does. Yeah. if you go to Starbucks and use their Boy, that sounds fishy as fuck. think right now for me it would be probably an s7 or the Nexus 6P is in my pocket, which I like. You'll notice it sort of fits in there. like that. I like it. Yeah. Yeah, but not on the screen. Oh, yeah, yeah. is like forward-facing speakers is such a huge thing.

2:32:16 But the thing is, a lot of phone makers keep trying to slim down the devices. The battery life was not bad. and they got a coffee in one hand, But it's so easy to text one-handed with. Like if you invented an SUV and you're like, I don't want to drive an SUV. I just, yeah, I feel like we could have seen a new design. One of the slipperiest phones that exists.

2:34:29 I like it. they're trying to sell a fuck ton of beats headphones what they're trying to do It's not a bad idea. invested in. A lot of people have invested a lot which could be adapted, but essentially it's been that Well, they were the first ones to abandon the floppy disk. to interface with it. That's part of it. for it, you know? Yeah. But anyway,

2:37:16 An adapter, you mean? but they could put out, You'd have to have one or the other. lose their shit and then everybody's going to buy the fucking some laptops. I heard about this. Holy What's happening here? I was one of the guys who helped them with their mice. But I was friends with the id Software guys way back in the day. It was super sensitive and high DPI.

2:39:43 It was real weird. Yeah. mouse sampling? Whereas if you move quicker, it actually covers distance quicker than your movement. friends that were in my quake clan at the time we got together with the razor guy and we had a land party and we all discussed, we brought in a bunch Oh, God, yeah, right. a Razer mouse. what is it called? Could be. yeah it was kind of crude and primitive

2:42:43 one of the buttons And so you have all your keys. This is probably a new one. Really? Yeah, let me give them a shout out. But what ends up happening is you have this digital representation that's overlaid on your own I mean what we're seeing more immersive than than something like this where you can still see your surroundings exactly when a very smooth experience. They've got controllers

2:45:54 So you know the sort of limits of where you can go. Let's play it. Oh my God. Did this come up? See, because if you can establish, if you can get a place that had these black lights, and there's actual walls they've constructed all this stuff. unparalleled visuals and body tracking and 4D environmental effects. I kind of like that. Oh, Jesus Christ.

2:48:52 If something grabs your shoulder, like a zombie from behind, you turn and it actually has Maybe Disney, maybe some Star Wars down the road, you'll be in it. No, that's what I'm saying. They got it all figured out, man. Or be like completely unneedy. Why is Taco Bell going to be? So as long as that continues in that kind of direction, we're going to become more and more passengers and less and less drivers.

2:51:01 He's, like, literally Tony Stark. 100%. The Porsche Model R is so spoken for. Well, you can shut all that stuff off. I have some fucking money burning a hole in my pocket. Right. So in those cases, you understand it. Yeah. The expensive one. 100%. He just drives. And how much control we're willing to give to these systems. and saying, I don't want to be tagged in that photograph because that was an embarrassing

2:55:41 They felt like it was more accessible. Like here's the 50% likelihood. Facebook has this exorbitant amount of data to say people aren't doing that. And before that you didn't do it at all. I'm not wearing one right now, they fucking bother me way too much. It interrupts more than anything else. was the auto responses for questions, for texts, for anything.

2:58:15 How far away do you think we are from entire conversations And we'll be the thing that helps it get to that point. Well, it also, it reduces variables and it cuts down the unlikelihood of success. What works on this other person? Yes. turn your fucking turn your robotic responses off yeah right because what Now, if we can get this system in place to auto-respond, I can't even get to all the

3:01:07 If it is transferable, then it would be you, right? is how our physiology has been kind of the system for the distribution like our own we talked we why am i not making something that I get an incredible amount of fulfillment out of? It's fucked. Bring up a picture of this thing. Sure. But the heroin addicts, it's right there. you have opinion right and in in big big digital companies, they value one way more than the other.

3:04:01 Yes. It's like... You find this punk thing? It has battery life for like two weeks. Okay, but the texting even is that old school method. It's a modern design, If somebody really needs you, they can get in touch with you. I just think they're interesting because they're making that statement it's one of the We certainly do. It already got you. I look,

3:06:55 I have to get to It sounds like I'm shitting on technology. This is what I want to ask you. I'm going to send you How long do I need Oh yeah. Not going to do it. Hmm. for 90 days? Dude, what am I gonna do it's kind of my business, too. Paris just got attacked, or this just happened. It is. Like, it's really harder to Appreciate it, man.