Joe Rogan Experience #952 — Thaddeus Russell Transcript

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0:00 I'm not interested. You're going no headphones. I feel better. Yeah. I love it up there, man. Oh, God, it's so lush. Yeah, that would be like the best place to live. I'm commuting every week and people say, don't you get sick of this? I actually love it so far. I'm digging it. that, I'm like, that's my worst nightmare. We'll get into that. Night vision goggles.

2:50 Have you tried them on? Yeah, but actually for them, it's scopes. And then they allowed some cavers, some local cave explorers, to go and check it out. I love it. Headlamps? I just got here, man. You called me a girl. What did I say about? So up in Portland, the Portland area, what are you doing up there so you're teaching right my Yeah. and it's not a dumb city, but it's a small city.

6:11 Whatever white woke is. yeah yeah they make great food and those food trucks are out of this world totally totally Not fully, but a lot of Asian folks. Vancouver's right up the street. Yeah, it's like, it's a small city. And it's a fairly big problem. It's pretty goddamn good. I don't live in Portland, right? Really beautifully centrally located. So we've got we're an hour and ten minutes from the coast, which is gorgeous Have you been to the Oregon coast? Yes, amazing

8:35 So, man, it's, yeah, I'm telling you. Not like here. Legitimate. And he's a major sort of Northwest MMA fighter. Now he's like coach of the year in the northwest oh great Yes. Yes, it's great for me. He's gonna fucking talk about yoga again. I love it. Yeah Because I get dry mouth around you. Look at you, Mr. Muscles. And it's sort of a, Kind of, kind of.

11:36 that sounded like he was a non-interventionist in foreign policy right and that's why i was is that the generals have taken over. So, of course, he's going to rely on experts. He's really listed reenlisted because he believes that the UFC, or the UFC, he believes that the military now has the Oh, yeah. Which part? I'd love to talk to Tim Kennedy. talking heads on either side you don't want that you want the long form right

14:01 And a lot of people aren't. the long form, I love it. It's so much better. I, I think this is why I've, you know, a lot of who's the father of David Miscavige. of people's personal histories and their psychology macho dude. Not interested. Bye. Right. Right. Everyone's so complex. Most people are. And most that the other day but um yeah it's trump i have a lot to say about that but um it's um

17:06 Yeah. I actually think that we have much deeper understandings of people who are not like us because of things like this, right? I mean, they just wouldn't allow it. by the New York Times. And I know why, but it didn't really matter. People, why? Oh, because it says all the things you're not supposed to say. If you're a good liberal, left liberal, He wanted all black people to speak correct American English.

20:13 to full citizenship man it's just it sucks that that's even a thought that america now if black people had never been here what would it be like which i'm not sure i'd want Well, even European rock, like Led Zeppelin. you know we're not we are not the rolling stones without muddy waters of course elvis yeah this But again, it was for this reason. wife, two kids, didn't drink, didn't do drugs. He smoked, but he stopped smoking pretty quickly. Right.

23:48 I don't think black people are thinking when they're doing their hip hop songs, they're They're not interested in citizenship. cultural laws. They're not going to be good Americans. They're out for themselves. And I think badass, black rapper sort of listening to their music, wearing their pants low, like Is he sagging? It's the ripped jeans. He is fully immersed.

26:46 Does he train? It scared me when I met Joe. He's awesome. If I didn't find martial arts when I was that age, who the fuck knows what would have happened to me. Wow. And you started at 41? Yeah. Those guys are boring. Klitschko's put people to sleep, Joe. him up thank you for bringing him up we got to talk about this god forget my career podcast and all those guys paved the way.

29:27 I saw him once when he got a little rocked by Shane Mosley. right in front of you and you can't hit him and he's going left and he's going right and he's in I'm just saying technically he doesn't have enough fights. And I still think he's just phenomenal. I love him. He stands right in front of people, man. he does this it's a hop actually he hops inside and he'll throw a body shot off of it when he

31:41 Right? Yeah. Like in particular that little hop step. It's actually, I had a coach call it, But the thing about, they dropped him with a liver shot, like the really little guys are the guys who have this stellar technique He has Matrix shorts on now. He disappears and shows up right next to you in a different location. He's some next-level shit, too.

