Joe Rogan Experience #812 — Russell Brand & Jim Breuer Transcript

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0:00 I know you guys are banging to your coffee. trying to like elevate yourself by freezing yourself and they're cold life but why not what else are we going to do while we're here? If you repeat, if you would, If there's some Icelandic myth and it's telling basically the same story the water similarly also represents unconsciousness and what's interesting about an audio is like not

2:50 that can also be found in fairy tales. it was my mother's face. Lessons passed down to children, lessons passed down to other people as human beings, if we're anatomically as similar as we are, perhaps it's safe to assume that we're that's going to answer your questions. and continuing to educate themselves through life. these rishis, these ancient Indian yogis that went into deep, deep meditative states

5:35 For me, that's the stuff like, it presses something deep in me. Yeah. chain the little chain of programming that's going on your brain you did something completely I've read accounts. I'm in recovery. completely dedicated to the kundalini practice and you have to go to a very specific state that's achievable once you you have some mastery over the the meditation and the the yoga principles

7:57 I became sort of somewhat besotted with him I don't know if you saw it. and a literal, you know, artist, oh man I'll get those paintings was arriving at the party out it was the homeless guy stuff the warhol was into yeah he's a man with an anecdote or two i Psychedelic state? All my mates were just doing it at school and carrying on. Yeah. Archery. I'm addicted very

11:23 Shoots very accurately out to 70, 80, 90 yards. and there's no excess movement whatsoever as you release the arrow. but no movement. They get better from visualizing more than practicing. their body to make that perfect shot over and over and over again but it's so difficult to do that You're deep in it. and things along those lines. Well, here's the tricky thing is,

13:57 Like, you could teach anybody to do this. bullseyes for your kids food that's what i'm saying that's against a bunch of other people He's a good dude. that led him to this point of mastery don't make him feel insecure about the A lot of people that I hang out with, as you obviously know, masculinity that have somehow become That's a shout-out to them. I felt...

16:48 Game of Thrones, Gladiator, everybody speaks with an English accent. Game of Thrones. Yeah. It's like the opposite of going Everything's got to be proper. Yeah, it's getting at a level that, I'm doing kickboxing Like a gym, like 10 year olds doing like to get my white belt just to get on the ladder do you know i mean i've and the pursuit of individual success.

19:14 an adult man. vulnerability well i think in every every time you try something new i enjoy i'm like in the Yeah, it's weird. You go in there and we don't talk. No one talks. You don't talk for 90 minutes and you go through this series of poses that are Because I always assume that if you are really good at... you don't give a shit that you're not good at yoga.

21:56 but wait till we get to down with dog. like, and I'm very aware that they're doing that, So the feeling that you get when you're totally vulnerable in martial arts, dissolving beneficial properties of the poses it will ruin the ambience in the yoga studio if you marijuana it's a beautiful thing i haven't because i only started yoga because i'd stopped

24:18 themselves it's there's a component within me that is looking to find a solution that doesn't we're all looking for this sense of connection this sense of completion i think in fact the thing that led me to be a drug addict or you there's deep shit down there. way, because you have to earn it. You just take three, and then you sit back. a crayon on a patch of dirt.

26:36 well i have had like moments in both sobriety recovery and in active addiction where i've gone going to do anything straight for the money i'm never going to care what other people think about There's positions where you go upside down and stuff know my big sort of axe to grind when i was doing like that internet series the truths for a while when there is sort of like an election

28:55 Thank you very much. Can I ask you, yeah I'm noticing it more say in the bible like it sort of is going look become good and get to the point where even being why is no one rewards or you stop being because comedy I think no this is really no that's my kids You just got to fucking be a wild man. Just like a painting doesn't make you a madman. that has always been accepted

31:58 you know, like people talk about, that when people are very He would say things to them and you'd go, whoa, steady! And I'm like, hold on a minute, I'm fucking joking. with tiny arrows as soon as there is above the parapet, isn't it? then that the palette you know that shit ends up on the. It also might be a case of, you know, everybody's always to seek peace and altruism.

34:32 I gotta look at your face. So there's anger at that. sort of this experience and I'm in a shitty neighborhood and and my kids are sick, and my you know i'm subject to jealousy and envy myself i spot it when it comes up when i sort of feel sort of seeing uh like you know particularly as the way it's presented seeing me on the like on But you cannot resolve those inner issues.

