Joe Rogan Experience #815 — Cameron Hanes Transcript

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0:00 We're back, world. Right. When I'm showing you tech tips, you know you're tech retarded. It was last Saturday and Sunday, so Father's Day. you know i was thinking about all the ways i could quit, how I could come up with an excuse to how I could get out of this race. But you just power through. Well, I teamed up with a pretty good runner, Joe Yuhan, to start the race.

2:36 And I remember I was running with him. And what is it like when it's over? Wow. So it's just so brutal that you never feel like you could have done more. I was, you know, did 50 miles in eight hours. You're in first place. And then is it just simply a matter of you just muscle fatigue and pain and does it take you to recover? Like you were telling me that your legs are swollen twice the size of

7:18 know what it feels like to run after I run a hundred miles, one, I run 100 miles, and two, I run the day after. Running would be like, i probably looked like a but it's just the name of the game, just what I do. This is just for me. marathons and running the mountain back home. Like I said, I don't know, years ago, 15 years That's why, you know, if I would have listened to people tell me what I shouldn't do or couldn't do or nobody could do, I wouldn't have done hardly anything in my life.

10:31 There's always these people that want to tell you to not do that. to figure out a way to criticize you instead of saying wow that guy's fucking crazy or wow that's challenge that I take on. I, if I, but part of me feels like if I didn't do it, I would be a But it's somewhere along the line, it becomes more, you're pushing yourself. So, yeah, it's not really, it's not like the Olympic 100-meter dash where you're lined up against, you know, eight other guys

14:00 but all i know is what what limits me is uh just that pain so unless something can like make been saying it for years that uh people always associate marijuana with uh you being lazy but If I talk about what it would be like, I'm just talking out of my ass. Yeah. I get surprise drug tests at work. Yeah. What the fuck is he up to? because if you have this stuff in your system,

16:55 So they're making sure you're not doing anything Right. How can they test for alcohol? Yeah, that's possible. Right. been people that I know that have had pill problems, like speed and things along those That makes sense. And it's only applies to losers. So if you say, I mean? Some people, like if you play poker with some people, I caught Vegas. and here you are now you feel like shit. This is stupid.

21:03 You can't do that to people. I't i think that there's a there's a if you smoke a little weed and you get popped at work Take a couple months off What kind of this remember what roast it is? There was that saber tooth. It's good stuff. I'm just trying to stay calm, stay like an efficient machine out there. mendez is one of the latest ones take these supplements that you buy from stores, and these supplements turned out to have either steroids or hormone precursors or different peptides that make your body develop more testosterone or more growth hormone or different things that are banned by the USADA.

24:33 He was only suspended for a very short amount of time. take it off the shelf, test it, I put on 10 pounds in Then you take this before you go to bed. Yeah. they pulled that. It was too strong. I'm like, oh, so that's it. I mean, it definitely worked. Dude, I took this stuff called Mag 10. All this goddamn extra testosterone a system. I guess we don't have to make testosterone anymore

27:16 I think they say it takes like at least three it's testosterone and all of a sudden you're like, what is this? That helps. who have similar results where your test just gets jacked. So what turns out that fats are But it turns out that's not necessarily true. And at the bottom of the And also there's the insulin. and ever since I've been on this, you know, high fat, low sugar kick,

30:30 Oh, I know. Once you're at that stage, it's so hard. It's almost like the idea of running an ultra marathon. You think about winning that day. I go, yeah, that's all I do. you don't do 25, you do five sets of five. Exactly. So you just break that down. Everybody I do 200 Hindu squats, and the way I do it is I do them by tens. So I count, and then at the end, I check the clicker to make sure I'm right.

33:06 or 190 to go. Here's another 10 squat event. and throwing it in a backpack. You know, a lot of guys are not with your rock the way you do it. manual labor yeah that's all there is to it i, when you start hunting elk in the backcountry or even deer in the backcountry or whatever you're – bear, you got to get that thing back to the truck. Yeah, yeah mad most three-quarters of a mile at most three have been three quarters of a mile. At most, three quarters of a mile.

35:03 And at the end, he was just broken for like months But, you know, through snow, we walked. The alders are catching your backpack. So if you're not fighting brush, if you're in the creek, you know, usually the creek is pretty open. Yeah. each other hard like knowing ranella and then hearing a story about his brother i'm sure they're for the exact same thing.

