Joe Rogan Experience #898 — Bas Rutten & Mauro Ranallo Transcript

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0:00 Tomorrow's a pecking and a poking over there. I used to tell him every time after a single fight, I'd say, Mauro Ranallo wants to immediately go down the boss route and save my life. Did you see the recent one with Gary Garcia, the Rizin fight? totally wrapped up. She was limping from the moment He took a two-by-four? And we saw it firsthand. This was after the fight.

2:57 There was a few. I said, oh, it's easy. So they had it all planned out. That was 100% real. against Hicks and Gracie, the mythic valetudo jiu-jitsu fighter. You're going to get a tough kid, but you're going to have to fight a real fighter. Unreal. That sounds way more believable than a perfect 400 and 0. documentary that are doing right now they there are people in jail like

5:54 Famous actor. Yeah, me too. Pull up the page on it. There you go. popular known as Prison Fight Including those convicted of murder and sexual assault have been freed and in some cases That's fucking insane. Yeah, but what if someone did something to your sister or your daughter or your mom, No. That's a tough guy, yeah. And whoop, done. Student of striking as well.

8:46 Oh, my God, yeah. And I told him to everybody, he is that guy that when he has a, but he had so much power. and the belt went. But what could have been even with Elite Xc and we saw what happened with kimbo but it's just interesting for positions. Like Roy Nelson to bring, it was the first organization but did you like what Kimbo stop a good wrestler from taking him down

11:49 guys like Roy Nelson, and he handled it like real nice guy always cool with everybody you know but despite his appearances he looked like I agree 100%. But what he represents with the body of work that he's done in the... And then he goes on to beat Rafael in terms of how it comes to matchmaking Dodson might have lost to Lineker, Yeah, exactly. Tough to finish those guys.

14:42 That's where really I was like, wow. Because these guys had full gas tanks. He's a devastating puncher. Helped him through it. Like I said, we just mentioned it on our podcast. especially leading up to the fight where it appeared that he had gotten, Well, he was also able to stay real calm in that, you know, world championship spotlight. No, I thought as good as anybody Tim Kennedy's another one handled as good as anybody. Yeah, some guys

17:45 grueling, tough fight, I don't know why head kicked him. and then after that one So it's, yeah, and that's, you know, too unfortunate that, and I don't see what it accomplished is anyway. Yeah, we saw that he had the guillotine, we saw Stipe do this, and we went, oh, no. Brennan had Matsuokaoka in the arm bar. He's got a lot of great setups with Kimura.

19:55 Right. Sakuraba all the way back. But that, you know, the guy doesn't make many mistakes. Team Quest? Yes. Oh, Matt Lindland? Yep. Oh, yeah, man. That's the thing. God bless him, man. he was in his prime. how much damage he took from Bob Sapp. When he piledrived him into the ground. Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah, who didn't? that adapted and beat Mirko

24:01 He's accurate. Okay, yeah. And then they brought that piece and they put it next to the piece when he fought Verdum. I don't remember that fight. Is that what the problem was? I feel like you couldn't hit to the head on the ground? Is that how it worked? Yeah, was that it? I have no clue. I feel like you couldn't hit to the head on the ground. Why didn't you, my man?

25:58 pride in its prime. And I remember looking at him. Chuck brought Alistair over and Quentin Rampage Jackson. or is it you like the boxing entrance, it's pure, you know, the sport aspect of it? I agree. when they're about to go to war. end, I was like, let's take a look at that, you know, so No, this pageantry was amazing, for sure. Fuji TV. Like later.

