Joe Rogan Experience #953 — Shirley Manson Transcript

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0:00 Weave it, yeah. All the time. I panicked. Have you ever met him? He's really smart and really, I thought, really forthright. In this world? You know that chick. A Native American, right? Because it was the way we were brought up to, we referred to Native Americans as Red Indians. Oh, is that a Scotland thing? but you can say White people. If you didn't know, it would be super, like if you were just learning

2:41 made me happier, I'll tell you that. It's definitely Really? Kind of? your guard by giving you something really beneath me first and then i see and then you come in like But you never failed. Yeah. Because it was such a crazy ride and I identified with myself as a successful person and my idea of success was really warped. received as well correct you are correct sir yeah and so we've been used to being on top of the

5:50 i'm enjoying myself you seem to be yeah but like i would imagine that like as big as you guys were which had never gotten really that much pop cultural success i I'm sure he was just trying to figure out a way to survive, It's hard to know what you like sometimes, no? We're going deep. It's a different Billy Bush. because we were like, oh my God, I hope somebody doesn't come

8:34 Yes, yeah. or that that guy would get hate from it. People seem to be looking for people to get mad at. upset and they don't know what to do with it and there's certain figures that attract Because like if you, well, the good news is not news. Because even if you stand up for a cause like, you know, like today I was I did a post about for Amnesty International,

11:21 Every second of the day. me like a series of emojis like in a row you know it's fun he's just being funny like he'll send me See, I'm Italian, so I feel like it's racist. What's that word that Italian word that they use? Moulinon. for eggplant. Indian was a thing that you could say all the time when I was a kid, We are. Because I've read some stories

14:02 You can just say, Would you say it that way? But bollocks is like bullshit i'm so confused i'm confused too but like i said just go with the confusion it's okay i'm To be flexible. and they were talking Yeah. Where you make these connections with, I suppose, adventure and independence. I mean, I don't know. body change it was like if that was drug, if you could take that drug,

16:41 And I'm reading his biography right now, Music can heal you, Joe. Yeah, there's something to it. human beings existed and it works only on us you ever play music for a dog just fucking stare at you If a dog bites your face off, that's a shitty dog. I agree. Yeah. No, seriously, I love this idea. Is that true? Yeah. because then you rear people to not live their lives fully

21:02 Let's talk about something else. consequences. I mean, in a casket is almost a symbolic consequence because you're only the less we can think about, the less we're capable of thinking about in a way. And the more sophisticated this technology gets, it seems like the closer it brings people and ideas. we are now that's the thing that bums me out about dying that's the really pretty much the

24:01 Oh, God, I hope not. Oh God, we all worry a wee bit about that. preoccupied with fast food? It's really peculiar He was at fast food as well. He had heart problems, Every now and again, it's the spot. jaws running back. Maybe I have had a double. You've never had a double-double? I a double? Maybe I have had a double. You never had a double-double?

25:33 You're like, get me what I want. through a series of like really horrendous relationships. You want to spend all the time together. And he's happy. I've never dated an actor in my life. Because girls, when you say actor, like girls want to be called actors now. Yeah, because actress or comedian, that was a big one. I get that. sounds like a light you know?

27:33 It is fun to be a girl, of course, this yeah no but i think all humans, we're all different, right? People that are born or in some way don't want to be whatever gender they are. Well, this is what I think. I want to be a fucking man. Maybe. I met that lizard dude once in Austin, Texas. No kidding. Well, If that was my kid, Maybe you and I have a different sense of amazing.

30:44 I wouldn't say that. Well, I guess because their feelings towards your arms don't you think no Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But we are going out on tour. And I love her. New York during the music seminar one year and I was shaking like a leaf I've told this story a anything you ask of me, I am she was uh a very unique historical figure in music. She did it all really.

