Joe Rogan Experience #886 — Hank Shaw Transcript

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0:00 So I've never been to Woodland Hills. Really? Come on, man. So I was a bit more than a blogger. political blogger or you know a columnist an author after a while you got to realize you're I got to give him this thing. So everybody gets a little bit of an ornament on top of the tree so that they can go home to their district and say, look what I got.

2:59 You know, everybody gets a little piece. Well, that's fairly reasonable then. And there's too many things to look at anyway. Which is why I find it fascinating that you went from that world to much more of an artistic pursuit of being a chef. Which ones? missing the point you could do both stupid but um the point being um that i didn't think i thought of food as being like great like oh this is this tastes good i like this i didn't think of it as

5:57 You know it's not going to last forever. Yeah. Right. We are making product in a way that will make you interested in it and will delight you Like, my comedy changes worlds, changes minds. Because podcasts are so open-ended, there's no real structure to it. practitioners it was a real weird time i blame bill hicks do you know you know bill hicks is

9:07 You can, by all means, make a statement, but make it funny. Yeah, what is that all about? So, I mean, I've done such weird stuff as, you know, when I go grouse hunting, They're a little bit like, well, they're loaded with vitamin C, How the fuck do I not know this? It's like that. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah. It looks nasty. Wow. And the Swedes and Norwegians make fruit soups out of it.

13:04 We have deers in the yard. Kill them all. Lots of luck. ever chased. They're in a cage. He just hops the fence and has a slaughter fest. I mean, he's not I just wasn't prepared for the vitriol. There's one today. I mean, it's in a suburban neighborhood. Yes. Okay. Sometimes you Santa Monica, which is like deeply populated. 200. They're spotting them more and more lately.

16:48 as long as there's only a couple of them. You don't want too many jaguars running around where Giant, huge sharks. Yeah, these people are hanging out. Well, you know, they're warm-blooded mammals. that live in that channel right there. It's actually one of the best places to catch them outside of New Zealand. Wow, they do look really primitive. I mean, it wasn't anything that I think you should slaughter sharks for.

19:09 So there was a, I think it was the mayor of New York City, or was it the governor, that caught a thresher shark. It is New York governor in hot water over shark photo, and that's a little fresher, too. It's totally legal. Yeah, it's a fish And everyone gets, I get the same reaction, And, you know, it's like, oh, well, one shark's endangered, so they all must be endangered.

20:43 Outrage. But these leopard sharks, now what is the difference in, like, I've had mako. Swordfish, sturgeon, makos, and threshers but it's no accounting for taste. So if you're going to fish for these fish, you need to have ice on board. Now, the variations in sharks, that's a very extreme variation, the difference between like a grouper and a swordfish, which is like a real thick, meaty.

23:06 The best bait to catch a leopard shark is what was ever in the previous leopard shark's stomach. What a strange looking fish. That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. that's all visible? Like if you ran, these are, like if these things, like you see them at night. It's not that it reflects light. 2% or something ridiculous like that? That's interesting.

25:17 When you're writing something. what's a species of least concern. like recreational? strongly encouraged they can have pups Well, most people don't know probably that sharks do what you say, have live young inside of them. Oh, yeah. How do they eat, and they're eating inside a womb? Nah, none that I know of Did you come close at any time? Let me tell you something.

28:19 That you know of. Ooh, that's a good name for it Squirrel's another one. It's kind of cool. It's the tail, dude. Come on in. No. This is so crazy. hole and grabs Louie and eats him. is a morbid scene. He must be, right? I would love to be able to tell you that, yeah, they're delicious, And it's actually quite a quite good good eating squirrel um there

32:21 So that's interesting. Do they have a preference for like what they go after? And if it's, I mean, it'll look sort of, oh, I'm going to forget this. I think it's 40 to 60 inches from the fork of the tail. was caught by a dude in Are they in rivers? What are they in? Ah. I knew it was the 80s. Yeah. Wow, look at the size of it. Like, what if it's like, you're like, hold on, get the fish close.

36:03 Now, is that a good fish to eat outside of the row? So if you go to restaurants in Sacramento, you will see sturgeon all over our menus. I mean, in terms of the hunting and fishing and the outdoors people. That makes sense. And over a third of this state is public land. weeks ago. That's when I met him, he was there. know about the subway lines. So when somebody who lives in rural Montana or whatever says,

38:57 Steve's got a real good way of breaking things down like that. if you call it government land seems like well if they sell it it's not yours I love that shirt. Or if you're in Texas and it's a high fence. Which is why we actually have deer. Steve has it. And because of that, it got so deep into his system that he was in bed He had a stick shift. Pumped him full of IV antibiotics and figured out exactly what it was.

