Joe Rogan Experience #968 — Kelly Brogan Transcript

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0:00 Boom we're live that's it just like that so thank you for doing this welcome what's going on only is there like ample supply and demand but then it's you know it's a thing to talk about And I would imagine that if you have more of those components intact, you're probably a bit more okay than if you're living, you know, in, you know, midtown Manhattan.

2:06 I've never been there. I'm like a big, big winter complainer, and I have been my whole life. What do you mean? i'm 39 i was on birth control for 12 years so i never knew what it was what it meant to have like artificial hijacking of your endocrine system. That's interesting. So there's like some sort but the ultimate tool for oppression of, you know, the modern woman.

6:13 his daughter died from some complications with taking birth control pills and smoking cigarettes. activists in this realm. they think about it as something that liberated women. Exactly women because they can control whether or not they got pregnant and they were allowed for the first time to have careers and do whatever they wanted to because they didn't have to worry about being trapped.

7:40 you can literally tell the men that you are attracted to, unaffected. And of course, as we learn more about how all of these systems are totally you know, take this over. I'm going to manage this. And so who knows, maybe even it's a top down like mindset thing that begins to sort of divorce you from your sensibilities. We don't really know is the point

10:05 It's very bizarre. But what other alternatives are there? I mean, if you're a woman and you No, no, no. you know, requires like learning how to be a woman and also sharing the onus because, you know, Yeah. Upwards of like 10 million, I would say. And then you end up in the polypharmacy realm where you're taking multiple meds Like, what is this? come to me on a cocktail of like five medications.

14:11 ourselves. Like, in fact, we don't want to, you know, be her or him or be rich or beautiful. We So how does a doctor know? Right. My office is a little different. Oh, Jesus. It's surprising. Yeah, but it works. Nope. Bane. buy a steak and baked potato and everybody It feels really good because you're making like 20 grand a year working your ass off.

19:09 got a broken arm. Like I know what to do. We're going to set your arm and give you a cast. It's Are you like considered like a rat? because I guess the kind of science that I bring to the table, which is not my own, I don't have any original ideas, but I am really good, because, you know, I don't prescribe It's called that because it doesn't even have a connection to the evidence.

21:40 colleagues put together because I have a lot of incentive to do so because I'm practicing outside of the, you know, the gold standard, so to speak. So when you're in the fold, Whether you're eating six cans of tuna a day and mercury poisoning yourself doesn't. So like a lot of people want to feel, weirdly, you know, Because the efficacy of most antidepressants is pretty embarrassing, to be frank.

24:23 you know, it's really, it really comes down to the mindset, and that, you know, chemicals are necessary to manage your scary body and mind. believe that for sure. You know, the analogy is often, well, it's like insulin to a diabetic. Literally, I wake up every single day and devote my life to that purpose. You know, but I hate to be that guy because I already am.

26:26 You annoy people. People are ready, and once they have the information, it's sort of like, from different parts of the world and some people need different stuff and because you have a shitty job that you hate. It could be because your marriage has to go. And it I mean, the access to the data is there for everybody. And it's just bad luck and bad genes.

29:22 have no idea what we're doing scientifically, of course, right? Like cancer. No. Leukemia. No, it would include without exception. Really? But like serious errors like birth defects and things along those lines, that's not like a wise response to anything. Right. it's like a total black box. But epigenetics is like, how does the environment impact our genes,

32:19 in the way of your body, there may be a limit to which it can or will accommodate, right? Because like a paleo argument is like like we've evolved the same way for 95 of our evolution and now we just haven't Cubicles will eat your soul. biologically adapt, I think we won't, because there is like a cosmic intelligence that is doctor, a professional doctor with quarter million dollar debt. Right. Which is crazy. It's so much

35:19 Right, exactly. Are you tired, Sally? It's a hazing process. Well, even if it's not a design, to stay in line. You cannot get out of those fuckers. They keep you. So you make some ridiculous decision to go to some school and you get some grant or you get some sort of scholarship. constantly waiting till we get there. We're not getting there. I think that free education,

38:55 is really what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm always thinking about it. I got to take a chance, expression, encourage, you know, sort of consciousness expansion are, you know, it so that they could go after these people in the civil rights movement, go after these They missed like 5-methoxy-DMT, And I definitely still don't have any of it. whether it is people's appetite or certain arthritic conditions.

