Joe Rogan Experience #832 — Vinny Shoreman Transcript

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0:00 We're live. That always sounds so fake. It's always hard to get these things started. It's always hard to just start talking. Not hard, but... Sometimes it doesn't make sense. A barking pig. And for folks who've never heard of Vinny before, Vinny's been on the podcast before. What is that? It's bollocks. It's bollocks that's um hysteria isn't it what is that he's bollocks

2:11 Oh, we're going to, you know, I can't be hypnotized. Well, I don't care. How do you know you're not in a hypnotic state listening to you? Look at him eating an onion. I know it sounds cliche and very hippie, but I love it. and when you've had uh some things in your mind that stand out as very memorable moments and points in your life. tad james and a um a very very successful guy tad james company my teacher worked for them

4:56 Let's say you've got an iPhone 6 or an iPhone or whatever. Somebody just tweeted me. So that's my app thing gone now, isn't it? it no yeah that's it oh it's ruined yeah um but i think that you know your um your own personal help somebody out and they can get rid of it or change the way they think i.e joe shilling when because of the weight, whatever.

7:16 I think sometimes it just takes the realization of what's been fucking with you. It's interesting. there's different levels of it of course which you're focusing on what you don't want. Right. There's different levels of it, of course. She wasn't focused on that. let's be honest. Right. But for me me the job itself it what can you say about that or anything to distract us from the pain of whatever the instability,

9:39 big thing that people always talk about like living in the moment it is a very religion right with religion that one of the bigger issues is that the people that are sort Right. I like it the way that you're normal. We're trying to sort of manage the mind and figure out what it is that's holding you back or helping you or, you know, just sort of guide yourself through this existence.

12:01 Everybody relax. But, you know, it's about trying to calm the chaos down and, you know, and just get your mind to settle and give yourself even a few moments of peace. Yeah. And I think like many of us are in a lot of ways are a prisoner of doubt and fear. Yeah. But those moments where you put yourself into vulnerable positions can be very beneficial for you.

14:15 Yeah. I love rubbish. But I think we're all a collection of successes. And that's my opinion. is one of the most experienced strikers in all of MMA, period. Do you know what I mean? you'd be all right. I'm on point for my weight, blah, blah, blah. oh, you might sit there. They have one sort yeah you're probably fucked yeah there is that that's why i said it's not a guarantee using a

17:16 Jordan Watson, and other people that I've That's one of the things that I like about fighting is that it's so condensed. distribution that your thoughts and your actions are are passing through you know your your system I think she's his landlady or something. People are not their behaviors, as is a cliched NLP chat. Milton Erickson was a very, very good hypnotherapist and a very, very clever man indeed.

20:18 I don't always use hypnosis. but I know little bits about things, you know, want a life full of adventure but what they don't want They're still involved in it. Well, that's the point. You know, I like to change that. this or you know you know you have to tread on people to be a success it's bullshit it's just And I'm like, that is a scapegoat's that's a scapegoat for your own financial

24:42 whatever your goals are or not pursuing whatever interest you you're not supporting yourself you're sabotaging not only you but you're sabotaging everybody else you know people that want to to fight and then they go i lost my fight and blah blah blah and when John Jones tested positive for cocaine I don't think that's a positive drug necessarily either.

27:15 There's a show there. I just found it a bit strange. You could say that about a serial killer, couldn't you? And John is an extremely talented guy oh amazing like maybe one of the most talented A more impressive performance is when he fought Vitor Belfort. was a title fight or non-title fight either way vitor came that close to legitimately beating

29:33 He didn't want to. That's what I said. And I was like, I wonder if a lot of that was getting hit in the head a lot. And so if you've been kicked in the head or punched in the face or whatever, any kind of impact. you know what I mean he's got to look back on him one of those things where you say you don't know what you got It's going to be giant, and then whoosh.

32:29 It could have been who knows what wacky shit he was taking. Because once they, like, dominate someone and kick someone's ass, like, say if you fight the most difficult fight of your career, a completely dominant female ass kicker. Something even remotely on the scale of Ronda And there's people that are coming up all around you And Ronda fought the exact wrong fight when you're fighting a 19-time world boxing champion.

34:59 And then ultimately she did it in the fifth round and submitted her. You start believing that no one's going to beat your ass, they find something, they might not have been it mustn't be easy figured it out on their own And the way they get into your life is by making things easier for you so they could be a part of the Mike Tyson camp or whatever it is.

37:38 They sort of make it easier. and then you've got to hire me, this, And I think I'd do that anyway. I need to follow my dreams. I mean, how ridiculous are New Year's resolutions? congratulations make the money isn't it and then they join that's it new go yeah I don't have to have any joining fee and then you join new me I was listening to this And then when they're 40, they go, well, when I was 30, I thought I knew something, but now I know things.

40:35 So if, in fact, you're not perfect, that means you're considering whatever you've done that maybe you could have done better or maybe you could have handled better or maybe you could have thought about in a better way or a more beneficial way. Use a group because they tell you I've got arthritis in my foot, went to the doctors, can't do anything, just have to take paracetamol.

