Joe Rogan Experience #825 — Jeremy Stephens Transcript

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0:00 And totally five four three two one For people who don't know what we're talking about, USADA, the U.S. anti-doping agency, If you ever met him, nice as can be. But I love it. Yeah, yeah. But Nowitzki was explaining all the weird little loopholes that people are finding, the way they're supposed to be able to test that, like you're not supposed to use an IV, right?

3:14 which makes your body produce more blood. and they had bags of blood in the hotel room. You're not in a hospital. You said that was like a long time ago, too. Their jaw. These guys are going undefeated and all these rampages. And cardio, yeah. and just his ability to understand and the way he uses angles and footwork And I always wonder, like, could a guy, like, could a light heavyweight or a middleweight even,

6:07 You don't ever see him lean, and he's just always in constantly good posture Say if he throws a kick, he doesn't land awkward. of his body. He doesn't swing like a mark hunt or me where I'll throw a lot of powers and normally efficiency, that efficiency is very important. And there are fighters that you see like a wasted popping out yeah it always does that we got to tape that down jamie and uh you know that like

8:40 or like there's been a lot of guys in jiu-jitsu that have got into it that come from break dancing, which is kind of interesting. This is real recent. We've been a lot of guys uh in jujitsu that have got into it that come from way to like my feet being on my two toes. if you ever notice people walk like duck footed and stuff like that it's like all problems in their hips that's why

10:01 over typing all the time got tight hip flex flexors. They're leaning. Poor diet. and your abilities you know your your skill set and then just do cardio and explosive exercises Have you ever seen him move? his whole movement so he's using his body as one and he he has a little bit more of an integrated that makes you integrate your body so that your glutes are working with your core.

12:33 We keep saying that power two, like two toes. outside my knees like this say this this is good so now i'm integrating everything up to my groin He knows a little bit about everything. problems i was having all types of They don't do this. and and uh the deficiencies in my body that that I really wasn't aware of back then that I'm working with now. but I, but I ran, you know, it's like, okay, well you can do that by breathing and, and just kind

15:54 And you see when he throws punches and kicks, he obviously has a martial arts background as well. What does that mean? I just you know I show people how to move. I know how to move. What are you talking about? you're talking about. There's a lot of people in this business, MMA business. I'm sure you've Yeah, I don't go around doing touch butt shit in fights.

18:14 i mean it's good to have your body working efficiently using the right things that need to be You probably shouldn't be sparring after you lift that. Well, you're not going to learn. And just being self-sufficient, learning about little stuff like this could help you out. if I'm spreading my legs out, you know, that ain't doing nothing for me. totally different way of moving both guys super successful and

20:44 You don't know, and you won't ever know until those two guys go at it. And here's what's even The home, we were just Yep. yep crazy man that's the that's the fight game it is the fight game it's a crazy game man and it's for the title in London. That's gonna be an awesome guy yep real real quiet chill and just uh amazing guy dude just hard worker i mean it's

22:57 I'm like, no. Uh-huh. Yeah, you've got to pull him off. Lombard's a scary dude. You know, I was down at AT up with a couple blows. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, you got to pull him off. You know, and he just comes in, and he's just a tank, you know, Those guys are freaks, dude. I would seriously just run out the room dude He just tears your shit apart He's enormous right now.

24:41 5'7". Yeah, and you get after it. Yeah, dude. I mean, the last time he fought was like a year ago, and he was fighting at 170. he's outstanding dean's dean's very good dude he he's a big dude but he rolls like a little guy There's so many guys that are winning. Yeah, when you start playing with the legs, you know. Like, what is the difference? It is definitely bullshit when people tap.

27:54 I'm holding on. Where in Pancrase, if someone was holding on to a submission, they had to let go. He takes some shots, you know. You know damn well them guys were juicing over there, so they're just taking people down. I mean, think all the stuff that you can do inside the octagon. But if that wasn't legal, you know, and then you did that, I've never seen anybody's head caved in like that.

30:28 Like, look at his skull. It's crazy. And you're kind of coming into it? It's all bone on that dude's head. real quick and get the fuck out of there that these point karate guys have their range is way background they come from. We've seen guys and my buddy Joe Rogan sidekicks That'd be interesting. He's a young kid too, right? Fuck out of there quick and then they score a point and then everything stops

33:45 athlete who's been doing it his whole life i mean he started martial arts i think something before I'm excited to see that guy in the future. Cyborg took him down though though, in that first round It tacks off of his back, too. Instead, he used a leaping left hook. of people leaping at him and getting I like Jimmy Smith. i don't know if i'm doing myself or anything. All the different things I do a disservice.

