Joe Rogan Experience #947 — Ron Miscavige Transcript

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0:00 four three two one and we're live what's up Ron how are you I'm doing okay yeah good man Right. Oh, David Miscavige has taken care of his father Any father exploiting his son in this manner is a sad exercise of betrayal. So that's their statement. I don't feel that. I just woke up one day and said, I'd like to write a book about Scientology. I had to plan that escape for six months. We can go into this in more detail, but just let me give

4:00 and Nick Pye came out and confronted the guy. The father's name was Dwayne Powell, the morning till eight o'clock every night an incident happened in janesville wisconsin this Maybe Jamie goes on Tinder and does a little right, right, swiping right. So they're interrogating them. And he said, they followed me to a town called Janesville, Wisconsin, where I went shopping in

6:15 The father called his contact and said, listen, it looks like the target is having a heart attack. Okay. listen, if it's his time to die, But I mean, your relationship with your son didn't just start there. Just I enjoyed his company. The security guards would read it, see if there was anything bad in there He is the undisputed dictator of Scientology.

8:31 to communicate, to have better interpersonal relations. And, you know, I got into it. And I'm telling you, you go out on the street after you do this stuff and you're more effective in handling life. Just communicating correctly. So they're essentially telling you how to be a better person in the beginning. Let's say you learn the component parts of communication.

10:58 So you could manage how you're doing income wise, how education is your public relations. Can you give me an example? billion people on 76 nearby planets and they brought them here in spaceships. I'll just do it. Right. I say at the very end, if they were just to stick to the beginning things, and i'm going to tell you joe i was involved for 42 years you never went to germany no never

14:02 Maybe I'm the only one. Like, how are they supposed to go to Germany and read a newspaper? I guess it would be. Yeah. Yeah, unfortunately. Like, if there were three people who did it, I'd say, you know, maybe it can be done. Well. And always looking to improve myself or find a better way to live. because I had four kids, you know, you've got to pay

17:04 It was a multi-marketing scheme. Yeah. What is that? Newark, yeah. I mean, as a little baby, sometimes he turned blue. Okay? I took him upstairs to the bathroom, He started breathing, kicked it, which is basically another word for counseling. With communication, you can stop asthma? That communication. little for me to try to explain it in a little session like this it's a little hard because

21:49 It didn't happen to him again that severe. Right. So this was all while L. Ron Hubbard was alive? What is the Sea Organization? five-year contract to work there and you would like billion year contracts too well now what Listen, you're getting the skinny. International Association of Scientologists or donate money to build an organism i mean build a new church someplace and they give you a piece

25:28 afford it, they have to declare bankruptcy. I came home from work one day, and he's laying in his room on his bed, He says, I want to join the Sea Org. My dad had a sign for me because I was only 17, I kind of looked at that and I thought, well, I was 17. Maybe it looked like I No. landmasses. I mean, in fact, Look it. that all I saw was that he was considered the commodore but you remember the peace corps yes

29:09 So that is still referred to as flag. He's working with L. Ron Hubbard. No two ways about it. And what contributed to that was an incident where he had a severe asthmatic attack, That's how that happened. I'm coming out of the music studio and I yelled out hey Dave Now, the further on down the road we got, the more it became, where anything about Miscavige or Scientology come up,

33:32 12.30, line up for another muster. Go to work in the afternoon. Five o'clock, go to dinner. It doesn't sound good. You remember Edgar Winner or no? Edgar Winner came to the, wow. But Edgar, I mean, he was, you have no idea how good he is until you see him operate in Isaac Hayes. And if you screwed up, it was hell to pay. improving life in some aspect, and we'd have a video on that,

36:21 that was something we did every year. And then there's Well, everybody deals with life the way they deal with it. you. Well, here's what happens though. If they were to talk to me, their friends would disconnect When I was 75 years old, my daughter sent me 75 gifts. than anybody that's ever lived of the earth but OT levels. He's a very nice guy. was a nice neighbor. He's a good guy.

39:57 this stuff. I think it was in the early 90s, about 100,000. Look, most people are not going to do what I do. I should have gotten 76, right? Okay. David gave me this Kindle. Did you tell him it was loaded up with L. Ron Hubbard books? But anyway, they're trying to get this. Okay. With your Kindle. And that's why the security guards were trying to get it.

43:12 Okay. Now, this is the first time I've told this story, by the way, Joe. This is a fucking made-up story. say to Martine, who's the medical liaison officer. Never told anybody on the base. They either know and they're keeping up the ruse or they don't know. then he starts saying you know he says i'll tell you my kid was picked up by the cops the other

46:26 the music and drowned I thought, man, we can't live this way. But my Yeah. So how did you escape? So at this point, you'd been in for how many years? And then- When you got paid. treatment the way people were being treated and some of the shit that went down like so you would Precisely. Maybe, you know. Who just pump him up all the time. if it weren't for this streak in him where he attained all this power and had this shit going on in Scientology.

