Joe Rogan Experience #908 — Leah Remini Transcript

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0:00 James is a wild man. You don't understand. Gotta abandon all that crazy talk we were just talking about. Thank you. First Scientology, right. did believed that we were doing amazing things for the world so they go into it Like I would never tell when I was in a non-Scientologist my real problems. you're taught. Correct. Now you, you kind of grew up in it. Yes. How old were you when you? Nine,

2:48 was Catholic. So we got baptized as Catholics. And the only time we really went to church was that you're not a child. And so, you know, as children, you have kids, you know, they always Kids are always trying to exercise their power, you know. Because, you know, again, I'm going from a dad who tells me to, you know, shut the F up and talk when I talk to you.

5:10 And you don't realize that, Joe, until you're out. Well, I was watching a scholarly documentary once on Christianity, and they were referring to it as Yes. Yeah, and you're taught that. Like when you say you went in every day. So then if I couldn't, like let's say on a tape day, I couldn't. I'd have to put in the time. I'd have to make up the time when I got back, I'd have to put in on weekends, like, let's say if my schedule was, you know, 12 to 2.30 to go in, then I'd have to go in

7:50 You have to write essays. You have to do clay demonstrations. So you're really brainwashing two and a half hours every day and are you trying to move your way up the going to be but it's preset prices so you start on these self-improvement courses and then you get onto this actual chart still want spirituality in their life. And I think it spoke to the people of the time.

11:01 And they could say anything and they do say anything that immediately makes me not want to talk to you ever again. And then become an enemy. are these things true about Joe but now with the internet with social media it's harder and harder course it gave you some confidence it gave you a true belief in yourself and Yeah. So you never went to high school?

12:58 Yeah. true or I got my GED you know so I did things like that too to but the original words, I'm using a dictionary. I would have learned these things by being a good human being, being around other people. you know what i'm saying so it but not knowing that it was available to me in the real world Why is his assistant here? But then when I went to my friends.

16:23 Sexy nails? You don't have to hold on to cans, but you do have to wear a cologne. Yeah, but then seeing my friend's reaction to it. says it's not what Joe thinks over on Hubbard said what Leah thinks it's what member in the Church of Scientology, and we were working on the same thing. I actually thought I You seem uncomfortable. No, no I think different adjectives, different words

20:01 Let's go back to the internal reports on Tom Cruise. And I saw you doing something that's not, like, for the book. Come on, fuck it. There's a policy called jokers and degraders. I'd have to write you up because let's say you went into like the next day for a session and you said they said, you know, they do the check. Right. That's the only time then.

21:55 And they'd go, okay, great. Who knew about it? Do you see what I'm saying? What was he jumping on couches for? First of all, that movie was awesome. It crosses over that roadhouse. Yes. Exactly. mother up I was writing my husband up he jumped up on Oprah's couch because he But I thought it was a it wasn't a good example because because I cared so much about my church and the work that we were doing

24:39 was about clearing the planet, it did not go with our intentions and our goals. and I need you to get this to the watchdog committee, seen behind the curtain. I was like, I don't want to see this. And I really thought I was going to I don't want to talk shit about another actor because we've all met asshole actors and we're not really supposed to be talking about them.

26:30 Clearwater. Because Tom found out about your report, so he decided that everyone who works for him has to take out a report on you. your evil intentions towards L. Ron Hubbard? And it was three months of this. It was and I had to Because if the fact that you're not letting go means that you're guilty of the crimes that you're saying. is tom cruise it was during my hiatus holy shit yeah yeah yeah that's what i'm doing most of the

28:52 Oh, God, you have to see it. But then the guy that he forgot, I'm just running. But, you know, they were looking at times where he didn't stick up for himself or where he pussied out of something. just like she had she was she didn't know what was going on. But I made him a Scientologist. Best of both worlds Are you a slapper? And I'm not telling my family what I'm going through.

31:24 No, no, they assign you a person. You're in a room that's locked. who trains in scientology all you're trained to do, which what I was doing, I was training to administer Scientology to people, was learning to do that. And then there's also, it's open to suggestion, right? Well, the first thing they do is they, are you okay? I would imagine, too, that they have probably a pretty grand establishment in clearwater right it's probably intimidating like that's how a lot of like no cults and

34:05 and sort of bring as many people into this as you can because you're going to help them. It is probably the main goal of Scientology, No! Really? This is my man cave. You've never had pot? Why? You'll go on a journey on your life. It takes your blinders away. I didn't say pot. I think it's good for you. Well, then you don't need it. Yeah, okay back to what you think Oh make sex feel better. Makes food taste better. I'm married to a Puerto Rican, so I don't need that.

36:54 Congratulations to all of them. environment. Right. So it's super beneficial for them to be attached to it. Correct. You don't make a face. A lot. but it is justified because you believe Okay. You're going to make me pee. And then I would ruin it. One, or are you? And what would you put that body in? And he would just leave the room and he would know that you guys would take care of it.