28:35 So you just watch to see what happened. No, it's not as good, but it's still, I don't know, maybe because it's a more digestible size, In what context do you think she... Well, she went after mixed martial arts because she said the word arts, and then she riffed it. trying to smash bones in your face, incredibly difficult to do. That was incredible. That was like a movie

30:30 in order to slam him. I saw it coming, But then the replay, though, you did see they did smash heads violently as well. And there was a guy, too, with so much potential, right? the UFC. And he comes up with the cup. And he brings it back up and he sets it down. It was, to me, the earliest example for me and Pride, How Aoki used to wear those tights

32:53 But girls can wear rash guard tops, right? Because I know what you said. Incredible leg attacks. Roll on your knees, man. Yeah, that's right. That's what I read. on his back and he big swing Eve Edwards, he did the coolest thing, what I always Man, he was a part. He stands on one leg. What do I watch? Tatsuya Kawajiri. Yeah, fight pass. Mauro challenged Enzo.

36:05 much, Joe. How, when we say experiment, no, and I'm not that interested. Come on, Coleman and Randleman walk in and all of a sudden, you know, I'm still, I'm not feeling And Bosco goes, I gave him three percocets you did what and then all of a sudden almost on cue it it hits me and i end up Right. So you really thought in some strange world that you were going to be able to beat up

37:45 I don't think I'll be doing Percocets anymore. I'll stick this is over. We're not gonna But what about our boy, my boy Frank Shamrock? Don Anson, in your way, a lesson in the course almost resulted in it. And he hit Randy with some hard kicks from off of his back. But what about our boy, my boy Frank Shamrock? It almost became a brawl because of what Frank did.

38:58 You guys had like real street fights in the back. the whole show starts. of the freaking ceiling. He's just walking and suddenly he separates himself from the group. That's right. Rodrigo is that your last name the boxing How strange. We had some good times with him. No, I'm thinking that whole crazy altercation we had with all the bounces, that was Randleman also. Buddy, the very first New Year's Eve we spent in Japan for Shockwave,

41:31 And even high and grace, he kept saying, Mauro, don't worry. What are you going to be okay about? And he has this attitude. And we're in this weird, what is it? both these guys down don't talk to me like this. You smoke a little weed. because they're bringing it right now. So right those are the guys calling you right now But in the whole altercation when everybody started jumping, that's when Quentin left.

43:43 Yep. Did you see people with, like, they were missing fingers and tattoos? Like a little feminine, really weird. place there. So the next day, he and I, we go to this dungeon, like five stories under the ground, right? This guy, you come in, he starts screaming. and he did a great work. That's what they said. It was the craziest thing. He may have even maybe had an interest in Masato.

46:23 and Masato whipped those legs up. If you can see a top flight American boxer fight against a kickboxer, you know, in his prime. Who was it that took one kick and got out of the ring? Oh, it was in K-1, right? Yeah, it was a blonde guy. Like every time. Gomi at the time was really good as well. Sergey Haritonov early in Pride K-1 fights, and then recently got back

48:45 And Fofchanshin, what happened to him? a mounted triangle and started smashing his that was a really the whole trip was a wild trip. Ask Charlie Anzalone, you know, from Vegas. Varelans was like 330. I really think MMA would be better off with a larger surface and no cage. Right. Four cameras is not going to work. Yeah. and then there'll be a front row, and then there's got to be some sort of dividing line

51:41 Yeah, anybody who's in the front row. It's a very grueling aspect to MMA when guys are tied up against a cage and they're clenching I think the more factors you can remove, like extraneous factors outside of your opponent, But I really feel like it's an extraneous. Put the fans on the, electricity on the fans. against the fence But you know, the difference going from a ring to a cage is already huge.

53:20 Not last week, last month or so. Remember those kids? almost seriously hurting himself as well before he got the goat's vagina. Yeah. and while I'm getting the massage And it's a big daddy good race. And so he can go. Yeah, we should explain to people what it means. by dropping elbows like that. But still, you don't want to hit a skull. Yep, Matt Hamill.

56:52 Yeah, maybe, maybe. You should. I couldn't believe it. Didn't he do it to Tamora? Melvin was coming up in his prime, and Sakuraba was on the way down, And you've got to pull it up to see if I'm right. He falls down, you see his hat, boom, on the cup. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Right here. with the steel cup. And it's like he was sprawling almost. goddamn weapon. Press it into the thing.