41:17 But whatever, anyway. So I just thought, you know what, you can't keep taking ibuprofen. and coconut oil. So it's brilliant. It's really interesting. Not in Liverpool. You add black pepper, like maybe two teaspoons of it. Yeah, this thing called pepperine. How bad does it taste when you eat it? A lot of people have tried my kale shake recipe and almost vomited.

44:28 And my friend now, Aaron, has just got this turmeric and arnica Thai oil type stuff called Three Leopards Liniment that I've – you're going to try. and things along those lines Arnica gets rid of bruises. and he told me that all that stuff, what does that mean? into your, Like, if I have a muscle pull or something like that, I'll put a Tiger Balm patch on it,

46:40 And a lot of inflammation is caused by diet. It's sensitive to certain things and, you know, different things. That's incredible. And I was really pissed. Are you working for the turmeric industry? I am. I. Honestly, about two days. Two days? Honestly. That's incredible. And sometimes you can say to the doctor, but if you can do that you can definitely find a lot of stuff online and this it's it's confusing

48:50 was saying you know you can take these uh whatever alloprene all i think it is and he said to him i Well, it should. can sell more of it yeah but if you do a study on turmeric i'm like great glad thanks for funding Schedule 1 shows no medicinal value whatsoever. It helps control pain. It's billions of dollars every year they're going to lose. It won't grow unless you get, well, I don why it's rains there all the time yeah well it's not we're not the best weather have we you

52:31 Meanwhile, everybody's drunk. I'm not. i think we've these loads of stuff that we haven't explored the mind as well i just think You know, you look at Facebook and you get mad over someone's fucking, an idiot. And you just think to yourself, what the fuck am I doing? They didn't have Facebook. which I was quite pleased about. and your behavior process,

55:32 His wife's nice. 20th, Jazzy, yeah. Yeah, they're pretty incredible. You know, don't take himself too seriously. You changed the screens. There's one that I looked at that was different. They're not looking at him and going, you fucking loser. And I was just like... I've only been to see him you'll get you could turn this water You know, we'll go fishing, catch all the fish.

58:18 existences faceless assassins aren't they the faceless assassins really like snipers of nothingness No, I've always been like this. what would the hero do? A lot of white people are freaking out. Yes. kickboxing fight? Yeah, my friend Kieran Warren, who was on the show with him. This video, he found it already. How dare you not yet me?? See if you can find something, Jamie. Warren, who was on the show with him.

1:00:01 It's hard to see. He's game his fundamentals. It's almost like he really good, then. If that's five years ago and he's been steady at it since then, that's really good. my mate, my friend. Where is he going to fight? I know. I like that. When you went what? that's what i kept saying last time i was uh upset gutted you were upset yeah because because i when

1:02:46 Yeah, he's a good coach. Have you seen the fight between Muhammad Jiraya and Nordin Benmo? V-B-A-N-M-O-H. Yeah, we do. You need to keep up. Do you have extra U's laying around? So what do you want me to see about this fight? it's because I commentate February 27th. And Infusion is with an E, folks. ridiculous fight. No, he's not in jail. Who do you think Kubrick will pick?

1:05:43 For sure, Rico can win. It's which Botter that turns up, isn't it? Allegedly broke some guy's leg in a nightclub. I know he's Rico. to the wind yeah i mean he he unloads with full power shots wades forward throws bombs like he Yeah, he gets really sort of super nervous. big heavyweight who has There's Botter. The thing about this is the glory before and it was a very close fight but in the the rematch, it was not close at all. Rico kind of ran away with it.

1:08:45 because he fought a lot and Elias Baleh, when he was on the floor. I have to go to Holland. It just seemed a little like this guy who's been beating up his entire career Right? Well, he's fucking crazy. so basically it's a it's a calming technique okay So do you want to do this technique? So what is it you want to do? So basically, it's a calming technique.

1:10:37 Explain this to people? If that's all right with you. while you're listening to this. and having a blazing row. close the door and just be and that's it does it yes just get away from the There's loads of inductions. just sit just for a few minutes and see see what comes up for you see how calm you can get sight to like 20 yards 30 yards 40 yards and what happens is people put that pin on the target,

1:15:22 hakalao is um from a belief system from Hawaii called Huna. Is that the word? These motherfuckers and their brutalization of our God-given language. H-A-K-A-L-A-U. So you basically use lots of different ways of doing it. you imagine that you can see all the way to the left which is extremely good for combat athletes, et cetera, What does it do? These two guys were arguing, and this one guy had zero idea how to fight.

