Joe Rogan Experience #847 — Dan Carlin Transcript

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0:00 three two one yes Dan Carlin we're live what's up buddy always a pleasure my friend deja vu all When you're doing hardcore history, that's a great work. I mean, the facts. On the history one, like you said, it's forever. And so you really have to dot your I's and cross your T's and all that kind of brain damage don't make fun of people who are, you know, it's chaff. And I go, of course I know it's chaff. I wouldn't have brought it up. It's brain damage.

2:50 world i have one claim to fame number one in time it takes to get a new show out it's not the same Prophets of Doom. time on them. I think what happens is, I think, you know, originally But, you know, the standards of what we all do are so much higher than when we started doing them. One of the things that we're doing is we're trying to express ourselves, but we're also trying to monitor ourselves at the same time.

5:29 have more stuff in my computer but the computer is slower than it used to be and so i'll have this like there's things that I used to know so well just 10, 15 years ago Yeah, the bus speed is not what it used to be. Where I come from, coffee is health food. up in Oregon, but I've been there 20 years. I don't know than I've lived anywhere in my life.

7:52 Yeah. somalia in the middle of you know all sorts of different crises that are going on so it's really So he wanted to go home where everything was the same. every for those who don't know Los Angeles like every 15 years bulldozes itself and rebuilds In Colorado, either. As soon as the ground started shaking. I was there for four months. I would never have thought.

11:28 because obviously a lot of people have kids in colorado but i think that if you're from sea level Like, if you're just standing around talking, it seems normal. Boston. So it's a small place. It's always been small. You go back there, it's kind of I buy all these old books with pictures of Magic Mountain when I was a kid and Honey, no, it smelled like manure.

13:32 Just fields and stuff, rolling hills. and how recent this country has existed, It's bizarre. generations no the spanish were here a long time ago but but up in the pacific northwest it wasn't Yeah. My mom did a film in Florida in 1972. And I'm not talking about the apologies to Floridians Frank Robinson tells a story about being with the Baltimore Orioles.

17:21 um there was an all in the family episode where archie bunker or one of the neighbors was going neighbors, was going to sell to a black family, and all the other white neighbors freaked out. Holy cow. Then it became Puerto Rican. And then before changed. First, it became black. Then it became Puerto Rican. you know broke down his doorway and arrested him and everything it was a pretty dramatic moment but

19:16 before he died. And it just kept shifting over and over again where new sort of lower income, eras where, I mean, poor African-Americans have always been in boxing because for the same reason, Oh, Benny Leonard. Well, what we've seen a lot now is Russians. And that was enough to kick me out of the idea. And I had a buddy that I worked with. He was going to beat on you.

22:20 Yeah, I learned my lesson pretty fast. I know. Because I didn't see it. And then gymnastics is always a big one. Yeah, because they're all out there skiing and shooting shit all the time. I am. a little different. Trying to knock your little disc But I was making fun of curling that's what I'm going to base it on. just to blow your mind or say, expensive homes. And up in the hills with these amazing views are all the favelas. So it's all

26:14 And, you know, you're looking at like 10-year-old kids. to make everything look nice and and at nighttime they're just victims a lot of the time you know like how many people are getting by Like that's enough to give the whole neighborhood a black eye. And the guy I was going with was like, Jesus, we're going to Compton? I just Googled Compton, and this story just came up from yesterday.

28:07 Cowboys roping and riding right in the heart of Compton have found their hobby can tame some of the most dangerous neighborhoods. where do you keep that? like Burbank so you're allowed to have I just think that's a fact. I just think that's a fact. You're not a cowboy unless cows are involved. Is that the Rogan standard on that? I just think that's a fact.

29:20 What is it? They have an actual ranch? I'm impressed. Well, you know what, man? lots are available all around Boulder. And they just go, oh, really? They think it's bad, but they don't know. Now, I mean, even the actors don't live here much anymore, you know? Yellowstone all these different places that you can go there mostly in the west Because there was a few of these sort of rancher type disputes with the government.

33:08 They logged or they mined or they did those kind of things. old people who have homes stay there's no jobs because everybody was in logging and they get land, and they didn't want to pay. Yeah, they didn't want to pay for public land. Now, before it's amazing. how they kind of leased the land. So you had these ranchers who didn't want to do that. that used to be filled with old growth trees. And they replant it with a single monocrop instead.

