Joe Rogan Experience #837 — Gad Saad Transcript

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0:00 and we're back what's up buddy how are you how you doing great to see you look tan I bet your vitamin D levels are at an all-time high. and then that's how I get my supplement. although it's kind of counterintuitive, you think they're really bad for you, it's actually not that bad for you. taking vitamin D and even suntanning beds. People don't realize that suntanning beds,

1:30 of the sort of obsessive suntanner? Exactly. I said, but you're a dermatologist. What can we talk about? Who do you think is likely to succumb to that affliction? It's the same reason that men rob banks, not women. Women. perspective is to then look at to the extent that these human universals manifest themselves in So actually, it's a good question.

4:42 Your menstrual cycle. Have you ever heard? Do you understand what I'm saying? What would you think it might be? or if they're already pregnant, and then there's an environmental input that says, that it's model, the idea is that eating disorders is a special instantiation of that. resources are depleted like nature kicks in but there's no conscious decision-making process. When a woman is deciding to be anorexic, at least there's some form of decision-making

7:54 Proximate explanations in science explain the how and the what of something. question is why have women evolved that physiological response before I give the Therefore, all of the mechanisms that she experiences, attraction to certain foods, pickles, a propulsion from other foods, the feeling of being nauseous, the throwing up, all of those built-in mechanisms are evolved mechanisms that are meant to protect possibly the fetus from

10:25 also add photoshop to it right so in the in the evolutionary explanation to the eating disorder Whatever she feels is what the reality is, right? But the explanation that I've given you is the ultimate Darwinian why. That makes sense because it is primarily single women, right? But what that still doesn't cover is Hippocrates. So I haven't read the original manuscript.

13:43 evolutionary argument, you don't just come up with a post hoc story, as some people who don't understand evolutionary Okay. Well, it would be so that they should have bigger hips. are more likely to conceive, Now we could look at art data. You could take congenitally blind men. from multiple converging lines of evidence Oh, mannequins. Wait a minute.

17:20 Because you can't just judge what a guy likes in women by letting him touch a doll. I'm sure a lot of women would sign up for that. 2010 he just do congenital blind men and waist to hip ratios and it'll come up It's kind of ridiculous. I can't remember the company's name it's Those are women, I think. Mannequins. You can get real women. into that anorexic state because you sort of get this body dysmorphia thing going on by looking at

21:05 as women being victimized by these unrealistic body images, So I'm being victimized because I'm a shorter guy, if you forgive me for saying, as you are, right? They have long hair. on his six-pack, right? to what women fantasize about. Slightly. So Munchausen syndrome, for the viewers who don't know, and empathy by being the victim to the extent that Western women, you know, have been liberated

24:22 well that's what i'm asking why do why is munchausen syndrome more apparent in women than it is in men? disorder. I would think that women are just frustrated with this. See, one of the differences Yeah. By the way, that exactly speaks to some of the antipathy that people feel which I actually critique in my first book. So her proposal is that the only reason that this exists is because men are trying to harm women?

27:23 that basically says oh it's all due to arbitrary metrics of beauty, I would much rather hear a story that basically says, oh, it's all due to arbitrary construction of beauty standards. that she's acquired through her whole life of running it. jesus like your hands would get sweaty your heart would start beating you'd start freaking out a giant bodybuilder type dude, if that's what he was really into. And you could achieve that

29:51 That's what she was really saying? overweight women, you're a fattest. So there's no state of the world where someone won't accuse you of being an asshole that's the world we It's some sort of a weird contradiction. incidentally what you said uh there's i think now a movement to start fattest studies at universities no such evidence. No, there's You know, having a little bit of fat

32:27 There you go. This is someone who must be emotionally fragile because they're throwing food down their face. There's a rare, you know, my sister was like that. My sister's tiny her nicknames peewee Or maybe I'm exaggerating. when you overeat. you were a stud. Yeah, that electric thing sucks. There's a lot of very fast, because a lot of it is, I might be using a bad one, but

34:58 insidious it wasn't this is society's standards that they're enforcing on you god exactly very There you go. But you're a smart guy. Well, it must be, right? He was chain smoking in his office. This guy is stupid if he's smoking cigarettes. So let's set up public service announcements fact that there are these Darwinian pulls that make it difficult for us to extricate ourselves

