Joe Rogan Experience #945 — Dr. Roddy McGee Transcript

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0:00 Five, four, three, two, one. How are you, buddy? He was very talkative before the podcast, folks. You did John Dudley's, which was excellent. To me, it's better because I can hear if things are wrong. some really significant shoulder issues before you treated it and it's amazing the results and that we're using is not new in terms of the tissue or that type of thing, but it's actually the

2:59 And the potential for there to be wound healing without scarring. So it bypasses a lot of the ethical concerns And then they have been screened. Now, that's taken by the company that has harvested, and they have their processing center, which also has to be so now the the next thing of what you said um let's talk a little bit about uh president bush and that whole discussion so first of all that is about embryonic stem cells

6:13 Or in the case of that first five days of life, those individual cells can actually become a complete organism. say it that's just the term for the initial you know the ball of cells that's formed and how many Wow. And I'm not like a reproduction specialist, so we might be getting, you know, out of my and so somebody has demonstrated that you could then thaw that cell and it still has the opportunity to divide, produce, and become a living thing.

8:56 to continue to research that and develop it and find it. So President Obama in 2009 lifted the ban on the federal funding. the umbilical cord, the Wharton's jelly is a mucus type substance that's around the arteries of the starts to layer out into these three layers. So you have endoderm, ectoderm, mesoderm. Now, that's a directed and ordered approach in embryology.

13:14 in Reno and Lake Tahoe area before that. They would this he's the one that developed the elements along with blood. And they were able to see with time and, you know, there were occasions You could kind of flake off or, or in some cases just didn't form as well as, you know, And we'll kind of talk about the differences and stuff like that. 2012. they were actually seeing more space between the bones on some of these serial x-rays. So,

17:16 or there's a, you know, these syringes that you can pass it through a filter Yeah, exactly. So the red cells separate out, and you can easily see that in the tube. um, you know, where it's available and we have, you know, published stuff to look at. And naturally some people do better than others But you don't so far? Daniel Cormier had that done. Yeah, so that means a bad thing.

20:33 You know, I mean, especially if you're dealing with people that are broken apart. mine i think how long ago was it i think it was july of 2015 yeah so i kind of came in pretty I was pretty impressed with, you know, what he told me about how he was, what he was able to get back to after, you know, he had been treated He's like, cause I thought that when I examined you too,

22:48 Between jujitsu and kickboxing and kettlebells and archery. probably three months. I mean, it can be longer than that. It depends on the patient. Somebody like you that And it naturally will take longer to improve. I mean, we'd almost have to hold you back. I know you feel good. put them in a situation that's unsafe. So it's always a, it's a balancing act.

26:01 their overall health is poorer, you know, and what their response might be. it's always constantly under stress? Definitely has to be a part of it. You know, I think it's Um, and so, and the other side of it too, is we're, we're in a, we're in a system now where So, you know, in a typical orthopedic practice, you don't have a ton of time to go through all of this with every patient.

28:40 there's some belief that that may either assist the cells in proliferation or their ability to, you know, have as robust a response as possible. Companies can't be making those claims about their products, And I think there would have to be some kind of biopsy or blood test and, you know, sample, like have people go through each of those things and control for all those factors.

30:36 lazy and they didn't want to lose weight. And so they went in the sauna and they thought they might be heat shock protein. So serious stuff, right? shock proteins. So she's saying it just won't be as robust. She's never taken one of my baths. diminishing returns where the sauna becomes detrimental versus beneficial yeah and i wonder they're going to see if they're comfortable with what they're being told and what's being offered.

33:43 Maybe 90. There's a comparison study with PRP on tennis elbow or lateral epicondylitis, comparing that to corticosteroid injections, which is a common treatment for attempt to give pain relief. I mean, I know what it is. Time is going to tell us what things pan out clinically to be best. 29 are animal, there's six, six or seven that are a human trial. I, I just saw this review paper and

37:11 So in this case, it was the BMAC or bone marrow aspirate. I had a meniscus scope on my left knee from an ACL injury that I had. So it locked my knee out. problems with it since zero nothing it's like like i don't even acknowledge that i have a knee that's and there's just so much. I say that a lot. I would put ice on it. I have zero pain in it today.

40:39 hey, you have an 80% chance of success. You're like, I'm in. Yeah, I'll take it. Well, also for And with a normal meniscus, it's evenly distributed into the, you know, he kind of twists the one leg a little higher. Or he puts a piece of wedge under there. Let's continue. Like, you're going to have some pain. lifestyle is foolhardy. There's definitely that. I mean, I had a conversation.

43:26 You have lower risk you've got to stop doing that. that all that stuff Yeah. It's like, look, I know you want to keep doing this. Okay. No. Or a knee replacement, rather. you know, economic reward. Oh my God. If they could fix a knee and turn a knee into a superior knee to the knee that you have now. you know, applying it to the bone and having bony ingrowth into the implant.

46:41 Did you? It's an incision about that long. It's gnarly. Yeah. They all get infected. They doihuahua. Yeah. Okay. It's gnarly. Yeah. by the bacteria adheres to the metal. But the You're a doctor. Go large with that, sir. First of all, what am I looking at there? And then your foot's just attached to your regular shin below it. had to resect. And then still another reason would be in the case of tumor where you're doing limb

49:54 have staph and other bacteria nervous oh daddy whoa boy, that seems really odd. That's incredibly traumatic then. So you think that could be something down the line that they could be able to accomplish? Most likely, you know, they would look at you like you're a crazy person. So apparently I'm not a very forward-thinking guy because obviously we're doing that quite a bit now.

