Joe Rogan Experience #822 — Chael Sonnen Transcript

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0:00 Chael Sonnen, non-coffee enthusiast. Coffee non-enthusiast? It's just a plant-based sweetener. No, it's just a plan. a cup across the table and go, try this, guys. I'm going to put it in a fancy cup. Yeah. just turn it on. Is there anything to talk about? And I'm on the other side of the fence from a lot of the reports. All these reports were coming out like this was going to be earth-shattering news.

2:56 Dana, it's just the truth. He just loves to talk fights. it right right whatever i agree to does not i'm out of it it's if you give him your word, that's it, right? And so it's like, okay, I get it, man. That's got to be 10. that ever came out of Brazil. but it's going to be just that, pockets. You're scared. down. She had her feet across me. And I woke her up and I said, he got his gun. And there was an

6:25 just getting ready to rob us, you know, but yeah, yeah, I did. The Ultimate Fighter just is in general. Halloween as one. I realize that isn't a I don't know why they are, Joe. Well, the problem is people talk too much. That's a funny word. And one of the reasons why they like him is because he got fucked over by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

8:37 are taking care of the future of these athletes and supposedly protecting them from other athletes Vandele got pissed and he yelled and he went to, he did all of these things, but he never one ever tested. We'd never heard of this. A guy shows up. Vandal was to be the second one tested, He then wants to take me into a back room, which ended up being a janitor's closet,

10:17 Look, I understand now, and I think a lot more of us do, too, that you have to get naked Why didn't you call me? So now I presented myself naked to him and now he's got a needle in my vein and I'm signing So I'm with an interesting character to start with. on the phone, show me what this thing says. I'm leaving. and that's his side. Vandalee had the right to say, no, call my attorney.

13:01 No, the way you describe it, I didn't know it was that way. And won't let you, won't document who he is, won't let you just take a simple picture of They mean this random thing that just shows up, which I don't know what kind of constitutionality We both ended up with suspensions. We haven't heard any women say that yet. how many years ago was this, when this took place?

15:13 You know had incredible fights legendary fights and he's beloved ground was to demand i apologize and if i don't then he quits like, Vandele, why did you put yourself in that position? I'm not going to come out and apologize. Could you please apologize? I am. You go do you. Let me do me. The script's already out there. Okay. That's why we have this

17:43 goes I understand that but I don't like how you did that. I had to eat it all. His mind is, We're on TV. We're going to promote this. No, no, no, no Brazil insult doing. I don't want to be liked. And I was pleading with him when he was trying to get in a street fight. end of the pool by himself but that's that's still my end of the pool well you approach this in a

20:55 anderson silva you absolutely suck like the whole place starts cheering it's like yeah he's he's Well, people are paying attention the most. I don't care. If you don't care, I don't care. And I go, I don't care. Fair enough. going to take a break. Yeah, and I've seen some guys do it, and I appreciate it. That's very hard. It was perfect. Daniel, never will somebody meet that guy face-to-face.

24:35 And now they find out he's really, find out who he is. and the crowd goes crazy. They then He brings that momentum into this fight. He's in tears. and then Daniel tries to address the audience sales that you got. You tell them to shove their opinion two guys that are going to go out there and bang. Well, that's not true. game plan that Cormier did is

26:34 for Anderson. The only way to be liked is him to beat the shit out of Jon Jones. He's amazing. I mean, here's a guy who, if you have daughters, I have daughters. There's something about a guy who's just a bad motherfucker that people love. John Jones is not as frustrated about that loss as you are. It's not that hard to break a fucking brick, man. which absolutely

29:19 Fans are frontrunners. Daniel beat him and he broke him. And then he imposed his superior wrestling and wound up winning. And then we assumed that he also missed 185 against Vitor. Missed that opportunity. He is a frontrunner the second, third round, and he said that. He goes, well, if he gets in the later There's a fucking give and a take to everything.

32:03 Did you follow that press conference at all? that's guilty, but his actions were not that of a guilty John faced the music 12 hours later. just not what a guilty guy does. Now, I understand that he's guilty in terms of USADA, but what we That's the whole reason you show up at these things. Those don't really have anything to do with anything. I'm revealing it.

34:29 going to be suspended but fox everything i was fine everybody looked at okay well you know we tomorrow tonight I will stay capital letters tonight I need to hear from you tonight. requested test that costs $99. For him, is there another test out there? I don't know, but that's the piece that's still missing. But then when you run it through a lab, it turns out there's a bunch of other stuff in there too.

