Joe Rogan Experience #852 — John Anthony West Transcript

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0:00 Two, one, and we're live. Mr. West. So it was nice to be able to do it that way, but much nicer to see you here in person. It's Rancho Mirage, which is a great name. It means there is no ranch. You say, well, what's the difference? seems to be a factor of virtually every ancient society, It's kind of interesting that people don't teach it, right? It is a very bizarre thing that it's so prominent in ancient cultures and ancient society that they literally

3:57 It calls itself science, which is based supposedly on reason. with Dr. Ron Schock, Robert Schock, rather, it's way before the beginning of dynastic Egypt. and I scraped together a bit of money to bring him over, the extent of the weathering, of the water weathering. And Schock, everybody else sees the Sphinx even the 4,500 years that it's associated with do not conform with anybody's idea of how civilization developed.

7:18 or present-day Christianity, goes in a straight line from primitive cavemen up to ourselves. What this means is that it actually takes 72 years, precisely, for the sun to precess one degree. I mean, you look at the numbers involved, that are around even today in their depraved forms, the objective Anyway, Set is the good king who is beloved by his people.

11:35 Ask one of those what ancient myth is about. And the more, the deeper you get into this, the more miraculous the extent of ancient knowledge becomes. They just ignore it. The base is the one that they don't explain, right? Okay. the proportions and Acropolis is built upon it. And that's in Lebanon, right? Well, there's a lot of new evidence now since you started your work, particularly all that

15:36 There's a lot of evidence for these, I think it's the tektites they're called. anybody knows enough to say what it is other than that that story is in there. In fact, called Hamlet's Mill by Giorgio de Santayana then becomes, quite brilliantly actually, the Lion King in the Disney film, you see you're a cosmologist and schooled in the abstract mathematics that make the thing work. I mean, I can't, I mean, the mathematics is

20:05 and that's the way that stuff would be passed on, And it's my firm conviction that this is why Egypt lasted as a coherent civilization, even in its dynastic form, and they you believe that it's possible that Egypt existed as far back as, I think you said, 34,000 years? which I take to mean fully realized divine human beings. I say genius is rare enough, but standard human genius

23:32 Where do they find Is it? Yes. Right. But what is it about that area that you think developed people at such an incredibly high level? because most of this stuff is so complicated, And again, the names are given and the regnal years. I mean, I regard myself as Cholère's Boswell, making his basically impenetrable work accessible to… Not the word for it.

27:55 And then at the very end of it, this throwaway line, our view of civilization beating down the opposition. is an idea whose time has come. You know that line, right? Everybody knows that line. But the armies of the second strongest thing in the world And at the age of about 19, it was a very uncomfortable place to live where everybody We were talking about this before the podcast, and this is a really fascinating aspect of

32:29 Well, that got me curious. But we know at least 12,000 years ago, We're civil to each other. Well, maybe. off the record. in your Ancient Egypt series, Magical Egypt, which is fantastic, So there's a clear distinction between the older methods of construction and the newer methods. Yes. It doesn't affect the price of eggs. Our goal is to achieve immortality.

37:25 very being. The purpose of sacred art and of sacred music, when it works, is to communicate, which was understood a lot better in those days And this is maybe the definitive book on NDEs. because now, one of the reasons why it's now so common, come back with these tales of this realm This is all garbage. Also a bonsai master and a Christian pastor.

41:06 The only thing you have is that you can't determine the timeline. And they gave him something like 10 months to 12 months to live. So he drafted me in to put the words in right order. are unprepared for what they've experienced and all of them come back transformed. And of course, So these are guys who've never fried a spiritual egg. so you've done DMT? Yes. And I've done, and I've done, not mescaline, but the other one,

43:54 Okay, did you do a lot of it? I didn't get in there then. I didn't get in there then. That experience that people are having, a near-death experience, is mirrored by the giving people dmt in a clinical setting and uh at the university of new Mexico. And what they found was these people achieve this incredible state of with people with psilocybin, And the way Strassman did it is much more intense

45:25 which take them just very deep for more than a half an hour. And they all have very similar And they might be right, but it also might be some sort of a chemical gateway that your and this is something that I've been If you just think you're experiencing God and divine greatness because you're creating it in your mind versus actually experiencing God and divine greatness, isn't the experience the exact same thing? And is our mind locked into the idea of a physical thing like this laptop?

47:11 We can't do that with mystical experiences. They had deep understanding and knowledge. It does sometimes, yes. But the hallucination, this is another scam by the so-called rationalists, What it is actually is the rationalization of their own inner emptiness. distorts their reality. Alcohol is a perfect example of that, right? It's a great drug for That is just a hypothesis.