40:47 I want you to look for yourself and make your own decisions. I watched the HBO special on it and it's stunning. Yeah. Like when you – Crazy accurate. The book one. bought all his tapes. I used to listen to it on a Walkman back in the day and read his books. I was in San Diego and I was filming That's what it seemed like to me. I was doing it as a goof.

43:15 Right. The guy didn't give a fuck. Well, I mean now, like Lawrence Wright's book. And you and Angela, I don't know if this is a good thing for your daughter. Like, you wouldn't push it. Yeah, so you're working constantly with people that are not in the church, right? they're not gonna be disrespectful to their lead actor they're not gonna go up That's so strange.

46:42 I mean, again, I want to make the distinction between, you know, listen, when you gain some success in this business, thank God, It is about the mission of Scientology, so anything is justified. really even the reason You didn't do anything. It doesn't matter. And it's not just me. They need to not make it about me. I think this is like a ball-less industry.

50:41 exist there you can google them and see that they exist well in their defense what you are is a magnet point because you are a not alleging anything. they were misinterpreting it or misinter saying. It says disconnection and suppressives. And it says exactly what when the church labels a suppressive person that you are only your only option is to disconnect.

52:16 is like an evil person evil with horns right they like hitler right you know that you're not So, yeah. You spend three fucking months getting grilled Yeah. Maybe like once every month. up i want you to tell me in writing and then you should also refund all my money that you spent A service you've received. because no lawyer is going to take on the Church of Scientology for free.

55:35 And then how does it go from there? Correct, the leader's wife. For sighing. Right. And then you're presented with, this is a lie. Does that make sense to you? Does this church ever do anything wrong? Read this. Like this is the kind of thing you go through. I never got one. for the first met like that that's what they're hiding behind and i'm calling bullshit to every

59:58 you today i i mean i've known you but we don't know know each other right but i'm really i kind Joe's a total dick, he's a fuck, you know, okay. and my kid's swing set is encroached. If I can see into your house, I will spy on you. But if I see people being bullied, if I see people being unjustly hurt, yes, I do. that was in charge of the case. He was being paid to speak at the Celebrity Center at a human

1:02:22 I'm going to take care of you. So you, what, didn't she release some sort of a statement or someone released some sort That's classified. like I filed the report. Of course, you're going to give me the information. I need to know if you Where did you see her? So she just sort of vanished she stopped going to is up behind gates in Riverside County The Scientologists. because it seems like...

1:05:41 Oh, yeah. I'm not talking about average Scientologists. But before that, I don't know the name of his boats, but I think it was called the Apollo. That was OT3. So you'd been in Scientology for years. You'd spent a ton of money already. A ton of money. And you're like? First of all, you have to get invited. You have to get an invitation. So you'd been in Scientology for years.

1:07:15 Because you have to be wealthy to get to this. And they rewrite some new thing. So talk me through. they go through every transgression are you still humping your pillow are you It's on Elrond Hubbard Way in Los Angeles and Fountain. She was also higher level than me right so imagine i'm in this like double like so you go I don't know. That's how you step up the comedy another notch.

1:09:54 You go into the room, a secure room. They scan your briefcase and they put the materials in the briefcase and they close you have your briefcase. Briefcase coming with you. or two doors or whatever it was, you sit down, you open up your briefcase and you read the material for the first time that make up, compose they're other beings. Maybe not the nails because they're acrylic.

1:11:51 Right. He's standing there to make sure, right? And then I want you to draw another one. They were put in volcanoes and blown up and packaged and Right. But she hadn't read this stuff yet? So that's the answer that's given to you. You don't need to believe it. You just need to do it Yeah, you could just Google Scientology e-meter. This question and then look at the meter and what the answer is.

1:14:57 Right. OT3 story, but I didn't know oh you can't tell people what the answers are because they're gonna get As she did. the boss. So they go, they tell you know, and you're like, well, maybe it's true. I don't know. I mean, I do sometimes hear voices, You know, listen, you believe what you want to believe at the time. I didn't understand. You never say that word out loud

1:17:56 which is like the justice department of celebrities, it you sound crazy and that's what we all say you sound crazy or you know And then you cross this line. That's really recent. I want to be on the path of being righteous. I that everybody who cheats is evil and horrible It gave me purpose. But this, it was so much bigger. don't have any evidence of. It's entirely possible. Like I think the universe is an incredible mystery.

1:21:20 I go, I love life. But that's the thing is finding those things for Scientologists, it's like a lot of my friends who didn't really know what I was going through in church go, you know, you're very kind of childish at times, you know, because I never went to dinner in my 30s and 40s and had wine. time, but I do have faith. That's the one thing that I have found and not in a weird way,

1:22:39 Why? that my mindset is kind of fucked up because I, I'm indoctrinated, like my brain developed as a young age, believing nonsense and never questioning it. I've been told my whole life what to do and how to think. I don't need my license renewed. And I don't know what it is, Joe. Like I said, I'm going to do it this way. This is the way we do it. Because that's in the beginning steps of Scientology.