59:50 That's a legal move in MMA. Matt Littlen knocking himself up, but different ways. In my class. Isn't that funny when people learn things and you go, oh, well, there's that now. And then it just sort of had a change, a change you know it had a people have to evolve i was like that we saw it in early days with the kickboxing thai books and robin deckers you know

1:01:40 When we go back, I remember doing voiceover for some Pancrase fights for Fight Network in Toronto say, and it's Like arm bars, everybody knows those. But it's just about that. Yes. And people don't know what to do with them. now i have no idea why i didn't he's like i got 20 years of wrestling you would think i would use it It's like, who puts the other person in grave danger?

1:04:30 He had him in far more danger. like little minute details in guillotines that you never know. competition. Yep. You know, and then Cody McKenzie had that the best guillotines I've ever seen in straight grappling competition. He's in my class like a while ago. I mean, that was a scary guillotine. It's a blood choke. But, again, another guy represents redemption in the sport, and you hear, you know, like a suitcase. But again, another guy represents redemption in the sport.

1:06:24 that someone who loses a fight doesn't come back and wins. world champions? when you're trying to take them down. And Mirko Krokop was I mean, you're seeing all these new approaches constantly changing. Yeah, I agree with that, too. He's so talented. I think it's a bad matchup. Okay, but I— Do you—why do you think he's still fighting? worried about gassing out so then he went with marv marinovich right so he does these two camps

1:09:31 He was just a different animal back then, training philosophy too the marinoviches and uh in a lot of ways um uh some of the guys that uh Plyometrics. On the bus back when Tito lost to Frank, cardio monster and he started beating everybody. Like, what I'm saying is- After a workout, I would do seven six-minute rounds in the Thai pads, full blast. It's the Bas Rutte workout with the sprawls.

1:12:05 And not just to say they lost because of cardio over there, What are names that come to mind? You could also say the same thing about Cody and Dominic. It frustrated me the most. Well, Diaz, too, right? twice. That's incredible, man. He corrected me Look, I thought, like, do you know how crazy it would be if Conor fought Nick next? You know, but they're already saying that Conor, that, you know, he shouldn't have fought

1:13:58 Oh, fuck yeah. That stamina. Listen, old my friend. you're not going to feel it during the fight. You're just not. was like 1,200. You're a little flesh bag on a planet. This is eight, ten years back. So I'm eating it. So I'm going to hit. It was the funniest thing. Wow. Oh, that's hilarious. And it's caught. a water hose, in Santa Monica. I just work out the arm and the shoulder.

1:18:02 Once the nerve is broke, you take that out, it's gone. and we were talking about neck injuries you got to get on it right away. All these guys, they want to keep going to jiu-jitsu, even when their back's fucked up That was the thing with me. Why didn't you go sooner? And all my teeth A-frame. I realize I'm going to fall. you know with no loose teeth

1:20:43 when they were doing A little lighter. rob a bank, right? they could tell it wasn't counterfeit, but they'd always look and go, what is this? Hold on, hold on. like they say, who I know made like in cash? Yeah, you definitely don't want to give the Yakuza. He took one bill off. It looked cool when you came back. That's one of the most You beat the fuck out of everybody.

1:23:05 It's one of the Pride or Pluck. There's no such I have a Waleed Ismail t-shirt from like 1998, He had 400. I remember he was telling a story, I couldn't do it before. I said, give me the syringe with the whitest gouge. He puts some shades on like you go, yeah, that was maybe a weird thing to do. eye and I could see again. Jesus into the bag under your eye and suck blood out

1:26:04 My daughter's filming. At the time, I drank non-alcoholic beer. So I pull my pants down and I saw that cut. for a promotion for the body action system. I did the whole workout at noon in the sun on the top. Then they put another two bags in me. And I've been asking them. You know? Escaped the hospital because I was dehydrated. So I asked the girls to find a needle.

