Joe Rogan Experience #962 — Jocko Willink Transcript

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0:00 4, 3, 2, welcome back Jocko, what's happening baby? I'm, How does the lead singer of sound I can't even imagine it. I don't get it. and someone that's already got everything and then they're then they're up with no drive with no goal and Like this life is meaningless. Yeah, no, there's no doubt about that. It's hilarious. I mean, just fucking doing it.

4:16 It's sort of, in a lot of ways, it's symbolic of what we're talking about. I like looking at your watch. Yeah. Yeah, and I get up because it is a way to maintain discipline in life, for sure. struggled more, you get over that struggle, you feel better. So it's easy to raise your voice Yeah. saying himself okay well how am I getting out of Well, there's one way to get out of

8:03 talking to this mom once, uh, her daughter, uh, And they're having this insane pressure like before high school and in high school to be in Ivy League schools and to get 4.0s. spiral and there's, they can't get out of it. And if they were to step back, if they were, I can't wait to work out again. stronger. And then at lunchtime, you're not saying, hey, where's the pizza and where's the

10:52 crisis. Your body's just processing all this bullshit. Yeah. And people ask me that too. Yeah, that's a it's a giant factor. And if you're eating a big, like bullshit lunch You're fucking pumped man you what you're doing it when you get out of work you're fueling up with water quick when you get in there and you see your boys and they're getting ready to tear you up on the

12:34 then your lunch was filled with bullshit, You're carving your fucking path through broken rocks and glass, and it's not the way to go. Grab that water just do it. I know you don't want to but just do it and you're like I fucking did it You get to feel what really is you get in that mode where you've been truly thirsty It's what you're supposed to have folks well. I think people are supposed to struggle

15:07 Survive yeah, you know Dana White and I have talked about this so many times that it transcends every language like You know, I mean, the real sport of MMA, like, is not, I mean, it is unquestionably, it's a sport and there are rules. Like, if you grab their legs and push them, they'll fall down. Okay, what you're going to do is you're going to have this guy throw the ball to you three times every time you swing if the missus that's a that goes

17:05 You can kill them or you can accept you can accept their tap and you can have mercy on them an athletic white belt that might spaz out need to make is choosing your training partners. And you don't want to train if you're a 52 year Yeah, I teach my kids class sometimes. and you see their little brain spinning man and you see them practicing on each other and they're

19:26 Especially boys. and they're trying to push each other, as soon as you show him three things, like you said, his wheels are turning. pounds one of those kids that's 145 pounds would absolutely have destroyed me if we got into a Yeah, and that part of it is what I think really for me transferred from jiu-jitsu to not only to the battlefield but to you don't just come down and bark orders at people because that's not as effective as maneuvering and

22:54 Hey, Joe, I want you to take down this building once you pack capture this bad guy came up with a stupid plan and here we are, it's failing. Forget it. We're going back. We're not going to carry out the That means nothing to them Seminars. the battlefield with their own ideas they're gonna have with their own agendas and they going to think of ways to do things that they think are better than yours.

25:49 plan and who are the leaders and why do the leaders have the right ideas and who educates I think I agree with Tim Kennedy. That's their idea. Yeah, that's, that's where it gets tricky, right? Because if you're in that, like one of the things you're actually going to put these people in more danger. That is true. Yeah. You should, like I said, if you let the civilians

28:21 Well, Vietnam seems like to me from an outsider to be one of the most fucked up wars ever. If people are close mind that you're not going to be able to move forward against when the battlefield changes and the battlefield changes all the time. So it took us some time to adjust our strategy in Iraq. You got to have you got to have the will to kill people and and again, I say this all the time

30:36 And if you think, oh, I'm going to go to war and we're just going to kill the bad guys, it's not going to happen. of the coin is of course, if you're going to send people to war, people, Americans are going to die and they should know that there's consequences to these actions. money. And one of the first times that they released a lot of pictures of American dead Americans was I think it was the Battle of Tarawa.