36:18 It's time to just level everything on this hill. when you're looking at this huge lumber yard filled with trees, like, how many years of growth is that? but what it is, is like, we're all sharing the resources of the earth. And what's going on in the Amazon right now and what happens when people move in and farm for cattle It gets violent and people die.

38:36 And then to keep doing it, I admire people like that. You would think like it's a real fertile environment, like whatever trees that they do have. yeah and you go in there and you see what old growth can do and you say okay there are no other They take like real wood, like a real giant tree, and they'll turn that giant tree, they'll cut chunks out of it and turn it into a table.

40:51 So he bought it all on the premise that I had this valuable wood. Yeah, don't they make like guitars out of it? you see the grain and it's like, wow, that is so pretty. You know, it's interesting how that Have you ever seen that? Everybody who looks into it for five minutes knows that. Yeah, they probably did. Like the paper, things like that. leave marijuana classified as a Schedule I drug for the same reason they always did, which is

44:13 have already done in roundabout ways. For example, one of the things that they've said in some of rubber is going to meet the road somewhere? I don't know who wins, but there's going to be Yeah, it's in their interest to do that. were studying population in jamaica where a lot of these people who were 75 years old had been Do you see what's going on in Arizona?

46:54 Yeah, fentanyl. But it's just bizarre that we allow that stuff, and it's so transparent today, as opposed pretty much what my political show has been about since the very beginning, they can bundle it all together. And wasn't this sort of structure, the government structure that sort of enforces that or relies on that? It was kind of established before corporations were. And definitely established before corporations were allowed to act as an individual and donate insane amounts of money to campaigns. The problem, you know, and you look at it and you just, you can see how it happened because you could see that the people that gave a little money back in the days when

49:45 now. So if you were a pipe fitter or a plumber or those people that had, you know, electricians had pretty powerful unions, those people would bundle money and those unions would give money to said, OK, what do we need to compete? Because if you look at the long term trends, the people that Republicans tend to get money from, they're just getting more money.

51:13 It's strange how the systems evolve. But the one thing you can say for sure is you're not getting the lives of a vast majority of people. And it becomes a very weird sort of scenario when we million people think one thing and the rest think another thing? How does this all work out? Like, a book right now that talks about our government actually operating sort of between the lines of

53:45 It's like you have an old mainframe computer that you've patched and patched and patched. A big thing that unfortunately kills a lot of people. Symbolic is an inordinate word. One slams into the Pentagon, They'd have to get together and go, okay, are we going to go back to that thing that was written on hemp by people that wrote with feathers? to be in the next 50, 100 years, and maybe plan for the future, the digital future that we're

56:22 for all those things you were talking about you have to go back And, you know, if you go back in time, I made a few mistakes, including things like the CIA and whatnot. But once you start those programs, well, listen, that's a lost thing right there. You know, let's take that division, scrap it, How do they get away with this? do you really want the government knowing every website, especially Lindsey Graham?

59:22 of America, as I call it, the 1950s high school textbook view of America. That, to me, is what I want to move towards. So when they talk about they're going to take over the country once you look at some of the things we did and you realize is the government. You know, I can't figure out how to, how to reverse course to a point where Like I can't figure out how to jump off the merry-go-round. Do you know what I mean? I don't think it moves that way. I think we're trying to

1:01:37 Because there's so many people out there that hate us or hate the government Nobody can. But there are still people who want to kill us. Because, like, look what's going on in North Korea. And we don't have anybody over there, you know, at least as far as I know. gone to war i'll cut you some slack but i don't want you then going on cnn and being the expert

1:04:20 You won't get to kill any more people in government. Sometimes it's powerful friends. got to be a point where somebody has to sit down and say, look, we have a constitution that does Yeah, yeah. Was that guy proven to be gay? that were putting bombs in the Pentagon and stuff like that. So if you have to stamp something top secret on your on your order form, I won't look at it and we'll all be cool.