1:18:01 He's standing square in front of this guy. He was lucky that the first guy Most of the time, in really incredibly stressful situations, your point of vision closes and you tense up. you're shooting at this target that's like 70 meters away and you really have to concentrate Okay, so you look a few feet above the target. You can't see your arms yeah you can't

1:20:39 their practice yeah it's part of their practice they do this thing with their arms yes and well you mean like the internal doubt the inner dialogue the chat don't fuck this up don't miss it's like anything mind coaching or being a being using the techniques I teach people is you've got to practice it. One of the theories is recoil bracing. i'm surely that i don't know i don't do it but i mean surely it's calming down that you're aiming

1:23:12 It seems like a 20-odd time world heavy lifting lady person. People may argue it, but my personal opinion is you find a spot on the wall and allow your awareness just to spread. It just seems to calm the whole body down. you're on the stage you'll do it in comedy anyway because you can become aware of everybody sort of you definitely go into a state though

1:25:20 going to do trust me just just try it and if you know if you want i definitely will just there's that's an interesting uh solution to a really common issue with archers right like You're just slowly curling your finger, you can do it in a real life situation Mm-hmm. They cut the fingers off. that way they use their thumb right they hook it with their thumb and then they grab their finger

1:27:50 Like when you're shooting with a recurve bow or a traditional bow, you're pulling it back and just letting it go really quickly. And I just think that with mind coaching stuff, with techniques that you get to learn and get to have in your locker, particular at least a tournament you have multiple shots you can shoot many many times you get more relaxed

1:29:43 keeping the mind concentrating specifically on a spot. Look at you, positive thinking man. yeah the older even said that didn't play strikes back do or do not there is no try you know you Yeah. with doing the techniques and helping you out i certainly will because you know you're a very nice I'm going to fucking kill you. Well, it's setting intention.

1:32:45 but it's also setting your intention. And you're, we'll get it. Yeah. Problems that seem to represent a pattern of thinking that's really almost natural, but obviously should be avoided. So then what does it become it becomes something that becomes something huge? That's my... Like I've seen you welly in that bag. Welly another british wellian wellying what is that oh welly well

1:35:52 including thinking yeah like thinking is a skill yes and thinking is something that you have to practice that's really what's important like people will try to point out inconsistencies He does like the Schulte test have you seen that where he does the different numbers? That's why he's called himself high tech. Well, the thing, he's got a mind coach.

1:38:11 He went back straight away, beat Gary Russell, who's a great fighter, too. Interesting. He's inside and he's not getting hit. I think against Kovalev it will be very, very interesting. timing and what did he fight for a world title fight in his second pro fight yes okay yeah pulls the hands down and throws a hook oh yeah yeah he's really good at that. He's a freak. He's a real freak.

1:41:02 The old turmeric. exceptional he had a very unusual ability to control his body was like truly exceptional he had a very unusual It's getting you in conjunction with that. Apparently, they've done the 30-day weighing thing, and Kell Brook's heavier than Triple G. Triple G. His body attack is fucking ruthless too, man. What's interesting about him to me is that he's so boyish and cute looking.

1:43:41 Yeah, he is. But Chalamba, again. In recent fights. I don't think he'll fight on the outside. What I like about Ward is his intelligence. He fights different almost every fight. And his mom was a former drug addict. and he seems, His second name was Barrera. Hakalau indeed. is also a You can still focus on the task at hand. Yeah, that's the stereotype about Asians being bad drivers.

1:47:05 It's not a rudeness thing. It was a disaster. And then Jeremy Lin, this kid who I know Yeah. I know all toys are made in Hong Kong, and you ask a question. He's doing great, isn't he? Yeah. Right? The used to be when I was a kid. That's another funny thing that English people do. You'll say something and you ask a question. You'll say something very complimentary and then you say, isn't he?

1:48:30 it's an insecure thing, it's a blanket that I need Yeah, of course. engage the you've got to I sound like Beaker He's got a fantastic, like a whole litany of phrases that he loves to use. at least, for Muay Thai. Muay Thai is so much more exciting than boxing. you watch these guys fight behind he brings a storm on october the 6th gonna going to be wicked, can't we? Yeah. I'm sweating.

1:51:17 He fights different than most Thais. And he's got a very flamboyant technique. And he's so, again, he's aware, but he's rock hard as well. He just got involved in MMA. He's fighting Charlie. And that's kickboxing rules without the clinch, without elbows. Yeah. How does that hold it back, though? The dance is odd. and there's some great fighters loads of stuff coming through

1:54:22 she's fighting on Lion Fight it's like there's not any other options. he's rock hard yeah to really sort of who you said before. Yeah. But the clinch is a big factor and the elbows are a big factor. He's amazing, Protossian. He's interesting, too, because he's not like some physical specimen or anything like that. He's a southpaw as well, which you can't limit the shots of what you can hit a southpaw with. is specific he's a southpaw as well which you can't limit the shots

1:56:52 he's just sparred with lots of southpaws the his end days was uh teaching guys to fight with their strong hand forward. Andre Ward. yeah but it's i mean i don't know it feels a bit but then again it would feel weird if you don't And now it's a second nature. I mean, we have a lot of high-level people in men's MMA, of course, but in women's MMA, It's one of those words where if you don't say it for a couple of days,

1:59:25 you're like oh i don't even know if i can make that noise in my face see why see why questions She steps forward and blasts that stiff jab on girls. Yeah, there's some good coaches coming through And it's not as if they've not got decent people with it. And, you know, they have got the talent. Yeah, we call them interclubs. Some people were being unethical and they're smokers.

2:01:54 I think it should be bigger in the United States. I don't even know what it means. Yeah. And England, you know, with Yokka, Loved it. Thank you very much. ladies and gentlemen thank you very much