1:28:37 with alcohol swipes, all that stuff. Oh, so he's an actor. You go, bloop, it goes in really fast. It doesn't go in. Yeah, but it's better going to the hospital for four hours, right? Really works. Oh, Jesus. You know what was the dumbest thing He couldn't get it out. Oh, my God. What a fucking retard. You're not a three-year-old. Yeah. nine shows. But you know, when there's a problem...

1:32:00 It was the most DVR'd show they set. night, like, oof. Everybody's gone. Mondays we drop the Combat Sports Carousel, Bazzito. You're a busy dude, man. But timing, and they were upset that I didn't go to Germany and everything else, but the one thing I've always liked about MMA, That was the deal that broke the proverbial camel's back with Strikeforce in Showtime.

1:34:33 And Strikeforce, as we know, look what the alum have done in the UFC. But there is something to be said for competition, for sure. that maybe a lot of people have not totally become aware of, Why do you think Laurie is not making a bigger imprint right now in America? I understand that, and I think that's UFC Fight Pass 2 now. It's just, Well, look, we do this for a living,

1:37:00 to follow muay thai good luck with all that with all that as well yeah i mean there's there's too Again, Ernesto Hoos was there, all these Nikki goes, okay, but boom, still owe me money, bro. And I think, and Bukal was there, remember? you know, there is growth. It's not, I don't think, I think people have seen too much reality TV. It's like everything else we do in life when it's good or when it's successful let's keep going let's

1:39:14 I think Netflix is the way to go nowadays because you decide when you want to watch Thank you. But how do you monetize it? they'd be so crazy and so exciting Do whatever make gloves. That's not a bad idea. Yeah. And the ratings, the numbers are, I mean, look at Watterson and Paige Van Zandt for a variety of reasons. People want to watch just really good fights.

1:41:51 Just for whatever reason, that fight's not my fight. it's always the lighter weight classes. do you think the roster is too big or you're happy with the way it is now in terms of fights? So, holy shit, now the kid's a star. But he's also only a couple fights into his career. to a guy like Damian Maia. Access TV has done a good job, RFA, Because he's got a great point.

1:44:10 If he beats him. Yeah. That's what I always say. That's what I like. But didn't panic and And John just wouldn't to some fighters to their mental state. with a front leg sidekick to the body. and they're going to take him out. Did Silva use him on Maya? hyperextends your knee. It's like, it is a very effective technique. and they stopped the fight.

1:47:10 Or do you think it should be allowed? What happens there? I mean, how does that work? when the guys, they just put the hand, And his other foot was up. He said that expression that everybody uses, three points, more than three points, like two feet and a hand, it's illegal to hit the person when they're down. That's weird. So that's why I said it's an easy defense.

1:49:33 high, just right to the For wrestlers, headbutts. Headbutts were nuts. Why can't you head butt? Is it a concussion You know, I would tell the people, hey, there's nothing going on. You're right. That was scary. Yeah. He fell right into it. Well, that's also what they said about the UFC game cover, right? who appear on the cover of Sports Illustrated magazine

1:52:40 The list is insane. Before the Nick Diaz fight. Right. I think, yeah, for a lot of reasons, you should fight closer to a natural weight. You weigh 186. Okay, now we're going to check your hydration levels. Yep. Well, I've got myself down to 170. I mean, how many guys? You said it already in the beginning. They always blame other Look at the old days, man.

1:55:19 And then let's hope that the next weight class is going to do better. I don't even think that's true. 145 is a brutal struggle, too. She walks around on it. because they have too many weight classes. 20 pounds. Yeah, 225. Yeah, Lesnar is cutting a lot of guys, man. There's been 17 different people missing weight since then. Right. Shouldn't they be punished and penalized even more, though?

