Joe Rogan Experience #794 — Miesha Tate Transcript

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0:00 He's like Metro PCS. I just had to let Misha Tate know the world was flat. There's a lot of people out there in the world that are waking up. You got to stay woke. like the earth being round the earth ain't round the earth's flat as fuck the earth is flat You're woke. You're aware of all the bullshit. You think chemtrails are real? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I have questions.

1:52 It is scientifically proven. Well, because some planes are at different altitudes. commercial planes the little ones those are the ones that make all the chemtrails so i'm like I wondered about this for a long time. I've heard In different parts of the world, they spray, they do what's called cloud seeding. That's been going on for a long time. breathe in and stuff? Yeah.

4:08 and lung disorders. Is that too close? Exactly. Under the same flat earth. Exactly. I've heard it's something to do with crops too or something. It used to be so illegal. It's whatever you make it. And it's beautiful there. Yeah. I couldn't, I lived there for, I mean, I was 18 before I moved to the, the, um, eastern No, I'm from Tacoma. Yeah, I think if I'm not mistaken,

6:40 it was fly by the seat of my pants. your days are probably so filled with training and recovery and eating. you don't have to go travel to see anyone so if you want to just set the cup down for a minute It's nice because there's so much going on. Because there's a lot of gyms there I get to do a lot more charity things with the Boys and Girls Club.

8:40 Yeah. because you know when i lost iran to the last time i knew i. And yeah, you know, a year ago I was so frustrated because, you know, when I lost to Ronda the last time, I knew I had a long road, you know, and to work my way back up. Like I was training my ass off. Like I look like an idiot because here the announcement was made and I didn't even know.

10:36 Yeah. Like for sure. they'd have to do it it would be insane or that guy. And then they get stripped. Like, cause there's like five different sanctioning But it's like it's not that's not my choice you If that's what they come up with, you're like, I'm in. we'll fight each other again she's fighting a valentina shinshenko now yeah that's gonna be Yeah.

13:22 I was just watching her fight with Amanda again the other day. is like much more fleet of foot so it's going to be interesting but holly's not weak either Oh, my God. Yeah, I love it. Are you a cupcake fan? And I've been staying away from a lot of sugars and stuff. so often because i've been doing that for five months i've been eating nothing but that like

15:45 fats too and staying lean and healthy and i feel good so like do you do um like what protocol are Yeah, it's like mousse. and I got like a truffled one. and the liver's really, make sense. Yeah. And beets. Beets. Beets are great for you. an extra boost in training yeah this is a little company called love beats i don't know if they're maybe it was,

17:58 And they have one that's, powerful natural nutrients, like I can taste it sometimes in the water, and I'm like, if I feel like if I can taste it, But if you let it get to room temperature, just buying it from the store, you'll probably and curcumin I've listened to the first one like 5 times What did you ask me? And the kid Khalil, we had a cupcake eating contest.

20:52 And it was like, eh, you're not swallowing another bite of this. It was just all cupcake. I was, like, uh. No problem. It gets you. So when people—oh, here you are. I'm like I couldn't that's the only way it counts i would have speaking of fear factor i always wanted to do that show i And there was some. Yeah, but go ahead. It was in France. I could never give up cheese. It's the one thing, I would

23:58 I'll try it. The other one I was like, people If it smelled anything like what that smelled like, I might have struggled to eat it. I'm sure you could get through it. like if you like look at my like me and like maybe catch cafeteria lunch ladies we probably in your mouth. But it's nothing. That gum is like a tomato hornworm. I'm telling you. Yeah, I do it. I'm telling you.