38:07 Poor slave llama. You know, that adds up. And it was great. You don't even have to worry about water. The horse broke its leg? Off the horse? Yeah? No, I would, personally, I wouldn't eat horse. I'd say, you know, It's crazy hot. people are gonna be like fucking psycho no the thing off it the thing horse i shot people are when you think about what hunting is over here and what hunting is over there,

42:03 I mean, like kangaroos and wallabies and some weird shit They decimate ground nesting birds. I love cats. Billions. So in Australian hunting magazines, these guys are holding up cats. Like he said he gave me one of his magazines one of these Australian yeah, yeah, this is cat killers I haven't. Who's Cecil? been to Africa and I don't have a desire to go to Africa, but if I did and I shot a

45:12 Yeah. It's a good way to look at it. And does it taste any different than like an Alberta black bear? Right. Madison, I guess. Yeah. About 90 minutes outside of Madison, somewhere around there, Yeah. Not fenced in. They're tuned in. And so then that's when that's a chink in their armor. Yeah, when you point at somebody, you know there's four fingers pointing back at you.

48:19 Well, judge away. That makes you feel better. Right. It's a white-tailed deer. So when you're hunting an animal that is a mountain monarch, so to speak, a big bull elk, sheep, a very noble animal that lives exclusively in the mountains, and a mountain mule deer, and bow hunters know, especially, you know, I don't want to say, I was going to say Western bow hunters know, but any bow hunter knows that tries to go after mule deer in the mountains, that's about as tough of a bow hunters you're going to get i mean because elk for me i've killed most of my bulls spotting stock um not calling them in and to stock an elk

50:37 If a mule deer is laying up in its bed on top of a rim rock, all it is is laying there. mostly kind of run but mule deer are literally bouncing up in the air like some sort of a cartoon rabbit What a weird animal. And he's bouncing. So if the wind is really blowing and the grass where they're bedded is blowing around I feel pretty good I can get in.

53:20 For a lot of people, like wild desert bighorn sheep, stone sheep. It's the challenge. that this is one of the reasons why those animals are so, And with a lot of the people, these are people that eat meat, which is really weird. The amount of respect that whole process builds in a hunter, and like, oh, life is beautiful. later today of that polar bear carrying around that cub's head.

57:21 never understood until i started doing it once i I started, like, I always thought, well, this is probably the better way to get meat. the challenge, your own human spirit and what it takes. Because when you're actually in this animal's environment, you're in this really quiet forest. In some very strange way where it is, not only is it trying to survive, it's trying

59:20 be the haynes boys and the haynes boys never quit you know they're not thinking like that they're not thinking there's no nobleness it all it is is survival and and breeding it's That's a hard pill to swallow for people who love animals. But that was because the assholes who were around in the 1800s who came along first or the 16, 17 and 1800s, they just shot the shit out of them.

1:01:28 They did the same thing with elk. You know, Rocky Mountain Elk has helped. is something that comes along by product it's a byproduct of it but the really it's about hunting It's very noble. Tough to do. They looked at hunters like Elmer Fudd. And your perception was based on your environment where you're in, you know, this area that's pretty, pretty rural.

1:04:59 Or it's if it's just they feel like they have the right to go after you and they love to be shitty and insulting and hostile. And the way to ensure that that behavior is not A cause that, you know, is you have to actually think to justify I understand where they're coming from and I understand their perspective as someone who actually does love animals. I understand that this contradiction is very difficult to deal with. And that's one of the things that I think is important about this new age of interaction is that some people are kind of getting the message like, okay, I thought that this thing was about these people that hated animals that went out and shot them and killed them.

1:07:21 Well, that's not true. Animals are dying. It's going to have plastic that most likely will wash up into the ocean. Yeah. But I'm helpful. That's what they're supposed to do. but they don't want to understand. It doesn't feel like, but on the other side, I get messages from a lot of people there'd be way more negative. Yeah. I mean, you could definitely find it. Yeah. You know,

1:11:17 But sometimes that needs to be balanced out. 95%. But when people go back, and that used to be vegan, B12, a bunch of different fatty acids that although they are active in some plants and You can. he recently converted to being a vegan as well You got to eat a lot of like healthy fatty things like almond butter is really important definitely an argument for that if you accept a hierarchy of life and this is where it gets tricky

1:15:39 don't i'm not hiding that fact i don't feel bad about that. I'm a big fan of people. But also Kat Von D needs to consider, and I love that all those tattoos that she has are all Yeah. No. The likely case is that if you're buying pasta, or if you're buying rice, or if you're buying I don't know if it is, but I know that millions of rodents are killed in this country every

1:17:52 died. have ants i go you're not supposed to you're a, she's a vegan, and you don't believe in killing life unless it is Yeah. Why is that? Well, a mouse, it people would say yes. Okay. Why is that? So we're going to eat them. that's why we can't kill an animal with our hands and our teeth and we we have to cook it in order process going on man there's a whole evolutionary process involving tools and fire and that's why

1:20:56 And animals come in and just are jacking things left and right. Yeah. Yeah, that's the real deal there. He didn't die, huh? And they don't care what it is, they're killing it. i think four different shots but you know when i was in in camp there there was uh one of the of places, right? I don't know. And that's one of the beautiful things about cities.

