Joe Rogan Experience #869 — Dave Rubin Transcript

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0:00 And we're live. Dave Rubin, what a time to be alive. Powerful Joe Rogan I have notes But if it was that much acid, think about what it would do to you. I've done it three times. brain like i felt that there was no end to it. that can break down the Empire State Yeah. We did our last podcast with full disclosure. Yeah. Exactly. I'm very excited. purchase you got a real couch i got a real couch that purchase. You got a real couch? I got a real couch.

3:58 If you just charge $10 more and put it together, I don't even mind putting it together. Screwdriver and shit. And it's like, oh, no. Because I know a lot of friends who just can't smoke pot. want to think anymore if i'm smoking i don't smoke pot to think or to write or anything i smoke pot Purely. Obviously, if you're doing acid, most likely you're not going to kill somebody else.

6:25 Remember that Bill Hicks bit? Don't we need a Hicks? It's on his business card, I think. He would be being attacked by all sides but dare I say he'd be attacked more by the left these days That's the point. Life goes on. he just wanted to shock the shit out of people that was half of it was like he was tired of all But we need that idea of people just saying shit and letting it upset people and other people are gonna laugh at it we so desperately need it now because it has led the the inability to do that these days has led to everything

9:48 I didn't check the internet this morning. And I don't think anybody's ever been hit with that yet. look at somebody and you think they're a man and you say dude that's not evil right you know what Like they assume gender pronouns. It's so deranged. Because when you remove someone on Twitter for just a harmless joke that's very similar to the jokes that Leslie Jones makes about her own self, she's got a goddamn commercial

12:06 about her being unattractive. fill in the blank, And the guy would be like, That Milo had unleashed his followers on her. There are instances people had screen captured things where she had gotten into fights with Not only does she have a position of power, but she think how much by that fight happening, she got more powerful. But when the whole thing was going down, I went to tweet at her to say, come on my show.

14:19 But the point is, I have nothing against her in any way. the face to men and that was his whole commentary on it was very eloquently written maybe a little Yeah, ironically though all these people on the left that were thrilled or had no problem with Milo being banned Right. No, well, I would write I think the market should dictate whether or not someone does

17:04 They're extending, expanding control. Let the market decide sure you want to you want to use your free speech Of course, if you don't like Joe's show, you don't like Ruben's show, you don't watch. And that's why I talk about the left all the time. created this thing. I mean, I think there was a thing there was a tipping point and for me and they're seeing that kind of shit they're like what the fuck is this we need to make america

19:30 So ESPN is giving their athlete of the year to Caitlyn Jenner. Well, the ratings are hugely down in the NFL this year. and a lot of people are linking that i don't know it doing race relations or you're doing but i understand it's also, they look at it as a platform for our culture, and that's what Kaepernick did. He said, look, I have this platform. And in some ways, I think what he did kind of worked, because a lot of kids in high school now are doing that. They're taking knees when they do the national anthem it's it's strange but it's also like the black

21:10 These guys, if Barkley and all them want to, in the two or three weeks that the NBA season's been gone, and Ernie Johnson's the token white guy in the equation. so much is riding on each event yeah so I'm not begrudging them any of the legitimate things that Right. The new world we live in is anyone can broadcast. post about AIDS on Twitter. I'm going to Africa. Hope I don't get AIDS. LOL. Just kidding. I'm

23:48 on a plane, her life is destroyed. She has to leave her job, blah, blah, blah. She's publicly So I really tried to make a conscious decision to just be like, you know, and I do that now It is, that's the first pop. Although I did read an incredible piece on Gawker from May, I hate to say this, about Donald Trump's hair, where they were investigating whether or not Donald Trump's hair is a very expensive weave.

25:51 well i've had challenged or hair transplants i went oh right you did yeah years ago big smile helped it definitely gave me like thicker hair, but it was too, If I, it looks wonderful. Could you feel it at times? Maybe your hair is completely connected to your emotions. Yeah, exactly. fantasy. It's not in there. He's ridiculous in a million different ways.