51:35 And you absolutely do not talk about sex to eunuchs. academics for years. You sound like a bitter man, John Anthony West. No, I'm not bitter. I'm not and then we go to this other place that people are seeing in these near-death experiences, that are out there in this world? I mean, he's in the special waterboarding division. And if you don't do it, you don't, unless you go through an NDE,

54:52 No, chances are you don't make it in one lifetime. reap the benefit of that on an internal level that the quackademics can't measure and don't That, like, whatever I read, I do not remember what I read, but what I read about the earliest depictions of the pharaohs that was that they lived an extraordinary length of time similar to, like, Noah. What 72 virgins means, it's interesting because it's 72 again. What it means

57:26 accounts, if you want to believe the Tibetans, and I tend to, I don't see why they should lie, It's a very delicate and yet profound subject. And if you go to a good Zen master, I still don't understand what you mean about achieving immortality. Let's say it's an eternal trip, and the ancients talk about that. You have these moments that with the body, you come back because you get out of the trip. Let's say it's an eternal trip. And the ancients talk about that all the time, even in their mythology, which is always taken as fanciful. Let's say in the

1:00:15 It's as good as any other explanation that they're simply balls of gas. We are indeed. Well, you've answered your own question, as it were. and come back transformed going to play center field for the Mets or any other team. Why were they so beyond what we think of when we think of even the possibility of a human Okay. and that's informational of sorts.

1:04:20 is doing in its entirety. It's, you know, simplest ideas and I play a big role in it but it's really chance's baby. But at the visit to Egypt, at the end of a couple And under the, And everybody, I mean, yes, in Europe, So anything that you do, and boy, you're doing martial arts. without maybe even thinking The Sufi is in life but not of it. So when we're talking,

1:08:37 The Hindus do it in a rather more sophisticated fashion. The yugas, that's right. Peter Robinson And you have to have the time, you have to it's just much easier. it is much easier for people to I mean, it's almost like what they created was undeniable. I mean, I've only seen it in photographs, Right. But they didn't have those. Actually, from Tibet, there's actually a funny little book.

1:12:53 Joshua Retreat Center, He describes certain of the things he has seen them do. and all the rest of it. But no, somehow, and I used to joke and say, No, they don't light up tunnels, but they can do physical things that are … just haven't discovered yet. We don't know what they did or how they did it. That's one thing. And again, what you just said is really important.

1:16:20 you should get a huge audience. Just prepare a... Interesting. We're worried about Islamic terrorism more than anything. It's not even a statistic. Oh, great hotels. videos or things along those lines, what's shocking to me is how, and this is going to Well, as I said, because it was in a kind of a blessed one. But it was like that. So how did it all go wrong?

1:20:37 with Coptic Christianity arising. in order to let gladiators kill each other. And they built good roads. But Rome was a three-ring bureaucracy, actually. From every spiritual, psychological point of view, Sure. Montezuma was a piece of shit. But they seemed like bad people, too. There's a certain presence that is of our great-great-grandfathers. But nevertheless, there's a sense of...

1:24:03 They look back to the past, We run out of Indians. Murder the Muslims. Yeah, let's go to the Arab nations. And I think it's because of the Internet. but actual progress is not really being made. It's one thing, this is why intellectual spiritual, is not good enough. You've got to go. At the same time, there's never been that much How much does ancient aliens frustrate you?

1:26:46 When they have all these experts, everything it is. Yeah. No, look, Our Mystery of the Sphinx, which at that time, one of the most watched TV documentaries of all time. Wait, I brought it. I've almost memorized it. And, well, that's the big crunch. Yeah. One of those old dudes. They did it all without any modern equipment. That's a 4,000-year-old obelisk.

1:29:27 Wait. And it was interesting because they were brought over in the 19th century, the raft or boat or whatever, which is a big job, transported across the ground. They did it with water somehow or another. the deeper you look, the more mysterious it becomes, Resonating chambers? It has a simple gabled roof, and that protects it from anything that it needs.

1:32:11 But they're responsible for the resonance conversation the way we're having it now. if you go all the way down the ground gallery, And if you set up a chant in the King's Chamber, thing takes over but reconnaissance I went down to the pit. Like your knowledge of Egypt is pretty rare in this day and age. but who were familiar As it just so happens, I'm the only one who does trips.

