Joe Rogan Experience #866 — Christine Hassler Transcript

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0:00 um Christine we're live all right how you doing we talked a lot before this podcast we even said So that's your job, Joe. Yeah, I'll show you. Yeah, since I didn't fit in, I didn't have a lot of friends and That's when you started wanting to prove yourself? strategies to feel worthy, to feel validated, to feel like I mattered. And so I just became like straight A student, addicted to achieving, went out to college. I grew up in Texas, went to Northwestern,

2:42 like really early and started working for the head of It was a crazy show to work on. in, maybe get deals for them. And that quickly transitioned to moving to another company where like making a lot of money, going to the Oscars and Golden Globes, private jets, hanging out with celebrities. So about two years I did this job. But that's not the that doesn't But that doesn't summarize all depression.

5:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah. All I wanted to do was quit. Really pissed me off at the time. I just felt confused and lost. and who have decided they're going to come here And if you audition, you're going to audition with hundreds of other people that are all trying to get the same job. It really is. And it's so often not based on talent. almost more about being social than it is about anything else.

9:19 these deals. Exactly. And that's what was so frustrating for me is I'd have these really to put you on medication? particular kid? They wanted me. My parents were like, go to a different school, honey. And so it was just like, did you move to a different school or was it just one particular kid? I was stubborn and I wanted to stay. I might had a comfort zone in where I was,

11:13 Nothing's ever gone wrong with you. Just wait. It's coming. or who is, i don't you know and i think it's different with the way girls do it and the way boys do it. How do girls do it? Girls, it's, it's a little more they'll beat you up they'll put you in lockers they'll do that that kind away, where I think boys are just more aggressive. They'll beat you up.

13:01 Where we feel less than, where we feel insecure, I think you see a lot of people support him and sort of like cower to him. But it was really bizarre to watch her tone down. It was very orchestrated. the person who's going to go after you. going. I gotta sue somebody. It's just crazy. But I think that that, that is one of the reasons why A lot of leaders are the most vicious, mean, nasty, terrifying people.

16:09 To feel the wrath. When I talk to people who support him, I'm like, but do you understand? If there is, I haven't heard of him. that enough people support him that we'll have four years No one wants the job. Hashtag crooked Hillary. States as. We think of the United States rock bottom you need to go through these these hard times to have something better emerge. But maybe that's just wishful thinking.

19:37 But now the Democratic National Committee was fucking working to make sure that Bernie Sanders wasn't the guy. But the access to information was so minuscule back then. about how they really feel about each other and all What the structure of the government that looms over us is really all about why are certain things legal why are certain things illegal why are certain loopholes in place how did they get in place who benefits from them what is a charity and if it is a charity how come you get paid so much like how come you get paid $250,000 to speak? And then all this money goes to your charity, but that $250,000 goes to you.

21:50 Yeah. How can I shift this in some way? Yeah. It's also people who are like super psyched to get behind their candidate, their team. I got to tell you, like there's a lot of grossness on both What's a white knight? You know, hashtag. The strategy is to position themselves as the super progressive. a job and you are up against a person of color, do period, not period, take that job.

23:32 Well, you don't have to get it. We went on a tangent But that, you know. I really believe this. and they first had a camera, No one would have ever thought that in two lifespans, which is essentially what it is from then to now, you would be able to send video to Australia instantaneously from something that slips into your pocket. And I was like, how hilarious is that?

25:33 I totally think you're right. That's the fuck. debates because I didn't tune into it until the last like hour and he was saying a bunch of crazy Life coaching. I will totally own that. But you understand life coaching. Yes. We're going to come up with a better name a better name for life And then I was engaged and thought, oh, I'm going to be a wife.

