Joe Rogan Experience #959 — Mick West Transcript

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0:00 And we're live ladies and gentlemen. We're live sporting the latest round earth shill. We're just coming out with it. Round earth shill t-shirts. Both Jamie and I get $3 per month from the federal government to tell you that the world is round. Trends and They actually believe it yes Yeah, I think that type of person because they're so infuriating to the average person that they're just going to be, what

2:32 Let me find his, because I saved it. single photo of this fucking ice wall that's supposed to be around Antarctica. that there's a fucking saddle is a bunch of satellites but there's one from Japan And the Russians, the Russians have a satellite. It's not as good as the other ones. Then you could like find a friend somewhere else photos are fake they look fake i'm like but how would you know what a real photo of earth from

5:26 and it all matches up exactly with what the weather is around the world. Really? Professional pool players? Thinks the world's flat. If you talk to them, you'd be like, this is a reasonable It is and there's so spin i mean you you can tell that they're round there's a lot of flat earthers have the same camera that I've got, It's not like a SLR or anything.

8:02 sun. like ships going beyond the horizon. And they move around, they've got orbits of like, some of them I think are 80 hours or something, Using Kepler's laws of planetary motion Like, you've run Metabunk for a long time, Yeah. Fret me out, man. The government, man. and then slightly fewer thousand years ago people figured out that it wasn't. figured out the shape of the universe and you know in the uh the 1800s there was a gentleman

12:26 you will find in Samuel Robotham's book from 1860. And in fact, if you read DeBay's book, They think that satellites are fake as well. There's lots of people who think that nukes are fake and that dinosaurs being fake is And some of them are quite technical. That's the experiment that supposedly… called the luminiferous ether. direction, then they shot it in the other direction, then when it came back together, it combined

15:42 which was kind of the start of people realizing, oh, the center of the universe not really so much flat earthers people who were geocentrists into the descriptions in Genesis, then you're Well, you started MetaBunk when? I started to see things about Flat Earth. I've come to realize that I'm not. Like the idea that anybody would actually believe that I've had so many people tweet at me

19:05 And then the big question is, was on a planet. Well, a lot of conspiracy theories basically boil down to some kind of suspicion of other I think perhaps, you know, perhaps because of the whole, the Jews killed Jesus, so Christians don't like the Jews, or some Christians don't like the Jews. anything other than your website what can be done if if anything, other than your website?

21:09 But there's some 16-year-old kids out there that maybe are in high school and maybe don't have a real formal education in science or astrophysics. never looked into it i just watched a documentary and this guy had the footage i was like wow these And so I was convinced, man. high-speed camera showed actual bugs so what those rods were was just a video

22:56 But I don't think it would work, though, But I think like if you start slowly I do it I engage with a lot of like Because that was one of the big things that the flat Earth people kept saying, The guy who made that video showed up at a Q&A that I did once for the UFC. They call them Roswell rods, which is hilarious. The best footage was from a bunch of cave jumpers.

25:01 But they filmed, they set up a camera flat earth communities which is hilarious the flat one of the best one I recently did a debunk that looked like a weird thing, and we figured out it was actually just a plane flying away from the helicopter, And they're always putting up these photographs of things. and people are like, oh, great capture, dude.

28:05 Like they're just very supportive of them. Yeah people like said oh yeah it's just this light but other people were like what the heck why don't you believed in outlandish things, I found the same thing over and over and over again. Illogical hundreds of billions of planets in each galaxy universe, hundreds of billions of planets in either might catch if you're there the right place the right time or not and that they're from another

30:44 happens when you're sleeping. or whether they just had just an erratic dump of this human neurochemical that entered into because there was no spider that it wasn't real but i could see if someone was having a different you know my brains fixed itself or whatever but well it's probably a lot that the government threatened my family Yeah. routes and overseas flights and the fact that you can fly west and land east I

34:11 Well, one thing I want to try to introduce to people who believe in the flat Earth you see does that match what you see on the ground. you what the stars are. You know, basically you just look at what's on the screen, and you can ask someone else to verify it's correct for where they are, Do you think that a lot of what's going on with these people that are theorizing,

37:06 and what scientists are discovering on a daily basis is so mind-blowing. They have to time space flights based on whether or not they're going to hit these satellites, They tried to capture space junk? That's the real stuff. Yeah, one thing I've heard is that they think that if they can convince you You're not just convincing someone that 2 plus 2 equals 5,

39:22 I mean, look, there's not a whole lot of difference they're making documentaries about it self-help in the beginning, more and more like the further that you get into it. Well, also the, things. And if you can't observe it for yourself, then it isn't real, think, oh, that's great. Yeah. And it changed a lot of people's diets and really fucked a lot of people up in terms

43:02 Trust yet verify. And if you want to trust Eric DeBay, that's fine, but check the things that he says. a little bit when you look out the window of a plane You brought a carpenter's level? had actually dropped away which meant that DeBay's claim about the horizon rising to eye level which And then how, how like huge the earth actually is. And you get this like little image of a plane at 30,000 feet.