34:08 I mean, to be 70 and to be still making records, that's incredible. when did people first start recording music? We've gone over this before. Okay. Wow. or the 20th century. Yeah. and they've got all the moves and they can sing perfectly They don't have a struggle yet. Shut up. to find that person, tell them to shut the fuck up. Yeah. There's a lot. There is. I am

38:06 And then you probably think that when you're 70. Like they have so little experience, actual life experience. But with no driver. Yeah, I'm sure. It was amazing. Like just just like, just unbelievably talented. And they're like, you know, would you think about, you know, supporting this girl or what do you think of this and that? learn. It's by actually doing it yourself.

40:37 Do you know now? I was like, I'm really Well, I felt like I'd stumbled into that opportunity, which I did. playing keyboards and doing back vocals. on our record advance on drugs. What kind of drugs? How much was it? How the fuck did you spend 200,000 on speed? We went totally off. into it by going off so to speak wow that's crazy yeah it was pretty mad and then I never believed

43:34 What parent sits there and goes, yeah, I'm a parent. Well, I have three. i think sometimes when you get the two of them together the young ones they don't get enough see that daddy he threw a cigarette out the window did you see that daddy he threw a cigarette like and she just jumps on me and hugs me like my whole body has this reaction like the love meter

45:48 The love that I have for her is, It's really powerful. it's the same thing. Like it changes your level of compassion. It changes who you are. Like Dave though but you would it changes you like you become whoever you are now once if a little person I mean you see how tired they are too. Wow. Yeah. are the things that do, I think, the most damage. But I mean, like, you know,

49:22 very good thing and it taught me that my mom was strong for leaving my dad. because we sit around and we think about it. all my friends that are musicians, all my friends that are musicians, You didn't? Except, Kind of like what I'm wearing right now, funnily enough. They loved us. Yeah. I got fucked up anyway. Yeah. You don't know Sam Kennison? is the greatest,

52:23 It was a fat guy I worked at a, this is one of the reasons Okay, easy, easy. And she's doing this bit about, there's a real news story about these homosexual necrophiliacs to do some journalistic reporting here, will ya? it. You put it out of your mind. But you figure They're in there going, Oh, I don't believe this. And I'm crying laughing. I thought comedy was a guy who just stood in front of the microphone and said,

56:06 And why else did you get into being a comedian? I have a sister. stepdad who she's still with today and do you like him yeah he's a great guy okay yeah super Because it was scary. being a comedian I was just trying to lighten up the mood and that's how I got into stand-up And I was always, and then we lived there for a while But when it gets to be like 13 and 14, then it starts getting violent.

59:10 that know how to fight well i'm gonna really know how to fight so i went into it then it became my Were you born in Boston? So they had it in the Bay State Games and I won. I wanted to fit in. Because you didn't grow up in it. Although the Irish don't speak like that. Please go. Yeah. They're terrible. You felt you could take the competition. Because the learning curve of stand-up comedy is so long.

1:02:23 And do you still do your stand-up? Clever girl. But I have a serious attention deficit disorder. You open your mouth and it comes out. on stage of 300,000 people Wow. So I think that some people, the moments of brilliance, these moments of spectacular experience that they have are so different than most people's lives. true so i, my point being people. You know?

1:05:36 and the intensity is so And I'm thinking to myself, okay, remember this because this is important. And then I try and tell somebody No, I'm intense. That is an expression that never had its day. Yes, only fools. Yes. Really? That's not sad at all. all the time. So when you are face-to-face with them, the Fringe but that motherfucker funny men like yourself

1:08:51 He's not doing that? I think it's Parkinson's or dementia. I'm sure it does. Yeah. No tolerance. Too soft out here. And it's really fast dialogue. And sometimes I'll crack a joke and the whole table will be like, what? He went, you didn't embarrass me. I have a poor husband who's very, very sort of quiet. oh god, did she just say that? Google it, bitch, to me.

