Joe Rogan Experience #876 — Chris Bell Transcript

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0:00 That's sweet. And you've had experience with it. taking it to get off of opiates. It's a plant. It's a 100% natural plant. Comes from, you know, drug. But so you're saying it's not a drug, though? Well, you know, that's I guess it's I mean, I don't know where the real distinction is between high and elevation of mood or where, you know, what the difference is really there.

2:54 I have zero experience so that you have some here now. But it also elevates you? And I guess for me, you know, I guess it's different for everybody. surgery and I was all doped up on the drugs and I didn't even know it so it My relationship with my girlfriend's great. People relapse. trains and he really loves it too. Takes it before he lifts weights.

5:59 What did you think it was? like sort of good. That's the one that is a good pre-workout. But they're all kind of the same than anything found in nature and kratom is found in nature. They have to, you know, it's like marijuana And I said to him, what do you think about marijuana? If there's no negative response by the body, you're not having people die of overdoses,

8:40 Kratom is the same thing. his mother wants to blame Kratom. She doesn't think that the psych meds had anything to do your family. That's insane. Somebody in your family will be affected by it. That's more than You know what she said to me? And this is after a gigantic, you know, they mount this gigantic media coverage of this story. Well, I talked to Melvin Patterson.

12:00 got upset and said, well, we're going to ban it anyway, because we're waiting on you guys. on the kratom and they all disappear. Whoa. Wow. They think that they can extract some of these alkaloids, right? There's two alkaloids, It doesn't make any sense. these archaic ideas. I'm like, they're all against gay marriage sessions. Yeah. I mean, I really believe that.

15:47 I shouldn't say the devil. And a lot of people want to say, is. I didn't outrun it. Yeah. I mean, that's really what it is. It's like some people outrun Accidental overdoses. and really, really addicted to these other drugs, they might need something like Like you said, with marijuana, the more people that try it, the better off we'll be. It's a plant.

18:15 I mean, I had rarely heard of it. Like somebody will say, hey, here, try this. That's going to be better than an opiate for your pain, for your chronic pain. But I was taking like 10 Advil a day. You know that could happen that right? lot of people. He said, I'll fly to Sacramento. I was living up by my brother at the time. Just standing up. I don't feel any pain right now.

20:31 what that's how that's how it was for me i'm not saying that's how it's going to be for everyone Okay, give me one of them packets and tell me like like how much you're supposed to take to that point. Hasn't gotten you to that point. But I have taken too much of it. Oh, okay. Give You know what? Like it hurt. I totally understand their worry. Because, I mean, if you look at it, I mean, everyone wants to worry that the DEA is in bed with big pharma and it's all about business and they're here to screw over the American people

23:02 I do. And you know as well, you know, when you're – I feel that media has the power to change the world. talking about people dying from steroid overdoses no it's not what's happening I mean, you could definitely take too much of it. They're both plants that are put here. what's the big deal? Yeah. We have a reluctance to indulgence in some ways, right? Like we're

25:42 Yeah, there's a big difference between being high and being impaired. Yeah, I'm sure. There's not enough data. There's not enough research, not enough research. Why can't we study those to stop the deaths, to slow it down, to make a dent in the deaths from Well, I think it was you that tweeted something and I might have retweeted or just read it. So we're going to have to arrest you.

28:40 Come arrest me. You know how stupid that would look because that's all going in the documentary. actually important. Yeah. It's very important. It's very important because it's not just about almost nothing about it. But one thing that I need to get out there to everybody, the one way we can keep this legal and keep other things legal as well, And what is that?

31:24 look at it so even if you write a bunch of December 1st, the DEA has to read it. Like, they have to look at it. And your show is so powerful. So there was a drug called Flakka. They were smashing through their car windows and jumping on cars, Yeah. I don't know. What the fuck? What the fuck? Always fucking Florida. All I'm saying is that when we sell things, you know,

33:52 They were getting away for it. But basically what it does is anything that was on the market before 1994 gets grandfathered in and is a legal supplement. before 1994, we have a pretty solid case to say, you know, look, this gets grandfathered in just like everything else. but so little is known about it by most people, including me. We saved your children.

36:06 I interviewed her down in Florida she's like, yeah, terrible thing that she had to go through. And now she takes Kratom and she's fine. It's hard to tell. I didn't take it for two weeks because it's illegal there. So I was like, maybe they don't even take this seriously But the reason why it's illegal This happened in the 40s, 1942 or 3. I don't think it's legal.