37:17 It's because I know I've tried fame, Yeah, yeah. And I'm assuming that's what you're already doing, isn't it? That's what I'm attempting. So it's real. than these people that are here telling the truth? super good at MMA and have and it's something that's happening in their own consciousness. successful podcast i try to go no no, no, Russell, connect with yourself.

40:37 It's almost like what we're dealing with is some sort of a programming that is constantly Yes, yes. point champagne on both of you on the that is relaxing to all these architectural Wi-Fi wonders, you are what you eat? endless fields of wheat across, like, god i drove what state would that have been here and there eaten once a week i'm a vegetarian myself but you know so we have fields full of wheat abattoirs full of meat and what and we

44:00 You've become a movie star. I mean, it's a it's a large number of famous people wind up fucking it all up, but they can't handle it anymore They go Heath Ledger or a million different ways and I can't imagine there's very many of you, there's the average person terms of their essence not of their scale you see like because if you like how i stop myself

46:08 It's normal. It's just too goddamn strong. Hey, look at you. I can't feed on that and even if I don't have that if I even if I don't literally have the beautiful to you that feels nutritional to you and that for me that is really really hard because adjust to that with Sacha Baron Cohen. Right, okay, right, now this is happening now, I'd have to go, oh, right, okay, Ricky Gervais is here. Right, shit, I've got to adjust to that. Or Sacha Baron Cohen. Right, okay, right.

48:40 is what's going to help you. but you understand what it is now, So you avoid it you know the pull is always going to be there especially when the girls have big tits and little waist Don't wake that guy up. This is the path. Because you have so much more in your life. I bought a giraffe. But in a similar way. Maybe not on his level, but Jim was on and perform and not worry about fame at all i'm just gonna step the fuck away and just

51:56 Domesticated. But that domesticated... The vulgar. Once the responsibilities are done. I'm 20 years from going ape shit so what you're doing is to me that, to me, I cheer you on big time. Well, you had the awareness to say, It's a very unusual experience level people that are making big contributions. Evolution is still happening. you're being lied to about civilisation, it's much older,

55:34 reality we live in a narrow tiny bandwidth of reality so if you just live in a model of reality I just go, fuck you. from, you know Tony V, stand-up comedian? That's a good four and a half. You drive like a pussy. And he was talking about what he did was he just went zen. traffic jam how far can you extrapolate that you know when like someone goes i'm in love with

57:55 Oh, Jesus, you and him together. Right, my girlfriend, she's really pissing me off. talking to him and she's done that will die. How many hours does it take to get to Boston? My mother and father would make me aware that we're going to be dead. I was still struggling with the goldfish concept. Did it? And as simple as that, I'm like, oh, my God. On dirt, not even on a canvas.

1:00:36 I don't want to be overly meticulous in that particular instance. I've spent... polite because these people were like you know fucking seriously And I started to feel this impulse of sort of a bit of patronisingness, getting to them super states of consciousness accessible to individuals and our birthright It's not that bloody be friendly with each other and work out all the weird cultural differences between

1:03:34 Johnny Depp got dragged into the golden triangle of pussy problems. And Doug Stanhope wrote a whole article about how the woman has been blackmailing Johnny you know, he's touring. that he loved, I'm telling you. And they did a lot of cities. Maybe he's like this all the time. That's Johnny Depp over there on the far right with the goofy hat? summer!

1:05:32 he's addicted he's in front of like he probably didn't know. He's probably having a ball, You have to go on stage to dress up like that. you're in a band right yeah look at him, but he always dresses like that Why not, man? Okay. The Johnny Depp stretch is like the Tom Cruise stretch or the Samuel Jackson stretch. There's people that are guarding the doors.

1:08:34 can't just interact with people right I done a film with Tom Cruise it's an there's going to be a monkey in this film. The monkey had a trailer with five other monkeys yeah it could fuck you up thomas tom cruise he's like a traveling king you know like he's got like remembers details about you. When he was married to Katie Holmes, shoveling that shit in.

1:11:08 communism. Because what I said was fully up for. And Tom Cruise and tom cruise goes oh don't know But what was he saying? course mate like because all of these like political ideas and religious ideas it's supposed that, you know, a lot of Americans and English people would have and the many, you know, myriad distinctions between different human beings.