45:32 And they don't understand how little it actually curves. slightly curved. But when you look at it, it looks perfectly straight. You have to actually like, straight because it's hardly moving at all. and you keep finding more and more confirmation bias, more people inside that walled garden, which meant it's always going to be exactly the same as the horizon.

48:10 They'll say, here's Catalina Island, and it's 60 miles away. the ocean you don't see anything on the other side yeah like what's over there well so far away that you can't see it Decreases in virtually proportional to its distance Yeah. It's about what you can see visually, what the image is projected onto your eyes, or Yeah. and to waste any time. The only thing that's good about it is you'll recognize

51:22 ideas when I was growing up would you? I thought I could bring about world peace But back then I thought, I can set up this organization of the relatives of world leaders Back in the day. and so you're kind of rebelling against things. I wanted to I believed in a bunch of stupid shit and the big one for me that I've clung to longest is Bigfoot them through the woods. It is so stupid looking. See if you can find it, Jamie. And this guy,

53:57 You know, the Scientologists, Where is it? Like, look at that. minute. Like if you look at a gorilla, a gorilla doesn't look like a person in a gorilla suit. Gets plastic surgery in the face and they like radically alter their face like when someone gets plastic surgery in the face and they like radically alter their face it's jarring to us and one of the reasons

55:54 Not and I yeah, your brain's just so hardwired to recognize faces. Yes, it just automatically It's not even a good one, and there's so many people that trot out that Patterson footage Yeah, it's uh yeah, you want things to be true like ufos i was i was kind of into ufos and the next level of disbelief of imaginary things that they want to be true. We all believed strange things when we were young and I think that aliens in a lot of ways are like a cosmic daddy

58:43 And they become, you know a living at it and they become you know air quotes experts and that that becomes a problem or sometimes even over 100 miles away, and you can make out the plane. If you've got a good camera and you zoom in far enough, I think the challenge is getting people to look at things. This is like a solar eclipse, though. it gets closer to the sun every time.

1:01:31 So you should encourage people who are Flat Earth believers where you know the debate model of things it's kind of like in the chem trail believer but he he's like the equivalent of debate really because he's the guy who's really the flat earth believers as well like you some people think that got the same type of range of things in the flat earth, believers, as well.

1:03:33 They think they're lizard people. Sounds real. Nuclear bombs. and then there's you know you get more and more plausible. There was pre-planted explosives, we all conspiracy theories end up with is the everything is an illusion we are It's entirely possible that 100 years from now or whatever it is, yeah uh in an altered timeline or there was this movie uh called shazam uh done by i can't remember

1:06:46 He believes it. Mind-blowing. reasonable to assume that if you put on the htc vive they have this one underwater experience it's fairly adolescent stage. It was like, I can't believe I'm controlling something on the television. you could put it under a microscope and you could dissect it and you can look at and check it it's a bit of a philosophical question though because

1:10:19 No. I mean, as time moves on, 5,000 years from now, whatever it is, Create an artificial reality that felt to you entirely real I don't think intelligent it's going to improve upon its design almost instantaneously it's Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, it's a thought experiment I mean, scientists are looking at the laws of physics. living in some kind

1:12:59 we can't do anything about it. what we're creating when we're creating these artificial environments that the Yeah, it seems to me that that's the thing that people do and I think we could bring it back to this flat earth thing He's at the top of his field, a happy family, great friends, great hobbies, loves his life, and then it just becomes a UFO nut.

1:14:59 Most pool players, one of the things about, what's that common expression about pool players? It's kind of like a hobby in a way. like i do these fun little experiments like on the plane today, I was on the plane I've seen other people on YouTube, conspiracy theory yeah uh or their their actual real life suffers and a lot of people get sucked It's just because they become obsessed with something

1:17:33 But from their point of view, they're trying to wake up other people. Well, it was a discussion document. that you're going to deceive the American people and kill American civilians. And that this is a Like one of the things that I've brought up before, and people hate when I talk about this, but I'm going to do it again. They pulled it off. and UFOs and all that jazz,

1:19:58 As to what it was. Gulf of Tonkin. That didn't happen. his agenda now is that a conspiracy it's hard to say like what knowledge did bush have of the 9-11 attacks to push his agenda. Now, is that a conspiracy? whether the Gulf of Tonkin reports were fabricated Oh, totally they do. Oh, yeah. And then it turns out, no, believe in exercise because he believes that the body has a finite amount of energy in

1:23:05 He's not healthy. Alex goes hard all the time. Sure. They think that that footage is fake. see scenes in movies where someone was moving in zero gravity they would film that in a plane that it wouldn't fit in. it's obvious it flies over You can get them And you can also do it from different positions and get two people doing it. and the solar panels and the main modules and everything.