1:58:23 Well, obviously they made Calvin go up to 185 in his next fight. and then eventually when he got on his feet, man, way too swift on his feet. So he lost that. really going to do it. I think Calvin should fight at What happened to Johnny Hendricks? No, he doesn't look like he works as hard. It's weird. Yeah, weird. It's weird. You know, and it's unfair to question someone whether or not they tested positive for anything,

2:00:40 I have no clue. Yeah, not enough. That's it. Remember when he hit John Fitch and went flying? that against a wonder boy. He hit a bat, one to the body, and then Johnny then Johnny like nods his head like you got me and then Well, when Ellenberger talks shit about him, like all the spinning kicks, it's a waste Yeah, it's not a waste. They're more to measure, you know, and to hold the opponent at bay, and then suddenly

2:02:37 Also, outside of fighting. Yeah. It's hilarious It's a very unusual, almost a karate-based style. Yep. Because his stance is too wide, His low kicks are hard. His left, what do they call it, dutchie? That fight has to happen. I think that's a money fight. they might have to fucking build a new soccer stadium. are overrun with people who say Habib time, Habib rather, are overrun with people who say, Habib time, Habib time.

2:05:44 But like if he fights Conor, when Michael Johnson cracked him and rocked him, I went, oh, boy. And conversely, the same thing, right? in his armor. Yep, yep, yep. and where he comes from. See what happens. MMA and combat sports, the memes, the use of social media to really get so cool, man. I mean, I don't think. And had she been training at all before then?

2:08:20 A whole Hollywood career rides on it. I like to see a Ronda with a smile on her face go to the ring, But you know, as well as I do, there's these gym guys who are really good in training. with all the crap she had on her shoulders. And she puts you on the end of these long punches. doing it, I'm just saying what I don't see, upper body clinch, and she always reaches in with the left arm.

2:10:26 Cody Garbrandt, remember? as great as he was because he knew that Anderson Silva was at the top of the mountain like you see Because of how good Mighty Mouse is. whiteman had a very clever move that a lot of people missed and what he did was he threw a So when he went back right, that's when Chris Wyman cracked him with that long left. If you connect with a left hook, you're way too close.

2:12:37 Why did Weidman even want to go for that? Yep. The wrestling of the high-level Olympic caliber and yet power to go that. What a super freak this guy is going to be. That right kick that he throws, outside leg or inside leg, It's working for him. He just has to manage it. So they're in the championship rounds. then we'll see what happens. He still came back to fuck Kennedy up.

2:15:35 and a guy, I mean, obviously the jiu-jitsu. And what happened? No, definitely not. and he looked into it. A lot of people say, why? There's a lot of stuff that works. and they do IV vitamin drips, and extreme concentration on their nutrition, and they have results. Because you get a Starbucks. Caffeine is illegal. Well, that's the other thing, too.

2:18:51 So why even? Well, geez, I had a mortgage. say if you have a knee surgery and then you take steroids and you're lifting weights the You know, I remember I was talking about it. I got that face which you have now, too. Baseball players have to go in front of Congress. You need to be faster. Jesus Christ they almost kicked You know they use the old samples from 2008 and 12 and they've already kicked out to a Russian Olympic gold medalist in wrestling

2:21:59 And Ryzen is available for guys who don't want to be clean. I was going backstage with the camera, So then... I said, man, wouldn't it be great if you can taste what fighter it is? But there you go. It said it on the thing. Fuck. Yeah, it was bench pressing. They wanted him to fight 185. Yeah, that's the problem. Well, it depends on how much you're doing.