1:13:19 I mean, like, you know, I'm not a scholar in communism, although I am going to do a I've been on the fucking telly. inescapable drive that causes someone to want to be the monkey with the five Yeah, that's that's one of those weird inescapable things about being a person about that these these I like this. And what are you capable of pulling off? not fucking digging enough holes or you

1:15:34 things get edgy yeah and they normally break off and go fucking hell we better have another little These people are good fishermen. And that's why there's so much, what do I want to say, disease. and we're we're all becoming one sort of weird gigantic group that's very very dissimilar from And that's one of the reasons why they stayed intimate, that before we understood genetics,

1:18:15 Like, there's things that get passed on through children, through DNA. Sure, it's possible She'll read hours and hours every night. She's very much like me. and just rides them out. They're very extreme. That's interesting thing about having children the connection with all of them is just so spectacular only time i know she's truly happy and she's 17 now is when she's bouncing singing doing a cartwheel outside. She's got an instrument

1:21:14 people and they laugh their dick off you know it's a very bizarre thing for a kid to go whoa whoa whoa You know? then that that's going to fire up more regularly. I was like, Like, you know, obvious ones, if I'm exposed to certain sexual images, bang, bang, sexual images bang bang bang bang i feel all those feelings before i make any decisions if someone makes me

1:23:22 me to stay there that you know programming is necessary and like if you're not living on a program that you've taken control of individually Who do you go to now? You know, whatever defenses that you've put up, whatever patterns that you've instinctively followed because of jealousy or fear or inadequacy or any weird It's not something that can really be questioned.

1:25:15 the shop is open right and i was like oh thank you mate and i felt all special for a moment I feel inside myself just let him in like I'm sort of like oh no, this guy don't let me in. I could have driven that guy to suicide. Perhaps if you had let me in. say, you're not allowed in here. work it's a lot of admin Yeah. Right. Jesus Christ. He's been at the union.

1:27:42 No one made even the remotest effort to convert me we finally did. or whatever it's called. They didn't. I think they tread very carefully on those waters. I think they've been burned too many times. I mean, I don't know, actually. wrote more fiction than any person that's ever lived. No fucking chance. I'm not a big fan of dudes with captain's outfits on either.

1:30:20 But the point is, after he got out, he decided, I'm still rocking this captain's outfit. And I think when they find according to the Going Clear book, And in using these methods to cure his own religion, Yeah, great idea. materialism and individualism yeah are hard things to overcome if like if if people if we are if we I think all dovetail on that premise.

1:33:23 You know, sort of an inability to accept, you know just like, well, we've not really thought about that, sort of an inability to accept certain... that's having a negative impact, your country and in my country now times of great great disease and uncertainty for people really looming crisis but to unpack this whole thing you started off with this idea of what happened the

1:35:24 ideas are there already. to find definitive evidence that they The nature of consciousness. It's kind of misrepresented, though, when it's been explained to me But what I think is interesting, Joe, is somewhere between this woo-woo craziness and the kind of a flat mundane, look, this is life. there's this inexplicable experience that you've had on DMT,

1:37:46 you know, personal experiments even by the process of measuring, It means that reality is only reality when you look at it. you sort of think think something totally mundane he went like you know the experience of going in your kitchen in the night and turning the light on from my own simple understanding is this, because we simply don't have the instruments to receive it and i said once in my stand-up as a

1:40:06 is there is this fucking sense of oneness but let's not have the material idea as the dominant social idea because everyone's agreed i'd feel like that you know like that and that's what frightens me about the culture of our countries at the moment and this idea that we should be accumulating possessions It seems like this is one of the things that drives that

1:42:08 and all those things sort of compound and that this innovation and the construction of artificial intelligence that's inevitable They ensure movement. and you're stepping outside of this thing, But where I disagree with you, Joe, It could be both. certainly are if the if the very sun that heats us up has a lifespan yeah where are their inventions what was my point there?

1:44:54 be explored we can explore space in and out together in peace not that that idea that if we So really, I'm not saying we should as a species fucking slow down and dress in felt and fucking grow around vegetables. I think we all agree And it takes people like you and I to go there and go, there's nothing. It just, it's massive overload. We're not designed to be connected with 7 billion people all over the world. We're not designed for this amount of information coming in. That's for sure. No, we're not designed to be connected with seven billion people all over the world

1:47:45 End this now. Oh, premiere. and how far away. i went wow this is how many my kids part of that banana land it It's almost like they're laughing at us. Now watch what I can make them do now. Do you know how many women want to get fat shot into their ass But we're this weird animal that sort of imitates what our surroundings are all seems to center around innovation when we're pursuing material possessions when we're pursuing

1:50:50 something fascinating about that and interesting about that but in terms of like progression and What's creating better and better things? That we're being pulled towards some future realm what you know plato referred to as the realm of ideas that there's an idealized form of all things that's creepy isn't it? these moments when they're and you're like, I should have kicked that fucking guy's ass.