1:07:54 He said about 10 percent. was supposed to go to, and I ended up with officers pointing, federal agents pointing Yeah. They have the ability to sort of set the tone of the discussion. Yeah, I wonder what if they check the Republicans, But what came out, I guess, was a list, and this is from the Democratic Party's main list of donors right their internal documents which shows the top donors how much they gave and then what was given in return ambassadorships

1:11:10 know all you have to do is look at who the ambassadors were and especially the ambassadors to give enough money so that he becomes the Department of Homeland Security director, I have a special relationship with the Clintons. If you're Hillary Clinton, and they have been after you since before your husband was president, you know, in Arkansas, they were after them. Right. So, you know how on you they're going to be. Wouldn't you stay so far away from any lines that nobody could ever come close to saying you were? But they don't. They both walk and straddle. And that,

1:13:40 And yet they still walk that line. I don't get't get it well don't you think that first of Flying a Cessna into the backwoods. whether it's rogue agents in the CIA or rogue people in the government or whoever was profiting somebody would turn around and say, okay, we have a big problem, and we have to weed because every time they tried to reform it, there was a culture in that little police department

1:16:29 as a way to make sure that our people aren't dosed with LSD, we're going to do it. But the, so the Clintons in the 1980s, they pretty much were able to get away with pretty much whatever they wanted. but this time like when all this stuff was going on established their behavior patterns maybe and and condoned it gets fast-tracked parties here are private entities that can do whatever they want. Someone said to me

1:18:57 someone i mean this is what you're down to you're down to like a monarchy well but that's why you that prevented that i I don't know. we have happened because they couldn't spy on us. You better believe they'll point that out. The government fucks up almost everything because most people don't want to work for the government so who do you get you get a bunch of people that

1:21:19 And so that computer analogy we use is a pretty good one. you have an all-powerful emperor, but they still went through the process of electing senators as Well, that's one of the biggest fears about the Patriot Act, right, and the Patriot Act II as well, but sometimes when you're diagramming how these things happen it's not spy thriller type stuff

1:24:06 controlling vast amounts of wealth, controlling so much of the ability of the United States citizens to do their jobs, to get through life, to do anything they want to do without being She's a DJ from MTV. these people, all the lobbyists and all the special interest groups that constantly work And they gave the power to fight the war to the President.

1:26:40 As a matter of fact, no president even throws that out there. on North Korea? And then Congress would have voted, decided, and then the president would So those are the ways that the Constitution gets destroyed. he codified it. Now that's the rule, right? When both parties agree on something, it becomes the way we do things now. So if Truman had left office, and Eisenhower had come in as a member

1:29:22 We'll fix it. They kept the senators. of the people that voted against spying on you know i mean that's how we are we're such a panicky the 90s and they're still kind of operating Like when you're talking about Hillary Clinton and the Clintons just kind of doing their the real spin that the fbi director of that. And I have a lot of women who say, you know, Hillary Clinton's the most qualified candidate we've ever had for high office. This is all just sexism. And what I

1:33:00 And if she's the first woman president to be impeached how does that help you as the of innocent people killed by drones and how many of and also the the the real issues with him we're going to go and overturn the mistakes of the previous administration. and they showed him the Kennedy assassination And I'm going to say, here's what I said when I ran for president.

1:34:59 And he didn't. So what's the story? It's another thing to have a president who says, you know, I can drop a nuclear bomb. Why can't we just use nuclear weapons? You wonder, like, what was the tone of that discussion? is not the point the point is they're going to get a big impact he's going to kill you know like so i It's funny because, you know, on Twitter, some of the Trump supporters and I don't ever want to broad brush because I know a lot of people that are going to vote for Trump that are old people that are fine people that are, you know, but there's certainly an edge on some of those people that support him that has certain racism, all kinds of things.

1:37:51 and promises to use it, that's Like, what the fuck are you saying? He hits those punch. entertainers i mean that's what it is when you're seeing, it's like they're entertainers. because it doesn't mean anything and shouldn't be allowed to just hijack those words and just they're saying these things that are kind of not like a real sentence. Well, who's, what is God?