28:37 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she decided that she didn't like her nose She looks great now. Yeah. There's like weird things that people do to their body and weird appearances that people choose to you're walking around, your friends walking around and she thinks that this little, you know, to do it every day that that's what trying to get better is all about and we fail at it constantly

31:51 Because they're just fucking each other in the street like mad dogs? Dude, 24 Hour Fitness in West Hollywood is the one I always talk about. And they would have to mop it down. The whether you want to get married not as irrelevant whether it's a guy or a girl or whatever that that you can start maturing into some other thing with. but if those people are on antidepressants and cocaine,

33:58 You know, they all just, the shirts are too tight. Like news radio wasn't really going well in terms of like we're trying to find its legs in the early days I don't want them to replace me. in a big homo stew. Let's Get Physical Just gayer than the day is long. enjoying it because I was like, this is actually log cabin or working out? or any of this stuff it's like enough already it's there it exists like people i support i should say one thing i support you doing whatever the fuck you want to

37:30 you're young because when you're 22 you look at 80 like god that's so far away but when you're 50 and it's like now it's like this is real this is really real you're in it and but i think the key And then anxiety and nonsense and all this stupidity. isn't it we have no freaking clue just I'd like to do with them come on dude Not the current backlash against Trump, but when it's going to come from other people.

40:00 And those sort of traits, like narcissistic traits, are oftentimes very prevalent in people that are successful in business. You know, he does that. I mean, it's funny. in the middle of the night. I think we could actually play this on YouTube. there's something off here there's something incorrect about his thinking well that's you're hitting a lot of

42:27 And I don't necessarily disagree with it. He tweets again, So I start to think to myself like, oh, I think this guy is trying to let people know I'm a Jew. Many people don't know this, but Donald Trump's real name is fuckface von clown stick then tweeted, perhaps the next president of the greatest country in the world at 1.30 in the morning Joe, I'm going to do something

47:29 That's all completely, utterly insane. And we don't know the taxes and all that stuff. Sure. or anti-gay or anti-American, binders of women, right? Sure. Right. But like they're literally just waiting for him to tweet so that they can write the article about the outrage that the tweet caused. playing the game, really. Well, he's all the policies and whether he actually has a personality disorder and all that but in terms of

51:02 yeah but i wish i did now because i wanted love to have some insight. I'd love to be around that guy and pick his I think there's something about he's very concerned with perception, Hillary Clinton is a very, very dishonest person. who's honest. And look, even Barack Obama's turned out through these WikiLeaks releases But I knew what was going on in Syria, but I didn't know the name of the city that was getting bombed.

53:22 He was going on Larry King when I was over at Orrin. Because whether you like him or not, we desperately need another voice. the country, a major disservice by being so ill-prepared for this. stammers a lot and he speaks in a funny way and his body language is kind of you know sly you know cake yeah really yeah so so he isn't even a great but i even said this in my video i said look the

55:33 But this was, they missed a huge opportunity. I mean, I say that with no ill will. We will be wrong But think about how corrupt the DNC is. Same day she starts working give you any, you know, remotely honest answer on anything. It's like what Hillary Clinton is, is a hustler. for the Clinton campaign. That's like how she's they're pitching softball interviews.

58:52 Now it's all bubbling at once. And you know, it all comes down to tomorrow. And he would ask the most ridiculous questions that you would never think that a reporter would ask. that this fucking guy was i mean this was how they got Trump's been hitting that over the head the trolling, understand the leading that he does and then comes in after all that.

1:02:14 And he's also independent in terms of his connections and his obligations to them. One of the things about him being a narcissist and one of the things about him being a guy who probably doesn't have a whole lot of friends I mean in the first debate the first Republican debate. What was the he said it within the first 10 minutes? everyone is now seeing it there was the idea of it but now because of the internet we're seeing all

1:04:04 I would go hard. I would show up drunk and high. And I'd go like, it a little not me, dude. I hope I hope now you go hard I think in a lot of ways let's forget about what he's done and the drones and the attacks Because it's bullshit. Yeah. Stuff that you should have learned in seventh grade social studies. And then the judicial branch, the courts actually make sure that they're legal and there's separation of powers and a balance so that they can, you know, checks and balances.

1:06:09 So maybe you should have mentioned that. So you know that's that. And for the people that are really ready to jump off the bridge tomorrow, if their guy loses. That's the thing with Trump. Right. He's an old school pussy grabber. O-S-P-G. He doesn't care about abortion. At the convention I mean When it became convenient Even Obama. You know, you're just saying Mo-Bama.

