Joe Rogan Experience #801 — Gary Johnson Transcript

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0:00 Johnson, what's happening, buddy? We're in a very strange time. politics today, that Trump has to go out and get 30% of the far right to get the nomination. Yeah. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being a libertarian. No government. Well, back to right now, Libertarian nominee, and I hope to be the Libertarian nominee, that happens next weekend,

4:26 And was this all established back when Ross Perot sort of shook up the political establishment? come this fall, if my name does not appear in another single poll, the Presidential Debate Commission will say, Gary Johnson, he just didn't poll high enough. Bruce Fine's claim to fame is that he brought Nixon down in Watergate. Yeah, that is the show. I mean, for the most part, most people don't even go to the polls. Most people don't even vote.

7:50 be the case. Which should be the case if the system isn't totally rigged. Because the problem is Yeah, I would be surprised too. going on forever and keep control of the power right on and this but this cycle You've got to take this political quiz. I align with Bernie Sanders 73 percent of what he says. Now, when it comes to economics, we come to a T in the road. When it comes to socialism versus, you know, being an entrepreneur, when it comes to big to choose. Hey, let's stop with these military interventions.

11:03 Where does 50 percent of Republicans go that really are, at the end of the day, you know, socially tolerant and fiscally conservative. And I think that is the majority of wouldn't apply to like things along the lines of gay marriage or same-sex unions or anything along Well, and it's so polarizing because those issues at the end of the day, I've identified myself as such since. I think it's very typical that, well, in New Mexico, I remember in the 80s, early 80s, there was a congressional debate, Republican, Democrat,

14:38 a third party will slowly but surely emerge. And it seems to be gaining ground. And it could be this cycle, but so far, no. and the other person jumps in. you believe? No, actually, what everything is riding on for me is being in the polls. themselves. It's just fascinating that we look, nobody really knew who Bernie Sanders was until That's the real proof that this is a locked up system.

17:13 comes to Democrats, look, they do grow government. And I really believe that bigger government, statistically, it doesn't help. And that isn't to say, you know, I'm in the camp that believes that Now, when you say those in need, like particularly or specifically, what programs or what's in place right now that you don't agree with? job? And I point that out just as this was a line drawn that this is now a benefit of being on welfare.

20:03 let's say the government is giving you $100 a month. Having done the exact same thing in New Mexico, the Supreme Court ruled that what I did administratively was unconstitutional. because everybody had to go out and get a job. Now the legislature sued me immediately on the we did in legislation, but they never did that. So what you're saying is what you did was effective,

22:47 It's just, it is the nature of the beast. But you should, that shouldn't, that should never dissuade you as an executive And if you did, what was the argument against what you did? made that, in fact, a national program emulated by other states because we would have shown success doing it. And you saved 20%. A bill was sent to the state, Medicaid, and the state paid that bill.

26:27 so health care for those over 65, I think the federal government needs to devolve both of these you are in charge of health care delivery to those that are poor, welfare, and health care to those that are over 65. what we really need when it comes to health care is just free market solutions to health care. of money is being spent on it. Is that what you're saying? Well, right now, health insurance would be

29:46 It's not like they're getting extra treatments. Look, we go into the hospital right now. they're going to have to spend for health care can be catastrophic. A certain dollar amount. incredibly painful if you get it scoped a few thousand dollars. So sort of like the way they do like Lasix eye surgery today? that you are perhaps callous or uncaring about poor people.

34:03 with legalized marijuana in Colorado bringing in more tax revenue than alcohol for the first time ever. I mean, this is Washington state has done the worst job, meaning that the taxes are so high in Washington state It applies to every single – Well, and are there regulations as far as personal growing? But more significant than the tax revenue is the savings

37:07 at the heart of the militarization of our police forces is breaking down doors in the name of Look, immigration is really Yes. apples to apples, oranges to oranges, the private prisons offered up the same goods and services for two-thirds the price. Amazing that they can even profit and offer. to the prison industry, guess again. Federal courts are running the prisons in New Mexico.

40:54 towards growth. And when you have a private prison that profits off of people being in jail, there's just a logic behind gee if you're a private prison then you're in it for the money Right. I'm fidgeting around. without their input. Joe, you nailed it. Just extend that to other things that we see also. Well, like I say, you're logical. If you look at the statistics, you look at the amount of money that's being spent on it, most people would say this is fucking crazy.

44:46 That either side of it lobbies for more lockup. What you're talking about is maximizing your profit as a guard. comes with 15 cents worth of strings attached. The federal government says, here, we're going to Well, make accommodation. implemented. Well, let's talk about that one step, because is there any benefit at all to being It's an issue for certain individuals in certain environments.

