Joe Rogan Experience #797 — Alex Grey & Allyson Grey Transcript

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0:00 And we're live. You don't have headphones? Remember when Joey Diaz couldn't figure out the headphones? The last time that we spoke to you, we were doing a Kickstarter campaign to build Entheon. Oh, look at that. We're saving the carriage house from 1882. Oh, so you surrounded it with art. That's just one room on the third floor. And I always wanted to he went to uh the wrong alex gray he went to some where we're trying yeah yeah that's relevant

3:17 On top of the building, there's a steeplehead He's an amazing modeler. evolutionary thing going on of those narratives of development And then it was sculpted in teak. The originals will be on view inside because they're made of teak. with the evolution thing? And the drip also looks like an eyeball. or are we just going to blow it? C-O-S-M? three times where we were last. We did this campaign the same length, the same days, three years ago in 2013, and we're three times ahead of where we were. And we actually, well, we did 160% of our goal the last time. So we're challenging ourselves to even higher.

8:10 Well, it really depends on the money that we raise to do the exterior. The interior we're going to have done by 2017, and we're aiming at the winter of 2017. It's a 3D printout 20 feet high by 8 by 8. Oh, yeah. will make it enduring. community. That's our actual mission. Do you guys have a caretaker when you pass? Have you already I trust you guys with the church.

11:09 The real issue is whenever you have something that you're going to call a church or a religion God, that gets tricky. embodiments of creative energy. And that creative energy can be used for the And I think that that's still what we're trying to do. Is there an evolving edge for religion? It's impossible. It's just not possible. And so how do you unite a world

17:15 You're trying to make this amazing place where people can go and see expression and see, And then some artists show up, you know, and they start having their studios and various things like that. That's what a lot of people think of when they think of the word religion. Because I feel that we're intimately connected with whatever that religious impulse.

19:48 To what? And French. You just came back from Venice. Yes, they're a hell of a lot of trouble when you get to the secondary religious experience, which is everything else that you think about religion. It leads to science. it leads to art, You're always going to have one evolving point of view. We have that. It's part of the IRS requirement and the state attorney general.

23:59 Relax? That's where it gets really fascinating, is the tax-exempt status of religion. We had recently moved to New York together. you know Alex always, we met in art school But anyway, the way we became a church was a friend of ours who started Sirius Satellite you're doing everything the churches do. really, and she paid a lawyer. and then they give you more essays. And it was maybe three times through essays,

27:20 and they were not paying real estate tax. when we were in Manhattan for five years. You had security to make sure that people didn't pass drugs around? We always have security. groups of people. Brooklyn. So we did. We started in January of 2003, 164 consecutive full moons ago. We started came there to build, is building four. Actually, we have a 10 bedroom Victorian guest house and a

30:23 Did you? You need to start a church. You should. Cool. away and that's that's like a super conservative number that's horrible people isn't that crazy religion is it was great for me because it it just queered me off religion so young so early off i And it was just like, well, there's got to be, if all these people around me are out of their mind and everyone's crazy, there's got to be God.

32:41 And I went there. to find my way out of this. I'm like, I'm not doing this. You had a bullshit detector that was always acutely attuned. you don't want to be that guy that carries a gun to the bathroom. You know, there's, I know a lot of people that have surpassed this awareness and gone into this like acute paranoia. the news that people have this distorted sense of what the world is.

35:22 It's nice. I don't think it is. acts, you know, that could be sending waves, a smile could actually prevent somebody from committing suicide. And that stopped me from doing it. Now, I don't know that I would ever call God a center of peace. There you go. But again. from nine until five. You got to run Yeah, you do. Why do you want to run? Well, we wanted to get to the Sistine. No, you don't want to do that the first time. Yeah, you do.

39:12 when it kicks in. amazing too and some of them are you guys but we had been to vatican before i have to say so when You know, that was all I wanted to see anyway. did like being Catholic. How long did it take for him to do that? Michelangelo had painted. I just want to say that the purity of the religion, the place where it's really true, like that beautiful, what it actually means at the core, at the heart core of any religion, is expressed through the art of that religion.

42:41 But what is that? when they think of God and they think of religion. I grew up in the Jewish tradition, which is a non-iconic tradition. 20, I recognized this is what people are gets so fucking squirrely. life as if those things you're showing it doesn't exist in a static I don't remember what they were about, but I remember the visions that I was having turned

49:12 literally manifesting energy. You're manifesting a certain kind of energy with negative thinking. You could think of it like an amoeba around your physical body, a cloud of pulsating thought forms. And when you're in touch with that infinite light that seems to be the source, And so I think you really beautifully described that just in that I was totally there.

52:05 build uh like a conscious ideology that that is sort of uh prescribed to people and establish They're diseases of consciousness. You know, and we were talking about Hillary It's rarely been an election where that isn't true. But I remember all the elections of my life. Yeah. And he actually won. Oh, my God. Is that right? Like a third party could enter in data.