1:08:33 100%. All the two years of this bullshit could give us at the end was these two it was terrible oh my god he's like he's not good at that like that's not something you just pick up Well, isn't that a real concern though that with his hubris and the way he treats And is he just using the trolling tactics to just get something good out of it? It's not based on his actual words.

1:11:23 and then her saying what the FBI director giving the description of what Hillary did and then her saying what If she was running against, let's put it this way. he was like, well, it wasn't negligent was sort of he was like, she's basically an idiot. Officer who took photos? Well, he was he printing them. Where do you send them once you get a large them?

1:13:31 is still so good and we don't realize it. You can get a decent job for the most part. It doesn't mean are leaving America? Yeah, she's going to Mexico Well, there's never what I was saying because I didn't say I didn't mean like watch this nuclear explosion go off Then what the average person if you're in Ohio or you're're in florida or colorado or whatever your your votes literally every single person's vote which also

1:15:45 but just from what we've talked about here, not just a way that i disagreeable about George Bush. we both maybe will begrudgingly the day before the election kind of be like ah we're gonna vote for And look, I hold him as high as I can hold another another person. The average conservative who I may disagree with on taxes or abortion or whatever, they're not my enemy.

1:19:16 You think this is about not letting people Yeah. science. And we have to realize that people can have different political opinions and that you Melbourne is fucking fantastic. Sydney is awesome by allowing everybody in on illegal immigrants. I mean, there are videos of boats trying to get to greece and they're just This this is the one you want. activity and they exposed that, they would be protected, which has been absolutely not

1:23:15 But my point is, he was a great candidate. But she keeps saying that. which is really the stuff we should be talking about. But you, the way, you know, it's really Not only that, like the term rigging the elections and interfering with the- A person who has no connection whatsoever to the Russian governor who may have gotten your shit. I always quote Carl Sagan on this one,

1:25:19 Blackmail. And then either you start continually leaking more, because I suspect they've got plenty more. They're not they're not a political organization. Don't buy it. I think they would have released it yesterday. to do with WikiLeaks yeah it came We really have... way of being a moron yeah and that you know he'll think about bill out dicking all. Could not care less. I don't even know that he could name the vice president. He has been all

1:28:09 I mean, he's a great guy, but he just has nothing to do with politics. that people are just saying, But when someone's actually pulling the curtain, it'll never, that the machine You know your tweets to your mom, whatever the fuck you're doing. It's all to be transparent. Your emails to Jamie, your tweets to your mom, and express themselves. So that's what it is.

1:30:10 And now we're exposing it. what we're doing. So if we manage one cogent point in this whole thing, that's more than you And I was goddamn bewildered. And they're all puppets. So how do we then, as the neos of this, of this matrix, right? But I think new technology is going to emerge that's going to... I fucking want that drink. Yeah, so that's what we taught me we spent as I'm sure you did we spent the hour basically talking about all that that think about it

1:33:46 but we need to do a little legwork so that when this stuff comes, They were going to turn on us. I mean, I think before virtual reality, you're going to have augmented reality. the bionic arm to be able, you know, and get Wi-Fi in your arm. I've been saying that for years. He's a really good public Guess what? I mean, I haven't even been doing stand-up much in the last couple of years, but I think

1:35:30 There's a few of them like that. I'm talking Louis Anderson. Louis Anderson. Yeah. I, but I'm talking the Louis C.K. Louis C.K. embraces it. I'm talking Louis Anderson. Yeah. I would. Write with feathers. Yeah, you know, I mean it really was it was created by people who used to write with feathers. You know, I mean, it really was. It's an archaic system.

1:36:59 I mean, just on the technology front and how we vote, it's like every state has two senators. And the reason they did it back then was because they wanted to make sure that the states like So there are things that are happening now that the system, because it's so ingrained and because the people that control it and the money. Freedom of speech. He's in an embassy.

1:39:21 That some shit has to go down that we can't know about. That's what I'm saying about technology. It's just numbers on the, for a long time I thought like 10, whoa. I thought like- 10,000 years. Yeah, 2,000. But human beings in this current state are incredibly recent, Yes. They're extracting money from a broken system. But when he was running for governor, that was the hurdle.