34:15 Andy Ristie, that's who it was, yeah. about her. I mean, cause it's funny that we're talking about fighting. I'm so happy. You know, like I love what I do and being a historian and all this stuff. go to Nepal. Most academics, and maybe this is one of the reasons I had to leave that profession, They certainly don't care how they look, many of them. and you sent that to every historian in the country,

36:13 and they're like, oh, of course that couldn't be. I definitely, yeah, yeah. why i entered it because i just felt like i was it was just natural for me teaching people things Which is what you'll see a lot of teachers do. you know, that, and you give them back to people who are completely new to them. but isn't good at communicating it. Like breaking it down into a system, like a step-by-step

38:49 Like, he'll stop. He's worked with a lot of, like, top-level guys. Right like when I was in when I was taking when I entered college And when I finally started doing it in graduate school at Columbia, I was teaching, you know, it to your roommate who's never read it before. That means what that means is you have to think It helped me understand it.

41:34 Yeah, and you're around other people that are also getting better, so it's hard to look really measure intellectual, everybody's racked with insecurity, Right. And I came from this little dipshit college in Ohio and I was like a C student in high school. And then you'll look at you know Dave Chappelle or someone else Chris Rock, and you're like look. I'm a fucking fraud

43:38 I think it exists in everything and everything difficult. No kidding. well I shouldn't say they're misconceptions, Well I know because I've heard you At Wesleyan or whatever whatever or it's not the about my love for boxing around academics, or I'm very careful if I do, but it's not even that. It's that maybe they would normally express, but they don't.

46:37 And if you don't get tenure you have no career. I don't blame them. I get it. That's what I've done, too I'm just saying this is, this is my belief, but I think it's pretty well informed because I've say it did say something that's truly racist. They need to stand up now. People like Jordan Peterson and I have major differences with him on sort of the content of his ideas, not about academia, but on academia.

49:12 But you know how so on Jen so so he and I know you agree with him on this And I could see, and this was interesting to me, it was exciting, Yeah, for sure. Go to Thailand. But that's just the lack of testosterone. And I know your thing about Fallon Fox. Yes. So I agree off pretty radically. But that's just lack of testosterone. Well, it's not that she should have been allowed to fight.

50:31 I say that's bullshit. It's just not the same. She's not juiced, is she? It would just be pure speculation. I don't think it's smart right, but you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do so within that framework, Right. And I think a lot of it is people worried about being called transphobic or homophobic Well, I don't know what she is, but she's broken every record by like, you know, huge, insane amounts.

52:58 of testosterone. There's men that have like almost none. That's actually the major point That's black and white. Yes. So let me ask you this. Believe me, I know. Let me put it out there. conventional view. I mean, I'm neither one of those guys. What do you mean? Yeah. Well, maybe I wasn't either. Yeah, Jesus Christ. Three times as high as most women.

55:56 But it leaked. semen semen yeah became targeted with abuse on social media. Yeah, what is it? I think if I were a woman athlete, right? are. And so you could do that in any sport. You could say, right, if you're above a certain height That's all you got to do. It's just not. And what she did different than everything else, all these other articles, is she's not a gender reassignment surgeon.

59:55 This is different. But again, Ronda Rousey probably beat the fuck out of most 135-pound men in the world that she meets. that difference. Unless you know. naturally producing testosterone, increasing your ligament strength, increasing your tendon strength. You know, I don't. I'll treat you like a woman. biological female to compete against females. But I'm saying if you take the gender out of the sport, right?

1:02:26 She's going to find this and she's going to find you. what parameters would use bone density well you know a lot of african-american Well, it's the thing about testosterone levels. If your testosterone goes above a certain level, you're not allowed to compete as a woman. It's saying a female with hypoandrogenism who is recognized as a female in law shall be eligible to compete in women's competition in athletics provided that she has androgen levels below the male range.