1:54:11 You have to look at a fucking video that you saved on your iPhone and watch it. One of the major properties of that dream is how profound the visions are. There's an eraser. That I said As if it was yesterday And I can count that with each one of my kids when it comes to how many people you can know And you must experience that, because you're constantly meeting people,

1:56:21 It's a literal hard drive issue. chimpanzees and anthropology that Cool. And that keeps me going in certain moments of time, even though I'm 15 years later and 20. you know what where you say determination over that more more authority over that, some external thing he's a really lovely guy as a matter of fact he was and i but like i i became you know like there's no of course we are also living in a material world and i'm a material

2:00:06 but life's kept fucking knocking you back and the systems kept breaking you down You got to turn it all off. And sometimes you have to see It's almost like people who do horrible things, like sometimes I feel like horrible things you could go back and find an ancient human and they look like you could put it in your clothes and sometimes it reacts in a very negative way like it gravitates towards the kardashians and

2:03:18 And I'm going to try domesticity. It does. I need a nap. But there's a part of that I'm going to find some chick who lives by the beach. You're a maniac. I was trying to be a man. And I can hold this shit in for another day. When I did your show and we did it at that joke place, the joke place on Ventura Boulevard, bunch of them uh opie and anthony were a big one but your fucking show was a big one man when i did

2:05:25 And I just kept looking at everyone going, don't just let him go. High as fuck. And I was like, really? it's a it's a unique time you know that we can we can have something like this and when i was on And through that path, you reach everybody and it's free. And 20 years down the road, they're going, you need to listen to this conversation. You can get 800 plus episodes of this thing anytime you want it

2:08:24 Hey Jim we listen to that show, and you guys They were getting, first of all, they were getting a lot of commercial money. And they rubbed the wrong side of the madness. X amount of money every year And they were like, what the fuck? This is also coincidentally during the time where I mean Howard Stern But either way, they weren't free, even under the banner of this free thing on satellite

2:10:30 Because you had some wild fucking shows. and the, But did you get to veto anybody? So they bring suggestions to you? your show when it was on Raw Dog. And then I had another best friend on there who works for FedEx. And the big rule was no news, no pop culture. It was a hang. talking at the end of the day it's all the same shit what's out there who really knows what's

2:13:28 And just that, that was pretty cool. just here to learn from it more. That's important. People have to be open with that. And I think It's got to be a conscious thing. Not being married to them and not being invested in being correct or incorrect, but just sort of accepting them as just ideas and be able to go, yeah, I think you're right. but it just blew my mind

2:15:18 and that you're doing it for a different reason that's amazing yeah I'd never heard that before I'd You know, like this kind of thing is not really like you know kind of thought, I bet I'd think they were alright And like it to not be kind of like once you get attacked, like I think that's what's kind of ugly about both liberalism and neoliberalism.

2:17:29 I mean, I'm really hoping that that's the trend of the future, that people understand that there might not be a right way or a wrong way to do a lot of these things. You know, there's other things that are not obvious, like maybe you shouldn't hurt people's where everyone's a perfect snowflake and we can't shit on them? I think that I heard John Cleese talking about comedy,

2:19:01 And the reason they want to be all solemn about stuff offensive to a lot of people and what you're doing is bullshit and it's not helping it's very compassion. Like, I've seen to be for younger people and it was like this is my perspective on why i don't believe in this stuff right-wing organization. distributing this information with? that sees this fucking guy with a beautiful bone structure

2:21:53 Fuck this guy. and he can affect you in some sort of a horrible way. Fuck him! See, I go conspiracy. Pizza front. All right. Here's what our magazines about conspiracy He knows. I've seen people distort people's ideas in really Direct access because of media like I've done them in Australia. I've done them all over the world. It's on your phone You can have a guest on if you want

2:25:04 He rants For like He'll just sit down for a fucking hour and a half and just go off about this and that and it's a master course in human interaction for me. That's what I've thought of it. I mean, I've had 800 plus trying to my thought was i've done a bunch of radio shows everywhere i go everywhere i go i Yeah, it was the greatest. And you were able to do your own thing.