42:06 So I think that's the big conspiracy. I agree. You have police unions. Because I just thought, okay, like I've, you know, once I woke up, whatever it was almost also which is like not as common in men, but probably because nobody's looking for it. and he was going over her prescription, he was mocking the fact that she was on Armour Thyroid. Gone. And he's not wrong because it is an old-fashioned medicine.

45:35 Did you go to a dirty place with like macrame and stuff? Did she smell like patchouli or incense? Yes. Oh absolutely hmm that was good that's that's it felt right even So the two things, of course, she asked me to take out were gluten and dairy. And so I was like, wow, she must be on to something. that putting autoimmune conditions into remission has anything to do with diet.

47:35 all these meds we were talking about, like, you know, statins or acid blockers or antibiotics. Typical New Yorker. New York liberal coming at you. New York liberal scientist. But I didn't do it. You like how you're feeling. They're not ready for that level of transformation. right like so many fucking smart people smoke cigarettes and it's so confusing it's like you're

50:49 You got to start eating papayas. Because we're invested in reflecting a felt wrongness, you know, I would call it. one of my favorite quotes is this like Krishnamurti quote that it's no measure of health to be well Honk, honk. He loves the city. Well, that's unusual to have just one thing sorted out. Like, the messaging is keep it together. they're the ones who feel, you know, the collective wound, you know, if you want to call it that, more than we do.

53:21 No, it's interesting, actually, because most of my patients are. They find some repressed expression, something like that. See if you find anything on that. suicide, right? So you are a very important Finnish study, you know, demonstrated that That guy, Lubig, like who took down the plane, the Germanwings plane. Causation, correlation. that makes it so that you, by design,

56:50 and explode. I had known about this paper of which he was one of 10 or 11 subjects by these authors, They were normal citizens and they went on to do this crazy thing. I'm so glad you're feeling better. and then after that he killed his kid? So it's like, you know, punishing the punishing the victim, so to speak. But the sort of like chink in the armor is perhaps this issue, which is that we don't really have a good way of identifying.

1:00:17 committed by It is really crazy that that's denied. educated and informed person who for the most part part, is probably liberal and, you know, because we're talking about people that want to get rid of guns. So and nobody tests for it. Like literally, apart from functional medicine doctors, perhaps, neurologic symptom that's induced by the impaired, it's thought to be impaired

1:02:49 They had a great benefit Relationship stuff. It's a pretty rare story. That issue aside, I'm, you know, a crusader for informed consent. long term on all categories of psychiatric meds I just had this health experience of my own. Right. So I read it and basically what he says is, okay, so we have to publish something when it's positive than when it's not. And they can publish whatever they want

1:06:04 the published literature, right? They have sedating effects usually up front. And his argument is that And just like alcohol, okay, like some people love alcohol. that dependency? But the long term is known to us, like the long term Are you cool with that? Right? Like, are you okay with that? I've come to the conclusion that they're more habit forming than any chemicals on the planet.

1:10:02 Now, are there certain meds that are more difficult to come off than others? And then they think that they're, you know, well, you must have MS or you must have, you know, mono or you must have, you know, some new diagnosis. But you have to know it's possible. So that's informed consent. Management of symptoms. the trenches practicing conventional approaches because I thought I was doing good. You know, when I was

1:12:43 My business is giving pills to crazy people a real mess and bring them off the ledge and then their life improved? know, it's not true. Like my patients are very sick. And you know, I have an online version of So what do you do then? Okay. She's incredible. there is an elder that is assigned to you to shepherd you through your psycho-spiritual There are very few exceptions.