1:40:38 Do I want our troops to be safe? Of course. which is the charisma of the individual. And you don't want that guy going to the funerals and representing America. So, I mean, in Europe, he said those are two separate jobs. It's like- you get to stand in for Trump? Like with Hillary Clinton practicing her debates, who sits there? in that sense, that was good for the system. Of course, now we've gone quite a bit farther down

1:44:49 Yeah. And he's also a zero who's had no negative consequences of eight years in office. Kennedy's speeches when he was running for president Like, didn't Melania or how do you say her? So it would give even more attention to his campaign. There's there's no good candidates. Well, Harvard, maybe. But one of the things well harvard maybe um so so but one of the things

1:47:43 When that's one of the number one qualifications required for the parties to let you progress, then what do you end Yeah. of that stuff, I guess. and whittling. You know, I mean, that's what this is. 70 may be the new 60, but 60 ain't great And there's the same old group of people you've had before. I mean, he's not going and We have the same faces forever.

1:50:03 North Korea nuclear missile thing means, I don't think there's ever been anything weirder than this you watch CNN or Fox, and they have 10,000 analysts talking about politics on there, It seems pretty straightforward. No, I think they're complicit because they have relationships with the people that they're interviewing. Yeah, they thought there's no way this guy's going to win.

1:52:38 I will say this. This state has to, you know, as Ohio goes or as Florida, there's certain places. establishment or organization on the ground, this is where he's going to get Bad timing on that, huh? A hundred percent. haven't broken down and if i'm trump i would look at this and go do i really want this if this is I don't think he's really going to do it.

1:55:47 Well, like you said, there's a lot of intelligent people that support Trump. Maybe you shouldn't listen to me at all. politics. i'm not holding it against fucking. You're a fucking moron. Okay, really nice. Right. try to sort of frame the questions so that he has to either go left or go right on this you know I don't want to. Okay, let's work from there.

1:59:09 beyond where anything we should go back or if they're going this is the new normal to them if you take that out and you try to analyze that, what does that say about how far we've well well what are we operating under then if you have an if you can make an act like that and that with that i mean if you're gonna if you're going to to to create a group and get a lot of money to

2:02:06 I think it's natural, though. my philosophical beliefs here's food for my children or whatever that becomes very difficult you ought to have a guest after me to cleanse your palate follow up question I don't know how to fit Donald Trump and that one segment of his supporters into my worldview because I thought they were a dying breed. economics came into play, all those old feelings came back. And I thought to myself, is that

2:05:06 but I've got ones for car washes. What about the Are we just hearing from these people more? And wind each other up. And they also, they're apologists and they're not honest about the faults of their candidates. Well, maybe he wasn't Joe Rogan. You know, one more time the president makes a wrong move. That doesn't make any sense. What's the number?

2:08:04 Right. How is it possible she does? but because she keeps it a secret what does that I know. Yeah. evidence that came from someone who got it through Did you see? I know. You're not supposed to use that term. For real? Oh, see, you're thinking they should behave differently. That was the political landscape back then. there might be some problems with that yeah um nowadays i mean that's why to me you know people

2:12:45 Maybe he didn't. hey, I'm going to go dick sling. That's right. There was a high incidence of swinger behavior. there's a high likelihood of them dying. I think it was Chris Ryan. I think it was Chris Ryan that was explaining this like Chris Ryan. Yeah, I If you wanted to say, OK, a person who's willing to do risky behavior here. were brothers in war and literally life or death struggle.

2:15:30 It's all part of what kind of keeps them the kind of guys that can be fighter pilots, you know? That's my Dan Carlin get out of-of-jail-free pass. A bunch of wives turned to their ex-fighter pilot husbands and says, honey, that didn't It's not going to do anything. ambassadorships to people who give money fall into the for for example the clint there's no

2:17:42 but it's the reason that people put stuff in a blind trust when they become president so that you don't even At this point, you know, how could they? That's natural. Yes, I moonlight on you as well, sir. Exactly right, I think. That's right. Because it is. Right? That was not true. and help Hillary like that woman she had to step down and was immediately hired by the Clinton

2:21:31 In other words, they're not holier than thou. that's just like what you said about hillary clinton uh um and and the fact that she had said that the fbi Three weeks later, it's gone. where you have this guy Some people are blindly patriotic and they just want their government to just have carte blanche. He's trapped in this embassy. Well, they'll grab him on completely unrelated purposes or unrelated charges.