42:37 Not in mass. And we cooked some mushrooms, had a good time, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, you got to get it really quick those little fuckers we did I did this show for sci-fi called Joe Rogan questions everything and one of the things that were we that he found is there's a direct correlation between people who have this disease and Lyme like saw something wiggling around on the surface of his eye, and then it wasn't there anymore.

45:14 I've been trying to get that guy on for years. expert in the United States of toxoplasmosis and the effects of it. It gets them horny for cat He was doing some work in emergency rooms. Like in what way? What did he say it did to him? Well, it's what people, when they talk about crazy cat people, that literally is what they're talking about. They're risk takers.

48:03 I think there's also some sort of a connection between good there's good strains of cordyceps So I don't know if this is 100% true, but I've always heard that the creature is a mashup of real insects. They breathe oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide. Oh, my God. No. It gets inside a grasshopper. That's so nasty. Look at the size of this fucking thing that was living inside this praying mantis while

51:27 because it's continuing to come out. Yeah. Somehow or another, predators to me are less disturbing than parasites. Yeah, not good. And there's still no fishery for them. They were talking about the amount of time that it takes to grow a commercial fish to the point where you can harvest it. and they'll have them fishing in these lakes. But it's just so bizarre.

55:03 Yeah. You'll catch a nice one. Is it a blue catfish? Okay. wrong. It's bizarre. I tell you, I don't and just keeps dumping these fish in there. So in Texas, a lot of the high fence places are thousands and thousands of acres. Yeah. and they give them this massive protein- rich diet and then they also have great genetics Right? Okay. But it says it's designed to kill unwanted lake vegetation.

59:06 I want to talk to you about gar. Jamie, that's a little tiny one. I mean, it literally looks like some kind of a fucking dinosaur fish. You can catch them on a hook. Yeah, there's a big one. 12 feet? Let's find it on the web. Yeah. And you can eat them all? We made people eat animal dicks. Yeah, loppers. That's just a giant one. And these things they thought until they caught one,

1:02:06 How weird. Oh, there's one right there. though? Not all of them. Just bringing them up through the top? And so when you catch a lingcod on a hook, you can just throw it back in the water, But lingcod will come from the bottom all the way up to the top to hunt. My biggest one I ever caught was a hitchhiker. 23 pounds. Whoa. It wouldn'ted the lingcod. Wow. That's interesting. 23 pounds.

1:03:56 He's like, huh, that's peculiar. that would suck. when the demons Don't lip him Yeah, they turn blue like that. The red is from krill. whoa so and this is all off the northern California coast? The really biggest ones are if you catch them in Alaska. So I was sort of sad because I went up there because I wanted to catch a giant. So a buddy of mine, a guy named R.J. Waldron, he landed a 53-pound striper in the delta.

1:07:17 So it's generally not a good idea to eat your seed corn, even if they're fish. It was huge. The size of that fucker yeah, that one's too big 255 pounds they fucked up. They shouldn't kill that one right Really? Right. She's real sensitive. guys who run the boat beat this thing to death in front of her with a club, because that's what you do. Okay. You've got to go.

1:10:29 leaks into the ocean we see the steam coming up as the lava's flowing it's amazing um anyway they And I'm like, honey, this is where we get fish. So five feet away, they're beating this thing with a club. But they were telling me that you had to smoke it. marlin? Because almost nobody does. But yeah, I mean almost all That was the only time I ever caught one.

1:12:45 Now, you think that tastes significantly different than a marlin? I bet they're pretty similar. I'd River thing. They're cousins of the the paddlefish where you pull that spinal cord out of them, right? What a weird looking fucking caviar, right? Right. So there was, again, there was an illegal trade in petal fish caviar. So I think they sell it. I would hope so, too.

1:15:09 in the middle of the country and they live there. but it's this guy who cooks weird stuff on the Sportsman's Channel. He's on an interesting show. Really? It actually turns out to be quite delicious. He said it was the worst thing he's ever put in his mouth. I think he tried it every which way but Sunday and he was just like, no way. Some say it's disgusting and fishy, but, and most mammals are edible.

1:17:02 Two and a show, folks. Really? It's just like, oh, you lose, seal. Well, there's no other way. Is that a sea lion? it's the good tasting one. Is that what you mean? I remember that Marching of the Penguins movie. I didn't. Oh, yeah. That's a crazy animal. I remember that He's like, It's kind of epic they're like the little alien Well, that's interesting.

1:19:55 It's exactly what you were saying. how much actual meat that thing must need to consume But it's where you get off the highway Yeah. Bergman's rule. we're like, man, everybody wants to say inside of 100 years. I hate fire ants. Florida, they were all over the place. They just thought she was a threat, and time to take you out. Yeah, in Bolivia. I'd have to judge that when I got there.

