Joe Rogan Experience #838 — Josh Zepps Transcript

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0:00 Three, two, one, yes! I'm certainly putting it out. Even though he had two shows yesterday. Rogan and I have an interesting episode It was an epic hour-long argument between a drunk Hannibal Buress and Sam Harris regarding statistics. And the difference, and I mean, what was interesting is how we have conversations about things that are so touchy, right?

2:34 So much of that. He must be. I'm healthy. And about an hour before the end of our party Everyone's held... Yeah, right. i'm responsible he could not consent to that conversation you were the chaperone he was too I do, and I saw what he said And I knew that she was going to tell the truth. He was satire, They lie about their taxes. We're not allowed to bring it up.

6:10 the case that a man is wrongly accused, that's a small price to pay for fostering a climate what is this, like, the Catholic Church that you see in theatre, They're all women. And he goes on like that. really fucking want him to get fired and never to, you know, if amy's show comes back they don't want him back as a writer i'm sure that there are that whole plagiarism scandal especially when he was one of the ones who told her

8:59 I think she felt she didn't have an option, Because you could never do this on a regular show. If that guy is innocent, then Kurt is doing a service because he is expressing this very I mean, if you're grading on a scale, like getting, I mean, let's just assume it's at least a bit worse on that side. So she said that he was a rapist and she followed through with it for a while and then eventually abandoned

11:12 And also, what constitutes a rape? Or he thought there was consent and there wasn't consent. punishment the mob is howling for is now officially more severe than the one for the actual rapist That's right. He claims to be on the side of the victims. He gets raped every day. My point was that no one seems disturbed by this. But also, what kind of evidence do you have?

14:23 And I think for some women, and it's also like like what exactly was the scenario that we're talking about was it a simple was drunk, it was rape, even though and they gave in to the witch hunt. They just wanted to quiet girl behind the dumpsterster on campus you heard about And the apology that this rapist little asshole wrote was like obvious from afar even in the dark

17:04 falsely accused yeah until we can read people's minds clearly and truly god that'll be terrifying and we're going to read each other's minds. And I went to, I can't remember where it was, It's pretty much only on or off. Oh, that's right. to the evidence of that crime scene and then have functional memory of that crime scene because of that, the brain firing when we show this person an image of something, but it's like, I mean, how would you,

20:38 semen, Like you would get no one who truly understands fMRI who would sign off on that. Or no one who's ethical. I mean, from the neuroscientists who I've spoken to, Scientists discover how to implant false memories. Recently made history when they successfully implanted a false memory to the mind of a And this is what I think. reality of either Google or Facebook, I remember.

23:12 Do you know Duncan? Do Duncan's podcast. and it's connected to a computer and it's clunky. You know, it used to be everyone, like remember Wall Street when Michael Douglas had that giant brick phone? Everybody has a phone. we started doing this thing in 2012. and inventing a television talk show now, And now it's all like short live streaming shareable things, right?

25:53 Do you know that? That's pretty significant. offering you sales in a particular store, as actually a more plausible and organic possible future I think that's going to happen as well. human beings filmed human beings with 360 degree cameras and right now it's you know it's fairly It's, you know, I saw the most impressive thing that I saw was the underwater thing.

28:32 It was pixelated and it was some silly game and it was really like clunky, but I could see it. video that's a real guy and apparently dun Duncan says like the porn is just like that. well my guy did by just holding your legs so as long as you're still connected to the boat like The miracle of evolution, of biodiversity, squirted out of another whale's vagina and then grew up and now it's just, now it's doing

31:09 I'm like holding her hand and taking her with these dolphins. over and could see like a shape and a fin pierced the the water and then like what that moment where There was a video off of Maui or excuse me, off of Malibu really recently where these people were flying a drone over Malibu and it was only I don't You put these virtual reality goggles on, and you put a camera on this drone,

33:04 I didn't know that was real. You look like you think that I'm committing a crime. No comment. I'm not sure they're going to do that. It would freak you out, feel like you're just sitting in a chair flying through space. They shot it down. government being pro-Western and pro-American. And so they were sending in Russian special forces They think that it was the West.

36:25 And they were just flying and they'd been in the air for a few hours and they were going over Ukrainian airspace. And it's self-guided. The deceleration is so fast that I've heard scientists say into my head that whole story but i want some kind of flight yeah that's not good yeah be amazing Like, when film was invented, they started out just by doing,

38:49 it strikes me as just something like, whoa! It'll become everything it can become. It's not going a bunch of different social misfits their internet connection and food and that is where they exist and that is really common so if And you're like, hmm, let's see what's going on. Ari Shaffir and Big Jay Oakerson did a podcast where they were on the roof of this building.