48:02 that corresponds to the gender on your birth certificate. Like you literally have to just go and get your paperwork changed. Right. This is not an issue. to a man, she decides she's a man at heart and she changes that under birth certificate. So if a woman decides to become a man or transition to a man, she decides she's a man at heart, and she changes that on her birth certificate,

50:54 And have there been any reported incidents of anything anywhere? they're outraged. You want to stop this law. governments that would do us harm. And I'm running for president of the United States. Right, so people become more and more aware of it. at the end of the day aren't most of us absolutely tolerant of that most of us yeah and the people But see, there's some men.

54:16 But then on the other side, I've seen – choices and then you have like what do you do with that guy choices? though see i think it'd be less of an issue. And if you had municipalities thinking about it all across the country, I bet there'd be I'm just guessing. Well, yeah, it's a lot of money. A lot of money. And the federal government's And again, I'm not right.

57:23 It's probably far less than that. It's 0. 1% of people that become transgender? I doubt it. It's probably far less than that. Very – out. You've probably spent as much time or more time than I have in Europe. But you know what? The showers are showers are men and women. It's men and women. And the showers are men and women, both. We're spreading awareness that, oh, shoot,

59:25 That might not necessarily be a good thing. what kind of government is this well gary johnson's a psychopath just awareness you know as you were I mean, like as in with alcohol abuse. Well, here in this country, you can drive at 14. I mean, what are the differences between the hurdles of someone who governs a state versus Supreme Court even? I think I'm the best example of term limits.

1:03:30 And so I went to meet with these judges, and I didn't know what it was going to be about, but it was six judges, Portland, Oregon, state district judges. but if cocaine were legal, these people would be using cocaine instead of methamphetamine without No. You can argue that if it were legal, if quality quantity was known, incredible. And it's because we're aware of the effects of alcohol. And it's pretty, when you get

1:06:52 Those are two effects that have dropped pretty drastically, noticeably, statistically, because of the legalization of marijuana. vibrant. And does it have to do with marijuana? I think that that's an ingredient comprised in We buy hemp protein from Canada. Very effective for people. It was about hemp. The conspiracy of DuPont to promote nylon as opposed to,

1:09:50 So we're in a strange time that it's 2016. In 1999, I was the highest elected official in the United States to call for the legalization of marijuana. I'm glad that he's joined the big crowd. Do you think that ultimately the idea of having one individual that's the figurehead of an I have a theory that the best way to run things would be that every 16 years, we would have a benevolent dictator take over

1:13:06 Someone could fake being benevolent. What would be one of the first things you did? It is about liberty and freedom. about minimizing government? Well, without any legislation whatsoever, and I am speaking now, So going back to what we had discussed earlier, that when government gets too big, of as people leave, as people retire, you know, quit, retire, that you just not backfill those

1:17:44 So what do you do with something that's very controversial and often criticized like I either get to sign or veto legislation. going into a massage It's when you're assigned to a job in government, the more important you are is the more work that you have. Like someone has to say, good idea, go after the massage parlors. Exactly. In this case, where's the

1:20:06 that came in and what they had to say. Now, they could come in for anything. They come in for a But I mean, you're talking about 300 million people. I'm going to put that out there. which was off the shelf, that would have been $4 billion. frame. It wouldn't be fraud or abuse necessarily? Yeah just total right you know what where's the logic behind that

1:23:43 Well, what's insane is that it was originally agreed upon without, I mean, if they had like an order, an initial order. Not a design tweak. That's redesigning an incredibly new... Point is, it would not have gone unnoticed by me as governor, and I'd have gotten right into the middle of it. Yeah, that's pretty gross. if they try to shoot it down or something crazy like that?

1:26:31 It seems a little silly. I'll just take the back seat. this election is very tricky, obviously. But what kind of odds do you believe there are for 2020? Wasn't Roseanne Barr one of them? the nominee of one of these two parties. Right. Or that you be included in the polls. And right now, because of just how polarizing Hillary and Trump are, that just being in the polls, that that will register enough dissatisfaction with any third party name, in this case, me, that I'd like to think that all the things that we've talked about right now, you wouldn't hear out of the mouths of either Hillary or Trump.

1:30:16 So, well, the real problem is a lot of the stuff that he said running versus what he's done in office, like the Hope and Change website that talked about whistleblowers. And then you look That's what I wanted to get to next. We know what's really going on. The entire NSA is an executive order. you would be in a bad place. So you'd have to kind of work with them, right? Isn't that the

1:32:37 Edward Snowden, I mean, he laid it all out there. There's one coming out soon. They showed up. was a crime being committed at all, that crime was being committed by the NSA. If you demonize That means that the crime that he exposed was so significant that it was valid for him to violate It's not just that simple, right? Total surveillance as far as mass surveillance.

1:36:11 And they don't want to stop. I need to expand what I'm doing because it's so important. I mean it wouldn't be so simple. because if people know that the government has been paying attention to all their emails and Like if you're one of those people that decides to Edward Snowden it from here on out, boy, We don't even know. And he started saying, like, listen, I was talking about this in the early 2000s.

