Joe Rogan Experience #939 — Chris Cage Transcript

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0:00 Sound good? Yeah, we're good. Five, four, three, two. They're like a brick filled with nutrients and food, Love the podcast. you how many months five to seven took me a little over six so you just hike for six months 10,000. That's a lot have done all three of those. The Pacific Crest Trail. Is that the Divide Trail. And I think less than 100 people have done all three of those.

2:39 And the Pacific Crest Trail, I believe, is like 25, 26, 2700 miles. All you hiking maniacs. And I joined with that in mind. And the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains are in North Georgia. like an adventure I want to do. So yeah, that was definitely the beginning of it when I was They're not spending money on hotels. But any given thru-hiker, that's what they're called, anybody that does, you know, starts in Georgia, ends in Maine,

6:13 Right. days of a town. So the trail kind of, you know, goes along the mountains. And then about every miles a day, the grime and the dirt that can build up. So when you come to town, you want to Yeah, it's kind of ironic. Like, But these fucking inner city creeps that I went to the Boy Scouts with It was like a total free fall for all. Like there was a rifle range where they would shoot.22s, and there was an archery range.

9:29 Fuck you. And when we went back, we went back to a hotel. you're hiking for seven days with muddy feet and your clothes stink and everything's gross and Assuming you're not getting any in prison. There is, right? There's an endurance side of it, but it's like... There is, right? and get away from society for a little bit. There was Pennsylvania. I wouldn't recommend that, but you do try to sleep in the shelters as much as possible.

12:38 There's no way I'm hiking on. glass pieces going in between their hands and just the way they were acting. with these cracked out people luckily i had um three other hiking buddies with me guys um and You know what? I don't even remember. Wow, that's a dope-looking little place. You sometimes won't even get logs. I've heard of these things in New Zealand.

15:14 Yeah, I think it's a safety precaution. hanging low on a branch oh look at her name passion flower passion flower with sad face How about this one? Okay. worked with I liked, but I definitely was able to recognize that that's not, I was not going to be change your your frequency the whole deal i mean you're a freak now you're you're wandering That is, I mean, was there ever a time where you were like halfway there where you're like,

19:06 No. but 10-15% of people that hike i think the first the first night i was on the at yeah i made good friends with you know two other Eric Rudolph. because you know that you have money on you because you have to make this trail. It's like the probability, if you think about the AT hikers as a city, There was a famous case. Oh, Jesus. So I'd been in New Zealand prior to DAT, and I had talked about not showering for a week at a time.

22:55 And yeah, I was sitting around a fire early on, Are you? I'm hairy. I'm a hairy And I did. But um also when they grow back, it's quite unpleasant But if you start shaving like your armpits right dudes who shave their armpits like hey, what's going on? have like these big like blocky tree trunk sloppy legs you'd want to keep them hairy. That way you look like some sort of a bear. You know?

26:02 If you decide to shave your eyebrows, Yeah, or if you left your mustache Hoverjob. You stop at some gas station somewhere and you got to take a shit. I did this show a while back on SyFy called Joe Rogan Questions Everything. And they create these, like, legions, these scratches. And he said that one of the things that these people that have Morgellons have in common,

29:16 Yeah, he was talking about how he saw a thread moving across his eyeball. Yeah, well, it's generally thought in all these different ticks. Some of them are more potent than others, and that there may be it was not there, but I saw it. It looks like a red circle that grows around the area where the tick bit him. Yeah, and they were in real bad shape.

31:35 Yeah, you can do that. I'm just relaying what this one doctor who had Lyme disease was saying, Trail life. There's another article, and I Googled Lyme disease I wear, like, a thin layer glove just to—also, it's good to protect your hands from the sun, But I never got Lyme. I wonder why that is. But there's a few in California, especially you see northern California has a bunch.

34:36 Ugh, covered. Oh, yeah. Generally, several times a day, you're going to cross at least a stream. Yeah. by the end of the AT, you talk about finishing in winter. Um, you know, it's like whenever you That's risky. I'll see a doctor eventually. Whoa, that doesn't count. Yeah, I mean, you've got a 19-year-old guy who's out of high school. It's probably the most popular

38:37 if you look at like It was like huge publicity. And have you heard of. It was like, wow, it's like huge publicity. But Wild was only released a few years ago. To the top. And I don't know if it's rainwater or if somebody actually goes out there and fills it up, Go ahead, Smooth. hitchhike in town that's kind of that that person then becomes a trail angel whoa but hitchhiking

41:07 No, I never went out there and put my thumb out and said, I'm going to get from here to there by hitchhiking. So you're talking about within the last 10 years you hitchhiked. Right. If you're, like, just outside of Manhattan, you got your thumb out, new zealand is higher standard of living than the states and i feel like you there's very low crime the taboo is kind of broken in new zealand it was like this is normal people or it's it's an

43:24 And I was in there come into my house or couch surfing But it was like, I remember that when that website was like really becoming popular about 10 years ago, people had that same idea. What the fuck does that mean? There's a graphic of a couch. Like, listen, bitch, you're not a fucking surfer. I mean, there are also like niche websites that have. Stay on my couch.