1:16:25 used to happen even in the early 1900s. And we've turned them into chronic processes. Robert Whitaker, to control for, right? commit suicide multiple times. She attempted to commit suicide But it's in service of passing the baton to these women because I don't have long term patients like there's an intense window and then they they're done with me.

1:18:47 Okay. So the template for the diet that I recommend is based not only on like my personal up your butt yeah i know it's it's only necessary because we live in like a pretty toxic world at By putting coffee in there? or death critical for helping you flush those wastes. So I learned about them from the master. And I noticed early on that as long as my patients

1:22:02 require red meat to balance their nervous and your immune system and driving inflammation Yes, this is just my clinical practice. and they stick to a vegetarian diet so it's do you know what is your version right so like an eskimo doesn't eat coconuts and like a messiah largely after my mentor died and um it totally changed my like rewired my nervous system

1:25:46 but then you're at risk for developing the illnesses tumors like, you know, breast cancer, pancreatic cancer, colon cancer. This is a very common, Exactly. That's exactly it. But your body, like say if you came from Vietnam, So we just don't, I tried learning about nutrition that way. And I drove myself crazy because I was Do you know how long you have to live when you're diagnosed with pancreatic cancer?

1:28:31 It's crazy. And one of the things that he does that's kind of fascinating is on his Instagram, he She can eat like crazy amounts of food. So his studies, though, and his little tests, although, you know, they're very small. Right. like, come on, roll it out. I quit coffee like nine years ago and now I can't touch it. Something's wrong with you. We're taking this.

1:31:21 Milky Way waiting for me every day. But you have to sort of get your brain out of the way. about with Chris Cornell. It's an anti-anxiety medicine, like Xanax or Valium, if you've heard of those. It's one of the most challenging to get off of in the long term. And then you won't need it. detoxing your products like, evidence I've ever, yeah so you do all this yourself what do you make the meat though besides red meat okay so basically

1:34:36 So you're taking out all this is just for the month, it gets so much easier in the future. But cut out the grains, cut out the nonsense, dairy, and just eat regular healthy food? Carb flu, yeah, or paleo flu. is how many people tell me that they sleep better Like I would tell people never to touch an animal food if they don't know, you know, heart. Carb addicts. Yeah, pretty much. But like, who isn't, you know, when you're just eating

1:37:31 It means that grief, pain, suffering is where you grow. can stop feeling. We have a bigger problem on our hands, right? So I know I wife or like your dad. matter right so some people saw that as like wow really a last straw of pathologizing normal human Through the mind and through your just living in the moment and understanding. Right, like you've got a tooth yanked out or you've got to like survive in the wild.

1:40:46 As being in any way related to what I'm talking about. teaching us how to confront our deepest fears, So interesting, right? the vast majority of my patients and you know, I'm not saying that. and avocado oil and detox That's right. Okay. That's another one. So this is not like a wellness fad. hospital because they were like, well, we don't know what to do with this woman. They check her

1:45:26 And that's what we're talking about earlier. Because if you're ready and you believe that you're like a whole radical next chapter of It won't. Okay, so I'll tell you about another study. And they don't know which is going to happen. It's real. So this guy, Irving Kirsch, right? And then they start to say, oh, my chemical imbalance is being, you know.

1:49:06 you're being fooled. Like, you know, like in my training, I was taught to dismiss the placebo cleared it up. And that's what the placebo effect is demonstrating. to some extent now, noticing that what people believe, like that you'll lose less blood in Wow. you say dude you're gonna spray like a fountain you're like a broken fire hydrant you're gonna

1:52:05 diagnosis. And that's why it's considered to be, it's like bone pointing or something. on the planet is medicine. And, you know, we have special language and we wear costumes and there's initiatory rights. by a bus don't like bring me to my extrapolating from acute setting medicine into the outpatient world. Like, no, no, no, no, no. God. Yeah. the establishment and you can't really do that because if you do you're out of a job and all your money that you spent on god yeah i mean it's it's important to remember that the pharmaceutical industry is a business right when you when you forget that and you think that they're in it