1:37:41 And then, I mean, all of that stuff relates to the scientific, the geological From Revelation, who are actually an interesting study in its own right. But I invented the five cowboys of Apocalypse 2.0. Well, yeah. Capitalism is really based upon the philosophy, everything for me, nothing for you. is based upon everything for us nothing for them the bumper sticker says god bless america

1:40:53 look at all the others. At the same time, this is fun and it's not necessarily untrue. elitist as it actually looks now. Because in those days, they were the only ones who were I've never designed a bridge. creativity it deprives them technology does how so it the only people who are creative in technology So crafts, people who create things. Bethlehem Steel Center was.

1:44:37 out of their own creativity. Well, hydrogen bomb, why not? We don't invent it, And the rest of it is, For the most part, it's an absolute waste of time. it can play a kind of a transformational role. But you can't laugh at what's right. Not easily, but you can laugh. good sex or good food. You can make fun of attitudes toward good sex or good food. But

1:47:50 Chinese. Is that entertainment? Stimulant? Start right at the beginning. Well, it's bringing the Sphinx back to supposedly what it was originally. no no he's in trouble never been able he well and was in trouble, but they couldn't pin it on him. He's not head of the department. He's a wonderful guy. Right, all this erosion to it right all this erosion to it and then

1:51:24 happens pretty quickly. Wind and sand, right? Khafra. because you can prove that. That's the stela of Thutmose that talks about how in a dream it's covered with sand. Now, the face of the Sphinx, this is a really controversial thing, right? that this was really an African face, but what they meant is that it's a sub-Sahara They redid the headdress in its entirety.

1:55:10 Wasn't there some speculation that initially it was an actual lion's face and that the lion's face was cut down to create this pharaoh's face? The guy who knows about, you know, physiognomy. The bad news is that there wasn't Atlantis. don't know when so it's entirely possible that it used to be a lion and then some entirely came So probably, again, this is speculation,

1:58:26 It's amazing, though, really? somebody turns over a spade And I have a whole film script, actually. But this isn't that kind of limestone. So more more stuff when when the opposition finally caves in and says they never say they're wrong, but and says, well, this deserves further study. Yes. I know, but I mean, just if people could see what it used to look like.

2:01:22 out of those stones. You'd have to cut the edge Now has it been firmly established In fact, one of them said there's a rumor That would be a good study. And there's more long story, but we're already going over here and I won't go into okay here's this water weathering that when shot took one look How old do you think it is, if you had to guess? However, that said, it wouldn't surprise me if we were older still.

2:04:28 This is where actually we were just in Egypt when I climbed up and down the pyramid myself the potential foothold for getting the next stage So let's bring it back. Now, that's more evidence of water erosion, correct? That's the back end of the Sphinx. and those are the Mason's marks still as original, you know, 2,600, Yes. This is the corner of Khafre Pyramid, and you see the two very different styles of architecture.

2:08:34 Anyway, we've got a lot of stuff to cover here. It goes down to there, and then it goes. So those blocks are about between six and eight feet thick. And if you go poking back into it, you see the joints between them are pretty rough. which are much smaller and Okay, that's the interior of the Red Pyramid, It's not like an IKEA kitchen incorporated into the Victorian house.

2:10:43 and then above it you see, like, really smooth. Yeah, yeah, much, oh,. Then above it, you see really smooth. Whereas the bottom has been out in the weather for a long time. and they have to stop construction because they find some ancient pyramid or something along those lines. And even though he's not an Egyptologist, it's being academically published, but it's going into all sorts of things having to do with this strange structure, which is one of the most resonating, powerful places in all of Egypt.

2:13:00 It would have had a roof over it and so on at some point or another. Scuba divers. And Jacques and I came to the conclusion after a week of diving there So this is what this, that's me, you can tell. Yeah, well. This is in France, right? And who knows what was going on is not as out of the question But it was crazy here. So now they've, unfortunately, you can no longer see it the way that Jacques and I saw it six, seven years ago.

2:17:17 And they've been working on it ever since. Wow. on these things that aren't even local? It's a puma, some sort of a puma. there was no steel that's right so how did they do that exactly well aren't there there's a tiny little hole in that. And again, we're talking about a time where there was no steel. That's right. This is a bracelet found recently in Turkey.

2:19:57 Yeah. Now, what would be the effect of a coronal mass ejection? It would fry the satellites and there would be a lot of issues. It would freeze the grid. It would fry the grid. But other people are off the grid, you know, doing. but when the world is overpopulated And that's in Italy, right? stone circle in Egypt, the Nob Now that's a common thread in ancient architecture, which is really fascinating, is the alignment with celestial bodies.