38:58 Yeah, to me, the whole thing is interesting because I completely get the other side. an intimate knowledge of what it's like to be addictive and under the spell a lot of studies in mice and all the studies in mice, And he really feels that this could be the savior Like let them make their money and whatever, but keep it legal for us. Oh, so you were doing it just to let people know about it,

41:34 And so to me, the ban and the controversy is the best thing that could ever happen because now people know about it and they're aware. I don't know what that is, you know? why a person's promoting something in one way or not promoting something in another way. It's like, I think you're absolutely automatically validating like everything i've tried to do my

43:45 It's crazy. There's a couple million people like walking around completely checked out, They admitted it, and they got fined. Let's just build it in the cost of the drug. And if they could just ban that, look, I don't think actual natural tobacco is that bad for you. You know, wine is great. Like as you take too much of it, you'll just feel so crappy that you're going to know never to do that again.

46:07 But that's sort of that was my first like, OK, be smart about this. explain to people so they could get it and obviously you nor I have any stake I'm sure. if this gets illegal, there's two that are similar. But they have a similar effect, allegedly? and there are Congress people that are against it. Like all these people are are working together. I don't remember the rest of them, but there's a couple states where it's banned.

49:45 over or 25 and over. It doesn't, you know, whatever, whatever they want to do. Like no Scientology like you can't find out anything about it like when you try to and to start making it legal. What's that journey been like? Weird, you know, I think scary a little apparently, a lot of people were very hopeful. They thought this is going to be it. there's a machine it's like this fucking robot and it takes like every fucking substance in the world

52:37 And we already know that marijuana works for this, this, and this. You should probably know about that. Yeah, they pulled that off the market. How strange. I was just on the show, The Doctors, with a doctor whose son was taking Kratom. His son was a drug gotta understand the reason why if you google kratom rehabs come up is because Yeah, yeah, but but people do have a problem with it

55:32 Maybe they're just ignorant. Eric Roberts sitting there with a newspaper, a cup of coffee. He's like, I feel fine. Did I pay my insurance? Fuck. And as soon as someone accuses you of something, you start considering the possibility they're right. but I was a drug addict. So my dad said to me, I don't know what's wrong with you, It was like that conversation that really sort of shook me to the ground.

57:55 Yeah. Right. Oh, does that happen? That's what I was assuming it was. Would you say he's mocking Bing? They're trying to sell you it. dude that would always hit me up online about stuff and he kind of knew everything. So I hired Does it really? with a powdered leaf material or chopped up in the form of a leaf that can be used for a tea or for smoking.

1:00:38 and last between five and seven hours, although high doses can last longer. It says the breakdown products of Kratom can be detected with some drug tests. it's like polypharmacy, but it's like, oh, they were taking, you know, Xanax, Vicodin and Kratom. They conveniently ignore that. Maybe, at the most, 10. stimulants depressants so here's what it says. A person using this drug may expect or may not expect or want the following undesirable effects of kratom.

1:03:38 Do people hallucinate on Kratom? Addiction effects may include, number one, loss of sexual desire. That's why. So they researched these workers out in the fields that were chewing the kratom leaves, saying, oh, they're turning brown. Well, and then you'll have people, like Congress people and other people that are fighting against this, try to use that as a fact.

1:05:09 Muscle pain. Restlessness and sleeplessness. And it really, when we take him off Kratom, That's scary. you know, on another one of your podcasts. Counseling. I knew he was going to die from it. And I didn't have the money at the time. been helping people you're like how, I try to pay attention. And I missed it. I think the DEA, I believe, from what I've gathered from this whole situation, is they're not happy about what happened.

1:09:24 Well, I really hope people listen to this, get to it. Is that what it has to be? to meet a bunch of people like, what's up dude. And that kind of, that kind of guy, you know, So this is a really important issue. Yeah, we'll wait around. So it's impossible to nail these people down, I would hope that the DEA and the FDA would listen to this interview and sit with us and do an interview.

1:12:04 10, 15 minutes into the show it's uh yeah i mean Yeah, man. Yeah? Yeah, this is the more mild version. They use honey. Jombo. Where do you get that? of great stuff. All organic. They use like honey. Don't get crazy. drugs but if you're spraying breath spray under your tongue it's like ah he's just relieving pain Yeah. eat a pot cookie and they'll think, oh my God, somebody put acid in this. Because it's really

1:15:06 That's great. They can ask for Melvin Patterson. as I can. Oh, is that for his slingshot? And do you have a name for this documentary?