26:36 I don't know. one of those I don't know it was like those spiders well it's alive oh yeah threw it in there chew it up can they bite you they tried cave dwelling spider i ate one of those too really yeah i ate a lot of shit i ate alive like do anything with animals we we had we did we did do some stuff with snakes it was really feel bad really yeah i don't know what about like lobster and throw lobster in a pot i feel bad

28:48 Yeah. Oh, my God. Like he can't eat salmon? He just doesn't like it at all. So is it like an overdose of fish because everybody's up there eating fish all the time? thousands and thousands of crabs. Red crabs. Wow. They just basically eat rotten things that sharks leave behind, other fish leave behind. What? of his cup of milk and I don't know had to have happened

31:49 Really? What about cupcakes? I don't like, No, I'm okay with this. I went to the hospital I don't know what that is they couldn't get a needle in anymore so they would come in i was just passed out they would come in on the hour and epidurals like i hear really painful too but it's an injection as opposed to like removing the fluid which is more painful

34:39 And I had tried to eat some of the strawberry and the vanilla and I fell asleep and I woke up and I was really hungry and really thirsty. So if somebody brings you, like, a soupy bowl of Neapolitan ice cream right now, I mean, it's... That's amazing. Use caution when giving aspirin to children and teenagers and that's exactly when that's that's why yeah that's why that happened because my mom told me she called she called the

36:30 paying attention to situations and knowledge of things i can never remember people's names maybe Seems like it would be a good idea to do. She's like, you should try to think about your liver being healthy. It's statistically proven that if you have a positive attitude and you believe something can help you, it can help you. back and rub his sternum.

38:19 And the guy turned out to be a total hoax. They do the weirdest things. They're like, it's not working. I think he might have. It's hilarious. Why does this guy think that this would work? He's one of these guys. I'm telling you watch the video it's hilarious i mean i'm like a very powerful thing well there's a gang of videos of these guys that are doing those chi

41:31 Like the discipline and the desire to please your sensei or your sabom nim or whatever you want to call them is intense. I don't remember which one it was. I mean, think about like football from 93 and then football in 2016. This is the guy. Look at it it's like it's chaos but pat smith was like a real fighter this is the guy look at it he just came charging at pat smith and tried to i don't know why he clinched up

43:16 Are you serious? He probably thought that it was real. like the belief in what you can do, what you can't do. oh that guy there's so many of those people though so many of those weird one of the first Is that how you say his last name? That's what he joined up with. And he decides to have an actual no rules fight with this young Kyokushin guy. And it's not like a healthy old 60 either.

46:08 I've been hypnotized. And he does what he calls himself a mind trainer. And what he does is he can talk to you and put you in a state of mind. It's almost like he puts you in like it's like you're under a drug or something like that. What did you come up with that name? But there's so much more beneath it. And your subconscious mind is we're talking about the power of mind.

47:53 me because he talks about how he helps people who have like phobias for instance someone who has a i mean i i think that there's a as he said there's a bunch of layers to the mind but i think that one believe it. And he couldn't explain why it would work on some people and why it wouldn't work on Yeah. age for her age she does that's the big part though for her age yeah right she still looks

50:13 he would tell them Yeah, let's see if it really worked. I'll connect you guys together. It's interesting. Yeah. Basketball players, even if there's a lot of pressure for a three-point shot, I mean, it's like when you lose, sometimes it's not, unless you're the kicker on a football beings you can get outside of sword fighting yeah you know outside of fighting to the death there's

53:05 you have to be a fool to not know that it's a dangerous fight so it's not a matter of not being Because if you rush into Holly, it's like rushing into Machida like you know like ah you know like I couldn't even tell, like she gave no indication of which way she was going to Yeah. I was happy with that. It was all a scramble. final round. I'm like, oh, my God, she's going to go out.

56:23 you sink the choke in and she's trying to fucking shake you off and you hung in there and when she rolled and you're on top of i wasn't quite sure if she was tapping or what she was doing until i watched the video later you know, It was better. Oh, yeah. When I watched it, it makes me relive that moment. And basically he was just telling me, I fucking Mike Tyson or like, get after her, you know,

59:01 she was so, so cautious in the third and fourth and so perfect. You know, her game plan was You've got to finish the fight. But what I meant was the question watching it was like when you were headed into the fifth round, That's crazy. What does it sound like? it i've i had visualized that moment so many times that i felt like i was confused in that

1:01:33 If you had like, if auras were real, you know, like fucking, if you had chi, it was coming off your body for sure. I could only imagine. did in that fight and even what holly did because up until that fifth round i mean like you said the best moments in MMA because it's such a fucking hard thing to achieve, to become a champion. And then all of a sudden you have this opportunity.