37:49 for what I just said. In general, when we make poor decisions that lead to deleterious health understood that these are some traps that we all succumb to, whether it be greed or Do you practice mindfulness? lighter and you won't believe it what have you done like what usually i do so i just do a heavy diets. And I actually switched my own diet to that where I didn't really have a problem being

40:40 have which is like you know a six ounce steak fine. But what you really want is a bunch of healthy fats like coconut oil, avocados. The essential fatty acids, which are really important for brain function. friends, my friend Denny, who's an elite athlete, is a Brazilian from those types of diets that is where the on, man. I don't want you to die. out like a terrorist. I do that. I work out almost every day and I work out hard. So I keep my body

44:16 not designed to eat big plates of pasta or bread or all these sugars that everybody downs in the form of corn syrup drinks So let us, maybe I'll say this, you know, if you say you're going to stop your period, and you're going to I'm going to go anorexia. You're going to do is you're going to wait until two weeks before the show and then you're going to stop your period and you're going to

45:20 and paleolithic diets, that's not And they worked hard to acquire that. My friend Jason just got back from this big trip that he was taking to the Yukon. You're going uphill. it's it's like running a marathon every day almost you know, you just had this incredible, I mean, it's like running a marathon every day almost. Typically, most physicians are trained in the proximate world, right?

47:45 That makes sense. And so if you look at hunter-gatherer societies that most closely mimic our evolutionary past, We were constantly working to try to acquire food. Those are the sort of two big adaptive problems. attention to your gut health? Do you, do you eat probiotics? Ooh, see, that's crazy. Is that right? When you adjust your gut bacteria, when you start taking in healthy probiotics in the form of kefir, I like kombucha.

50:57 When you go to medical school and you get a degree, You're shaking hands. have heard of the studies that show that if you grow up in an environment that doesn't have any natural allergens, That's asthma, but not necessarily allergies. One of my daughters is allergic to cats and we've had It's just genetic. Gotcha. You're shiny. And now I'm married. I've got kids. I don't need to look beautiful. And you want to hear something

54:15 and the only reward delivery system is for us to be foodies, Good Lord. Yeah, something happened. Well, you're going to have to. Yeah, you're right. I was like, this is so stupid. If they found water, it would have pathogens in it and they would wind up getting sick. So if there's an indulgence that I take part in that's not good, it's the occasional getting

56:40 the pressure of whether it's competition or whether it's uh just this yearning for He started smoking cigarettes. job right it's like this this sort of like denial of reality by indulging in something that's not healthy now he would receive one and look at it. He was serious? That was a bit that he had. our ability to engage in self-deception is limitless,

59:50 Really? that are going to come around. But, you know, I remember what they were like when they were babies, when they could barely talk. Because they often will ask you questions that are profound and deep. Because I think children automatically look towards adults as being some sort of superior form of a child. And let's say I don't know the answer.

1:02:39 Yeah, I love that. So what's the psychological trait? And that's such a detrimental dynamic to have. Right. I mean, you know, I might come home at but the family that I was born into that have never apologized about anything and realize that we all make mistakes On this exact point. that era, as we say BCE before common era or BC before Christ. So by definition, those guys were

1:06:32 You say, it's this kind of pathological pride, right? You got to cut that guy loose. doesn't have. Like I like when someone can tell me something that I don't know. Sure. It's with i get to experience the wisdom and the information of someone who's lived a completely So common. How do evolutionary psychologists conduct research? covered that one. The second method of evolutionary psychology is the building of these networks of

1:09:57 Isn't it? build these nomological networks of cumulative evidence. So if I wanted to prove that that So already it demonstrates that it's probably not due to socialization. there's a disorder known as congenital adrenal hyperplasia, which is an endocrinological problem that are very different from Western cultures. The phenomenon manifests itself again. And so

1:12:52 doesn't. So what is a typical tree of knowledge in evolutionary theory? So you could start with called parental investment theory. Females are more careful about the mate choices they make. And what do you think the result shows? that's not a real science. We call him a castrato. That's right. So it's a guy who walks around without testes, but a very inflated ego, who then tells you,

1:16:00 there's discrimination, women in tech. he was giving a speech, probably Jamie can pull it up if he has time. And he was basically giving a in repeating this myth that women working the same job makes 77 cents for every dollar the man makes. there's all these different factors the He is he's caring and sympathetic and he's not a pig. And you probably can fill in the details regarding the, I don't know what the number is, you know, one in five women on university campuses will experience a sexual assault.