52:49 And now if someone calls me, I'm like, what the fuck are you calling me for? like hey i don't know i, I'm so used to email. It's like, hey, you know, I would really love to talk to you about this or that. I have a question about that. But these are brief emails, I would bet. Sure. And, you know, the best way to do it is through an email. It's like, hey, you know, I would really love to talk to you about this or that.

54:03 It just got lost in the tsunami of emails that came in. of those? I do my best. I look for my friends. Yeah. You know, I look for people that are I don't think I have any. What list am I on? I mean, when it's not going to be this. Next. Yeah. is an amazing human being. That's incredible. He goes, my notebook is essentially like a net for catching ideas.

56:51 It's like, you're going 60 plus whatever miles an hour. What do you got there that you would like to cover? so I try to collaborate with those guys and girls that are smarter than me in that avenue. if it's not functioning correctly, then how can we be achieving the best result It's got to be hugely important. I'm not a dietician, so I have to rely, again, on people that have good information.

1:00:45 Right? I mean, we've used it regularly. Yeah. I made that up. you know, he might be a you're supposed to know you're the you're the fucking super genius doctor guy if you don't tissue in this sort of haphazard manner. So it's just kind of piling on in there. At that point, if you've actually torn one of the ankle ligaments, you don't have native ligament tissue that's the same structural properties. It's not as strong. I mean, you might be developing the

1:04:34 So healing without scar has to do with not forming this fibroblast or fibrovascular response and, and fibrotic phase. Now, what the cool potential rigorous studies where we can look at what should the dosing be, what should the frequency of the treating. Um, and even all of the studies that were coming out, you know, people were using So that gets us to an important point,

1:07:44 bringing the patients back two weeks later and injecting them with this, you know, super production of cells, which probably is great. Right. It's PRP and amniotic fluid and tissue. We inject it and it can heal anything. I admire how responsible you are, how you keep There's potential and it's encouraging to, you know, that the possibility is there.

1:09:32 like come here if you have a meniscus tear, because we do this injection and it's going to The term you used about PRP in conjunction? So if someone gets that injection and does PRP, they would have to essentially get that done within those 7 to 21 days to have some sort of a benefit of what you're saying. Theoretically. Yes. That, yeah, that that's,

1:11:31 treat them. This isn't part of it, but you can't treat patients on a different day. It has to be product meant for IV infusion for treatment of whatever, diabetes. Right. And that is something I'm not aware of it. about it anyway okay yeah i give you permission. It's HIPAA violation. I understand. He was saying it was fucking amazing. recommended but this is he can't talk about it off air he'll be a little

1:15:29 What? Yeah. It didn't really have the same effect. why you can what i could do um i take these 90 pound kettlebells and i do windmills with them No, it's like a little roller that you had your hand on. H A V Y K sliders. post, in certain things, but for a big one for me was archery because, um, you know, I really enjoy it. and I'm pulling back 84 pounds.

1:19:05 It looks like a bow that Batman would have. It's incredible. john gives me the first lesson that i've ever pulled a bow back he's standing there right with And you're like, man, I might not. Whoa. it has destroyed the bacteria so huh so ability to resist scar formation, move through the fibrotic phase of healing, and then also the antimicrobial I want you to look up Defense Soap.

1:22:50 probiotics, which is huge, um, acidophilus, eating yogurt and drinking kombucha. And then Well, you've got to be careful because I'm a low sugar guy. They're not a sponsor GT's kombucha I don't know if you know this. See, I thought just due to regulations, you have to have a certain... degenerative disc disease and that there's some really promising results. I've heard anecdotally of a number of very positive outcomes with treatment like that.

1:25:58 And so, but we're in a unique situation. um, so people are seeking the treatment it's available. Um, but we don't know, but it is possible to heal. It's just a lower percentage. Did it happen because of the treatment? And usually the category is, excuse me, if it's something mechanical. the pain for that patient. accomplished orthopedic surgeon, kind of iconic guy that's done tons of research. He was also

1:30:15 Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, that's all. I mean, there's things that over time we discover that what we thought we were looking at, you know, we didn't fully understand. So when someone has had, like if you talked to some dude who played football or something, had multiple shoulder dislocations, like what would you do to him? problems such as the, there's bone loss on the front of the socket. So when you have a dislocation,

1:32:59 Are you supposed to pull on it or just take them to the hospital? the national finals rodeo was starting Jesus Christ. nice you can die no matter what you're dealing with a goddamn steer that's what i'm saying That's why when they. And they have no balls. grabbed him by his natural handles, Look, the cow's like, And they're some of the toughest athletes in the world. Oh, yeah. I would imagine

1:36:42 Right. We had a dude on Fear Factor Yeah, it's bad. the year. And so basically you have the person lying flat on their back and I would hold your You got to describe to people that are listening. Oh, okay. And what a person does when they don't want to get arm barred, Yeah. Now, you told me when you looked at my MRI that you think that my shoulder was dislocated at some point in time.

1:40:12 you were on the receiving end yeah yeah before um this injury i never did americana you could I think that was a big mistake. It's amazing. Don't listen to me. you should be able to do 90% of your max kettlebell press. But you know you're talking about a lot of weight. The guy that I train with talks about that all the time. uh, or, you know, a snatch or something like that. Things that

1:43:40 when you're trying to get stronger. No so it's this but there's you know you're doing it you shouldn't go to failure. You should just stop close to it or halfway there, very clean smooth delivery and that this is the best way to recover or to build strength and that people periodizing and incorporating the times when they're just allowing rest. I mean, you can't

1:46:14 may not be a whole lot of work. I mean, your body needs rest and recovery in order to put stress on I don't think so. Oh, sure. And then we have information on there in terms of how to contact us, Dr. Roddy McGee, ladies and gentlemen.