1:42:27 When people came and come to my studio, it's we're playing a game sort of we're talking about women about supporting the war. there's a time and a place for things, What are your well considered opinions on things right now? Well, I wouldn't want the job This is Dave Rubin. the problem that you can't think of i mean even i'm not all i'm doing right now is saying what

1:45:45 That outrage monster that will find one thing They're playing a game and Sam has a high profile and incredible amount of their time to sit there and formulate another blog. But you know that, that you didn't either mean or, Yeah, smoke some pot. He's big within the, because he's thought of as part of the alt-right. but it was either a bad joke or it was a little unclear or worded clums like he was a rape apologist but it was

1:48:34 you had people that you've communicated with that you thought were one way and as you got to know Consider this sure, but as an as an interviewer, you're not you're not you or I are not held to he's a good guy. He says shit that I in the audience she just busts about halfway through starts screaming she got in a you know Are they stupid or are they just kids?

1:51:09 as some sort of a men's rights thing, which is a very bizarre thing. Like you have to deny that It's like saying that these people are lucky. Not the people who aren't victim of it. I think there's cycles to things. And they're like, stop the fucking fire. killing anyone was and then they rise up and they go after that attack and that's what you're seeing with the

1:54:18 And then it goes like that. wall. Yeah, I got a friend and doctor in Texas who lost his practice because of it. What did you do? Bush. well, of women that vote and a lot of men are fuck-ups. there's that there's the the again and that conversation that he had on that bus i've heard Women voted higher rates than men. So the idea though that words are in action

1:57:45 But that's still, until it's provable, you can't, you can get outraged by it. allegation you know we know that there's gonna be a lot of people that are of things and I've been guilty of it and I'm sure you have and everybody listening to this thing I I'm sure as we are learning the very complicated game of communication with human beings and how yet and the problem is if you read minds man, right? I've had some fucking memories of things then I went back and looked at him again like a video or something

1:59:49 I remembered it. I don't know. save you from these memories because they're too fucking painful. So what it does is it buries I think culturally. I just don't And I don't know if that's even avoidable. Cup. So it's like every, why did they give her a million dollars? It's for something, you know Right. But not just oil. that you have to somehow or another maintain some sort of friendly connection

2:03:45 And not just from the Saudis. Like it's the desert and they use their money to make it rain. But he kept control of the country, basically kept their borders, kept peace with Israel, He doesn't really publicly say exactly what he's doing So what they got from democracy was way worse. That's a state of chaos. Thank you for dumbing that down for me. Latinos.

2:06:47 I like it. There's male and female HumEx. I mean, come on, Joe. Yeah, man. What about her story? mean come on joe yeah man what about her story I don't remember if she was fired or if she resigned. And they disagreed with her framing of it, her memory of it. Yeah. In the reality of... I'd still do it. something violent, She has a big dick in her brain.

2:09:02 Get that 40. She's got perfect cheeks. Oh, yeah. in a certain way. some comedy and he would get the audience to disdain that's American they do it now That was Lloyd Benson. It doesn't that. Like this is like when Jersey Shore was around. And then it's going to go deeper and deeper and deeper until the whole world is filled with people on a reality show while they're holding up a camera.

2:12:42 It might not be on a network on Bravo coming up next at 8. terms of periscoping from home or showing i don't do this or stuff because they're not public people I'm like, I got to do this. Well, they do. went to Mexico. I sat on a beach. it was wild. some things happening And then when I got back on the grid you know cuz immediately the second I got off the plane

2:15:31 who are using these things, using these devices. nothing yeah and just looking for something interesting just constantly scrolling looking What about me as a person? Yeah. Thinking and meditation and thinking about what you actually want to do versus what your And I always like it. It seems like something, oh, you're just grabbing your feet. People are taking his name off their yoga studio now.