2:25:25 Everybody was on. Diuretic, right? Rogan right now. This is amazing. of factors. Once they start When you're banging a chick and you see werewolf back hair. The girth is less. and we were talking about that, I go, Even though it's a woman's vagina, it's still a vagina. I love it when you do this to me. my father. I mean, you got all So do you think that when you guys look at rising right now Do you think the rising has the possibility of coming they're putting on some fucking big shows? Yeah, they've got some good fights

2:28:30 You have seen it with the K-1. who was a superstar. Yeah, K-1 Max. Yeah, K-1 had Masato at the lighter weights, who was a superstar. He broke his arm. But again, see, these names. man, that's the guy who trains champions. 265, super jacked, and then he goes to MMA. It didn't hurt me. Oh, yeah. Right on. He knocked out Botter with a left hook. Oh. Yeah. Complete animal. Yeah, heed again. Back when he knocked out Botter. Oh, yeah.

2:30:32 I was so excited, but he broke his leg. for him to come back and put it in, and boom. this kid from Canada who's now going to be fighting in Los Angeles next week. Medically, the concussions It just popped up. Yeah, it's interesting also that, like, we know we're talking about kickboxing not really gaining ground in America. He wrote the letter, yeah, yeah.

2:32:35 But you're right. But then you look at guys, and there's a few guys in Bellator like Lima, who just knocked Who was it? He knows he can take a punch, but he takes too much advantage of it. It is hard. We have too many events. But I would like to see a challenger emerge. That knockout was No, no. That was Half's last fight, right? It's very hard. He's retiring.

2:35:37 Has to touch something of the of the brain that does something to you right? Him and Monhoof. Monhoof and O'Jerry you know try to he's coming out with everything. There's no way around it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember when he came back to Pride, that New Year's Eve show, and Goodrich knocked And then in the Pride, the rematch was years later in Pride on New Year's Eve, and it was

2:37:50 I forgot about that. but Duho Joy took how many shots? his punches were crazy. It was insane. That was a crazy fight, too. He's 100% convinced he's going to get a title. Oh, Max was? Should we get rid of interim titles through and through? and then nine months before you can start training hard and it's sent down to the history books, right? Which one do you don't think makes sense?

2:40:56 and they become the number one contender then. Here's the one title that I'm not going to defend. look like a man when you see him at 145. Yeah. I think that's, well, 45 is now Aldo. 100%. And the big one, of course, is Conor. how big he is in Russia. got personality for sure i like him he's um you know he's a real wild card in that division because he's undefeated.

2:43:48 Because he's got a dream. But he fucked up in saying that he had to but the Nevada State Athletic Commission was like, look, He's a dark horse. Yeah. Literally and figuratively. Yeah, yeah. But wow. do it go get the surgery what about that French heavyweight and gun who he's dark he's yeah yeah yeah yeah but Wow he's he's you're talking about Romero that I

2:45:19 It's just heavier. It was crazy also. It's fucking crazy. What did you learn? Great way to go out on an epic career. Oh, yeah. Wow. He didn't respect the media. He... But he, wow. Well, the prank was this. So I went to Croco and I said, listen, I'm going to interview Waterman. And sure enough, when he left, I look at Mauro, So we go to the dressing room with him.

2:48:56 And suddenly Mirko stops and he says, And he's looking at me. You know, and he doesn't want to ask questions anymore. And Mirko suddenly, Mirko gets up and says, you know what? We need one more question. And he goes, dude, this is all just a joke. And then he was in on it. Yeah, for sure. Well, he was one of the first real high-level kickboxers to enter into pride.

2:51:07 There's a small cunt over his right eye. Well, a lot of people thought that that fight kind of ruined Vandeley. And he's between the ropes and blood flowing from his. Well, he was about to fight Mirko in the Rizin thing, and he didn't. I'm not the one to say by any means, but what's the point? Now, what do you guys think about what happened with Vandele?

2:52:42 Yep. Yeah, he, what was the first Alistair over? Yep. I'm guilty. Oh, yeah, forever. But did he do himself any favors staring in front of the camera. Yeah, I mean, I don't even know out and how you know are you training at all anymore no only just water exercise on the water I would love to do that. He had a bunch of good money A superstar. To capture the public's imagination.

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