2:24:34 Huh. journalists understand how to do, what you omit and don't release has as much value as what you do. So if the only leaks you're getting are from the Democrats and the Republicans aren't being leaked, then that's influencing the election. Because you know as well as I do, the other side has crap that is just as shocking and upsetting and corrupt as the Democrats. So let's see that too.

2:25:50 They're both bad. Do you remember that? And everybody was like, look, we're fucking kicking someone's ass. Fix the VA. classify it and they classify it and we we also don't i mean there's there's there's got to be time, basically, that that didn't happen the way that they said it happened, that's time enough to far longer than anyone's going to be alive like i think it was like 2025 and that prompts suspicion

2:29:34 Yeah. redactions will be all over the place oh yeah i'm, I'm sure. You'll have if, and, but, or. they're going to blow up a drone jetliner and blame it on the Cubans all designed if you look Kennedy, which is so ironic that they sealed his death up for 25 years. You remember that Are you a Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone type of guy? Here's the thing.

2:32:45 a lot and you say okay one why the hell didn't you put that in there now i'm mad at you and i Interesting. You know, rifle, Do you know anything about scopes? Not only that, who the fuck was handling it? Kennedy had pissed off a lot of people. And then when he was called on it, his answer was, this wasn't a movie about The Doors in reality. but its release is low-key is the u.s trying. trying to keep it under wraps? Is the U.S.

2:36:00 a hit of any kind, regardless of was the guy who wrote helter skelter he prosecuted manson um he was a guy i liked a lot and and he I don't think Oswald was innocent. And you look at the shots that hit Kennedy, like the one in his neck. Yeah. Why wouldn't they use someone like Oswald? Why wouldn't they use some crazy fuck who emigrates It's certainly possible.

2:39:56 The guy who was my mentor when I first started in news and he was there at the scene. that Manson did. And I looked at it. And it was weird, you could see that the pencil was broken, And John said, well, you know, Charlie, you know, you're going to the. and I put them loaded in various parts He had so many good stories. that was perpetrated on the American public,

2:43:25 When Kennedy brought in these new people from private industry, they were his people. Okay, if you're all in an office and you're working with the president, the president gets shot, show and Dick Gregory brings on the Zapruder film what was it like 10 years later I remember this Whether it's the mafia or whatever. is in on it. So that's the only you're some dude in a movie who wants to get to the bottom of it and you sneak into the building

2:45:54 There's a lot of enemies also in government. And I'm not saying that these things are not possible. It becomes the Kennedy assassination, other than some fuckery was afoot. That's why I've always found it so weird that no one mentions, or very rarely is it mentioned, that Oswald might have been a part of it. And if I recall, Oswald bolt action ancient rifle.

2:48:10 But he's not that kind of. he's shooting down, You start triangulating on a president that, you know, you don't know, as you well know, what those bullets are going to do. So then they had the headshot that killed Kennedy, and then they had this neck thing, the idea that there are going to be unknowables right and and especially ballistics i mean silly bullet. What is that, a t-shirt?

2:50:52 entry point and the exit point. something soft. Look at it there. It just doesn't look like what a bullet looks like when it hits Bullets hit things. maybe something hit something else, maybe. Wait, wait, wait. And you've got this guy, and he's going to disband your entire organization. that are really good at rifles. When you watch his head, his head does go back and to the left, but the spray from the

2:53:54 there's a lot of executions online, and I'm Or it could have hit him in the neck. Yeah. things go the way you think they should and sometimes they don't yeah you know bodies are it's so hard to tell and then here's and tell you know this is what really is that it would that was done by the government then my whole common sense show would be totally different

2:56:45 And wasn't Cheney, I'm sorry to interrupt you, False flag, Iran, Rumsfeld or Cheney. I don't remember that one. See if you can find that. False flag, Iran, Rumsfeld or Cheney. I say that as somebody who clearly knows the CIA's record. so when you talk about that and and there are people around the president but it's what's the source of this you gotta be careful what is it he knows yeah seymour hirsch

2:59:18 it's he's such a weird character because he's almost biblical like when he had that heart Birdseed, wasn't it? Accidentally. Shot some dude in the face. So listen, Dan, We just did three fucking hours You know what you're gonna hear I don't know I appreciate you brother because if it wasn't for that we'll see you Saturday.