2:17:56 I mean, he's a guru, right? But then you see him as a person like he's a crazy fuck But I think. jobs that you just said how's one person have those three important jobs that's But as human beings, as chimps, we want a God. It's like... Like this is all a false narrative and it's created in such a potent way that our brains are stained by that. you know,

2:21:20 man. gonna buy the bugs that seems sensible and they just dip their quill into that and they would He was writing the very laws she was his slave. when you look back on a different time and you try to apply our morality of today on other people. I went into comedy because I was five years old and I saw bill cosby himself and he's talking about chocolate cake and you know

2:24:21 Barack Obama being president. And at at the same time he was a conservative really friendly you know don't we don't talk It needs work let's be honest Well, I guess partly that may have been because Cosby became such a big institution. Like, the best example. can get an honorary doctorate just for your humanitarian work or because people think you're

2:27:32 That's what I did my doctorate on. Yeah, but here it says, but how he got his degree has been controversial ever since. doctorate for writing about a cartoon but even the bachelor's degree they're saying he got an Bringing so much goodness to the country. to take in the data from media. You know, we know it's a movie, but leave. Well, that was a good movie, man. God damn. Can't wait for Dr. Strange too. You know, we know it's a movie, but there's an impact that that data has on our mind that we have to, even though we have to separate it and move it around, that impact is there. We're

2:30:29 when we went from being a monkey to being a guy who's addicted to a cell phone. It's one of the reasons today why women enjoy gossip and men enjoy quiet and why the two are sometimes incompatible And this has all been like well established by sociologists, by people who have studied you survive the come on man life the less you're experiencing the actual life it's almost like a preparation

2:33:22 Don't worry. We're all fine And by you giving it a little bump here, and then you've been real good to me on social media, you've helped amplify what I do. Yeah, just saying nice things or I like what you're doing or retweeting what I'm doing You know what I mean? Like part of the, nobody ever had to do that like imagine if johnny carson had a twitter account and he's trying to

2:35:13 is people don't expect you to do that of bandwidth that your brain has that all of us have to do what whatever it is we do yeah i could we the two of us could sit here for 24 hours in a a service. I think to do my perspective a service, to be honest about it, and I think embracing that I enjoy Across the world to do that even I was telling you before we started that.

2:37:36 It's like, it's beautiful. and I'm trying to and you know you gotta twist that thing My attention was so focused, turning those things, getting that thing in there, pulling one out. yeah there really is so you don't have to go across the world to do it just doing something I like basically shroomed for like eight days. I don't know, probably 12 hours to go from Amsterdam to Rome.

2:39:43 I don't remember. We get to, I mean, it all sounds... Netherlands is where I started. I had just, you know, when you have just enough of the visuals like just as like a little moving and then we went to dinner with him afterwards and of the universe but even not being a believer you can acknowledge that the work that these people the third holiest site in Islam.

2:42:58 many groups that have influence and great influence over people a lot of times they look out for of power then they abuse them it's like and they're almost begging for some better smarter It's almost like they're just they're so blind to the fact that there is something else happening. We're like the spoiled country club kids of the world. Right. I understand that some shit has, there are rules that are beyond what the average person.

2:45:39 he has sat has assassinated his right did you see the fucking assassination attempt on him And not him Yeah two weeks ago He's doing that so he could hit Putin's car. See, watch the median. And this is just the modern version of shit that's been going on since the beginning of time. it's a weird place to sit, whatever he may or may not Who was leading it?

2:47:51 Yeah, Karl Rove. Maybe I'm confusing, because Karl Rove is definitely a part of the Jeff Gannon story. Like maybe in his late 50s? Well, people do care because he lied. because obviously Obama now, it might not be the worst lie. and put his hand on the Bible I have to know lie about what FBI We actually did take some old hard drives out to the gun range.

2:50:30 Just blow them apart. Yeah. I got my Apple laptop here, but I bought a Windows laptop just to see what's going on. Yeah, the little nipple that you play with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two different people I'm talking to This one's getting kind of, it's got Windows 7. I guess. Right. So I'm using Firefox. Nothing would work like things like videos would freeze.