56:07 Sure. How often? And we're not taking advantage of the resources that are available to us as far as representing the actual people. I think there's this ebb and flow of social media and positive emergence of a very bizarre method of communication where you can instantaneously reach people but this fucking thing's going to emerge and it's going to fly.

59:45 Now we have connectedness with each other. Like that's how big this organism is. Yes, yes. They're literally sending out a signal to the other plants hey hit the alarm we're I don't know what kind of a mushroom that is. Yeah. Wait a minute. We have a Zendo at Cosmo. They bring it in pieces and put it up, erect it. Alex named it. and speak for the hippies uh because because i think that this is like one of the last places where it's okay, you know, like it's no longer okay to say nigger or queer, okay?

1:04:42 Okay. And, you know, Burning Man used to have the genital portrait studio and the— Used to be. They have open bars there and there's no bartering. It's only It's a dome frame. There's no insects there. have some infrastructure you said that like somebody offered you a a beautiful cake they're That's really cool. It's nine feet. It's mammoth. You have to have your own food.

1:08:05 these great big uh gray water tankers and take them away and bring in fresh water it's like I think I'd get material out of it. I don't even know. So when the man is burned, 80,000 people come together to see it. And they're spinning whips, my friend Joe. Art cars are incredible. you go to see the man and you can see all these fire spinners that are all around this. You want

1:10:37 back with you? How does that work? It's like you drive into this moon-like planet. You can't believe how much you try to save water. All the painting is the opposite. How do you power that thing? This thing is filled with beautiful lights. up there and their best friends oh I thought it was your friends oh no no alex Don't worry. There's two stacks.

1:13:20 What kind of music are you playing? You know, they'll do a, and then they'll do an evening event. Is that what that is? Some people have motor, well, they have to have a, well, I don't know. Do you want to do that though? for the whole time. Look at him. No, tons. Look at that guy. I love it. What about your eyes? I have had a good time there But she was 14, and we were there.

1:16:24 It seems like this is a great idea in a shitty spot, and this could be recreated somewhere habitable. Mm. Oh, definitely. Well, you don't go to the Hajj every year. We've been to five times. If you- It's an art festival. So you can really look at amazing sculptures. Of course. People don't know what to do with them afterwards. That's amazing. Many of them, most of them are interactive.

1:18:05 That's really pretty. This is the Belgian waffle. Here's beautiful. Because you can light things on fire there. That's what makes it so exciting, too. That's really pretty. Like, they're pods. listening, we're looking at this We know these guys. It's called, Jamie, Fest 300, a sneak peek at the coolest art coming to Burning Man. Maybe if you bring a big tour bus

1:19:53 from Reno. It's in Nevada. Woo. It's made of crushed shell. They're cracking. But then it's like knives. And it gets to be like 110 degrees in the day and 40 degrees at night. sculptural areas. We always have fire circle and we always have fire spinning. And so we, you know, safety first. And there are small art exhibits that are on display now. You could win the Powerball lotto.

1:23:38 Look, Joe, you were really helpful to us when the last time we did the podcast there was definitely a rogan bump that And then with the YouTube. implicating me in something um i think that there's going to be a lot of people that are essentially an extension of the great works of all these, you know, when you're talking about the Sistine Chapel, or if

1:25:37 And Giclés and everything. It's a print. You know, they're evolving beyond, you know, my work. And once we realize the ridiculousness of the prohibition on drugs, especially on psychedelic drugs, non-toxic, non-problematic as far as like health repercussions. And they're looking at the rising sea levels, and they go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1:28:46 It's huge. I think that it's showing that the big news today is the sacramental The UDV Church won their right to use the sacrament. we've got to find a way to incorporate these sacraments? Well, I think they're being incorporated. and that's one of the reasons why when people eat brownies or something they'll say oh my god someone 10 years from now.

1:32:02 than they've ever made before. and it was amazing. Lowest incidence of violent crime. They literally have a surplus of taxes. I'm so ashamed of us. And they've really underestimated the power of this movement. It can have a power. And so we have the endocannabinoid system. And a lot of it has just been pure racism. They knew they could attack the communities.

1:36:17 we have the drug war that now for over 40 years just microscopic. Well, you remember the, the remember the revelation that they had a few years back And then they started freaking out and blaming people for it and thinking that they were being possessed. I guess But as a result. of people who take a psychedelic, basically, in in a positive setting and they don't, you know, they're not pre-schizo themselves, you know, not a borderline personality.

1:39:47 What science is being done? all the big universities that MAPS can get funding for. I think that's it's so important. It's just it's these are miraculous. We know it exists. The Department of Defense ought to be using it for our poor vets your life and slowly perhaps slowly erode the memories of this and give yourself some psychological It's amazing.

1:44:15 And it's sort of the, You can look at your behavior or what happened to you with more dispassion. but it literally is that way. Buildentheon.com. Yeah, it's coming. Great rewards. Appreciate you very much. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.