46:08 Reviews. Can I host one person only? Well-intentioned. They're not going to harm you. And Mike runs with it. Yeah. No, I can't relate to that. going to call them crappy jobs, but you know, cause I think they do provide a lot of things Well, people vary. you've only got like a few decades of good times. So you're in the middle of doing all this, right?

50:52 of the like the most epic climbs that's in Maine so if you go south you end in picture of that dude dude you can go hike that in one day yeah for sure that's you at least i It's not the... It's like... Now, who established this? So, imagine, 1930s, Yeah, the CCC at the time was helping construct all the trails. It was seriously one of the most emotional times of my life.

53:50 getting there was like by that time like i had stress fractures forming in my feet and uh yeah But I switched to trail runners. But yeah, I switched to but yet they're still built like a running shoe, very light. that I was rolling ankles so much in the first, like, 100, 200 miles of the trail, When I used to go hunting with my dad when I was a kid, we would wear those boots.

56:25 And some really good hunters, they wear them exclusively. make sure that you're not getting irritants dirt and pedals and shit and debris did you ever wear And it's like, you know, prior to the AT, I'd been backpacking for over 10 years, Because weight's an issue. Every ounce, man. I think the hunting I was doing was pretty amateur aren't made to count

59:23 bit more, and a lot of people think they're not as accurate Some people like heavy bows because you hold steadier. 8 to 10? Glassing meaning you lock either binoculars or a spotting scope on a tripod in and then they make a camp versus people that keep their camp on their back all the That's pretty standard. So you put the pack frame on. country hunts i had the same idea as you did i thought hunters were like oh the duck dynasty

1:02:40 with camo, and you're hiding. You're going up thousands of feet of elevation every day, You got to get real fit. The group of them, the elite of the elite, there's so few. and he ran up the hill like a fucking mountain goat, they do where they compete against each other The barbell thing is a completely new invention by the outdoorsmen. There's these weird ideas that people have in their head about what hunting is.

1:06:10 Yeah, they just can't make it. You know those things like when people step up with one leg at a gym, Like doing dirt bikes because you're constantly pumping one leg at a time. I did it with my daughter, who's 50 pounds, and for a mile up the hill, Sweat was pouring down my head. They're carrying their weight deep into the mountains. Or they're pack out.

1:08:40 Mm-hmm. And as far as volume, like how much stuff you need. uh just like maybe like workout clothes like a synthetic short sleeve top maybe even running Right. Merino. arguments on both sides uh i personally like synthetic just because i feel like it dries I don't want to talk bad about Osprey. But they have this... Oh, okay. What's the name of the pack so we can

1:12:41 like a handful so there it is right there. Competing. Yeah, that's it. I just don't see the argument for breathability back there. They use that for bow strings. A little more affordable. they're probably more affordable than some of the other options. length like you know what you might not fit me right yeah it's like yeah I went So do you have to, can you adjust it for her?

1:15:08 It's hard to do because, like, your local REI, I don't know. But still, at the end of the day, it's like a pair of shoes. or something along those lines. There are hunting boots, like Crispy and Canitrac, the, They're traveling for seven fucking months. Really? like much much better it's much more secure right so it's like more threads a half a liter or a liter at a time, it's fine.

1:18:19 Okay, Sawyer Squeeze water filtration system. Do you use one of those tubes? That's pretty good stuff. Oh, right. and they have like a warranty and get another one. You're supposed to back flush it. Yeah. I know. Yeah, I saw some of that smoke coming into L.A., and I connected it to Mexico City when I mean, when you get the volume just literally from dust and dirt

1:21:46 That's crazy. I mean, there's a reason why people, why they've set those standards, pollution, not even driving because the gas tank is not airtight and fucking fumes leak Look at that. China's awful. I was just about to say, Beijing, have you been to China? No thanks. And you're exercising every day, all day. What are you doing in Guatemala? And then we'll be in Europe and then, you know, Asia.

1:25:33 There are a lot of people. The next thing you know is they're replacing their old salary at their old gig. It's probably better than being trapped somewhere. Yeah, no doubt Yeah. My friend Steve Maxwell. Yeah. He has a bag that's about that big, He got divorced. Feathered your nest with. It's not real. It's like you've nestled, you know. Acquired. Yeah, feathered your nest with.