32:42 We need money. No, maybe we should, uh, maybe we should not only, you know, maybe we should not only show No, it's happening and you need to you need to know it What do we do? What do we do then? And we need to do something when when horrible things are happening and and you know We're gonna high-five. That's not what war is and let's not ever forget that that's not what war is war is

36:26 wars and, and robots being able to accomplish wars. I actually believe that thing will come. or that I'm going to sit here and explain to you what the future of, you know, warfare from a They bounce back up. know any people that don't, the people that don't have good robots yet. Yeah. And that's not going know wheels or tracks or whatever the you know wheels or tracks with little pods that could get over things would

39:09 Yeah. The real combat robots probably won't look like they won't be bipedal. And it's terrifying. Yeah, that's what you need is some kind of a legs that can pop out if they need to yeah Just look it up. What's supposed to be significant? But that thing, rewind that a little bit. And it fucking bounces over this hurdle like it's nothing. Boing! Yeah, you know what you down and kill you

42:15 I'll go down in a blaze of glory. The thing you tried. So what does it do? Resolution? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Low resolution. It's got a little barcode. Yeah. to hold it up to see it. Whoa. Like it might not work for Jocko willing, And just to bring this conversation back to where we were, Almost like but not a conventional battery the way we think of us but almost like a storage vessel for energy

45:56 it is just not taking care of their meat vehicle so they're getting all this confusing messages And I have a friend who works at Disneyland and he was telling me like he started working there ten years ago Yeah. Like, when is this going to end? That's what they say who knows whether what by the time they say that my thought is the guy telling you is probably some fucking fake

48:23 So things like there they think that's gonna take the work of CRISPR for you. So things like they think that's going to take the There's gonna be some people that have one eye and two heads and just gonna be all jacked up and they're gonna what do we? Because once you can eliminate all these different diseases. Your neurons are the only things that you keep for the whole life.

50:17 I'm gonna be 11 Fuck you up is accidents and murder and you know shit like that and then roids is life become more precious He's that crazy asshole from England. There was one just a couple of days ago. But you see them on the very top of the Golden Gate Bridge doing some silly shit, hanging Me and one of my buddies we were doing pull-ups off the side of the ship at night on a little cable

53:00 There's something that resonates about hanging from something by your hands. really scary i'm the opposite really balance is scarier than hanging i'd rather hang i feel pretty I mean, how many of these guys die? Somewhere in Russia, of course. How he built into this did he start at 20 feet and then he went to 30 feet and then he got more confident?

54:56 I'm going to talk to this methed out psychopath I don't know. And, you know, my family, we go up to Yosemite and stuff, so we are familiar. Like you're at a reverse degree, you know, like 15 degrees the wrong way For him And it was shocking how the little amount of time, the small amount of time that men in particular could hang from a pole. he was like this football player looking dude oh yeah and he didn't make it man he was like a minute

57:38 There's like a point of diminishing returns and the Cain Velasquez storm was the one of the more fascinating things to watch in all my years of the ufc because right it's medium twitch slow to it yeah well know that there's there's slow would tell me that kane would be out for months like get an injury and come back and just outwork everybody like you just have insane cardio so maybe it's

1:00:00 He's a machine and obviously that comes from training hard. If you keep pushing it, you're going to blow this knee out. Interestingly, same, similar body style. And you're like, yeah, this guy works hard. Like, he was doing kettlebells but way before But he the way he mixed them together They're like and after eight nine years the highest level like nobody's body holds up

1:03:06 That's why Fedor's right up there at the top People diamonds But that attitude of not giving a fuck There's an equal and opposite reaction, right? just put him in there and just let him get destroyed. Well, his knees were mangled. So he would wrap his knees up like a mummy. Brutal, brutal KOs. Yeah, the Gary's gonna fuck him up most likely but Aoki's good man

1:06:53 Went wrong what's required of athletes and and how to excel and the difference between an athlete in competition versus a difference in training This guy's gonna do okay, but then they'd get in the they'd get in the cage and boom Yeah. You got to get that. And, and, and we got some guys at the, this guy at the gym right now, You're going to see him.