36:52 But estrogen blockers are usually when people are getting off of steroids. Explain how they work for someone who doesn't understand. Gastro... I can't even... Bitch tits is all that comes to mind. I can't think of the word because you took exogenous also help get your body going back on testosterone so they're banned john's got a problem again this

38:36 He needed to get out of it. That's the risk with holding a press conference. He looks fucking huge. He's still got the wild man's mind, I mean, is it a positive thing to rein him in? wild in there and impulsive. But usually that continues to escalate. They want fucking jets and spaceships. Sure. Don't get behind the wheel. And then obviously the one where he crashed into that woman and left the scene of the crime, which was horrendous.

42:46 And to get positive on something as small and innocuous as estrogen blockers. He didn't back off. He's very explosive. and I think his stock went up that night. when you're talking about the car I don't know why God put me in this spot. I don't know why God put me in this spot. On the cocaine thing, you didn't say somebody slipped me a Mickey. in this spot and at some point, if you're the baddest

44:47 Jail-sunning public relations. This is not the script. Say hello to the bad guy. But if they boost testosterone, right? I can't imagine why a supplement company would do that. would allow you to test positive for these very things. And then what exactly they got him for? don't need right i don't know why he held that with understanding usada's going to tell us if

47:17 this doesn't fall under that. The commission's but some guys take it. If that's the route he's going to go that path, the outright denial path, that's not a great one, historically. But some guys take it. What is this stuff? Oh, my God. Box it up. Anadrol 50 And he's in the back, like, looking at this black guy. What is that guy doing in the back? He's like minimal chest development he looks kind of scrawny i would

50:13 Probably never been in the military. This is a weird fucking photo shoot. Or this is just what we brought up? It's a test. These are tricky little things. They actually extract testosterone. Why do you have ginseng? I mean, how do you say it? and this is not the fault of the company, happens all the time because the way a supplement company maybe that knocks one off the list yeah yeah i hear you there is some confusion there yeah yeah i mean that story's bs but i hear what you're hear you. There is some confusion there. Yeah.

53:54 They ruled that. a weird one too. Even their own science. They're even confused on their science there. You give me the answer. He fought in some different country. me. They asked me, have you done anything different? was just, you know know he got teased You know, after losing to Mark Hunt like that, this doesn't make sense. you. But here's the kicker. No more testosterone. All this stuff that's been making you feel

57:14 And you're going, well, time out a second. What does the sleep aid provide as far as performance benefits? 2004 and kicked her out of the Olympics forever because Why would you take anything that could hurt you? standing on the moral high ground that you didn't take Well, you're taking it for something else in life. things that have nothing to do with

59:50 I don't know why he denied that it would help his performance. Of course you took it to make That is true. I'm not sure that that relates. wasn't like he was fighting coked up, right? And then there's some no-nos forever. You're operating on the taxpayer's dollar. You've've got offices you're making the rules you take some He was great. No, this is a fucking world championship caliber pro athlete whose body's been just compromised,

1:02:39 He didn't have that benefit. And the beating, there's a big factor of having incredibly low testosterone. How do you have four times as much testosterone as me? Was he at his peak? Yeah, I remember that very well. Thank you very much. That was the better part of his career. Well, when he fought Henderson, the third Henderson fight in Brazil, you have to be off of it. I think it's ridiculous.

1:05:46 you know, allow your body to come back into a normal testosterone range, and then re-enter Right. But I want to be in compliance compliance but i can't right now i keep hearing things speculative on how long he's going to be it's real clear it's going to be out Anderson got, they could have done whatever they want to him. and he says hey i fucked up i wanted an edge i took it what's a reasonable amount of suspension

1:08:35 in front of the commission one day. I got not, you don't have a day in court. Court implies a judge, which implies a disinterested third party. Is Vanderlei the first guy to sue the Athletic Commission and win? And I gave out the fucking Nevada State Athletic Commission's phone number. But that was a little bit different. over him. At the same time, they can do anything they want. So they could ban him for life. You

1:10:37 of which he was not. he sent him back to Nevada. Not that I know of. I heard He could have. He just does not look the same at all.'s a son of a gun too man when you get tired it doesn't it doesn't But under a bad referee, it could have been. And then he even filed a complaint after the fact, a petition. flatlined him he wasn't winning right he would have had to have knocked him out and i'm sure whatever referee at the time would be very hesitant to stop that fight with even with

1:13:24 fight in the UFC and I think he would have been heavy seen the Fedor that fought Krokop fight in the UFC. And I think No doubt about it. What does that mean, jerking the curtain? at the start of the show. But that's just because it's UFC 200. And Travis caught him clean with his straight right hand that first round. Stipe's a good-looking heavyweight.