2:53:17 So now I'm on Chrome and guess what you press play. You know what happens shit plays shit plays off the grid. Sorry. I heard when people send you pictures on those Google phones, like They really like the speed the the pure Google experience because nobody fucks with it come straight from them This guy's got green yeah, he knows he knows things or he doesn't or he's poor poor guy

2:55:14 They don't even send you a blue one. But the idea that Yeah, I got one right here, dude. Because they know that if, because this phone really, the reality is this phone that we're A little better, but a little better. phone or what if you want to charge your phone and use headphones at the same time yeah i don't Because why keep changing it if you just tweak a couple things and they don't put that much into it and we all do it

2:57:14 And so they may have a biased opinion. I was like, this is just too instinctive a move for me to just go to Apple. So like the tech people didn't appreciate the Mac platform until OSX. And there's so many people that get in these clans. He was you know he's a creative guy behind the scenes guy Like, what the fuck are we doing, man? That 1984 commercial, their whole point was you all bow down to microsoft and we are the upstarts we're the people that are going to break

2:59:30 Basically was like, yeah, when they rewrite fairer They're public and people own stock in it. lying when he says the thing about auditing you know his whole thing is well i'm under audit so He said emails. You know, which does make sense. they didn't get outraged about it maybe the president or whoever's in charge wouldn't move So when all these people are like,

3:02:19 We should have laws as human beings and what we allow and not just in america you can't just say that's why this is really complex and we instead people instead, people look at the ties in Mexico and they go, see, he's a hypocrite. Okay. That I'm going to be moral or'm not going to do it anymore to show you that i'm going poor third world country and a nike factory opens up or whatever, you can't, as a person who is aware that they have the best like location roll the dice that's available today.

3:05:05 that commit suicide at those factories is very similar to the percentage of people that commit that goes to the sides everyone's picking a side Well, they're just going after this guy. And how, you know, like the way they were getting a lot of the elements that they shareholders just like apple having a responsibility to their shareholders. No, it's Microsoft or it's Hitachi

3:07:24 and you have to figure out a way to get them. Can you get them by taking these people that have worked for us for 20 years The corporation becomes this entity that needs zeros and ones. Right. They probably all have Tesla's and all that shit and the people that are literally making the shit It includes the people that work for the people that buy the machines.

3:09:15 ongoing wave of improvement and innovation that we demand we demand new better versions we're not an this thing has done incredible things because to rear square all the revolutions that haven't I think we're setting it up for the next thing. whether we like it or know it or not. I think they're not fulfilling their human requirements, their biological human requirements.

3:11:47 because then it's like this high-level problem-solving thing Dave Rubin, ladies and gentlemen. But what I'm saying is you as a human being have an obligation to yourself are in your life you're around people that are complaining all the time if you're just around Like everything turns blue. Might not ever go away because you're not living in a movie.

3:14:26 And it's like, you got to do the work. There's no it's not like there's no options. There are options to fit thought patterns Mm-hmm, and if you just allow these like deeply ingrained paths to exist in your mind But, hey, there's still time! negative program by your family or by people that you hang around with or bad influences and you've been easier to get food it's never been safer to walk the streets there's never been more cool

3:16:56 You'd be so happy. so in a lot of the other people in an interesting way you're almost making a case though for Yeah. Problem solving and puzzle solving is a part of who you are stared at Twitter for three hours. Maybe I should relax. And it's a job, but it's the greatest job I've ever had. Yeah, I love that. you're you're doing things instead of working like you're not punching in I mean I went independent

3:21:47 which is where fans can donate per month after we launched it, studio and we're figuring out all other ways to make deals and all that kind of stuff. And Well, kind of a way like that, that hunger, that, that, you know, that fear that to take that chance and to do things. and it forces you to be inspired May not be bad. Good, but I just had this feeling of like I got to try this. I got to try this.

3:24:20 like biting your tongue or flavoring your words or you know they come into your office and go dave I don't know it necessarily disagree requires like sort of some sort of an open And we pick a new king or queen fuck up where the mass media has been lied to by polls and by public opinion. And I don't think So it's it's a weird thing that we're doing here where we're basing that on polls exit polls are different

3:27:42 the table could have sold it to glenn beck but I guess it doesn't like Glenn's back politics. So he basically did the producers. that was what gave him credibility so that's a cosby situation right there. It's a Cosby, you'll see. They look at their watch. What was the longest one? Listen, I am now going to publicly, It was a great conversation. Thank you very much, sir. And'll do it. A little guilt at the end. We've had a nice report here. It's been a great conversation.

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