1:23:48 And they think that it may have originated, at least this is the rumor, asked about it all the time. So you're going, you know, pelvis to skull. Right. because all he's got to do is just saw them off and put them in a butcher paper I mean, I started hunting in Minnesota, reporter at that point. And I got into it because I wanted to eat these things. I loved cooking the

1:27:32 And I didn't, how do you know? That's I mean, there's two things to gamey. They corn feed salmon. Yeah, it's in the pellets that they feed him. It's part of the pellets Christ great you're out of your mind it's uh you know then people will say elk is so much better than And is it a diver duck? And the deepest of all are a third kind of duck called a sea duck, which, as you might guess, lives in deep, deep, deep, deep water.

1:31:01 It loves seeds of all kinds. people who are grown Tell me what it's like. Ammoniated? Yeah. that thing because I have never seen or heard. I've seen videos of people trying it. I've never Our food is so bland. and mixed with either cornmeal or sometimes oatmeal. It's basically that, but it's made with liver. So you form it. It's all liquid. And I'm not super heavy on the gelatin.

1:35:24 If you have no idea what it And it needs pickles and or mustard. But it's a weird distinction. preserve things. That's it? Head cheese right there? Mm-hmm. I buy those at the pet store. becomes very disturbing That's awesome. because you're either a vegetarian or a hunter, so let me try this hunting thing. grill it. But I mean, it has this taste to it that's just so different than anything you're going to buy in a store. Well, for me as a cook, uh, having entered

1:39:15 Rinella cooked a deer head in the ground. Oh, he's the hardest motherfucker on the earth. come from kentucky where he had did another show and he had shot an elk in kentucky like literally he's so He's like, let's climb all over these mountains. I went on a mule deer hunt with him recently, He's like, you can go if you want. You have to listen. Well, I don't know if it's my favorite bird to cook.

1:41:59 Just a little tiny wild chicken. About like that. there. So, wow. So, I mean, I guess the biggest gallinaceous bird would be the turkey. I was Yeah. is so preferable to domestic pigs. Like pigs are one of them, especially invasive pigs. a shot they'll walk into a field and do a hundred thousand dollars of damage in one night and it's Just overrun. Yeah.

1:45:22 huge cluster right there well then, then November hits the rut. You got an Iowa tag? You know, you put in points. Because if you're going to shoot someone with a shotgun, you've got to be pretty fucking close. Whereas, you know, I shoot at 270 and I lose like two inches at 300. Or you could probably use a peep sight. And is it because of its wild diet?

1:47:34 Oh, yeah. And so on the West Coast, they are the best eating waterfowl there is, period, bar none, because they eat eelgrass. But on the other hand, golden eyes, buffleheads, most bluebills but not all, ringnecks, a lot of those birds, you know, they still taste good, but I'll tend to skin them. It is really fascinating to me that the taste of when you eat an animal depends so much on what the animal's diet is,

1:49:10 I don't know what that accent was, but I don't like it. Well, it didn't turn anything blue, but it was amazing. So Legend has it. That's not far. Wouldn't you consider it an avocado fruit? has this insane sort of bluish hint to it. Poor Steve. Lyme disease. Because south of about Oregon, draw a line all the way across the country, What a creepy animal.

1:52:15 This is Yogi. That's the way you shot it. the structure of our hips that are a great amount of the way we're built and the way we think and into that you weren't even aware that you had when the deer's down. And when you're quartering it and you know, I have a, uh, another friend from Hokkaido and the Northern Island in Japan who, Yeah, it's a crazy deer, right?

1:55:34 Yes. How long did it take you to put this together? Wow. No kidding. And if I'm going to tell you to do something with it Right. And lamb or goat will get you pretty close in size. Really? Commercial elk grown in the United States. That seems wrong. Well, it's also the market hunting is what wiped them out at the turn of the century. The biggest whitetail I ever saw was this giant in western Kansas when I was quail hunting.

1:59:25 He's an archer. And I think it's because I'm a fan of the underdog. Well, it is, but it isn't. or they're rats or whatever and and so i was in South Texas, and I said to the landowner I was with, like, let me shoot a couple of javelinas. Oh. Yeah, because they're almost, I don't know if they're obligate vegetarians, but they're primarily vegetarians.

2:01:21 They're actually like spikes where wild boars have like arcs, like cutters. Yeah, it doesn't look like a real animal, right? Probably pronghorn antelope wouldn't be my second favorite. They're their own thing. So the antelope is essentially waiting for the cheetah. Usually it's like, ow, I'm dead, and they fall over. Their body temperature is hotter than a deer's, and their hide holds heat better than a deer.

2:03:53 You see that happen a lot. Late August, September. We'll wrap this up. So duck, venison backstrap, anything with wild boar because it's basically boar. the drippings from the pan sauce. Look at that. Yep. Good Lord, that looks good. Well, listen, man, your book's awesome. It's all mine go that way. You silly goose. Okay.