1:19:34 You know in propriety I I don't I don't necessarily think that that numbers off so that I think rape is Like if a woman is sober and the man is drunk, no one is ever accusing the woman of being a rapist by having sex with a drunk man. But he's really not a prince. That guy He's being a liar he's uh Masturbation is raping yourself? But it becomes very tricky when you try to decide whether or not that's a crime.

1:22:24 the animal kingdom, there's endless manifestations of deceptive signaling, right? that actually itself is not at all venomous. But yet, because it has usurped this signal, I don't do the behavior. first believe in a lie before selling it to you. It's because when I lie, I actually have Now, deception also has to be defined, like lying and rape by deception.

1:24:58 thing right i'm just sending her cues that i'm going places right i've got all great ideas i've Like, who are you? When a woman fakes orgasm and makes you think that you're a great lover and you have sex with her again. Like, where's the vast majority of this coming from? that everything is due to social construction that what makes us human is that we transcend

1:27:14 Culture. Right. was full of shit, who's now inviting me to his university with all sorts of deference. And not only that, are unwilling to take into account that it might not be a case of either Which is fascinating. inextricable mix of both. That's a very good point. That's what we are. We are in an inextricable mix of both. That's a very good point. That's what we are. We are in an inextricable mix of our genes

1:31:27 For example, there's a field called evolutionary politics or biopolitics, Right. I would like to find somebody who opposes you on this. So what in a double blind review process, I don't know who they are. And give me an example one. realm to psychology. In vacuum in a vacuum your brain I mean, it's a fundamental defining quality of humans I love you. If I navigate amongst my social science friends, well, they're less loving and

1:35:26 Well, looking at this, just because you're looking at something, it doesn't make it so that you can't understand why we are all similar in many ways. Sure. They were back to back on two separate days. business school. Why business school? So I think, so this is a very interesting question. So I think You're going to tell me what are the evolutionary triggers for me to develop a more effective advertising campaign?

1:37:38 There are no human universals. So example. How do you explain suicide? That's, As a matter of fact... That's so rude. Now why? I tried to stay with decorum and politeness. I said, well, it can't be really engaged I usually ask people to hold off their questions Do you know who Richard Feynman is? I mean, Einstein is there and everybody's there. I'm going to show you that I'm the smartest guy in the room.

1:42:20 but they've achieved this notoriety and a status because of the fact they're teaching I don't know him personally well, but he's the exact type of guy who exhibits those types of behaviors. All of us are just idiots who are borderline illiterates. So he's got a big platform. And then also, what he also does is anybody who opposes him, he deletes them from the comments.

1:44:53 And also there's photos of Michael Shermer and the girl smiling weeks after this incident. Because you have to look at it through the lens of this really poisonous person. But I guess he thought that he was so popular that he was sort of untouchable. He's a racist. He's Japanese, by the way. He's a racist. He hates blacks. He All right. If you disagree with whatever Satoshi Kanazawa is saying, let his words come back to haunt

1:48:17 that article. That's exactly what I thought. But I didn't want to write the article because then Which is a fact. Oh. You could make the argument that there are women that are far more beautiful than any which I'm sure he wasn't saying, And I actually had a personal anecdote with him because early on in my career, of black men, black women, white men, white women. And then he would show some racial differences,

1:52:28 The undeniable physical differences in human beings to somehow or another say that bringing those up is racist is really strange. What would have been the selection pressures that would have resulted in this adaptation? Now, I've asked people who were friends with him privately. are you not allowed to do that? And it specifically sort of breaks down the types of research questions that if you want to have a

1:54:52 I mean, in Boolean logic, in mathematical logic, But apparently the argument from the other camp is the mere fact that you ask these questions suggests that there must be a reason that is nefarious for you to ask these Which is bananas. British class elitists said, hey, there's a struggle between the classes. We are the upper Every culture is unique.

1:58:53 And he asked her, I mean, are you sure that there are no universal moral truths? whether if there were a culture where people were told that every fourth child has to have his eyes gouged Who are we to judge other cultures? Hence the lack of criticism for things like female genital mutilation in Islamic communities. Look it up. He is taking down Canada to meet where Sweden and the rest of the European hellholes are now becoming as fast as he can.