40:57 That's what he does. Because he feels like he enjoy, he thinks there's a virtue in being bored And it's amazing to me that I'm amazed that that's the case. And that space, that just psychic space of not having the ability to check who's talking about me on Twitter, that you want to write or the stand-up bit that you want to do or the painting that you

43:30 What is? Yeah, but I think everyone looks at you and thinks, fuck, I wish I was more like Joe. get very little satisfaction from it i just all i think is the next one's got to be good too I've had people like that before, especially people that don't know how to do podcasts or they haven't done them before. and we were talking about this a little bit last night with Sam Harris on my podcast about when should you interrupt and when should you not interrupt.

46:50 then there's basically one person standing on the sidelines and another person trying to do the two-step or the flamenco by themselves. flow of the conversation. Right. So you've got to know. You've got to have the, yeah. A person who is good at it. number of different subject areas. Well, that's just a more pronounced version of it. I try very little.

48:47 So I book a trip to LA. My image of you is like, you didn't have any cell phone reception. We're just out there on public land in the wilderness and chasing after deer. Yeah. We ate that all by the fourth or fifth day, and then we were eating that shitty freeze-dried stuff. I leave that fucking thing alone Yeah, so you choose to hang out with your friends you choose to hang out with your acquaintances all the people that you know you

51:26 so there are two problems right one is the the absence of distract the distractedness that it drip drip yeah something yes fucking crazy, man. you're the guy. Ah, don't worry Hannibal stole it. I'll send you a bunch. Yeah, all right. Well, this comes back to Twitter. didn't like, and it was so cathartic and so beautiful. Anyway, he waxes all lyrical and gets all poetic about it.

54:24 All right, maybe that's the wrong example. That's wise. Like, I was at the Aspen Comedy Festival and saw him, you know, with 50 people in the room. It's a stadium. He's going to be doing a bit. Somebody told me it was animated. I think. I watched the first... It's not like HBO doesn't have the money to get a good set if we wanted a good set. if that makes sense.

57:25 for you to figure out like what the characters are all about Well, not him. That's interesting. He didn't lie. I mean, that was part of what he was saying, that he was going on tour for more money, bunch of news articles came out about how he had no money. Homemade wine. Risk Why do we want to hear the bad shit? I want to see blood. It could have been anything.

1:00:17 But this was a VW. Probably caught on fire. Okay. I like how you say it. And we go out on a drive through the countryside. Actually, it was for more than a weekend. It does if it's a 1960s vintage Jaguar. And then he wants you to pay? I was a child. Did it even have a fucking fire extinguisher? And he was a wealthy guy, this guy? He didn't make them pay.

1:02:47 My parents are nice people, Joe. I'm trying to think of what model that I mean, you know, it's a... I'm making things up. It was something like that. What is that one, Jamie? You know, they make those now with modern underpinnings. Super common. Can you show me a 65 Corvette? That'd be great. I've got a few. And it only weighs like, it's probably less than 3,000 pounds, especially because it's a convertible.

1:05:27 I'm not even going to go there. No, it's just something personal in my life that I don't want to talk about. is so much less interesting right now you the skeleton of the story, Trying to make a baby. the ultimate superhuman machine. Earlier this morning, I came into a bucket and So HuffPost was bought by AOL in 2011. One is they've got some proprietary ad software, which is helpful for websites.

1:08:54 Scroll that down. $20 a month for dial-up speed. Or they're just old hicks and they don't know better. if i was an old rich lady i'd have some hobby horses though a lot of dudes that need money And she spends, in other words, she spends a lot of time going around the world giving speeches about why you should get more sleep. She wrote a whole book.

1:11:10 Here it is, the sleep revolution. Unknowingly Some people are just like that when you're around them, that's why certain people have bad energy and certain people have good Might be total bullshit, but there might be something to it. Here's another reason why I might be interested in believing that. There's no nothing. Oh, I see what you're saying.