1:39:31 Yeah, here's the guy, Bill Binney, the original NSA whistleblower on Snowden 9-11 and illegal there is a process, the Fourth Amendment, there is due process. So if there's a bad guy out there music coming out of his mouth, what are his words that are so beautiful and melodic about this? been worse on freedom of the press than any other president. We look at Bush as being like this

1:42:21 bunch of stupid shit like this is our guy this is our guy. This is our guy, finally. or more than 80% civilians being killed versus the intended target? they make the call. Well, first you've got to— We're still full steam ahead. some sort of security apparatus for us, right? Yeah. debate over how the military should proceed. They've abdicated that responsibility to the

1:46:40 they don't like it a bit. Well, do we not make the world a lot more secure if we can't come to terms with China on how we can deal with what I will argue the biggest threat in the world right now? But they're already so poor and so screwed over. The United States does this all the time. Does that say maybe we're spending more than our fair share? I mean, I don't want to put troops in harm's way.

1:50:15 something that we weren't having to deal with before. That's an unintended consequence. they're concerned with the United States continuing to develop power in the Middle East? Iran. But isn't that a big statement that should be qualified? Well, regardless of whether it's some of it unquestionably is going to get money as they see fit. But with regard to the money that's been frozen, if we believe that

1:54:49 Yes, some of it's going to get redirected to – you know, you have to – I think it was – secondhand or firsthand. I wonder what, if anything, can be done to calm some of the areas down in the world We're exporting really clean oil, oil that doesn't need as much refining, and we're importing oil that is dirty, so it's cheaper. off funding to terrorism. I mean, that's the goal. Saudi Arabia. The word terrorism, such a weird

1:58:08 terrorism as opposed to Islamic terrorism. Right. But the terrorists just happen to be Islamic. having an impenetrable national defense. end of the day, the new dictator, the new despot that we put into place to replace the bad despot much as, you know what, give me the intel. Once you get into office and you sit down with military leaders and you sit down with someone who explains to you the actual landscape you're dealing with?

2:02:37 Syria? the will of the people being openly expressed that the idea of entering Syria was outrageous. The administration backed off. somehow we're going to determine the outcomes in other countries? he got into office? powers, you're still the most powerful human being on earth. Don't you think there's a pretty radical office and does what they said they were going to that no one gets in office and does what they

2:07:13 we could stay friends and I could go, hey man, I won't tell anybody. I'm going to run away. I have 1,600 feet of frontage on the Hondo River, and it's loaded with taxpayer trout. the wheel turns too quick the line gets so tangled, I think of that with bullets. that is just all lobbyists, these neighborhoods. You were talking about lobbyists. that? Well, there's an actual proposal out there. It's

2:11:13 400? It would be a 28% consumption tax. So arguably, the can of Coke would not sell for a buck. So government's still going to receive the same amount of money. What if you're Scrooge McDuck and you're just hanging back? The Social Security, unemployment, Medicare, all of that would come out of the proceeds of one federal consumption tax. But when you talk about making things really better, I think this is a proposal that simplifies all of our lives in a huge way.

2:15:29 rather prison guard unions put to make sure that marijuana remains illegal and drug laws But I wonder if you can get that point across in those little sound bites that you do in those debates. Well, but they would have to pay that corporate tax in that foreign country. I mean- Oh, my gosh. I love when they take all your money. Yeah. Of course, obviously.

2:19:04 to political candidates? Actually, that was me, maybe. Let's Google it. Well, maybe so. I think he might have got you well maybe so but i did but 100%. The bigger the logo, the more money was controlled they're the direct i mean that's the the direct comparison because they're the most only guy that is not really accepting money from these giant corporations and he's fairly

2:22:20 I don't think so. I think that it should be front and center and whomever contributed that should be known completely and that their goal was to change America. opposed to having to take 500,000 contributions at $2,000, which at the end of the day has more of a corrupting influence. And over an eight-year period, he was never – not once did he call for anything there was never any request that's fairly rare

2:24:08 one person who gives you a billion dollars, that guy's going to want some, he's going to want based on what it was they were saying? reason why you would rationally give someone a billion dollars is if you thought that it was My primary, this is going to sound really cheap, but my primary the first time was $540,000. What would their main criticism be?

2:27:06 150 grand for good government well he had the ability to write you know he had the ability Like if it is transparent and you have like one of the Koch brothers is giving all the That's all right. Why would they pass something like that? I really like this idea of abolishing the IRS, a consumption tax. I love the little. Yeah, I think so. I like what you're saying. I really like this idea

2:29:23 that I'm cheap. It just means that I spend my And then there is a very real terrorist threat out there. I've been an athlete my entire life, a bit of an axymoron as a 63-year-old, a way of so compounding themselves just because people don't acknowledge those mistakes. So and just to listen to your message. And if I'm in the presidential debates,