2:01:15 But multiculturalism as a political philosophy is the idea that when people come to your land, Hmm. Well, judge asshole. There are some some things that are right and some things that are wrong. as being this massive complex Okay, well, tell me what happened. No, East Africa. that are just built for long distance. Their circumcision done with like sharp sticks and having to crawl naked through thorn bushes and like

2:04:54 i listen to like five podcasts a day so probably a fucking million podcasts ago what is it called Yeah, the Kalan. Interesting. Like they've maybe perhaps turned on this aspect of their brain. Yeah. All over the glove. But you see the pain in his face while he's doing it. He said it's unbelievably painful for about an hour or two hours, like where you just

2:08:10 southern california and so i frank no fred fred oh you've met him that's true he came here that's Wow. Okay. So when was the first time that you ever shot? It was really, I mean, it's a lot more. when should my wife and kids come back to pick me up? I mean, Wow, they're incredible. issues with their hearing it's so bad for you well what what was interesting is when before we went

2:11:31 to describe it ah that's smart and that really sort of softened aswaj to the fear because then They should actually teach people to do that. output, right? Please watch the stimulus and tell me on a scale what you think, right? Or sometimes You know what it also does? They make a lot of, because there's a lot of things involved in shooting a bow and arrow

2:13:58 With a bow and arrow, there's so many different anchor points. And so when you go through your shot process, Oh, my God, I can't believe it's happening. it's top of mind, right? The downside is that sometimes by asking a participant to verbalize, just fill in stuff but that's not really what i did so as is true in most of these methodological I take the, but when you tie your shoes, you just go, whoops, caught it.

2:17:06 And they go, huh, I'm not sure. They've repeated the process so many times. They've made this repetition cemented in their you how I shifted left and right. I couldn't tell you. Now as I'm much older and much heavier, thought because you don't really have the time to say, okay, I'm going to slip this jujitsu only, you know, that's, and I haven't done that in over a year, but it's just because

2:20:16 Yeah, head 100 percent 100 percent and but it pertains to a lot of things and even soccer players Speaking of soccer and your mma stuff i'm man. He's a friend of Ronaldo. and I also know He says he's going to get banged. I will ask you to look at... It doesn't matter, by the way. The six pack is gone. You're going to do it on your own. Yeah, I can't hold your hand, man.

2:22:50 Oh. So when it makes it You got to ramp it up, buddy. So over the last 16 plus years, I've been lifting way more weights. good in the morning but not very early maybe say you do an hour I do an hour that's a lot man It burns a lot of calories. So 2005, we were moving from one house to another. And about four years ago, I went down to bend down, a physiatrist and here's his advice. Never bend again. Well, those people are dipshits. There's

2:26:16 I got back on chondroitin and glucosamine. You really have no qualifications to be saying this. that they're doing. that actually regenerate meniscus. because they found Just had some stem cells shot into his knee. Yes. And Louie Simmons is this guy who runs this very famous powerlifting gym called Westside Barbell. back. So you see when he's lifting the weights up it's strengthening the back when the weights

2:29:40 yoga is also critical. Yoga is huge because there's a bunch of positions in yoga where you are actively decompressing How much do I owe you, doctor? And he was stunned at how weak his lower back is. And when I hurt my neck, one of the things that I did is went to this doctor. Those are good, but you have to learn how to really relax your back. It has to be something you do all the time.

2:31:54 good posture so if you sit like this you'll sit with your spine in a in a good position normal It's better than sitting sometimes. They force you to kind of exercise. and you move around on it. Yeah. Yeah. in place. Well, there's a bunch of those different kinds of standing desks, You actually feel as if somebody hit you with a sledgehammer on your Achilles tendon.

2:35:44 And then I had done you know, I found out that that's what everybody feels. It's amazing how fragile we are. Whatever. My back doesn't hurt at the end. lectures, each one being three hours, and it was no problem. And the only time they look into it is when they're already injured. But I think some of that, at at least can be prevented with proper maintenance and proper spine health.

2:37:58 which is very sporadic and irregular. And I don't allow myself because I know that there's just – Usually it's because of visual cues. And the gentleman comes up to me and says, So this is the first time that I was recognized auditorily, you by your voice because I listened to Joe Rogan's podcast. Wow. But I also think that guy You wouldn't think so much,

2:39:40 of course, I love you too, brother.