1:26:46 really no way you could fake that on a flat earth because you'd have to have this bizarre, you know, you stand one of them at the bottom of South Africa, one of them at the bottom of South America, Right, and you can actually see this and take photographs of the constellations and compare them. on a flat Earth. time-lapse of the North Star it actually makes a little circle well and also that

1:29:33 But Polaris, Polaris is a good one for a number of reasons. where it's dark out at night, What's interesting is that some cultures, But the other stars as well, like if you know how long it takes I had food poisoning yesterday, folks. Might be the flat earthers coming together. isn't sucked off into space ah well how about the one where that's a good one but it's a good one

1:31:59 But the thing is, vacuum doesn't actually suck. So there's nothing that can push it out, if you see what I'm saying. Yeah, they don't believe in gravity. It's electromagnetic. down right but it's electromagnetic something or another well it's a magical force that's making It says, gravity is not strong enough to stop a small stream from flowing to its lowest point.

1:34:12 was dirt and half the planet was water kind of weird why would that be any weirder than what it bottom why is it core the fires of hell are heating it up the fires of hell look at this an hour, then the water would When you're driving in a car, like if you're driving really, really fast, and if you take it and stick it in a little turntable Scroll up.

1:36:34 You were an accident. We are incredibly valuable. see they have the Sun on one side and it's illuminating how the earth yeah and Game of Thrones. It's like 36,000 miles of it. Well, they make up facts and then they use those you wouldn't be able to get to an airport. There's a set of regulations called ETOPS, And some people will be turned. It's very comfortable.

1:39:20 Right. I'm pretty easy to dismiss. and now I just potter around the house, We've got a better place for you eyes that he knows aren't there. that have more gelons is Lyme disease and whatever these other diseases are, that's causing them to For Lyme disease? think that there is these long-term effects so there's there's some dispute And he had it for a full year where he was undiagnosed.

1:43:12 Calling them liars? So eventually I stopped that, I had a conversation with a friend of mine i was like that has got to be the want to use. or these shadows go this way. So they came in, they picked up the remains of the balloon, and then the story just took off. I read it if it's a Bigfoot or if it's aliens have you ever seen anything in all of your years of trying to debunk these things That made you question whether or not this was a legitimate phenomena or the chemtrails anything anything anything

1:46:15 But, like, it being, like, a ghost or an alien spacecraft Is there any evidence, like in terms of UFOs, that's interesting? I don't know. of people who made claims like this and then eventually He believed in the fairies? Look at that. They stuck to that. they changed their life and they started looking for fairies and wasting their time when i was

1:49:27 Yeah. from the 1950s where it's a it's great old black and white footage when they talk to him about And he became pretty famous and wrote loads of books. It's really hard to do, Now, it's not easy. It doesn't actually happen. you will see that the bottom part of the road and the buildings is obscured. on is the thought process there's a way the human mind gravitates towards these puzzles and these problems and these these

1:52:58 board where they have to review your paper and go, hey, you wrote a bunch of stuff that's not true. Just do that first. but really actually do some real research, I can't believe it. I know. I get excited about the eclipse, but not everyone does. It's going to be totality in Oregon, but you'll be able to see it from all over. Yeah. It's not like the real world.

1:55:25 and the thing is that the map the maceda map gets stretched out to the top but also gets stretched Why do they do that? map but the most common map that was used like before like say 30 years ago was this makita because if you're going on a constant compass heading on a globe, that is in thousands of homes, millions of homes and schools People have circumnavigated the globe.

1:57:50 You know what Australia looks like it's more or less like this looks like we do earth. It's kind of like this Yeah, so, nothing like that. to create this flat earth map and put this ice wall. of a down and fall down you will fall on a moving platform and then fall down, you will And then my friend Matt said, no, that's wrong. have moved on because he's moving the same speed as the truck. So he jumps up and then he lands

2:00:59 this this reasonable guy who was like you know video game programmer who to figure out a way to explain it. See ya. you