1:11:51 Yes, you're right. Oh, okay. Gird one's loins. That's a good one. Yeah. no worries. You just go on the tour bus and so great for a year And so it's a is getting higher and higher and higher. Come on, you'll love it. It was like, what is it, around like 2000 when the floor dropped out? I actually wrote about it. That's not my place to worry about it, really.

1:15:33 had to create it but they were the only ones who had the power and the financial resources to do so I mean it's a crime spree. Less than a penny a pop. it's fascinating for young artists i i don't know i despair it's like you know you're you're hooked But to where? any endorsements you get. Perry or Bieber, what have you, then that company can use its resources to make you even bigger.

1:18:39 Like it used to be a song would be a top 40 hit on the radio, there's so few musicians now taking independent? Is he the guy that's independent? Well, there's obviously always an exception to the rule. Right. I think it's creepy. because we don't have a distribution label that can compete. I mean, they have to have a semblance of something good. That's why you're seeing fewer and fewer artists that have long careers,

1:21:48 about the music business, about how complicated it is. the executives have made money, and then the artists get money. the Transpo, the record company I've sent. They're charging you for every single thing upon you selling your art. That's right, and We did this. Look at what a great job You know, I mean, it's just like it's difficult to deal with at first,

1:23:53 own stance, you know? What's a normal? Holy shit. You know, it's difficult for them. think younger artists are going to get way smarter than we ever were and just go hold on a minute An agent gets a piece because they book it. we make 10 of everything we earn so that's basically we know that what we can make a By the time the taxes decimate because we only give away

1:26:43 They have to pretend that they're rich. we can't sustain our lives and our world Although I feel that, again, that's changing too slowly. like a big part of the fun part. were kind of our working men's heroes, you know, our working man heroes. Well, it's a foolish thing to worship because, you know the ultimately like what an artist is Stacks on deck.

1:29:18 It's always nice to have a cushion, right? who have very modest jobs, Yeah. You know, they have all their happy marriages, happy kids, balanced kids. in oftentimes, when you're pursuing wealth, you're pursuing wealth at all costs. I mean, small loan of two million dollars yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean it's he certainly has inherited quite But I feel like, what do we then say to the people that don't have that and never will have that?

1:32:28 we were Kings. Okay. and by saying we were kings like you don't want to be a fucking king man like nobody should be a fucking king should be zero kings and you Oh, please. are really powerful and perhaps you can is, you know, I think that there's a lot to be said, I guess, wanting to have their taxes cut rather than inject some taxes into the community. I mean,

1:35:03 I think it's a weird game that people play where it becomes just about getting those points up on Oh, there's a show coming out too, right? she is still so beautiful the interview him disconnected and then they have to wait 15 minutes before they can reconnect so he's doing this yeah It's like, you know, it's no big deal. But essentially, I wonder, is it that Democrats are able to utilize their imagination and a Republican is less imaginative?

1:37:54 I wish I knew more about how that all works. I think people are very easily influenced. I think We were talking about Holland the other day, that Holland has something like 17 different parties, viable parties. But surely on both sides of the fence, you have free thinkers. I think we're going to get through it. But America is young as fuck. Yeah. And that's

1:40:40 forever. Fucking Braveheart days that have actually gone to war with the press, I mean, and then he was challenged the other day by CBS. I think it's more that. Yeah, he walked out when they were challenging. Like, what? It helps us sort of reinvigorate our So now they know. Now they know, and now we know. being distributed by anyone whether it's uh breitbart or anyone who just creates a blog

1:44:24 Yeah. Yeah, I think they are. Yeah, I mean, it's weird times, but weird It's not mine. We're getting profound out of here. I didn't like the feeling of somebody pretending to be me and putting words into my mouth. Say woke a lot. I was lit. But that's old school. I do own it. That was run by my city of Edinburgh. Rage and Rapture Tour. If you can't find it, just Google it.

1:46:34 August 11th, that's my birthday. Crazy. I'm a Virgo. We'll be back soon.