28:02 I really didn't know what to do. And I had honestly a moment on my bathroom kind of hope and started to make me realize I needed help. And like I, the way I was doing my You should be. you know, you had to figure it out. You had to find it. And so that's how it just started. Like And can I talk to you more? and people who don't, is ownership, differentiator between staying where you are and kind of regressing as you get older and just repeating your familiar patterns and rinse and repeat life

31:59 People want to dismiss that stuff. Like, Oh, I don't need that. Oh, that's nothing. But I feel like one of the best things about being a part of a community or being a part of a culture is that you get to look at all of the things that people have done that have benefited them and all of the positive choices that someone has made. Yeah. scared of uncertainty that i don't want to make

34:01 motivational speaker is that there's not really like, you don't have to get a PhD to do it. You don't have to, you know, you don't have to like prove I'm a man, first of all. many times before like your brain stops working right and there's that relationship breakups for And then you also, we live in an amazing time where you can see, you know, not that you

36:14 And we don't. You know, like probably shouldn't be happy all the time. That was my biggest thing is I stopped asking, why is this happening to me? And that's where things like life coaching and personal development come in handy is because we can go and get those tools instead of using our old coping mechanisms by like being strong or overing, overworking, over drinking, over, you know, jumping into a relationship, like whatever it may be.

38:19 about what I do is first of all, I never, I never thought I could be happy. Like I really didn't. transformation industry and all that, like you said, there's a lot of what you call them, hoke, I don't even know who that is. I don't know why I came up. stuff when you were 10 years old like ink block tests and ink block tests yeah you know what do I had just an intense inner critic in my head.

41:26 Seven and a half years ago. Like especially after 20 years. like me getting off my medicine and not feeling depressed was not being suppressed. What about So they kind of reconnect maybe earlier life experiences where they didn't feel protected or they felt unsafe or they felt abused or whatever that is. I mean, like, no, no, not at all. I'm just listening. He's looking at me like, who is this girl? So when people have that space to unleash that and to let the energy move through them,

44:26 You know, like it's a natural response. up and out in a healthy way, then I think that's what creates They just scream? it's not that. I do. I don't even know. Enter Sandman? Okay. Yeah. after it like they're very there's a lot of processes I put them through to get them to this That's what the cop said to me. and you have a deeper understanding of yourself.

48:32 And it's not necessarily. And trying to manage it through their mind or through doing things or through whatever else versus actually like being willing to look at those parts of ourself. Now, from the time that you decided to get off of the antidepressants, How did you find her? I was dating a guy who was an addict and complaining about him to a girlfriend at lunch for like the 80th time.

50:00 Yeah, it was super great. I'm talking about this for like the 80th time. everything. And I sit down and I sit across from her and She could see me. I got off gluten because a lot of times gluten can impact brain chemistry. I stopped drinking. stop because that can really mess with your brain chemistry. Find somebody who knows something about this and can put you on a plan,

53:34 when I would go to one of these doctors or therapists, I mean, they'd see that I was on medication since I was 10. And they kind of relate to me in that way, like as a depressed person. whatever that you're so inundated with people and their fucking problems that after a while That can be very draining. Two years? How long was it before you were actually stopping taking it?

56:02 you know, it affected a lot. So did you take like one pill and then cut it down to three quarters of a pill and then to half a pill? No, like, like, like it was like out of me. master's degree in spiritual psychology. What is spiritual psychology? I find this school and I didn't really know anything about it. I'm like, this is great. And the spiritual part didn't have

58:36 And in that, I really learned how to change my belief systems, heal stuff from my past, connect to a part of me. Because we all and who we are and how we get love and how we get validation and how we get acceptance and how life works and who we are and our identity. And by believing that story, it was creating results in my life that aligned with that.

1:00:39 before but she was so nice she's friends with my friend ke Kelly. Kelly Kirsten. You know Kelly Kirsten? It's not just positive thinking. Okay, good luck. I had my dream wife. and I go, how's everything? And I just don't understand it. I don't understand it. I believe that I was so sure. but I'll never forget it because the two different people the the girl who was like kind of crazy like oh

1:04:37 your life. I mean, if it was as easy as putting pictures up on our wall, everybody would have, Yeah. You got a God damn. Yeah. I'm not like, oh, I just did this and then I did this and then I did this. I mean, again, not an MD, so not my territory. Not able to calm down. I mean supplements. I take AlphaBrain, like all that stuff. but i don't relate to it as I'm depressed.