1:14:59 What Kane brings to the table is some freak cardio and perfect technique And then he gets taken down and beaten up. Everything is perfect. So you say you don't know who the greatest ever was. But, you know, I mean, because you've got to think the prime Verdum who beat Fedor, I think, boy, you know, MMA math sucks. So he gets overlooked, but I don't think that's fair.

1:17:16 Bisping just beat the same guy that put yourself over. When Chris beat Anderson, It was Anderson was pretending to be hurt. Controlled him on the ground, beat him up. And I love this Knicks matchup. or you look at Dan's record, lights out, and it's him hitting Bisping. He's going to say, oh, I want that one back. Monster. Fights at two different weights.

1:19:56 But it shows that Dan can still shut the lights out on a guy in his prime who's a destroyer He's going to mean it. That's the fight that I wanted to see. And if Dan goes out, Dan came to my, his fight was on a Saturday. And he's like, we're trying. I want to fight him, and then I think I'm done. I think you'd do it, don't you? Bisping's a much larger guy than him. Much larger.

1:22:00 I would think the Henderson fight would be It's not like he called him out right after he just got knocked out in the first round by Vitor. Like, that was a great knockout, an all-time great result. Here's how Bisping will handle it. deal with this guy. what I'm in a politic to do. after it was over. I remember So is Yoel. because i because then i want you to ask me this i want you to ask me what my experience with joey

1:24:58 We've been best friends forever. And, you know, I know him from you. So he comes on my podcast. First off, I don't know how that answers my question. He's like, chill, son. You know, the cops don't want drugs on the streets. He goes, yeah, sometimes you just back into a machine gun. I'm like, what in the hell is this story? guys we're talking about and i said okay is that what happened and he goes no i duct taped the guy

1:27:53 You're my idol. Well, as I bring these guys in, I'm trying to do a little bathroom since I'm five years old. my mom used to own a restaurant so you know happens if I drop my Coke on a women's bathroom I got to get back to the hooker with the wig that he mugged. I've known Joey for 20 years, and he's never stopped running out of stories. He's just making things up.

1:29:54 Not a movie. doing the cop's job for him, Yes. for about two years The partner tried to double cross me. The whole thing was great. Shoot the effing gorilla. Adam Hunter. Very small, but it was packed. You know, where'd you guys meet? Did you meet at the UFC? Right. Yes. It works. Because if I had said it, like, I don't know. Unless you're a comedian.

1:33:27 And I believe in the rule, Joe. If it's funny, offensive, and it's degrading, and blah, blah find a joke and they'll say that's not funny to me. It's horribly offensive And it's you know degrading and blah blah blah and they'll come up with a bunch of reasons why it shouldn't be funny And when I'm reading that, I'm going, okay, Joe's dipping in something here.

1:34:35 People are retweeting it a lot. there would be people shooting people en masse all day long every day. There are so many fucking people in this country on disassociating meds, on things that allow you to get away with you you can justify records or people that are mentally disturbed You have to turn right here. You have to fully stop That's normal.

1:37:23 guns and you grow up with guns, you learn the dangers of guns. We don't have any gun problems and everybody's got them. Sure. A simple drug test, this is pretty quick. I've never heard anybody make that argument before, but I love that analogy. Actually, I don't even think that you have to have it in California. Yeah, you can't get a license. Australia is 20 million people.

1:40:12 You can register guns. And the reason why they're trying to stop restrictions is because, you know, when anything It's not simply whether or not the kid had the tool to do the job. I'm just kidding. wrong time. They get emotions involved. JFK off and you're entrenching them in their own views. A good time to get your agenda out there, but you're just pissing people off and you're

1:42:16 Bring it when emotions are a little bit less. In my opinion, in 2016, let things die down a little bit and then bring it up. power plant in your backyard and i'm pretty sure i know what i'm doing but if i don't we're gonna Across the board our legal system our our our system of government representative government I mean, it was great. They had amazing insight.

1:45:08 across the ocean hoping they wouldn't get eaten No. It's black. You know, you bring up a feather, and that's accurate. This wasn't touched by the hand of God. hunter and gatherer like some people say. It was about don't have. That is a wonderful philosophy There have been tidal waves. It's happening in Russia right now. Yeah, 100%. Like, there's clearly lying going on.

1:48:46 but if we did any of those things, we would most likely be convicted, Obama stays out of the whole thing. We put 40 people on the Hillary Clinton case. for the very first time, was 200 members strong. Now they are 4,000 strong, and we still can't no classified or top steal our children and take all our money away That's not good. No. It's like, guys, sometime read the art of war.