51:08 And that's how I feel. Have you ever talked to him about Scientology? I'm running this fucking show. ask you this do people really believe that or do they just kind of go along with it because The walls over yours? As soon as we leave here. And what happens to you? do you have toward David? But what if you say, I started reading a bunch of stuff. make this thing better? What do you say? What would they do to you?

54:09 And you'd be sequestered from the rest of the group, put into a place where you weren't I want to get out of here. Put you in a jail. If I would have been caught, Yeah, I did one of those once. I don't really think it works you don't think it works sometimes it does Yeah, but- Maybe. They know what they're in for. It's basically security checking you until you're, you know, for years.

56:27 There, you just walk out of the fucking place, and people do that. But if you say, say if you sign a five-year contract, when the fifth year is up, you get to leave? world at the international base. I understand. All right. So you had to plot some sort of an Every melody I ever wrote was rejected by him. I'm a trained musician. I did that. You've got to get me a different job.

58:57 A couple months later, I said to Becky, look, we're getting the fuck out of here. I have skills. Right. All right. I divorced from and married a much younger woman. So her mother is going to have her 70th birthday. We plotted it out. maybe super sat, some Parmesan cheese, Romano cheese. security guards a piece of cheese or salami so they thought hey Sunday morning he's going to get

1:02:23 Okay. but he justifies it in his mind. nine o'clock we get in the car we're loaded up and we're driving down to get to that second gate is about a half mile down the So I go around another 100 yards down the road, get to the gate. It says, Becky, we're turning left. Then he'd call Sal. So what did you do then? Very low amount, by the way. Because you couldn't use your credit cards because they'd be able to track you.

1:05:17 No, believe me. And I'm looking out the window. Ha, ha, ha. I'm not doing it again. name of it and what it says in there substantially is this the only reason a person leaves a group I shouldn't have done it. We'll take you to a movie. I said, Greg, you're out of your fucking mind. You can't do this. A particle. I tried to call him once. you don't hear his actual words no okay so there's really no reason that this guy would make up that

1:09:07 Yeah. Listen, it's written in policy to do what David did. That's it? but I can't imagine that you must you you must have gone over it and looked at your communications with him and wondered if maybe if you extended yourself more, if you talked more. No, I couldn't have done anything different except maybe not get him in Scientology. Are you familiar with that?

1:11:20 with no punishment on the person who did it. No one discusses it. Okay, here's another one. That's right. help but you didn't make money right you made some money yeah but that isn't the reason of writing a And I was going to play these for them because now they're disconnected from me. i said jerry for christ's sake and jerry's in as well yeah of course he is yeah they are if your

1:14:30 But a book I knew that I could get, and I was on 2020. I wouldn't give a shit. But you can't really leave if you're public. I think it's the worst thing you can do to a person. Son of a bitch. went to see David and said, listen, if dad can't come to see us, we would like to go to see him. your life and you, uh, you think about that move, that initial move of joining, what goes on in your head?

1:17:37 I'm not doing this. They'll Google it. And there's many, many, many datums about life that if you were a Scientologist and you see these, you say, wait a minute. They're talking about the same thing he was. And it worked then, so you knew it would work now. What if, you know, your son listens to this podcast and he's like, what the fuck? And he says, what can we do to make this better?

1:20:28 We've got a real problem. But do you think that that is just what happens with people? making them into these palaces for people to come and do services. A whale. They get crazy. I'll tell you off the air, but I don't want to throw them. Do they take him around in one of those things, like one of those old-school king things? Do you remember? I don't know, but I'll check it out and I'll send you an email.

1:22:57 litter wow like how weird a litter is a class of wheel-less vehicles, a type of human-powered transport. A simple litter, often called a king carrier, consists of a sling attached along to lengths of poles or stretched inside a frame. Yeah. No rules? Well, good seats at an event. Look at that. Juicy gold medal. That'd be pampered. Like good seats at a restaurant or something like that? Well, good seats at an event.

1:24:00 a lot of work. I bet. Look at that handsome bastard. that doesn't look like he's aging. Yeah, he is. The one where he keeps coming back to life again? Oh, he's a huge draw. When did it come out? it would have been critically acclaimed. Don't be glib. I mean, a lot of his focus and the way he looks at things. two ways about it no and um there's also another thing called est yes i've heard that that used

1:26:43 Like when you look at a guy like Tom Cruise, it's kind of undeniable that that guy is very successful, very driven, motivated, right? And when I saw that, I thought, man, I like this guy. Color of Money, one of my favorite movies. Saluting each other. Yep. we're saluting from now on. We're going to salute each other. Can people get mad at you? And you would salute people in the military.

1:28:50 Oh, yeah. I'm going to try out Scientology. John Travolta and Kirstie Alley and people like that, It's nice. Oh, so a correction program is Shelley fucked up? i was in celebrity center in what's called the president's office and i was there for some event many years ago is there an election no so how does someone get to be president no it's just and uh you know i'd always uh i was like she's what is she a scientologist or something it's

1:31:51 I know. And I could pick it up any time and watch it. You're reminiscing now? People can get it everywhere. Come on in here. How long were we on?