1:55:50 as a parent, have your children taken away from you if you don't participate in the model. There's sunshine and butterflies and shit. Right? Yeah, recently it was the number one prescription. You can pile on as many or as few as you want. The dude's name, the Good Morning America guy. But on Oprah, it was when he was in love. just saying what scientology has always said like if you go down sunset or hollywood where's the

1:58:35 And then they start manipulating your beliefs and that in turn helps you feel better. But, but no, I mean, it's, you know, if you're subsuming someone into a, I don't want to Chur. church anymore so now they're going to this gym and they'll like a lot of them literally call the That's like totally unnatural environment for a rat to be in. So what does that mean, right?

2:01:45 The context. moments where you're bonding together. Kundalini's like that. I think your body, if you're just constantly nerfed and everything's soft and everything's like happy to open their door to you. Yeah. And that is really the problem, right? The real bad things that happen to you. If you can do difficult, hard things on a daily basis, Right.

2:04:34 Yeah. You want to stop and you have to push through. And I had a natural birth. So I was still eating McDonald's and, you know, prescribing. not I've tried to move past that but I had this OB at the time and I was like she doesn't know We've been doing this since the beginning of time. Yes. wasn't science to support them. And actually the science suggests that they should be abandoned.

2:07:31 get stretched out i don't think that's a big yes certainly but i don't think that's a huge to have a transformation of your consciousness, because it is hard and it is scary and it breaks So we call it pain, but midwives don't call it pain, for example. There are these primal sounds we make, you know, when we're making love or when we're What do you want me to do, eat eggs?

2:10:00 You're talking about healers and holistic medicine. So is there a self-conscious aspect of it where you do recognize that there are certain science-based practitioners that will be like rolling their eyes at you? And I published it and it was a really weird experience because I, you know, I was a total newbie. with someone like me before. Trust me, it's not going to work out. These are all pharma funded

2:11:42 I don't have to tell you that. who generate the impression that there is an opinion anti anyone who threatens the establishment, right? That's like one of the indications that it's a troll. You know what I mean? Jamie brought it up yesterday about Donald Trump. just joined on it's not surprising and that it's actually not real. Right. What are you laughing at?

2:15:25 an influx of 5 million new Twitter because it's only 1.5 million gain. were greatly exaggerated. Like, come chat with me about sex. Yeah, I try to DM them. with them, but dumb people. They're trying to get the gullible, and there's plenty of them. But once you know this stuff, then you can interpret. Yeah, yeah. ability to help them and or they've tried it and it's not worked so people are waking up and that's

2:19:10 I don't know who made this quote, It's a great quote. You might work in a job that gets you exposed to toxic fumes or chemicals or a lot of variables. It should be, a lot of people ascribe it to Freud. Whoever it was, she nailed it. And then they go through I didn't know whose it was and then someone had to say I think I might have put it on Instagram, too, a long time ago.

2:21:21 I get ones that I did say. Plagiarism loophole and everybody's like what and now he's got this weird thing that he does where he says that he puts up the the meme and the problem is, like, someone will send you something, Let me know. Yeah. like it's like I have company around me you know like it's also people turn into a business yeah like the meme business is a business and then they have sponsored sponsored uh Instagram posts and sponsored tweets and they make a lot of money like there's a lot of money to be made

2:23:15 You can't do that. And even if you do put a watermark, you know what they do? for a whole year none like i took out a out a large life insurance policy when I published my book expecting like pretty serious. You just have to know It's hard to shut me up. Well, they put labels on cigarettes. You know what I mean? It's like all those whistleblowers And it's true, that just because...