1:52:10 He's planning to make people think he will whip them, which is why he's not going to get us into wars. We're the economic power. Bill Clinton paid them $8 billion. On the playground, everybody listening to this had a tough guy in school. is the toughest. And those rules don't change He was most likely on steroids He used to be able to these things it's most likely on steroids pretty sure well i ran into him many many years later

1:54:21 That'll carry your reputation. That'll carry over. What the media likes to do is they like to find something that they feel like is going to be embarrassing. And because of that, he gets way more airtime than anybody else by far. He's like, I'm fine in that department. What the game is right now is a guy gets on a podium, We're still in Iraq. he does it under the guise of being on the left, people don't look at the cold, hard reality of his actions.

1:56:43 Yeah. out to him. He wants everybody to understand that he's going to go in free and clear and owe nobody anything. that I haven't made deals, that I'm going to go in there and actually represent the people. about it. He's very candid. I thought he had like an emergency drive. He did. And he just pulled it That side's over, right? I think she's cognizant enough to know that America does not want to look sexist, but

1:59:06 If Hillary wants to put the nail Warren pretended that she was Native American. Yeah, there's no way around that one. He calls her Pocahontas. That's smart. Yes, he did. And he's not done. try to attack her and what she used to try to attack him and how both they're going to they're both going to get damaged in the process. down to four guys, he admires politicians. I think he admires soldiers. That would be interesting if he did

2:02:23 Bill Clinton treated the White House like it was a frat, i will forever appreciate that i just will i just will i mean See, that's another one, though, Joe, if you don't mind me interrupting. but attack to that leash is a big old bomb, and this is how we're going to do it, conscious. You guys made me feel bad. I wanted I smoke rocks. I mean, he became like, until the HIV thing came.

2:04:16 He did $7.5 million in tickets on a two-week tour because of that one sit-down where he refused to apologize. And they actually worked out a routine. And everybody's like, well. John Jones gets tagged in that coke thing. I was at a party. I mean, I wonder if he knows what it was that he took. On his carbon isotope test. There's some confusion there.

2:06:57 But the point that this test that we're all talking about is June 16th, to be at least another test out there, and They tested her a ton of times. So they're going to be sneaking around trying to catch him. Yeah, this is just the story. some coaches in there. And John, there was like five people there at the time. So he can see them they thought they would do, they take a seat. Well, there's like eight hours left in the business day. They don't ever leave. However

2:09:32 and collect that urine, that's how upset When they found out that they had been doing anything they hate. I was armed with that. If they got a just pollute the water. Could be anybody's urine. Yeah. That's the trick. Eddie Bravo Invitational rules. They'll go for eight minutes. There's no score. You either find When you've got Vinny Magulience, maybe the best grappler there is right now.

2:12:22 He hurt his neck. I ran into Laborio. I said, is this true? He just signed with World Series of Fighting. So, Hany Marks is in. He fought UL Romero, Aaron Simpson. Do you remember those? He just signed with World Series of Fighting. They will not leave until someone taps. grappling is a gateway into MMA. Sean just one day wasn't fighting anymore, but it took like two years until the announcement came.

2:14:17 What does that entail? month. So you get an entire package. They've got a ton of members. These are real successful guys. It's sold out. We wrestled in Arizona. Fought a fan. I think in Russia or Germany that fight was, yeah. You know, he's still an excellent commentator, though. And then Metamorris, now, or at least for the last one, they've got a show coming up, too.

2:16:18 is that what I'm trying to say? Yeah. what happens is you put guys in bad positions. has your back. So by putting guys in those situations, you allow the fighter to try to And if that's the case, That's exactly right. He said, I want these guys to have somewhere to wrestle. He said, everybody that has a grappling event wants to make up their own rules.

2:18:23 He said, for an industry, we need to be all teammates, all no-gi jiu-jitsu. And Eddie's rules really are quite perfect. Yeah, it really is the best, and it stops all EBI. That's how you find it. If you want to know who the best is, you've got to go EBI rules. Everything is a draw. Guys kind of like that clause, and you've got to have a time limit somewhere,

2:20:06 It's exciting. It's dynamic. You watch someone get choked out. It's crazy. I mean, it's really I've had him on. Promoters want guys that are going to sell. Boom. Boom. One set of rules. EBI. What is your event called? Let's end on this video. Appreciate it. Yeah. Sad, sad. When he does that, he leaps in the air. Underground. Again, Flo... open invitation.

2:23:05 They're boring. They're boring. Somebody must win and somebody must lose. Go to your desktop. That's a genius right there.