36:43 Yeah, Brian's fucking awesome. But for me personally, it's just too much. a little bit and cutting, cutting down eventually, cutting down eventually and just relaxing and enjoying life a little bit, I bet. How could I not be? So I think the compromise is do less events figure it out but I don't I don't want anybody to think that I don't appreciate it

38:46 Yeah, give him a call, Dana. And then he tested positive for the one that was like, I think, three weeks out of the fight. He took estrogen blockers. No, no. How many weeks do they need to test me? And he's talking about this fighters union which makes things very interesting bro well the problem It's a different thing. I know for me personally, for my money,

41:36 Fuck yeah. 11 days. He's just like me. And he can take a shot. He was fucking good. So the UFC didn't have a 155 division for a while. his fight with Daniel Cormier and then John Anik was saying that over the two Those people cycling. Bro, I'm telling you, bro, you cannot test positive, bro. Yeah. Lance Armstrong, one of the richest guys, you know, he's giving speeches and high-fiving

44:59 He admitted guilt. He just wanted to come clean. There's no drug tests that show that Lance Armstrong was doing anything. And then get up and do it again. But look, what it is is a mental toughness thing. know that when you actually complete that type of a long run and you endure that type of thing Hmm, I did it. He does ultra marathons. That's crazy, bro.

47:14 limits you know he's always trying to find his limits and uh he can't find his limits at 100 That kind of shit. young i'm glad i did because i mean so good some people mentally they just don't get it and then I'm like ah yeah, like it's I think it's funny now that i was being such a bitch you know that i was crying a writer like a like Made a video of him he put like a gun

49:53 Yeah, but it doesn't- I don't know. you heard bad yes fuck i don't give a fuck about nothing anymore. Whatever. Fuck it. You just shot yourself idiot I guess, maybe. It doesn't make sense. Where he was like y'all got played or something like that like what? head and didn't realize that the amount of force that comes out, just the air fractured You can't dodge that bullet.

53:29 he fucked those people that he had this deal with and they were like oh really and then they came Whoa. Just all taken off. He's on his motorcycle. And breaks his collarbone The cop rear-ended him. Are you sure this is the same one? Yeah. Boom. Yeah. A little gay karate kick. what's up the authority if you're filming them There is other sides. And then the cop changed the story.

57:21 He bumped him to knock him off the bike, but that kid was fine. They're great people, but they're just like us. But, I mean, that's just human nature. More sense. That video, like when he's cutting off cars and stuff like that, And then they're getting mad at you. There's just so much shit they have to deal with. I was like, man, I want to go and, like, help out the cops in a little bit of, like, combat and go in and help them out.

1:00:12 they may not know and they kill them and maybe it wasn't a gun, It's like, hey, man, it's going to be me going home in the winter and have you guys come into the gym and and uh just keep the community safe well i think and you're someone who has no experience at all in any kind of hand-to-hand combat situation, you're in a bad spot. know then you run into that guy and he like he's like being all cool and then boom all of a sudden

1:02:29 Yep. In Morocco. I was watching Pat today. I was watching pat today i was watching i don't know man you know you never know. Maybe he's just looking for a new challenge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you've probably been away from competition for a while, So it's probably good to kind of release that and go out there. too yeah a lot of those guys they they stopped fighting and then there's also the the the thought

1:05:35 that or trying to mask it disc yeah yeah it's dangerous man i watched that episode ballers and like that movie Concussion, the one guy from the Steelers was going down the opposite way and smashed it into a car was wanting to kill his family The impact is real. injuries didn't he used to jump off the rope and do the head butt? His fucking brain jostling around inside his coconut.

1:07:34 just went from having everything to those injuries and self-medication and fucking all the stunts that they have to do, big deal in the 80s when i was in high school so no one knew shit about concussions back then no See a guy, like, starting to slur his words. They denied it. It's just a natural drive. a professional cage fight it's one of the most dangerous jobs in all. I started just fighting for just kind of defend myself going through different schools

1:10:18 because he knew i was legit man grandpa must be gangster he was he's passed away but yeah he uh and I'd always kind of get into a little scrapping match or whatever. was like the man in school and i did it and i did it just because i loved it and you know now now i You know? My best man. That's my guy, dude, my right-hand man. He's a good motherfucker man and tough as nails yeah my best man that's my

1:12:09 Oh, really? He fought very smart and very tough. Yeah, he said he met him out at the bar, and he's like, hey, let me buy you a drink. You know, he's like, this guy, there's a lot of dudes at the bar. So out of nowhere, he meets the guy, says, all right, man, I'm going to get out of here. in i guess josh like sparred a little bit but he's kind of like conserving and he's like because i

1:13:57 Wasn't there something weird like Josh had MMA gloves? There was some weirdness going on because it was all over the Internet, Then they would get beat up and tapped out, you know, and then they obviously had a respect for it. There's always gonna be some fucking wackadoo. Yeah, who thinks he knows how to fight wants to go in there and the street guys

1:15:36 that they beat him to death It's a fucking very disturbing video to watch. That dude, that dude. look he's not it's not even like he's really trying to hit him it seems it's weird touch but actually he's kind of crazy Why are you going to keep pounding him? Is that black dynamite? Yeah, he's... Oh, they got sound effects. I don't know. I don't know what the story is behind that.