1:08:59 And their striking's okay, but they can't quite make that transition. on me and you're trying to submit me with my own move the chimera yeah i'm like bro don't worry Stress it's just the mind so like you like the idea that these pitfalls in the mind are insurmountable Well that being said it is similar to what we talked about earlier Which is when you have somebody that's caught in their own mind. They can't get the perspective to step out

1:11:18 much every time i've ever been humiliated on the mat every time i've ever been like really man and, uh, all the people in the town is like maybe like a purple belt coaches and they, You know, you gotta not mind. Hey that guy Taylor that I'm talking about I've rolled with some wrestlers before. Well in MMA. Oh, yeah If you're, if you're boxing and sparring with people and you think you're just going to

1:14:34 philosophy. Like they don't have a goal, like in terms of like, I want to work on footwork Yeah. He was creative. I know I could lift more weights. I know I could do something better. I think this is a huge thing, And then occasionally I see a guy and I go, no, you know what? And, you know, I look at Jack Black. And I look at the same time, I look at, you know, at Johnny Bones Jones.

1:17:27 I mean, he's unbelievably talented. impressed and i thought it was a very close fight i actually and i'll have to watch it again i don't That was at 170, right? Antibiotics and that's one of the reasons why he was so drained like people like oh he cast out like if you've never taken Oh, really? Yeah, that's what I think. As long as you don't get disqualified.

1:19:48 He's going to make, he estimated, I don't know if it's true, between 75 and a hundred First of all, Floyd's 40, almost 41. You look at him I hope it goes down. Like, that's one of the things that he did with Nate. Interim something or they were supposed to do that but fucking Habib Nurmagomedov I don't know what he really weighed, but he's a bad motherfucker.

1:22:22 Crazy fucking wild bloodbath until Tony caught him with the darts. or his medical issues, I mean, You're going to have to do it because it's rapid dehydration. and he is such a fucking animal. yeah even the 195 weight class they should do 10 they should skip 70 and do 10 every, you know, like do 25, 35, 45, 55, 65. I've tried to explain this to people because I've been in the room and stood next to those guys. Bisping is a big, big, big man. And GSP is a normal sized guy.

1:24:55 Like, what the fuck? He's a big dude. the championship not even that i think it was a few days i think it was like 11 days notice or something crazy now just being pissed talking I'm good. He's grabbed the inside of his glove and punched him in the face a couple times where he's holding Yoel's glove I mean even Damian Maya you see him get rear naked chokes with the hand on top of the head, like old school Ken Shamrock style.

1:27:23 You can get deep in there. Oh, it's amazing how hard it is to choke people when you have those, especially those pride gloves, the big padded ones. Oh, yeah. glove. No, they don't. You're less of a barbarian. You make yourself, you make yourself more able to hit someone and Like even like holding pads for guys when we're backstage getting ready like they're they just turn it up. Yeah

1:29:33 needs it. I think we see more submissions. Yeah, I mean I remember when I first started working for the UFC Yeah. Jiu-jitsu guy at that time we're like oh in 1992 was theoretical and and we you know some somebody will say something to me on the internet the fuck he's doing and you chain punch him it's not good hit somebody 17 times in the head when

1:32:29 It just seems to me that, like, did you see that video that is becoming a huge issue in That he battered this Tai Chi master and made their country look bad It's supposed to be great for I had one of my one of my buddies If you just have these ideas in your head that you're going to stand in front of them, Hmm, but yeah, because wonder yeah, but you know it seems to me that this is something that they need to see

1:34:51 And he says well what do you mean you can sell your cheese as you know I once I center my chi and it's based And yeah, so. Yeah. People believe it. I get fucking shit every day from people that are flat-earth supporters that are mad at me is magic because because it kind of is you know when you know jujitsu you can do things that are almost magic right, but then when you're teaching somebody for the first time

1:36:57 Believe in I guess yeah, and maybe they just want a contrarian viewpoint, so that's why they pick saying that the earth is flat We're not on a globe. and have a contrary viewpoint? just straight up They had that Heaven's Gate thing where all those put on those purple shoes they put on the purple Nikes of pliable and you could force it into positive productive ways you can you can you can express

1:39:32 things don't believe that i believe something else i go that's interesting that's an interesting viewpoint Oh, actually there's a photo taken every 10 minutes from 22,000 miles away of the full earth. That's that's got to be one of the best podcasts that I've ever heard. He's a mind blower unbelievable podcast and And they either had to do one of two things say, OK, I'm going to start training this other new thing that I don't understand or block it out, which was very hard to do with jujitsu.