1:03:40 best yeah something they kind of threw on the card is kind of like, watch the chicks fight. What kept you going during those times? I didn't think about the future too much early on. feel, you know, a memory, an experience, happiness, you know, those emotions, you know, people say, to be quite honest. He was not, he was embarrassed that his granddaughter was a fighter and he would

1:06:39 down there visiting. He lives in Florida, so very, very far away. And I told him, I was like, you know as a little girl like he didn't take me four-wheeling or um you know riding dirt bikes dad says this is like one of the moments i realized you were different he's like you just popped up So it was just something that was just in you. well, what if it's the opposite? Like, what if you had a parent that was telling you that you're

1:09:36 seven eight years old and I want to be an astronaut like every little kid they're like yeah yeah It's probably good to have someone who wholeheartedly believes in you and someone else who's like doubting you. Because she's so manic. like to be stressed out and I don't like to be pissed off and I don't like to not be happy. So that I'm like, no, my taxes, I'll do those later. You know, like that kind of thing.

1:11:52 Yeah. I'm like, I never want to be that person. When he was in his prime, he was just a ball of fury. Yeah. like a pejorative but i don't mean it that way. I mean, like, uh, it's almost like a Zen, like you have a very Zen thing going on. Yeah. And that's, you know, I used to have issues with why do I have that why why what am I afraid of you know it's like well i'm not i'm not afraid enough to where i'm not going to do it so let's just not make it a

1:14:44 devastating. It's crushing. That's the most scary thing. could ever dream of. And it's devastating. That's scary. That's really scary. that my world had ended. You know, my second loss to don't either bothers you or it doesn't you know either you yell back at everyone or you don't I mean, this is a total new field. that's like the most primal way to deal with something.

1:17:37 And I'm just like, you idiot. And this kid, this little skinny fucking kid with a smile on his face wanted Rashad to sign that. do you stick in it I mean just Like you're saying, how's it going to feel to get your ass kicked again? Like, I watched Conor McGregor's social media after Nate Diaz beat him. Just the deluge of twats. I see Chris Weidman training, I watch

1:20:20 okay, like, what is this Rockhold fight going to play off like? And then when Rockhold beats him and beats him down the way he did Like, I can't imagine being him right now. you know, he's pissed. i saw holly um once since since the fight and i was really actually kind of nervous about it Like, how, what do I say? to i want to uh see you again in the future. I'm like, yeah, I totally get it.

1:22:56 Ridiculously nice. though oh yeah yeah why i don't know i don't even know if i've ever met him in person i probably haven't maybe i have if i did it wasn't memorable anyways um i guess he went like dana went down And you want to take her lightly? He's an idiot. don't know her that well but But anyway, she felt the need. And the Reebok people were like, don't ask Rhonda for a picture.

1:25:26 you cross me blah blah she's like cross you what are you talking about and she's like you And she's like, you know, I just simply told Holly congratulations once. All or none. people love Nate Diaz for that. you know, I am. people of my crew with me too. He does more. So he gets more. When they bring him to Vegas, Do whatever you want. his own thing. The thing is, is that I showed up the day to film the commercial and I had two

1:28:47 affected me so yeah his decision did and it probably is actually you know I haven't made Well, I feel like there's a bunch of issues here. It's hard to say, but the way he went about it was ridiculous. Like what? They have to set a precedent. This is what it is. So that's why he was like, you've got to show up and do, you know, that's how Conor was made.