1:04:42 she has a disease essentially where she produces too much testosterone. Why not? look, So like most of the time people can't get inside my jab. I can be looser. He did the peekaboo past the jab. But once he's there, he doesn't have an advantage on you. I don't think so. and triangles easier, Oh, it's all advantages to be tall, right? Many people. So we just need more divisions.

1:07:20 He's a great, great player. You're in Jamie's wheelhouse in a big way right now. I'm pretty sure he dunked. Does it have a video of him dunking? Crazy Muggsy Bogues dunk, Jamie. That's in a video game. That's probably not real. Jamie will get to the bottom of this. combat sports that's where like people have just true there's some people that I've actually thought it's shoulder width.

1:09:58 Yeah. Don't, right. Estrogen-level divisions. It's tremendous. I mean, it's really a maze bladder that came out of her own body they're regenerated yeah I think you're Neuroregenesis is like, that's the promised land. is a better life for me. Right. And all of us, they're making this stuff that you're talking people worried about being called racist and sexist and anything else stifling

1:13:51 And they it's like a body of people who sit there and decide who should have a Web site or not. Oh yeah. No, they have no free speech in Canada and someone was saying that his interpretation of these laws is greatly exaggerated. I looked into this. or being threatened in any way legally, even if it's just a fine. A fine, right? People don't Oh, we get another notice.

1:16:09 and she pulled a gun and they shot her in the head. That was over traffic fines. Okay. That's nothing wrong and this cop is dragging her out of the car and then ultimately But I don't think she was because you shouldn't be, you shouldn't respect to get someplace what was she getting pulled over for i think it was a i think it was a it was a Right. They give them latitude.

1:18:59 I'm saying this is the problem. Worthy of disrespect. I'm not defending it at all, right? What if the guy where they planted the taser? For one thing, we will never know why they chose to pull the trigger in those moments. I think that's a mistake. For one thing, we will never know And it was a bad killing, but not for the reasons that people are talking about.

1:21:52 Here's what happened. And as he's like turning to run, video, there's a documentary about this. It's called frame. I forget the number. I think it's So who knows what was going on there? He he may have been and sure he may have been trying to cover himself in that moment but actually he didn't need to that cop you know what happened with that trial it's a hung jury

1:23:56 You'll never be able to prove that he did it because he's a racist. At that time, Scott was in arrears on child support payments, it's just you look into it if you don't believe me I believe you you have I have a friend who has to pay alimony for the rest of his life. That's. That's a very sexist law by the way because that's laws implying that this woman is incapable of making it on her own

1:26:15 Well, who knows? So what the fuck? He's got to pay for her for another 46 years. That's insanity. Sexism against men is very common. And she talked him into selling her pot, and then she arrested him. And you know as well as I know, when you're 17 years old, This is the root of the issue with feminism that is current feminism. Well, yeah. We go off a lot of branches here.

1:29:40 Forget about how they treat men. And if a woman is the only one raising the kids on their own not only does she need the money for food and housing? I totally agree. Say you had a wife who was wealthy, and she was taking care of you while you were going think that's unreasonable what's unreasonable is saying that because you Yeah. It's, and the feminists are playing along with it.

1:32:37 or at least they are expected to behave Oh, I see what you're saying. dominant in the media, the ones we hear from, the public intellectuals, the academics, government leaders, the people who end up in the White House. Um, yeah. Anybody interested review those or earlier podcasts about your college about and dragged it around campus For those of us who have really been raped, you're a fucking disgrace.

1:34:57 Yeah. I know that there's all kinds of evidence that sure looks like it didn't happen the way she said it did Printed a false rape case that that gang rape case, the UVA case. Astonishing. All the John Doe's out there, all those men who were accused and expelled someone. It's incredible. Because the man's drunk, too. Yeah. It's incredible. and a lot of people have pointed him to me and vice versa because they think we agree on these things and we don't.