1:18:54 Just taking on 13 December. Boy, I guess you kind of make the argument that it was a fight. Because I don't know if anybody's ever. He got stomped on the head twice while he was unconscious, gonna get some force behind those stomps yeah i don't know what happened see what we find out What are the rankings? Honestly, I've been fighting everybody in the 55 and 45 division.

1:21:09 some Brazilian writer put him lower on the list than he was before. Well, what the fuck is the point of the rankings If you watch Uriah Hall fight and you can't tell he's a motherfucker. That's crazy. So how the fuck is Dennis Bermudez ahead of you? Yeah, Bermudez is a beast, dude. He's an awesome fighter. Yeah. I used to train with that guy back and forth, so it was kind of weird fighting him.

1:23:11 Yeah, he's clever in not being there for the big shots. I'm kind of like, man, like, I know everything. Yeah, yeah, right? Zoned in Yeah just didn't have Like the focus I don't know Maybe it was just Yeah he's like Snake handled you Yeah yeah right He's a very clever guy The way he fought The end of the fight. Yeah. back in the day, It's like some guys like you just have certain— Yeah, there's just no getting around that.

1:25:04 if you could be a movement guy and could do all those other things, you could have that as well? And also, tripping people out, too, because I feel like you have to be adapting using the Charles Darwin theory. and all angles, jiu-jitsu, wrestling. I see that fight going like uh that uh that tony He's also like – he practices that shit so often. Yeah.

1:27:27 I just felt like Aldo just fought to just get by and win. Yeah. It made me kind of think maybe he was injured. He looked like the Aldo that knocked out Mendes in Brazil. I felt like he could have done a little bit more. You know, he's always throwing kicks. I think you're going to see a lot of high-level action. So when you think about your career do you have

1:30:09 maybe it's time for me to hang up. I tell Sean Shelby I'm like man keep me active dude I don't want to fight twice a year you know fights I haven't fought them guys and I feel like those are great fights for me to go out there and really excel make some big money and win and really just cool. You know, no one's, I'm just training, doing my thing. doing my thing and then you know what what kind of diet do you follow do you have a

1:32:11 I've preached this guy, and he's amazing, man. I can basically just go into the computer type in my weight your nutrient levels or find what you need or what you need to supplement? I have, I have a long time ago and I haven't done that details how he does that you know that that's his thing and and why he makes his money but so does potato or a little bit more oatmeal before practice or something like that. So he's a,

1:34:40 and then he got into the military and helping out the military with nutrition. It's easy to sign up. And what do you weigh before you start the big cut, before you dehydrate yourself? And I'd still feel fine, but I was cutting so much weight, man, And like throughout the week, I'm burning like a pound and a half to two pounds per week just depending on my body fat.

1:37:02 shit sucks dude well i'm looking at a guy like you, you know, if I didn't know any better, one of those solid guys i've never been you never seen me get tossed around or anything like that They just train, train, train, kill themselves. Like when you don't want to run and it's like you're tired after 75 minutes You notice that the fresh guys that are coming in, they're getting more tired than you in just one round.

1:39:09 really help that's interesting so you what kind of strength and conditioning like what kind of uh somebody i that can really push me you know some guys you're just like if this guy was over here You know, we're doing a lot of lateral drills. We're doing a hundred yard sprints. We're running What is that wheel with your hands that you do that's like a bike with your hands?

1:41:02 Brock Lesnar had that thing. He's Mexican style. Like, hey, I want to challenge you. to you got to break yourself dude i mean there's so many times that i wanted to quit and that i where they at George? Where they at? Like the Diaz, you know, cause his name is George. I'm like, You know, not like sparring. it comes time to end camp, I do my sparring.

1:43:51 That gym is amazing. He's about to fight for a title. So Ross is moving to 170? Or, you know, I think he maybe lost the first or two rounds, Tried 45. He's a big dude. and, like, you fight. different you you like the fact that you you know that he's got to go through that as well not go through the grueling pattern that he's gone through all his other fights.

1:46:50 like oh body fat yeah you see his demeanor he's like oh you know nothing's going on it's like where you can weigh in way earlier. So fight at 185 like jesus christ you'd see him he was so drained oh my god man he was so drained he looked he looked crazy like yeah it And then, you know, they rehydrate me properly, and I believe in those guys and my team and the rehydration.