1:30:53 I mean, at what point do you get to decide like when you don't have to, like, like I of what's selling the fight was that i don't know they did a lot of it but apparently conor What is the furthest you've ever had a flight of fight? I try to start adjusting my schedule at home, like blacking out my windows a little bit or, you know, like to, to make the

1:32:38 And like and if she wins, it springboards her, you know, then she'll be 17 and 0. And they said ticket sales went up and everything was really good. you're driving to the next place, they'll have you on the phone with with the with the with the, Yeah, who knows? I don't take that away from him for a minute. He wanted to stay home and or he was in Iceland I guess training

1:34:58 I honestly think he's better off like sequestering himself for a few months, like really focusing on what went wrong, how to correct it. When I was watching Nate beat him up on the ground and then choke him, I was like, whew, that happened quick. They don't just, they don't come overnight. There's no way to fast forward through that. Like they're doing all these cartwheels and stuff.

1:36:41 when it actually comes to fighting skills. That's it. You know, understanding takedowns yourself, taking people down if you must, throwing kicks and punches, takedown defense, and jiu-jitsu on the ground. That's it. you have to say, okay, how much of this stuff is going to help me? Yes. Whether it's against the cage or whether it's on the ground, your body is using a equation.

1:38:36 Yeah, and you look at someone who's like really good at one aspect of MMA, Well, he's doing all kinds of crazy shit. He's never over himself, at least with the striking part of it. He is like a, like a, a gymnast in the sense, you know, they do those flip and then they want to just boom, stick it. opponent we should probably say immediately people start questioning everything you did

1:41:01 She's such an elite athlete that she can do what she's doing to anybody. And then her trainer saying that she could go box women professionals and knock them It really is, right? It's addicting. Yeah. I don't know. It is weird, but quality. Yeah. I don't know. about anything, inside the octagon She's a fucking silver medalist in the Olympics. Okay. Uh-oh. I'm scared now. top game. You do. We should grapple sometime. Okay.

1:43:14 No, I'm sure you do. they they encompass a lot of what you need in mma and if you're the better wrestler you can decide And that's kind of what you have to do. And I think when you're such an elite, elitist at something, And, you know, as soon as they get involved emotional, never getting away from the game plan. Carlos Condit head kicks him and drops him.

1:46:04 who wants to bite down his mouthpiece and just swing away and like, come on, seven, and hope for the best. confident in yeah it's like just go as hard as you can well it's also like a really good debate Like Aldo's just so mad at McGregor from all this fucking shit talking he's been doing If you don't believe you can do it or whatever, if you don't have the confidence in your mind, you won't.

1:48:21 know the first fight with mendez he just looks insane he looked tremendous and make sure that you're in peak performance level, but you're not overtraining? Like who, who designs So when you first wake up in the morning, um, from my understanding, the more, like the more And it reads it, the heart rate variable, and tells you whether you're actually recovered or not.

1:50:22 And it's really easy to read. Maybe just go for a nice run. And that's what makes you stronger. guess you know you're gonna go in there and you're gonna push through it there's times for that but um i don't question my mental Just a little bit of discomfort and pain is normal. possible heavyweights and the fedor one always has to have an asterisk because he was fighting in pride and it was, you know, the steroid era.

1:53:32 And, you know, they talked about it like they had measured his his creatine levels and his Yeah. are going they're hitting mitts they're just you know they're ripping the big takedowns and they're Yeah. of the greatest champions ever and when you look at his title run and his reign of the 170-pound division He was incredible. Here's a guy who's like this elite taekwondo guy

1:56:35 You've got to be aware of things coming from all these crazy angles. It's like, he's got so much skill. his ankle like the the band things you know train with it on he had to train with that but he did Feely's something too. He's a tough at all? A little bit. so wild with his kicks. It's all you can get. and has all that shit That guy is like, he's like Gumby.

1:59:38 He doesn't wear shoes. I'm pretty flexible too, I grappled with him once like years ago. like good that's good because i really dread the day when people like man you look like a fighter That got off real quick. You've got your ankles. because it just strengthens it strengthens it and stretches it to the point where you know like if Huh. thought my feet were bad.