2:23:30 We don't know. And this gets into complications of the cosmology of it. I don't think they think they come from Sirius. has their cosmology, which they know about, they can transmit it, is in fact consistent with the latest wrinkles And they're written very well. it and we think that this is a hand-me-down from the ancient civilization that we're busy trying to

2:26:51 Well, that's from, again, that's from the physics lab, dogan art has has that figure in it keep going no down down i think let's say Science of the Dogon. There's so much craziness going on in there. all of humanity spoke in one tongue. That's not anything that you can base, you know, you can't be sure of it, but suddenly that strange line does have some corroboration.

2:30:07 And then around 3000 BC, 4000 BC, all of a sudden, all over the place, very sophisticated civilizations arise. Especially Sumer, when they go over Beautiful. and alien DNA. Horrible stuff. and the radiating sort of lines outside of it. drew on it as an I think it was that one right there. Like you were talking about myths. See right there? And often they're just stars.

2:34:16 you can talk about it But just amazing that you're talking about such a long, long time ago, So there's more than one version of it? Their attempt at trying to show and convey what they knew about the world or what their thoughts were about the world. or very similar, but the other one, do seven not as circles like that but as as as dots it's you know it has it has a numerical

2:36:58 pretty mind-boggling. Yeah, and They knew something. stuff. Gobekli Tepe is a big made, and that it's very, randall carlson who's an expert on asteroidal impacts has sort of impacted his work as well But that's one of shock slides, I think. this is dated to 5,000, 6,000 That was one of the theories about whatever it is outside of the Kuiper Belt, Yeah, poor Pluto.

2:40:46 And some interesting stuff going on at CPAC. They don't know exactly how big it is, but they think it's far larger than the Earth, This is like, they think it's larger than Earth. I think so, yeah. Maybe, yeah. Is that it? I didn't see that one. And if it's one of their own, it's respected until somebody comes along and shows that they're wrong. But they're never quacks.

2:43:26 You know, I think it was Dennis. And what I do or what we do, I mean, those of us who are looking into this, we take that factual material and Schwallerize it. Okay. was his suggestion that, hey, maybe these stone things, quite a few of them, you know, X number of thousand years Well, it's a kind of a drill that they put in there with balls of some kind of hard stone.

2:46:19 But isn't that like sort of, doesn't it balance out with the insanity of building a pyramid in the first place? even though there's no evidence whatsoever that they were tombs. if they're some who have practiced some meditation. It's really, it's something. I mean, you come experienced for yourself the power of these places, then explanations of that sort, even

2:49:03 Let's go, because we've got a lot of stuff and I don't. Pretty incredible stuff. Let's go, because we've got a lot of stuff, and I don't want to take it. See, A, that is a cavern or a chamber or of some sort. It knows there's a void. And there's a, just behind there, one of those stones, the back one, there's a way. It's a very rough cut chamber. And there's just behind it one of those stones.

2:50:27 we're looking at with a when you see all those circles around it and the the rough shape of it One, they don't want to be wrong. But they don't want to be wrong about this. which, I don't know, maybe we'll waterboard them. into that void or chamber and see if it is indeed a void or chamber and if there's something But most of them, I don't think that kind of photography goes deep enough for us to establish the lost civilization.

2:53:50 and he'll be at CPAC. And Shock will be at the CPAC, this particular CPAC. that brings on the younger Northern Lights, what else we got? Easter Island, which shows as letters, presumably, those kinds of weird humanoid figures. Is it? There was a whole bunch of other stuff that I wanted on. Well, some stuff I wanted to whisk through. of the Five Cowboys, it's a really graphic.

2:56:54 Do you feel like people are slowly but surely starting to come around at the concepts of these ancient civilizations being not the primitive people that we've been told, but maybe perhaps really complex. actually care or understand it. is on there, but it's the guy who does the reproduction of it that negotiated with him. So he hasn't even brought it up to Netflix?

2:59:42 I mean, it is and it's not. Oh, he probably emailed the wrong address. I don't have any idea what kind of deals they cut in terms of documentaries, I mean, I'm not much into, even dope, It's really the heroic production. It's I really think it's one of the great works. I do Nobody's going to watch all that. But I'm not in any position to really help with it because I'm so swamped with my own stuff.

3:02:48 No, no, it's not. And I think that if you could get it on Netflix, and I could tweet it and let the world know and try to get people to spread the And it's just sitting there waiting to get done, and Netflix would be the perfect venue It was good back when there was no other ideas. commercials, too. It is. Appreciate you coming on here. Thank you. Much appreciated.

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