1:14:28 You know that feeling you get of New York City, like it's alive. and there's just something so I mean for a start the blazing sky of just stars so bright that if I think we've become accustomed to the signal of a city, the signal of all the people and all the things that are being broadcasted around us and all the waves and all the different shit that we're experiencing unknowingly might

1:16:04 That's cell towers, right? They're like, what the fuck is that? So it's entirely conceivable that with bees and other animals tuned into things that we're not tuned into. But, I mean, after three, four, five days, There's something going on. The dopamine hit, mate. I did a segment on the Discovery Science Channel show based on, fingertips and we're so much more nimble intellectually? Or is it making us more stupid

1:19:47 but then a little email pops up and then a text message comes through. right? because it gives you a fake way of feeling like you're doing something Of course you can. this symbiotic relationship that we're going to something different. And I think this are going to become something different. I was just going to go to the store. It's a strange feeling.

1:22:34 and I think it's really interesting. And just to go down and pick him up, I had exited the room without my phone to listen to a podcast. Thank you, Joe. I feel better. How much do I owe you for this session? it's possible that we could have both we could we could literally have artificial life forms that Did you see Ex Machina? Because that's one of the things that all of these people sort of agree with,

1:26:42 Neither of us are inebriated. Neither of us are incredibly tired. I think it'll be easier to make a robot that passes the Turing test that seems to us to be self-aware than it will be to know whether or not it really is self-aware. real is a carbon-based life of biological intelligence, cells, life, death, now right now if we continue to go from here till you know thousands and thousands of years from now

1:30:08 city and on this planet that human beings have created. are quick enough let's stop right here let's stop right here and work for the What is going on? you know, they will, you get in that zone It's only about 10 pages long. Is that a kind of a vision? intelligence is what would have to happen for it to be meaningful to say, what is it like to be And when it does, I'm not saying it won't happen.

1:33:45 going to happen i mean so at some point there will be i mean i sort of agree with the materialists on They're scientifically schooled in the nature of the light spectrum, beautiful and amazing the world looks? Of course course they'd be overwhelmed by how much richer the experience of experiencing colour is Well, color is a purely visual thing. Yes, a scientist could have answered you.

1:36:06 Not without seeing it. A scientist would have been able to have the person who's never seen color and a person So that's what I'm talking about. It's a visual experience of data. That's data. what does it mean to actually feel and be self-aware and be conscious There clearly is a difference. that is just behaving like me, but actually the is the difference at which how are we going to know where when once that where that boundary is

1:39:02 once that is replicable, significant possibility there's a real physicist that we are living in some form of a simulation currently, And then we have these subatomic particles that blink in and out of existence. Have you seen Stranger Things on Netflix? I tried ayahuasca for the first time. Bad how? I was going out on a trip with my brother in Amsterdam, like wandering around.

1:42:29 how big it was. Oh, it was a handful. I didn't know where the walls were. People were looking at me because it was just just one of those weird, just not good. They rent out a dance studio or some space. And there were about 20 people there. This has been going on for thousands of I'm sure it has other functions as well, but it would cause you to get high on certain grasses and plants and many, many different ones.

1:44:56 for dealing with the monoamine oxidase that your stomach produces. I went into it sort of wanting what everyone, I guess, wants out of a psychedelic experience, weird like pez dispensers dancing and all kinds of amazing visual hallucinations i opened my eyes Like the visual data was there. Is there someone sitting next to me? um what i loved what i was heartened by was the true sort of josh sepps that came out during the experience was a very, like, funny, not funny haha, but, like, just joyful person.

1:48:12 then it would get worse and worse. the experience so i sort of gave myself into it and like there were moments where like the funniest with the blanket over my head. It was a fun... And all of a sudden the drug tells me that she can't even give me an insight were produced inside of stars that have been spewed out of exploding stars and have accreted on this little rock

1:51:03 and we are self-aware, and we are conscious, and we're looking at the universe that created us, Yep. or more capable. powerful than the sun more powerful than anything and it sounds a bit corny when you're not high stupid to people who've never done psychedelics. It's an insight. And a lot of times it's more, for some people, more life-changing. told you should really have someone who sort of knows what they're doing with you. Or don't be a

1:55:53 And it blossomed into this incredible flower of geometric patterns and continued to get more and more beautiful as I relaxed more and more. Terrence McKenna described it as, like you're in some sort of a well of souls. things to them, and you can measure them. But this is just almost like a prison of a dimension, and what's it going to be able to accomplish, and we're going to open up other dimensions as possibilities for consciousness to exist

1:58:49 believe that the Moses experience was about DMT? DMT-rich plants You would see God. As a medicine, yeah. and connects to addictive substances. that people will go into the experience, in the universe but i don't really mean in terms of woo-woo. Right. He's like, this is amazing. to. But those are those are words right dimensions or words where it's time space distance all these different things are words, right? Dimensions are words. There's time, space, distance. All these different things are words. And these words sort of lock in a definition in our own mind.