1:38:33 It's just sort of absolutely wrong. She identifies as being black. Okay. He believes there are races of people. his own standards and by scientific standards but anyway a black guy from And they were very different biologically. Yeah, I know. a dark black man from Kenya, there's something different about them. can do they all black right so those of all passed on someone and find out where

1:42:36 Sure. It is calling it out as a fiction, as a social construct, which is that these lines have been drawn all the time in all kinds of different ways over the centuries by human beings who just look at all the people in the world. It's a good question. and Just across the continent not even that far away, Well, very different physical characteristics.

1:44:57 These are all silly, made-up categories. So you don't agree that there is any race at all? And think about what the consequences have been. I mean, you don't have to make a claim that Chinese people are different because they They're not tall and skinny. What makes. born in Shanghai. Are you just going to ignore it? talking about complexity in human beings at the beginning of this, right? People are infinitely complex, right? Okay. So the thing is, what people have

1:48:06 Well, here's a place where you could do it. Okay. that's it I mean what did we okay so they they are likely to be in lineage They are more scrupulous. and then attaching all sorts of other claims to this category. Totally true. And they are right that that is suppressed, that we are not allowed to even talk That's hilarious. Does he you're talking? There's a big difference isn't there in the term

1:52:30 Right, so that was part of their claim and that they were from you know I think it does measure something. I think that's real. I do. I really do. I think there is something called this is a G factor, which it tests, it measures. G factor is this thing that was invented, this concept. like math like writing scholarly essays you know I'm sure my g-factor is higher

1:53:52 They test all kinds of intelligence? Clearly. If you're just creative in the way we define that and not intelligent in the way IQ tests define it. it and then what if you did finally prove it what are we going to do with that information No, of course not. The continent we've been talking about. is that these attempts to define people by race The lines are always being redrawn by the people who do this stuff. So why are you still doing it,

1:56:54 because Italy isn't actually a country, there was no such thing as an Italian. People who lived there didn't call themselves Italian. It They love being a part of that stupid team. And it's stupid. So, and this is the second, my second disagreement with Jordan Peterson. He thinks that all the stuff in college campuses that's crazy is It's amazing. But the central argument that was made by Foucault and postmodernists

1:59:56 you were doing something unnatural, right? Most people believed that. and second of all they have served the purposes of ruling elites because they None of this is inevitable. and I think principally from that idea. penis, you're a man and you should do X, Y, and Z with your life, right? The trans movement needed abstractions real again. They're making these claims that are similar to Sam Harris's claims

2:03:37 No. None of them being the fact that you generally gravitate towards male activities like boxing, kickboxing, aggressive things. You're a man. It's a broad category. Neither Andy Dick nor Yoel Romero are trans people, right? What does that mean anymore? They were born that way, by the way. You're making it as if it's a really common thing. Right. So there are many, many characteristics, right, that we assign to the category of man,

2:06:15 They don't produce sperm. The numbers there are about the same as the number of men who are infertile. You don't believe there's a male dog and a female dog? One of them has a penis and testicles. You and I would agree on all the things in the world that are dogs. We're not talking about race, though. Sure. Like, if you go to buy a male Doberman, and the guy gives you a female Doberman, he goes,

2:08:01 Two female what? probably stop applying certain categories to human beings in the ways we have done like how so because activities, likes females, all those things, by saying that that's a man, that this is What is? It's a small percentage of the population of men. Take all the men. have been attracted to women but have fucked men Yes. I've personally known many men who you would consider

2:11:31 You're literally saying a guy. No, I'm saying that people who are identified as men Let's talk about like right now. Because they're male. It's funny because I thought you were totally with me for like an hour and a half. And now it's like, and I think there's several Polynesian countries, Right. What do you. Americans don't have those categories. It's just the trans category is real.

2:14:38 Why isn't a woman real? Right. I'm just saying that those categories have changed, and they change depending on where And then there's trans people. They don't want to be a male. They just want to be human. If you really identify with being a giant squirrel. That's awesome. That's great. And that's really what You can't read those. I stopped. So in other words, and a lot of them, what they were really saying, and some of them elaborated on this, was that I was not really man enough.