1:48:48 And they were sending me all this stuff, you know, and I read a lot about it because I was like, all right, well, do this. uh i was more or less just sprint i was was just top heavy. I never really had a low intensity and, uh, what is it like the VO two max? The reason why people do that is because a lot of Or is it? Yeah. rounds he's able to recover even better while you're already at lactic threshold then you try

1:51:14 and then sprints on top of that, explosion on top of that. What is Tabata? And then low-base training. Yeah. Mm-hmm. you cannot build high base cardio by sprint, sprint, sprint, killing yourself. He's like, we got to build this low base. And he's also a spinal surgeon, you know, and he's just like, dude, he's like, you cannot build high base cardio by sprint, sprint, sprint, killing yourself.

1:53:48 Well, it totally makes sense, man. Yeah. see it i i can break people in the gym by constant pressure pace and then like i can recover within Well, have you ever done the Keith Webith weber kettlebell extreme kettlebell cardio do it and when I start out It's not a video. go out on a run and don't take your phone Just go out on a run where you have to run.

1:56:58 Like one time, because sometimes I listen to music and sometimes I just like to listen to my thoughts. than the physical. Do you get addicted to that say is really good for your testosterone yeah and that hill sprints in particular right yep they were getting and they're just like yeah i'm killing it but then when they stop doing that but his philosophy was.

1:59:01 They're like, this fucking place, the toilets are all backed up. that he felt like it didn't matter And he was right. yeah dan gable though there's a cautionary tale in that as well because dan gable's had Everybody's talking about Netflix and chill. And I had, uh, my, uh. Yeah. when i'm in camp but on the on the outside like I'm constantly These are more pinpoint.

2:02:25 Yeah, this is legit right here. No, no, no. You lean your body over this platform. Yep. I do that twice a week and I've done it you know I've never laid on my back and just like focus on Yeah. Jamie, look that up. Yeah, I don't know if that's true. That doesn't have anything to do with. of like taking strips and tested it out but no i haven't tested my blood to see if i am the only

2:06:43 He's like, that's really good. Right. Is that the idea behind it? Yep. Yeah. it's like oh we're gonna get more and more Too much of that. but a local radio show had a contest to drink the most water to win a PlayStation, Yeah, yeah, exactly. legit you're not going to get that from like water but anyway it. What about both? I mean, any type of recovery that you can do.

2:10:57 Oh, yeah. Right. What the hell are you doing, man? Yeah, for sure. yeah the chlorella or whatever uh well total gut health is a combination of uh probiotics You were talking about kefir earlier. I drink that every day. off the substrate that's in the packets so it's uh it's actually a little ecosystem here i love on That's big for dreams. thing i i'm actually a big dreamer and i get into these dreams and i kind of figure out like what

2:14:29 Because I think last time I was talking about the show where I knew I was flying. Man, that's pretty sweet. while you're going through camp and like the last like we've all seen fighters that go through camps if you're a girl and you're dating a crazy guy, experienced so for me to say that there's no god or that there isn't some omnipresent entity a life and they they come and they go, and then even galaxies themselves.

2:18:10 Each galaxy has a super massive black hole in the center of it. Treat others the way you would like to be treated understanding that loving each other foster life and that we can continue to evolve and grow. I don't know. I don't know what it is, That's funny. Oh, man. in the 19 late 1970s it was kind of sketchy. Yeah, it was so sketchy. And the guy goes, oh, it was a ricochet.

2:21:29 i just abandoned everybody and went fishing they didn't even know i was gone like i could have The Keck Observatory in the Big Island. It's incredible. Yeah, if you can get up there and you don't have to go to the very top you go to this like a visitor center When I go to Hawaii and I look up, I get high. to look forward to which i think is a good thing i think there's a lot a lot of good things that

2:24:50 But I think that's that's not really God. That's the hand of man. So it's if it's The original Bible was written in ancient Hebrew. the numbers in the letters like what it means something yeah it's not like you can say ah go And then you translate them to English. career um because we're going to wrap this up soon we'll get like 420 hollow 420 for all you

2:27:37 he just kind of looks like Here's my question. you know you know I know maybe some people are ahead of me, but I go, let you know, But for like two weeks straight, I was continuing to hit sprints. Stayed on point. Yeah. I stayed on point. Just Like I said, I was preparing for 200. You're fit. I've been doing my runs. see me and conor mcgregor he's a heavy-handed guy he's an exciting guy he's an interesting dude

2:31:08 i love watching shorts for you by the way i want to see him in that new new uh building man i hope I've always been a fan, dude, and I know you always represented me very well. Oh, thank you, brother. It's easy to find.