2:03:25 Yeah. i could weigh 160 pounds as long as i look good and feel good like you know people were just kind you're supposed to be 99 or less. you lose weight, Yeah. Oh yeah. And she had heavy. What? You're too heavy. Really? Yeah. Yeah. You put a number on things. conditioning program are you on um i go usually like two, three days a week and I go to this place called Phase One Sports

2:06:05 anaerobic you're throwing five six punches and you're doing that without oxygen anaerobic and I got criticized a lot actually in high school because I was pretty buff in high school and I wrestled. have wrecked them you know but i was just kind of like passive i was a people watcher um and uh Were you wrestling dudes or were you wrestling girls? No.

2:08:05 yeah but it's way more fun there was like you can't do it She's out of her fucking mind. didn't pee a couple of times. I'm like, this is not the sport for me. I can't jump very high. But I loved it. I'm like,. And I always thought wrestling was so weird. Like in middle school as a kid, I'm like, what are they doing? Yeah. Like I didn't know what I was doing.

2:10:21 Yeah. Because I think they had had a couple years before a girl come out. much. It was fucking hard, really, really hard. was the actual wrestling I don't know. They didn't want us there. Was that the first time that you knew about yourself For people who have never done anything difficult, too, it's probably like their first introduction. I was competing against guys. I can't remember exactly. I think I beat a girl like later in the season my first year and I lost my very first wrestling match was actually against another female, which was rare. And I lost by points, but she was like a senior. So, you know, it was whatever I just tried to know. I got pinned. That's a lie. I remember I got pinned. She she was a senior it was like second round and I

2:13:27 is that we didn't have 152 pounder. We had two 145ers. So I wrestled 145. I didn't know how to cutting weight nobody nobody taught me anything about cutting weight except you throw a garbage so half the time i'm wrestling 152 pound men like i'm weighing in at 145 on var on the varsity team make it yeah you gotta keep going one time do Do you know what a Saturday night ride is?

2:15:58 I remember he wrestled for White River and he went out and just bulldozed me right over but if it was effective why is that more embarrassing just because your legs are all Oh, it's not really pulling up. It was just like demoralizing. People couldn't turn me over. So it was like, you can't go past that or you're going to dislocate her arm. And then you get into freestyle wrestling, which you can throw people and slam them.

2:18:30 Yeah. Yeah. That's where jujitsu comes in. It's like start putting some pressure on the throat He's pushing against your, I was amazed when I saw that fight Have you wrestled? because I was doing both. yeah like after i was so sore i remember like we used to do these sprints upstairs and shit We struggled a lot financially growing up. And, uh, but I'm glad that I didn't come from super privileged cause it just gives me a whole different perspective.

2:21:26 what did you start out with um i think it was just kickboxing yeah just normal like learning That's crazy. I'm like, listen, do you know what you can do to guys on the ground? But so many people that are really good at one thing, you know, Like now there's more regulations and they don't allow it just because a lot of times amateurs are still learning.

2:23:42 wrestling so i just like wrestled her the whole time. And then the second round, I came out and I threw a one-two-one-two Bam, bam, bam. still shooting but I kind of like slump out of the you know off of the legs a little bit I'm a And this pool of blood is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. the rest was kind of like, eh, you know, but I was the wrestler. Fuck you. Like get off my back.

2:26:33 bummed because that was the turning point in the fight for me that's when it actually became a and my cheekbones. Like it just went straight out. It was flat like a lion. And then it just in the back of my mind i know that i can't say anything at the moment, but in the back of my mind, I was thinking, leg you know people were like the other way like well you know good luck in your fight don't break

2:29:28 Have you ever thought about having it fixed? It helped him a lot. always sound really nasally now too like i listen to myself like i'll probably go back and listen Yeah. out of your nose i'm sure it would help you in a lot of ways yeah i have to look into it yeah i mean uh so like when i was a kid um i went to a doctor It's nothing. Did they re-break your nose?