1:07:42 oh, I don't know what to tell you. Right. Like, it really does. for Meaning. Have you ever read that book? No. By Viktor Frankl. I've heard of it. Yeah. He was I need to get my shit together. Because when they come, they're like, oh, I'm fucked up or I need help. They're relating to themselves as if Yeah, move away from it or roll with it. We fight it. And so it's like, can we just get to acceptance of like where you are, who you are and what's happening right now?

1:11:29 that they can make change? that was a stretch in some way. a lot of it is taking I don't know if I answered your question. No, that does make sense. I've often said that very difficult tasks, like anything that's difficult that you do, And you start to believe in yourself and you start to believe, oh, wow, like I can do this. Do you get mostly dudes or girls?

1:14:07 Well, I know. just to grow oh my god that's amazing let's get there to some people It's vitamin B1. It was my salvation. I was so happy. and this very fine mist comes out of this heating element you and then you're hit with a cloud of mosquitoes. Yeah, they're really light. Your skin is an organ. It's terrible. I'm sure there's It's a plug. you stink.

1:17:55 People. But I would think that like, like there's probably like weird smells that you're not Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was a thing. They were Chris Ryan was saying that women can smell a man's clothes like you could smell literally smell their clothes and Yeah, because I think when you're on the pill, You know, like that, and that is probably a good thing. And that people that are on the pill might be making like

1:20:56 this person and then you find out like years later that that person's fucking crazy or this or that and their choice of a mate. I know. but a lot of women never get off it. Here's stuff like that. Smells, uh, retreats. You don't take dudes. conversation we need. A lot of women, including myself, have like beef with other women, you know, one person to be your everything and you're not you don't have a tribe and you don't have a community you don't have friends of the opposite sex and the same sex that are fulfilling kind of

1:24:18 And they think that your peers and the friends you choose have a bigger impact than anything that psychologists underestimate the power of genetics, But we'd have to read it. But if you do that, I think belonging is a huge, huge, huge thing. friendships like you're not helping them either no you in a matter of fact sometimes when someone that like made him make the decision that he makes. So I think in any of those situations,

1:27:45 Did they trick you? They are because you're just like why but a lot of times it's because They're like, I deserve a lot more than I'm getting. Like, is your way working? Yeah. Just one. just want to go somewhere and want someone to listen to them talk right right they'll go three means you're physically different. Like, oh, you know. like kind of have a protective armor and are guarded

1:32:47 pitiful me and the feeling sorry for and on all of those kinds of things. I think there's beautiful And so you're kind of dealing with the same dynamic that you were dealing with when you were in school. I know. And the guy's like, okay, okay, okay. like well a lot of men feel emasculated by society in general, just by the roles that they play in the office and just the physical act of going through life, this civilized world.

1:35:48 Like, this is just a person. We're going to go home to the wife. And they also do it out of this bizarre instinct because they can. I don't fight. can't help it i just fucking yell at him and he doesn't do anything he just takes it and she's I'm like, That's just their world. at him for she's like anything everything she goes i just i just fucking i want him to tell

1:38:50 out of him, honestly, to probably see if he cared. would have left a lot earlier there was something she wanted like we don't keep doing it over and It was also she was trying to do the acting thing. um i got the fuck out of there but this dude But this dude got in there and he caught the second wave of angst. You don't really want to do it, but you get caught up in it, whether it's being a lawyer or being a doctor or being something that has a prestigious title where you feel like there's something great.

1:41:21 Not that they're crazy, but some of them are probably crazy. I mean, if I could sing, if I had any kind of music ability, I think it'd be awesome to be a rock star, just to have that rush. Because I would think that the thing about careers is not only is it eight hours of your know, human resources demand certain things of you. But like a lot of times people are left wondering, who the fuck am I?