2:27:25 where you go in there and everybody's just hanging out. Right. We want to know. We've got to do it. It opens up the opportunity for all of that. Like someone that was sort of pioneering what this medium is becoming. And he was the first real reality show. And he did all this on regular radio. I'm just going to be me and have a good time and talk shit.

2:29:56 It wasn't a matter of not I think that blew For me, everything. He was on Howard Stern. Russell Brewer. There he is. Bam. Once they're in, learn better about how to handle those moments it's it's a it's almost like you're learning on they're going to just listen to your talking? Why the fuck would We all do it We're just exchanging rants. but you're creating something,

2:33:34 I Russell Brand said something that's going to change the way I look at the Because I've come from more conventional media. It's just not smart. is that only positive? because I'm worried about job opportunities, some crazy woman who likes to take some guy and change And at the end of the day, You almost start controlling your own destiny. stuff that has nothing to do with work. I like doing yoga, and I

2:36:20 amount of time I would have to work, I would consider it. Oh boy, I'm in. What do you think? What do I actually enjoy doing? do things that I enjoy doing. That's really important, isn't it? You get Again, like Bill Hicks says, that you've applied to your own creative lives up something we talked about before you enjoy making homemade knives and you think you're like

2:39:28 Everybody has resistance. I don't know. But I've always been like that. I actually wanted to do, I didn't have Like I said that thing to Tom Cruise that time of being born with that drive, Right. But see, my thing is that I would like more people in the world to have, then you, like you were saying, then you are in prison. is that if we didn't have a culture

2:42:02 People should live in small tribes. What's the next level of this? of course there's going to be problems and challenges. we're setting up a utopia. Only when you become a threat. and the fucking everyone's wives doing? It's also dangerous. and I'm going to expose him and I'm going to let the world... You see his wife? I'm in pain. the man by not by being scared and shackling themselves and expressing

2:45:26 You know the people come to hear him speak and he would have these meetings and he would a lot of times he would open way i found out about mckenna was through a hicks bit because hicks bit had this bit about what he and I don't know if he was supposed to be there You know, like this music that they're promoting, but with much more of an emphasis on the realization

2:47:58 bombed like a guy who almost knew the future knew he was going to have some sort of an impact on the Killing with all this simple, stupid shit. So he was playing to the back of the room. And he got off stage like nothing happened. Noam Chomsky was another one like one of the things that Hicks was famous for with all of his material about the Iraq War

2:50:22 and funny. spontaneity and lots of like it was like they were like beautiful very articulate weird shows with that free way i felt that he's a lot of his comedy uh high points across his content came from his like anyone in advertising marketing, resonated. Whenever something resonates Yeah. because he was one of the outlaws and kinnison had a lot of bits that were

2:53:35 but are very important. and you almost kind of mimic them in your delivery. but most likely it's probably a little bit of both, Stand-up is one of the, it's like an original American art form, isn't it? because it grants you that long form. he liked hitting up rooms of 2,500 people or 5,000, you know, arena gigs. keeping the ball above a certain level.

2:56:13 When you're doing five-minute sets or tens or twos, So you kind of get his vibe? Yeah. He made them nuts. Yeah. He made them nuts. He made them out and he just, in a his wife is pissed. And I sat there and went, And he knew everything about it. I'm in the spiritual world, and I got to get back, because she don't know where I've been. drink of this blood.

2:59:23 I mean, no one had yelled out punchlines And it made a lot of sense whenever She comes up, I want to strike your day. You know, I'm married. Yeah, he was a real wild man. How come when you get a cup of coffee, they're... I'm sick and tired of seeing these commercials. They live in a fucking desert. You live in a desert. We just don't live in them, asshole.

3:02:04 Nonsense. comedy should be comedy and that is one of the it's funny This is stupid. Fucking mosquitoes. It was revolutionary. and it takes him. commercial well look there's this alternative way of responding to it and to present it comedically He got hit by a truck when he was a little kid and it changed his personality radically he had a serious head injury Wow got knocked

3:04:36 Yeah. Like, what the fuck's he doing with that head trauma during the sermon? It's not a negative thing. neurochemicals the brains actual like the flow of Is that true? You may come back extremely aggressive. condition when patience develops appears to be I don't know. I don't think I'm going to adjust to... This is six hours. Thanks, Joe. I hope you enjoyed it.