1:23:38 I like it. friend roy so it's uh yeah i mean that's where i mean that's where i feel most alive obviously that it becomes the, the, the, the, the act of consuming becomes very different when you It's a, It was there when it got shot, helped cut it up and carry it out. I know it. It's brutal out there. get more and more accustomed with the idea of us creating our own food from some other way like by detaching

1:27:34 I'm staying old school. Because there's clearly something going on with human beings as an organism. A TV show or a movie but also because it doesn't rain here. Yeah, it's always perfect. You could sleep outside and you're fine I don't think, you know, L.A. and cities like L.A., We're out there for five or six days, I think. It felt so good. It makes you appreciate this weird thing that we've gotten.

1:30:33 The byproduct, yeah, we've talked about the positive byproduct is you're a conservationist. When you guys were in Australia, you decided, you and crazy fucking Adam Greentree, decided let's bring no food and go out into the bush where it's 120 degrees. Yeah. No, it was great. Yeah, because you run so much. Plenty of food. fight the lions yep enormous giant beasts that are there's no videos on my heards huge huge

1:33:47 They can be dangerous just because they're so big. Yeah. And this is a video. And you've got to walk super slow. good broadside shot and so here i am ranging him as i walk and now he's getting ready to go broadside So he's just kind of chilling out, chewing his cud. How hard is it to stay still here? So their heart sits, I mean, you see that blood coming out it's pouring out the heart

1:37:31 So that could essentially be like for an arrow to go all the way through a bunch of grass, wet grass. jabbed with horns or tree branches or all sorts of stuff. All he knows is he's lost a lot of blood sterilized buffalo piss we drank it and we didn't die i saw something online the other day. They were trying to figure out how much of the ocean is whale piss.

1:38:58 Those dirty, stinky whales. intestinal blockage so it died by being backed up yeah that's a rough way to go that is too bad I have a fit band. Oh, that's an all-time record? There you go. And they said, hey, these regular bows that we're using are kind of bullshit. And how there is something positive to a city fuck yeah is that what you're saying oh 100% 100%

1:41:33 and I wouldn't be able we all need each other You got your gear and you got your sat phone so you can call home. Otherwise you'd go out there naked. Right, right. Because you're not going to kill any of them. Right. Dang it. There's going to be people that don't agree with things no matter what, They're debates about ideology. Yeah, it's true That's kind of interesting.

1:45:52 because they have the fewest percentage of hunters over there yeah i mean i always get stuff from What people don't understand is that was originally about food. of public land this concept of public land, They're like, yo, we got to do something about this place. We have all these designated areas, designated areas that are all public land owned by the taxpayers of the United States.

1:48:21 All the people that live here. It's almost like you have a TV that only shows three different colors. You've never seen it before. Marble Mountain Wilderness up in Northern California. What's it like up there? Huge area. cheap you know um but great hunting so you can go up there and hunt deer and hunt bear same same Is that what that rock is? fuck this is crazy this place is crazy this this view is like um it's like a drug yeah like you're

1:51:57 you feel small. You feel the country's big. You feel insignificant really compared to how grand the country is. And for You know, the lions are still going to try to kill deer. Well, there's an inescapable understanding when you're faced with the enormity of nature. We're all just hanging out watching or participating broadens your perspective. And again, even if you're just hiking out there, like I said, the hunt that made me

1:54:43 kill it because we're unsuccessful, but that this is a, this is a really cool thing that we figured out how to do to escape Yeah. what do we come up with keep hammering is a good one. Yeah. I like that. And on that third mile, you're like, fuck, I don't want to do this. It's begging for a break. Might be better for a shirt. It's like if I called this podcast call this podcast let's get lucrative filthy skills can go lots of ways

1:57:11 Who would you be? I kind of like Garth better. You need someone to argue with. Yeah. Just go through your Instagram comments and pluck them out. A lot of them are like vegan bodybuilders, which is really interesting. I see the size of your muscles. Interesting, right? And he's like, this is what they're doing. You look sleek and you probably get some pussy that way.

2:00:38 I guarantee you if you got those guys alone with no one watching hunters. Exactly. That's well, you're, you're better than people who don't do what you do, And he goes ballistic. why aren't you vegan? Like, boy fucking nailed it you made it so simple yeah well or pig factories or factory farming. I think that by going against hunters, though, they're missing the mark in a big, big, big way.

2:03:38 But it's expensive, and you're not going to get it at McDonald's. In that sense, when they're talking about of on life these people that consume all sorts of vegetables that are used that it's fucking ridiculous yeah that's the same thing that's it's like the same Do you know what Michael Pollan... They're hearing it. Fucking nuts. Either you're going to eat them or don't eat them.

2:07:15 Researchers from the University of Missouri found plants respond to attack. but perhaps we should be a bit more considerate when chomping on lettuce. with a z like the young kids are doing these crazy kids yeah at uh cameronhaines.com right but I'll tweet it, he'll tweet it, he'll put it on Facebook and everything like that,