2:32:08 But I mean, compare my nose though to like Vanderlei. But with Vandelay, he probably had that done too. one way like when he fought chuck yeah and then like he he looked like a completely different He spars like all, all out. I've talked to people that spar with him and they were like, what in the fuck? That's not what he sounds like at all. That's what it was like.

2:34:05 drug test. I don't know who the fuck knows what he was doing. He definitely did some shit, to treat him as an example and not respect him as a pioneer of the sport what my thought is you should treat him as if he pissed He would have been back fighting already. of Vitor and Dan Henderson these guys that were on TRT that all of a sudden started doing really

2:36:31 doing a bad thing we're doing a silly thing and we're letting fighters compete compromised i think And as long as no one's dehydrated, let's take hydration levels. Five pounds can be a lot if there's a lot of wrestling. It's a bigger percentage of their body weight. be a better way to um organize weight classes and i just don't know if forcing someone like

2:38:40 And look how big this one, which one do you think is going to win? And that's how it got more specific. Yeah. I'm going to guess and say she probably cuts from about 150. It's not dehydrating. people are not dehydrating themselves it can't be roughly. who died last year from weight cutting. And the IV ban, from my understanding, it's kind of silly because they say like, well, you know, because it can mask like, what is it, EPO or something?

2:42:08 cheat. There's no, you're not going to IV up for, you know, a real quick 10 minute and like, no, that plastic residue that comes from the tubes in your body, Wait, you're saying by using the IV and injecting an EPO, is that what you're saying? That's what EPO replicates. Yes, you would have too much blood. is tricky stuff but it's uh it's also a drug that you know a lot of fighters have gotten caught for yeah well i thought because i didn't think about that but i thought epo is it's also a drug that a lot of fighters have gotten caught for.

2:45:08 but another one is the possibility of using these bags and these tubes to add additional blood to your body. With yams? I mean, the edge that you got, think about all the strength and conditioning that you did, Yeah. sport like that like i don't know i think sometimes people do it because they think other people are But then Fitch pissed hot. Yeah, well, and that's the problem.

2:48:30 That it really sort of highlights And how much can you achieve through that? Some people, not everyone. especially with my striking, because it wasn't something I ever focused on before. That sounds weird. Like I didn't focus on it. on my strength and conditioning actually making a regiment and doing doing all the things that I And now as a champion, do you have more confidence now being a champion?

2:51:37 not not only do i know but everyone else knows too you know it's a different feeling it's a No, she's no joke. She beat her down. She hit her so hard that she just made her want to quit. And then she climbed That's never a good game plan. Yeah. Yeah, and I think with her, one of the things that I said about Holly in the Ronda fight, the thing with nutrition the thing with your mind, she has to show up a hundred percent focused. And so for someone like you, you have to look at her, like her potential and look at all of,

2:54:42 look past her because i think that would be a huge mistake. I want to focus on that. I want to focus on Amanda. but I know in the back of my mind, and I want, in that. Here I am standing the strongest that I've ever stood and I've already been through that. that. That's okay. I've been in this position before. Most people didn't think I was going to

2:57:15 just like Holly was like, they're like, when do you want to fight again? She's like, tomorrow I'm like, that just doesn't sound like someone who really wants this anymore. that really love you are still really, really there for you. Everyone else is just like, I can recognize things. I couldn't be doing that. It would have just making a movie. I couldn't be doing that.

3:00:01 She could have fought because they said You know what it's like. And if I had to, I think it would eat me alive. she comes back. And then, but the other thing too is like, you know, she's like, you know, I got to get back and like win a fight. I'm questioning where her true motivation is coming from. And I think she's going to come back and I think she's going to fight.

3:03:15 Yeah. If you don't like it, I'm not going to apologize for my opinion. Yeah. No. that I she thought that I like did that I'm like first of like first of all like I didn't even know until the day she dies. And I'm okay with that. That's fine. We don't need to be friends. That's Thank you. Thanks for being on the podcast, too. There's nothing I can do.