2:03:50 dimension i mean the word dimension is a weird word because it's so limiting and defining and or slash intelligence or whatever it is, whatever you want to call it, what happens when you take dmt is that there are neurological disturbances and your brain goes I'm like, you're out of your fucking mind. Massive blind spot. I mean, some of it is hallucinations, but-

2:06:33 Are you implying that McKenna... hallucinations uh because there are just things like I would open my eyes and then there was a river in the middle of the room between me and the other people sitting there. like I was going to vomit. And then I'd be like, oh, okay, I have to take this shit seriously. Right. I know from the hardcore version of it, you're not

2:08:45 No, sure, but people have been using this for thousands of years trying to figure out what the what the competing claims about this this dimension that we're Or like, no one has ever become more petty. that makes it more plausible than it would otherwise be, that you're actually viewing If you gave a person all the money in the world and all the tools and toys in the world

2:11:40 at the core of all of us once you you strip everything else away, is a kind we think of as soul again weighted words weighted words, weird words. But ultimately, Anthony Robbins has an interesting line that you reminded me of at the beginning of the show when you were joking about how you always feel unfulfilled. What has he done? No, none. Am I content?

2:15:08 trying to figure out what you can, what's better. Can I cut this out? Should I leave this here? better. This constant state of, and the most people that I find that are really super happy Yeah. and it's some sci-fi masterpiece, then I could understand. But he's not doing that. Robert McKee runs his three-day seminar, incredibly invaluable. Well, you know where that doesn't work?

2:17:48 all awful comics. There's one guy who was really helpful to me when I started doing stand-up, Like David Tells, not out there teaching stand-up. Anytime they try to do something which is calculated to appeal to a particular demographic or which is based on notes that other people have given them or which is intended to fill a particular niche, it falls flat on its face. And every time they do something that is for them,

2:19:31 made me laugh. I couldn't break it down. Like if I went to see Sam Kinison or Jerry Seinfeld or point because i i sometimes wonder i was i was a late bloomer in figuring out who i am And that's enough. like reading the comments section of a website uh but it i think some of sometimes one of the instead of just me yeah you got to be you yeah um i think the thing that happens also with the

2:22:09 have a catalog fuck man you could tour forever you don't need to write a new song ever but if I mean, in one respect, I can sort of understand it because if you're, like, take music, maybe not the Rolling Stones, but say Hanson. Yeah, I went and saw him in Sydney. That's the same with fill in the blank. Well, there are a bunch of things that we think we want.

2:24:42 There was just a time where he was just a maniac. It doesn't mean that Mort Sahl is not a brilliant comedian. Well, go listen to that stuff today. And there was this girl that was working at the front her name. But I remember she told That apparently people have done this and that they treat people's bodies I mean, if it's a stranger, I understand. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

2:27:13 Anyway, the point is, this girl does this bit for me. Oh, you mean life keeps fucking me in the ass even after you're dead? I thought comedy was evening at the improv. coat. I don't believe so. Cut the biggest line in the world. And he went from being one of the best ever to being, like, an open-mic-ers caricature of who he really was, where he really didn't have any points.

2:29:33 And I think with a lot of comedians, Tell me about it. Like, give me an example. Well, I had three hours, and she knows I'm a huge fan. different thing yeah to see her kind of pottering around her home in hawaii like trying to run for dunbar's number like there's there's only like a certain amount of data you can stuff in that de niro was sitting in seat 1a so i don't know how he got on the plane or how long he'd been on

2:32:31 So I was one of the first people on the plane, and I also happened to be in first class. And it's incredible to, I mean, unsubtly nudge But what a horrible normal. Get a big chunk out. Yeah. They swarm the table and come over with cameras and pictures And they feel like you owe them. makes them sort of otherworldly. No, you're not an idiot. He didn't give a fuck.

2:35:39 I don't remember. I've had some bad experiences. And then he'd go back to first class. about this one time that he did that. Look, I've occasionally, I will confess, and you can't get out. You don't want to disturb things Then as soon as it would have had time to have gotten to you, if it had been emitted by someone nearby, then you very visibly start to react to the bad smell.