1:25:13 You don't get to say that. It's a lot of work. like I haven't been I was like wait I'm smoking pot It has a different effect on everybody. Joe, that's crazy. You're on the wrong path. We're allowed to have different opinions. Because it keeps you from having to form your own opinions. I mean, it's very easy for people to just slot themselves into these patterns

1:29:08 whether it's because of whatever religion, fill in the blank. And so they answered the questions that needed to be answered for the IRS. are at stake with what we do in scientology don't you think the people who are like super hardcore And she'd go in and light a candle for her friend sauce. And she'd go in and light a candle I tell my daughter. I don't want you to believe in anything, although I did baptize her as a Catholic.

1:31:58 is a beautiful quote what is it cults bullshit it's created by one person that It's just something I read. bit jealous that we didn't have that right that we didn't get Easter dresses very different. This is a pay before you go proposition. There are repercussions to leaving. And a lot of it is based on the environment that these religions were established in,

1:34:54 he's to think a certain way about people or lifestyle mm-hmm and but she had the Right. But that's the thing. Well, absolutely the accusations about the Sea Org and about people making $15 a week I would love for that to happen, but that's not the reason for the show. weren't telling the truth you would have sued us so cut the shit already well that's what's

1:37:29 These are the policies of the church. Right. And again, it's a very heartbreaking message when you see these people and they're not I wasn't physically hurt. dependent on my relationship to the church of Scientology. You can understand that, right, from them being brainwashed? Right, but that truth is very damaging to their organization. the solution to life, to man's

1:40:06 We are extremists. As a matter of fact, I've seen celebrities who talk shit to me on Twitter and social media, not directly at me, and they run from me. Who do we have? I'm a bigot. right Laura prepon Juliet Lewis her brother And my husband even said to him, he goes, hey, Liefeld, I don't know. Beck. Did he come out with that song? Yeah, that's him.

1:42:31 Okay, this one's saying yes, so I believe him because he seems Beck-ish. Douche. Deep. The church says that? Oh, now you're past your time. But I don't need to work. You know that. you see me so you believe they just have misguided intentions but their intentions are correct as you It looked like this. running out these bad experiences that you've had maybe this lifetime maybe

1:45:45 Yes. I don't know. Going back. You're not, not bugs, baby. Beings? And something, she decided at one point in time, it's bullshit. Like I don't want you to continue then Then I would have turned her in. I would have. She didn't want to lose her family. Yeah. Did they go, hey, where are you going? Because I feel bad for, like, it was OT8. It's just incredible

1:49:24 but it wasn't like that's ever lived ever is that true yes he wrote more fiction than anyone who But you don't make that, you don't think self-diagnose himself. And you're like, yeah, every day. And who doesn't want that? So if she believes that it saved her life, it saved her life so if she believes that it saved She knows it's true. We're'm lying. About what? They say we're all lying, baby, not just me. We're all lying.

1:53:00 You don't care that people were being beaten. And so if I seem overly passionate about this subject, it's because I have heard these stories over and over again behind the scenes. And so the last thing that I want to be bothered with is bullshit from a celebrity who knows that we're telling the truth about what we have already spoken about, Because I would just assume like you would want your news from someone who doesn't believe a bunch of wacky shit.

1:55:08 Always, yes. I am well informed now. Well, average Scientologists do, but they're not watching shows like this. would you support somebody who is talking shit about you and your faith or your family and people you love? Because they're still in it. People who don't even have never stepped into a church way is a miracle. And so I hope to do something with them and I hope to make some change.

1:58:31 Yeah, you can read books. of this existed yeah you know um so yeah but i i believe in in uh um finding things that work for And what did your therapist say? But Scientologists believe that they have the answers. Like, that stayed with me for a second because I was like, I have a huge ego. She's right. She's right. I'm sure you've seen that video of Tom Cruise

2:00:48 Because you're all looking the other way because of time, because of Dave Miscavige, believe in my I believed that it was because I was a Scientologist that I It completely makes sense. to be insanely difficult to do it in your 40s after all these years of being involved in this crazy sort of organization. Because I see her. And then I'd be able to be with my goddaughter.

2:04:23 bullshit and we should be doing something about it. They pussy it out with disclaimers, but okay. I think they probably had to do that for You know, the one problem I had about. Like, come on. somebody who has knowledge of something that could help us prosecute, you need to come forward. They don't know. He beat you. Did you have to smack anybody around?

2:07:44 Blame I blame I blame Brooklyn. It's about having— Are they flogging these people? Or fuck you, swim to shore. They don't have a boat anymore? They have the Meta. Okay. They still have that. Probably in the Bahamas. Yeah. And what happens there? It's great. Where do you anticipate your battle with this taking with this i don't have a battle i hope that we kind of do um no because i i joe if you receive

2:11:43 Their best interest at heart and telling the story correctly, right? How many people are in it? at the Shrine Auditorium And we bought this building, and we bought that building, to let the church bully them or scientology bully And they stopped destroying families. These are not liars. I was hit. That my step, like like we gave our life Yeah. that it doesn't come without some repercussions to you. I'm sure. But I want you to know that I appreciate it.

2:16:02 No, seriously. They show it constantly. They'll find it. Google it, folks.