1:42:31 And you show me another picture. Martial art for fighting. It's got by itself. It's got too many holes in it fucked you know because i got Like a white, but some of us never trained jiu-jitsu before is it has a zero percent chance of beating a guy And at least the person that hasn't boxed before has some semblance of an idea of what to do right block the punches from hitting me and try

1:45:09 Instead of just agreeing or disagreeing with them and arguing and going to war with them, and then what we need to do is take all the money in the country and Would it be 10 years? Let's say you get a 90 95 on your test and then what happens with communism is there's another kid in your class You're you're all just level set you're all gonna get the same thing, and that's why it's failed everywhere. It's tried

1:47:50 If you spread it all around you're gonna end up with no one wanting to achieve anything It doesn't seem to like work in terms of like motivation You did earn that money. the concept of income inequality is always strange because it's like, No, Yeah, I don't you you got to be we we have to be careful that and and of course Yeah. They're sort of almost programmed into it because they're seeing it around them.

1:51:18 They didn't get designated as a Native American tribe. an hour. I'm going to work that hard doing that. Or am I just going to take my welfare check, I think your statement that you always say, because you don't have that balloon hovering over you, yeah you know i wouldn't feel good about it and Yeah. You know, I wouldn't feel good about it. There's tests they're doing.

1:54:23 Or would that just squash motivation? I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. I'd say what I Every time you every time the government gives a dollar to somebody Or the best example. Well, okay. Yeah. I'll give you that. I'll give you that. Yeah. Uh, none of that food comes from vegas it all gets trucked in there so at some point all those ground ourselves to it. Well, at the very least, the more you're going to have to deal with whatever

1:57:34 there and I don't have a job anymore and I just get, you know, 12 to a thousand bucks a month, is I fucking did it. It's a kid's book way the warrior kid and the reason I wrote it is because first of all all the things that we're talking He's doesn't know his times tables, which you should absolutely know in fifth grade, but he doesn't know him So he's thinks he's stupid now He doesn't know how to swim because he never learned and he's when they go on the field trip to the to the lake

2:00:01 And the seal teams and he's just got out of theAL teams and he's gonna go to college in the fall but he's gonna spend the summer with his you can't do any pull-ups and you're getting picked on we can change all those things we just not knowing times tables. I went through that with my daughter, my oldest daughter didn't know How do you learn how to fight you go down to your your jiu-jitsu school and

2:02:15 Start to dog paddle and then eventually start to swim and then eventually jump off the bridge There's gonna be ten of them and then you're gonna sing in front of you know the book's about and i wrote it so that kids can apply these things that I learned both in the SEAL teams and in raising my own kids, they can apply Yeah. you can make a path. You can do it. It can be done. And that's, that's, you know, that's kind

2:05:06 I'm a lot of kids don't have anybody in front of them like Jocko to tell them well, and you know what it's interesting the kids dad is not really present and You know if you wouldn't have done martial arts who would have told you that hey if you work hard and you train the first time. You got to learn how to do it. Of course you're not good at standup fighting and

2:07:24 I mean, factually, when our first book came out, it's a leadership book, right? And everyone thinks, Hey, you know, I can apply this new methodology that I haven't seen hadn't thought about before so they'll continue to grow and learn is just so important I was able to like way past areas like I've got this this trail my heart rate get down to like when I, when I, uh, when I have to take a break on these

2:10:30 get all skinny. You know, you'd go to a point where now that'd be your sole focus. And I know, Yeah, yeah, bro. Yeah, but like, you know kipping pull-ups But man if you can even just get a pull-up bar and maybe a set of rings I mean, it's so gigantic to have. But if you have a pull-up bar in your house, you can do pull-ups, you can do push-ups, So when you set out your workouts, do you, do you write them

2:12:59 Type of workout and I'm I need to not do it. I'm gonna do something else Do that to yourself. Tomorrow, I'm going to do a bunch of ring. Tomorrow I'm going to do a bunch of ring dips. that's, Yeah. Particularly strength training it protects the joints for sure in the back and a lot of other issues hardcore music. Yeah. And, and you know, so metal and hardcore bands like the bad brains uh crow mags agnostic front just old school hardcore bands from