1:43:44 ourselves in these roles and how like a lot of times our adult life becomes sort of just this like checklist. Some people really can be happy in corporate America. they can change it. Yeah. There's no other options. They don't know what else to do, I think you have to start small. alive again because anybody has access to that. And not everybody's meant to be an entrepreneur either and do their own thing.

1:46:35 of hours that men work and their ambition to try to climb up the corporate ladder. I mean, I do a lot of things, but it's pretty loose. They have nothing. Like whatever it is about. But I would take actual tests at Boston university, which was like a, a really good school. And I was looking at all these people And I whatever malfunction of my brain, I figured out a way to make it work for me.

1:49:34 I'm not disciplined at all. I have a real problem. I'm going to practice 12 hours a day for the rest of my life. genetic thing. It's like watching a little female me in a lot of ways you know like she read all eight harry potter books Like no one's here to help you. The comedy store's here. things that I did that led to me being successful at things but almost it's like the function of a mental issue. Like a big, a lot of it is a function of learning how to manage a brain that doesn't work like everybody else's brain.

1:53:16 So I think in some ways I've achieved some sort of a victory over my whatever mental issues that I have. I can't do that. doing the commentary for the UFC, This is my fucking thing. I'm just going to be trapped doing this thing,, I would want to quit. I'd be like, I don't want to do this anymore. This is my fucking thing. Managing my brain, a lot of it requires intense exercise.

1:54:45 I can't chill unless I earn it. And we think that because we're acting this way, Really? That guy wasn't funny. I want to know, like, you're another organism. Yeah. and this is like such a stretch I think it's really if that's where you live it's or the base of the Himalayas, it's way easier to climb that thing. You know, it's still I was just in my own head and I was super insecure and I just could barely get through

1:58:59 Yes. And then also this crazy brain of mine, if I could point it to something, And I felt like it gave me this edge. personal development stuff that would give me an edge, personal development stuff that would give me an edge. I had won a bunch of different tournaments the whole class as something that I was really good at And then they would listen.

2:01:45 This is how you do it. where I knew that there was like a light is feeling like we've somewhat mastered something, And that's where I think the obsession actually served you in a lot of ways. Yeah. fucking stupid thin socks. Draining. And it doesn't serve most people. Yeah, 7%. 100% of kids are creative. But somewhere along the line, we're stuffed into this structure that doesn't serve us.

2:05:34 these systems that we've built are so antiquated and so outdated and the way kids are like confined in this classroom older and we get obsessed with other people thinking is it good enough and is this safe and This is a new thing and it doesn't serve us. And maybe with technological innovation and robots and automation and all the different It seems like you do.

2:08:00 And they're demanding a different kind of workplace. And they're demanding different things from work and making different choices already. But most of the time on Saturday and Sunday, if you have an office job, you have some shit around and you're making numbers how much how much are you extracting while you're moving stuff around it's the like I had this

2:10:11 She's like, well, these are entry level jobs and this and that. But you're requiring the person who's at the lowest rung of the food chain to take the hit, And I wonder what's going to happen with automation and with, you know, they're talking about like a tremendous amount of jobs that are being done right now by people that are going to be done by robots.

2:11:36 It's really not. I agree. I always say that I think regret is far worse than risk. Every two years, I throw away my act and I write a new one. If I keep doing it, I keep focusing on it. That's when you make things happen. Yeah. And they're like, God damn it. You're really into it. That's the other thing. Maybe you should be a clarity advisor. Yeah.

2:14:45 A clarity advisor. It's a step. did I work out? Did I write? Did I do this? Did I do that? Take care of that stuff. Write all that Everybody does. And saying they don't have time. and being like, did you do it? and maybe the first thing you're going to do doesn't. But those little steps, they start to make you feel better too. Because you start to And also there's a thing that people have to be aware of

2:17:24 And then somewhere along the line, that old pattern calls to them. You never get back on track. and then if they haven't found another way to cope with life when things get hard or Covered with bacteria. is my last book. I know. So N-O-E folks on Twitter. and if you want to listen to me You coach people live on the air? Trolled. It was a lot of fun.