1:28:38 Yeah, it's close to home. You can hike all day long. So it's very similar to here. No, but I live in California. Just a week. Wow. Yeah, Thai is like that crazy language. a lot of people speak Spanish. Yeah. That would be a great thing to know on Thailand, but it's like Spanish is much more of a sin. It's like, okay, a lot of people speak Spanish. But I don't know the numbers.

1:31:40 good point watch it well I should know this I should have already asked this Like if you sent a late night booty call this is just like What about a cell phone? Oh. surrounded by volcanoes, It's enough to kind of like find a gym, we committed. you know, to just say, let's try living in another country. but Antigua's. Yeah. we go to, So I'm in Antigua now.

1:35:13 has the highest percentage of indigenous people. I don't know. They had a very strange language where it's like the letters or the images represent sounds. Do you know who McKenna is? Well, not necessarily. Dead culture. We try to figure out how you would say these words I was going to say that sounds like Nat Geo. I don't know what they actually call them.

1:39:07 Really bizarre, fascinating stuff. So below him is fire. they were probably imagining the future i mean if i if I had to guess, I would say that these ideas were probably very psychedelically based And he took us on this grand tour but one of the things but it was amazing like to think that you're standing on the ground where these people Apparently there's evidence that they knew about the procession of the equinoxes, which is a 20-something thousand year cycle of wobble of the Earth.

1:42:26 No idea. Not just move. Like, it's one of the things about one of these other documentaries that I watched was that they were trying to mimic Well, it was just a weird language, but they Yeah, and I have no idea what the correlation is between the current descendants and what you're talking about. ago. Here it is. Oh, 900 AD. So that's 300 or 400 years before Genghis Khan. The old trip to Jerusalem, 1189 A.D., 900 A.D.

1:45:42 Yeah. parallel sort of building techniques, but different than other parts of the world Right when that bar was built. See if you can find out this is what the Mayan language sounded like. I don't know if that's the same. It says, attention Mel Gibson. Did he mix it in with stuff? But imagine he would hire some sort of language experts That's where the discrepancy is in that maybe he said he used it all and she's saying i speak it and i didn't recognize much what you were well she's

1:49:36 Those strange, almost African-looking faces. That's been widely criticized too. You seen that? No, the Olmecs. back where you just were what does it say there 900? 900 B.C. 900 B.C. Dealing with this. No bueno. But cool shit. And they've recently, because of satellite images, found a hidden city. where they might have had cities and streets. We talked about this recently.

1:54:23 didn't have this stuff like how long would it be before there was no evidence? We'll never have any awareness of. Do you have any other wild plans or places to go? And I was just like, I liked it. I was like, okay, maybe California is on the radar. Yeah, yeah. And it's super dense forest up there. Yeah, it is. It's really interesting. And it's super dense forest up there. Like really dense because it's constantly raining. And what's really

1:56:28 It's very green. Did you find him? This much of white guys camping? But there's a lot of people out there that claim they've seen things but i just think they're but i think like what what our memories are good for is like recent events like or things that are catastrophic like don't go near the snake the snake will kill All over the place, yeah. That's the other part of the problem.

1:59:09 She's probably on pills. Idaho has fucking grizzly bears. She goes and tells people. you know, Congress seems to shut down about Oh, God. But, yeah, I was hiking through the night one night and, yeah, like the sun was rising. It was just like, poof. a couple weeks something I mean some hikers we knew like literally hold up in You came up with this because you needed more nutrition while you were out there.

2:02:43 yeah i came over um to the states and right after eat. Then I came over to the States. The highest calorie meal replacement bar on the market was a 400 calorie, I believe, MetRx. You know, some of those workout high protein bars. I'm really burning up to 5,000 to 6,000 calories a day. like, let's make something that packs in some calories, you know?

2:04:30 I mean, it's just a normal day, like not hiking or anything crazy. I knew nutritionally. I had an idea of where her you know um search around and see you know what kind of person could help me i was looking i really they're delicious you know my favorite one is a chocolate one though what is that which as long as you're pretty consistent with a high-fat content diet.

2:07:05 invented it. He's a scientist out of the university of Florida. Interesting. Yeah. There's, there's your body's burning fat, you're eating fats, so get a balanced perspective on it i listened to um i don't remember his name but it was a Yeah, that must be Rob Wolf. Impressive, dude. And everyone's nutritionally different. is there not something out there, just a simple blood test or something,

2:09:56 How much stress are you under? cranked out how to hike the AT. So it's