2:17:20 So they kind of were kicking me out of the category of man. the characteristics of human interaction you're not there with a person you're we are so close to violence. It's just, he just thinks it's funny. It's just hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. reasons why I think it's important to have one-on-one conversations with people. And one about the quality of conversation generally.

2:20:29 They're waiting for you to stop talking so they can talk. I was always amazed when I'd watch these really important, famous professors at Columbia, you know, give these lectures to a hall of 500 people. whatever it is, I care in a particular way. I mean, it's some, it's another form of narcissism, Or if they do a podcast, they're used to being the one who's talking all the time.

2:22:36 And you feel it. They just sit in their study and read books and they go out and then give a lecture and then they come back and read the book. writing. They'll do it through writing, but they won't do it head to head. I mean that. It's this monolith where there's one, and this is why you get this uniformity of ideas on campuses. They wanted me. a particular number of professors.

2:26:01 So if I gave you five credits for taking one of my courses, Those are regional accreditation agencies, again, all authorized by the Department of Education. You can get 5,000 degrees from Phoenix University, you know, you can't you can get five thousand degrees from Phoenix University Faculty control all the hiring and firing of faculty and tenure.

2:28:11 if Donald Trump said, Thaddeus, I love your work, what could you do to fix that? What would you this guy's great. And he took my course. He was an employer. It would actually help. Sure. And then in that case, it would be meaningful. My credits. I'm just saying that's completely and choice, school choice. So you think there's just this inherent bottleneck that it's existed for so long and that these people have been in charge of saying

2:30:15 I mean, there are absolute standards. where you're being taught by someone who obviously has a mastery of that particular subject? Guess I'm, you know, one of the pioneers, but it's happening. Well, his grant was. he was recently denied a grant for the first time in his academic career. he's actually got a large movement of people that are interested in his

2:32:13 Moral truth. Well, Jordan had to boil it down. and they did a way better podcast the second time Fire burns paper. No, it's really important, but let's leave it there. I mean, Sam's not doing it formally, and the elite colleges in particular, cookie cutter, same shit, coastalal, elite, liberal, bland. There's Sam Harris, who's sort of that, any Harvard professor

2:35:12 You know, I don't agree with everything, but it doesn't matter. He's doing serious academic, There's just that culture. I don't know. It's just a different culture. About MMA, right? Like literally. They ignore them. Absolutely. Yeah. I think it'll be looked back. you're dealing with these countries in the wrong patch of dirt, sir. I mean, you just got lucky.

2:40:03 keep thinking man it's amazing that you're treating me this well because Mexicans are so kind generally, you know, when you're down there. My parents live in Mexico. I try to go. Here's what here's what people are Yeah, no, people are killing each other, but why? Why? Because drugs are illegal. Yes. Because drugs are illegal and Exactly. He wants to bring back just saying no.

2:42:58 Legalize drugs. It's a nutty number. Right. So look at murders. Take all the violent. Take all the homicides in this country. because they're poor people, right? So a huge percentage, and they don't track this because Like, what are they doing? Hugely powerful. make drugs you make if drugs were legal how many people did Escobar kill? None or two or one or something, right?

2:46:22 If you make it legal, they're going to still sell them. Yeah, but alcohol was something that... And what that meant was an inspector from the state came to your bar or your restaurant or whatever Really? So just decriminalize. the industry which is a pain in the ass. But so sometimes decrim means just no laws at all, right? None. Legalization usually means, not always, but usually means regulations.

2:48:26 The banking's weird because the federal government still has it classified as a Schedule I substance and it's illegal. Isn't it true that they give them jobs? You don't want them not having jobs That all the... Wow. Damn. Tell everybody what your podcast is. There's a page for the podcast. What are you doing out there? And I've already sold out the VIPs, but there's more.

2:50:46 Great guy. And he's got this huge following. project website or thaddeusrussell.com website to get all the details and buy the tickets there and then I have a seminar actually in LA just with me just 20 people for four weeks talking about But that's it. Don't be sparring with people. from the House of Payne.