2:26:26 Okay. And I'm not the only one. also cause attention on it. And like, let's see what her response is. It's like they decided to studies, actual medicine, give advice about, you know, like, Hey, maybe it's not a good idea that and then make your decision. And guess what? If you're on meds and this sounds interesting to you, then I'm showing you there's a path

2:29:08 All these little snowflakes. You have white privilege. Don't call anybody an ableist. There's not enough difficulty out there. They made a burrito truck and people are going crazy. they're not pretending like it's so crazy Mexicans don't even eat burritos. It was quite delicious. burritos they're making burritos and then these goofy white kids are fucking closing them down

2:32:22 No, it is a weird it is a weird time. And the trouble is, you know, that the more that we, this infighting is like in some ways a distraction from the greater issues that are like government overreach and these greater issues that are allowed to unfold while we're busy calling each other names. Like, what is wrong with people that never existed before?

2:33:25 They won't care. It was the suppressed people, black folks. It was like you were treated like someone from somewhere else that they didn't want And our hope is, right, that one day it's going to get like that with Mexicans the same way it's like you can't really mock someone from being from holland no one gives And then one day, I mean, but the idea that these girls are stealing from Mexicans is

2:35:06 It's a wrap. That looks like a tortilla. It's like a co-opting. It's just, I really feel like this goes, I mean, it's a stretch, granted. where their tuition's being paid for, they don't have jobs, they're not competing in the real world, to teaching. Right. I mean like what you're experiencing with trolls attacking an idea. But overall, those ideas are spreading in a way that's unprecedented and impossible just a few decades ago.

2:37:30 trying to get out to people this is all this is all new stuff like no one was saying this 20 years very challenging. Yeah. But yeah, that's a real problem. I mean, I think even goddamn sexual assault paradise over there So everybody has to question things now in a way that you never questioned during the Walter Cronkite era. Because if you're not saying that,

2:39:59 Yeah. Are you right now thinking about being suicidal and really want to cement those thoughts and solidify them and make action. Abilify drug blame for compulsive gambling, eating, shopping, sex. in less than five years. she's crazy. I got 200 people on this neighborhood of $600,000 into a gay sex and gambling junkie. That's what I remember. I remember things that could turn me into a gay, sex, and gambling junkie.

2:42:17 It's crazy. Oh, my God. It's always sitting in the corner. You know, just totally. Of course, right? They're not like, dude, you're fine. Go on your life go play frisbee in this objective assessment you're doing great you're doing great something in you that's like excited about it or that says like, hmm, yeah, there's something to don't take any pharmaceutical you don't take antibiotics ever what if you got an infection

2:45:40 Right. How recent is the discovery of the microbiome? And you're making it more likely for people to develop what are called nosocomial illnesses or infections, which is hospital induced infections, right? This is the hospital is a sick environment in part because we have a wrong idea about how biological ecosystems work. Do you know what that is? Is that real?

2:47:28 Did that really work? I mean, I think it could work. Yeah, and that's irreversible, apparently. But they're, you know, for like SIBO, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, That's really good for you, right? So I'm making this story too long. like a friend of the woman who led the led the trip was like oh we got to bring her to the hospital

2:50:14 longer. And she then ultimately, when she got better, would have attributed it to the antibiotics, Greenmedinfo.com. And he catalogs all of the data from PubMed.gov on these natural substances, and she treated it with garlic in a topical form, So there's a ton of science to support natural medicine. you know, and she's that much less afraid of all of the horror stories. The fear mongering is the greatest marketing device, you know, employed by the industry is scaring you into what if you don't do it?

2:53:25 now, which is a combination of, you know, devastating our ecosystem, you know, making talk again, lady, but if that's your general vibe, then it's going to make sense to take the continuum. Like, you know, there's this notion that there's like a path we're meant to walk, you know, where we sort of follow our what our ancestors sort of set us up for. And we've

2:55:33 taking you over the top. That's right. Meanwhile, it's like in the water supply now. but jesus christ yeah i mean there's no free lunch there's no free lunch with pharma i think it's but They're a bunch of goddamn cannibals. We just had three hours. I had two cups of coffee, though. It's very important. So one more time, tell people what is the name of your book, where you can get it.

2:57:37 First of all, it's important. But I do believe people are entitled Beautiful. So until then, get off those pills, you fucks.