2:16:07 Isn't it doesn't even really doesn't there's hardly there's hardly right there. I used to a great picture. Yeah, he's a mania And since he was like 10 years old, he was playing in a punk rock band in New York City when he was like 10 years old. And he just grew up in the streets of the lower east side of new york There'd be boot you know every two steps drugs dust crack everything and but that's where he grew up

2:18:15 Such a completely wide variety of people in here my guests have been basically positive than didn't Brian Stan right guys just like it like it just an Died burned alive in a dumpster as he lit a fire to try and keep himself warm of kind of middle road American people that that listen the podcast were like I got I was kind of used to dealing with people that people aren't used to dealing with and I think it helped me out a

2:21:25 So it's it's harder for me to prepare now. Of course. You've been preparing for this podcast for 50 years, right? from the beginning of, you know, when you said, and it was you and it was you and Tim Ferriss, I gotta get you on. I'm off and wrong and here I am talking about you know American soldiers doing heinous acts to innocent people and And so and I've done that I did do I did a podcast about the genocide in Rwanda

2:25:10 Know really a hundred percent. Why other than this thought in the back of my mind? That's where he comes here. I came across it in life going to understand what you need to look out for in the world and what we need to be aware of as a And if people like it, then that's awesome. He was saying some things like, you know, like talking about dragons and dragons have

2:28:10 Being a warrior right and how these guys in modern times when I hear him say oh yeah this is this normal for guys to go out and fight I think we're inundated with so much stupid shit every day. Because talking to all these interesting and fascinating people and wise people, it's been like having some crazy crash course in a million different disciplines and a bunch of different conversations and seeing the pitfalls of some people's thinking and being around people where you see the holes in their way they express

2:31:11 new band that someone tells me or turns, turns me onto, but I don't listen to anybody. Like I don't They talk about the fact that the first thing they do in a revolution listening to this right now they're sitting in the room with us they're here so it's it's a very very powerful medium that I think got skipped over and you I was absolutely I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna every you know my goal is that when people

2:34:24 So the that kind of audience if you are on I know that you guys have a shit ton of downloads now. Yeah, and no and that's the beautiful thing about it There's a lot to that there's a lot to and also not interrupting your podcast is giant You're talking and they're thinking how you're thinking. It's not low tech, but it's low. It's like there's a reason why Netflix does so well and the reason why a lot of these HBO shows do so well is because they leave those fucking people alone.

2:36:55 It's the only thing I've ever done where they said we love it. They're like that's it. Yeah, do it go kick ass It is just you and you know even the first my first podcast came out and you know Work and travel and all that she key. I don't have time to sit there and talk to my wife for two and a half hours You know as we talk about going back to these primal things,

2:39:12 me feedback on Twitter and they're going to tell me this and they're going to tell me their story. is you train together but there's there's there's a gap in in human contact right now in having exist anymore in the in the day-to-day life for a lot of people you know what sitting in these fucking cubicles, rotting, Hey, if someone's picking on you go and tell the teacher

2:42:23 You know if you can't learn from a pirate that you got to go out and like crush some things sometimes No, you learn how to swim you step up you man up violence and everybody seems it's it's so different than all of our lives and we were That through pursuing these difficult things like in You need to do this stuff for yourself. whole life, that kid's going to be ferocious. Yeah. And if those kids have to compete with some kid who's had to take care of himself their whole life, that kid's going to be ferocious. Yeah. You're going to have a feral kid

2:45:46 Some of the hardest times that she's been put through is to come out and wrestle against some other girl and beat her down so my daughter has to step up I think everyone should listen to that. the world and they end up focusing on something that is borderline There's just a lot of weirdness today in this world then you look for one to latch onto. like comfort in those groups that these people belong to whether it's you know

2:49:41 And and running naked through the streets. I don't care. Don just don't fuck me yeah just don't you know don't cause trouble don't you know and again that's just Yeah. And I'm sure you get hey sounds good you know something go keep keep keep doing what you're obsessed with. So I don't even care that you're obsessed with it. That's cool. And when people ask me, hey, sounds good.

2:51:15 Like, hey man, Yeah, get obsessed but it's effective. Podcast Jocko podcast is the name of the podcast. It's available everywhere Jocko Willink, ladies and gentlemen. We'll see you soon.