2:38:03 And then once they wince, then you go, oh, because then the trajectory can be established. Who is this? and she made it even worse. And I was blaming it all on And who knows what he ate he ate a small child who was farting inside him and now he's farting the fart many things and you're not going to have to worry about getting a heart transplant. i got the mri apparently my shoulder had been dislocated i didn't know it and it popped back

2:40:43 then gotten these injections and had some pretty pretty results with it. And he's like, look, you really probably need surgery, And then it kept getting better and better and better. get pulled out of there one day but there's no pain so there's no there's no different constituent components in order to rebuild a portion of joe's body it's crazy shit

2:43:03 Right? It's fun. I gave up. Like, they had this whole thing about white male athletes. It's amazing that people are allowed to... as you're being sexist and racist about a class that you believe is privileged. I mean, it's so annoying. I can understand that it's less bad. So did you see there was a he won a silver and he was above her. He was wildly panned for being racially insensitive?

2:46:40 That is the kind of headline that's written by a constipated white guilty liberal. They put up a second one 10 minutes later. So, because Michael Phelps was first. in the same headline as him anyway can you have another goddamn story where she won a gold medal Because he's the Kim Kardashian of swimming. That's the original. again to be fair the reason why this that that headline is stupid or exists in the first place is because it's written by someone who has been contaminated by social justice warrior thinking and thinks that they need to point out the race of the gold medalist.

2:49:50 I don't know why we have to... He got exposed. That's not proof that he's in a protected class. Good. No. I'm going to get. I think her show Photoshopped it. Someone Photoshopped it and then she tweeted it. Oh, okay. I see. Right. Someone, a fan did it or did she do it? I think her show Photoshopped it. by hussein bolt that's funny it's funny is that a photoshop is that what that is no she's really

2:52:10 We have a picture of her girlfriend right there. She looked really cute in the small picture. So this comes down to the question of when we accuse someone of doing something racist, do we actually believe that they're racist? Yeah. Yeah. and intellectual effort, Joe, Just blow it up. Yeah. I hope that the tide is turning, They're still not going out and experiencing the world.

2:54:18 hair the other day. Was it Braids came from Egypt. and she can get away with it. and he's going to cop it, she assumes. recognize that it's appropriation and to and to to to understand and to express their gratitude for that's going to cause more of a fucking stir than if she tuesday you're a piece of shit you know come on it's fucking dumb man it's dumb you're probably

2:57:11 I think you're right. I think the data had to come in and we had to understand the only reason why people are being so recreationally outraged And once you have those things why someone would be outraged that you would step up and defend a guy when you don't really know Like, did you see- But they ban this guy. Right. No. Shoot him in the dick. Saatchi and Saatchi is one of the world's biggest ad agencies.

3:00:20 that it's not an issue at Saatchi And he was fired. I sort of understand... Her wonderful box of sleeping. One million But when a white man says, and look, I don't know that it is appropriate for a white man at the top of a company that doesn't have very many women on the board to be speculating loudly about why it's not important, If there's a specific example of sexism that he needs to address in his company and then he needs to make a statement on it, that's one thing.

3:02:55 away from this old dinosaur idea of what sex... There's nothing wrong with what he said. Right, exactly. Cut them loose anyway. Having someone like him express a view like that actually silences other people because it deprives, it probably inhibits the women in his company from feeling like they can speak openly about their ambitions because they think that there's a misogynistic, chauvinistic old dinosaur in charge of the company.

3:04:32 Saatchi and Saatchi. Try Saatchi Boss Feminism. hmm Whatever the fuck that person just said, yeah, you can get upset at a guy if he says that. point you don't understand i'm way happier than you he explained their ambition is not a vertical because they want connectivity and collaboration. to be happy. Yeah, you just read that. So they say, we're not judging ourselves by those standards

3:07:38 And then the following weekend, they announced that he'd been placed on leave. They should boycott that agency. constantly dipping into that well of insanity. and pages. We had to migrate it into messenger. I had to go into They said to me. Yeah. It's not the smartest thing to say. It's not offensive. I can't do this anymore. an English sports broadcaster called one of the,

3:10:26 nasty old nigger. took his credit card and she shit in his mouth and she left the house and she fucked her her What's that sound? I got to get out of here, dude. no I mean I'm glad the Mazger conversation it's there's a thing happening there with this other guy this is not this is a conversation get a podcast. Well, he's got When is that going to be released?

3:12:44 No, it was just it's already done yeah but why are you we have a copy of it we're just going to fucking send it out there thank you ladies and gentlemen