Joe Rogan Experience #978 — Judd Apatow Transcript

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0:00 so i might plug some dates early do it do it It was crazy. he's rich now. He's been my manager since I was an open mic-er. Yeah. He discovered me as an open Yeah, that guy was huge at one point in time and then i think he blew a fuse or something i think he's a very religious He built like a wall on the stage. but he would just change his body language

2:56 It was a genre. I mean, it's a ridiculous show. I mean, I'm always for the comedians who are funny, and you're like, oh, that's funny. and really fast pouring shots what if you have an alcoholic but they're just they're they're sober but you're like so influential but I appreciated it I know too many people There could be a whole system. Yeah. have to you have to fill that room like every night. Fill in rooms. Let me say, as someone who makes movies and is terrified that people will show up, fill in rooms scares me as well.

6:10 And then she quickly got sick and had to be put into a coma. And so like right now I'm terrified. And then you look at your numbers for months and no one bought tickets. think about and there's things to not think about like there's like the things that like why you're still good. But just let me help you out, dude. Yeah. They're probably in their car right now.

8:26 I've got nothing. My daughter yelled at me the other day. They don't care. I have a nine and a seven. They all gang up on me. If you stop and think about how you are when you're 11 and then how you are when you're 15, I have this book. handle problems well aren't i allowed to do that now and you're like no you're seven yeah uh yeah it's it's a really

11:21 At any age. That freaks me out. And that is one thing I noticed is that all the kids are, there seems to be a lot less drunk driving because they all just Uber. Yeah. Just have it be fun as much as possible. It's fine. Is your friend the dude Jeff, what the fuck? I was fucking crying laughing. Sam, We're at rough one to survive back then. Like the main things that mean the most to me in the world where my wife's like, I can't.

14:27 That is interesting. Yeah. And I was getting a lot of writing work. And I'm living with, you know, Sandler I'm funnier than this guy. tonight just to make you laugh just just so you could see what it was like when I did stand up And I thought, wait a second. and get like Shan Lane to come Well, you know the difference between someone who writes for television and movies and the difference between that and a lot of stand-ups is when you're making a living writing and producing and directing and doing all that, you're disciplined.

17:48 So many comics don't do that. drinking. It's one of the best stand-up bits of all time. And he had Right. I know nobody has notes. was oh the best and I'm doing a documentary about him now for HBO and so the most fun part about it is he always went to the comedy magic club and did It's a weird one. He didn't do them on talk shows. Perfect jokes. Yeah, but there's like the balance right? There's that there's crafting the perfect jokes And then there's just being able to be loose. Yeah and fun and hilarious

21:02 And then the people who made the movie Comedian about Seinfeld gave me all the dailies of a sequence that they only used 10 seconds of in the documentary, I forgot how he worded it. is just finding little magical moments people don't realize how good the larry sanders show was yeah like people forgot you know if you the talk shows he got offered to replace Letterman.

24:14 and he wanted to explore that Jay and I were talking about what it was like He doesn't have to have people on that He's not a massive movie fan. Did you see the Hicks bit that Hicks did about Jay interviewing Joey Lawrence and he blows his brains out and it forms the NBC peacock on the wall? And still, I saw him recently at the Improv. And, you know, Jay found the space

26:54 And in the Shanley documentary, fascinating describing his observations of Gary, his observations about talk shows. and a lot of language has opened up more. Colbert said that Donald Trump, the president, uses Putin, like Putin uses his mouth as a I have not seen it. that and so i think he's easily baited into any of those situations, which is I think a little is what scares people because you think if Colbert can bait him, what about other countries in very serious situations?

28:47 Is he allowed to block people? So there's people that are people. I love blocking people. If somebody says, that was pretty good, I'll block them. I don't even need you to call me a Jew. Yeah, it sounds sane and it always lands on jump in an oven. I mean, I don't think I'm saying anything that anyone else isn't saying because I have a simple theory about all this stuff, which is I don't think rich people want you to be rich.

31:08 And, you know, that's like saying Martin Luther King's a loser because he wasn't rich. He said it last night. Some people are happy to make a comfortable living and try to be giving to other people, Exactly, yes, and how he defines poor. I don't think he's saying that. That's his world. Because his world is the world of super rich people. And if you're not a super

33:56 Like when you talk about wealth redistribution, Less than 1%. Like people don't know, you know, deeply about the environment. Maybe it's perfect and we don't understand it. Yes. Everyone's turned on WikiLeaks. There's not a lot of thought put into this. And this guy is still out there trying to distribute information. If we had all the emails of the Republicans

37:25 it's so hard to figure out what happened here, they were conspiring to keep Bernie Sanders from winning the primary. or another involved, at least part of it had to do with this Seth Rich guy. He's the guy that was, he worked for the DNC and he was murdered outside of his apartment robbed of, his money, all that stuff was there. But it is a possibility that he was one of the people that was releasing information

40:13 or if he released, or if he was only one part of it, or Russia was a part of it as well, no matter who released it. Why should you be? It's hard to say whether it turned out to be true, but JFK is the biggest one. He was obviously involved in a lot of intelligence agency shenanigans. I mean, Kennedy was trying to pull us out of Vietnam, trying to get rid of the CIA.

42:52 what's so funny but it's also possible they told him listen just shoot him we'll get you off the Trump people. Well, we met with Peru eight times. We met with the English people. They're had all these texts but there's an entire world He murders journalists. he's this powerful superpower and it's better to be friends with him than it is to be enemies.

46:02 And he probably developed a point of view about how you deal with evil people. And that's why they do crazy stuff, because they just go, everyone else is naive. That's the justification. You create this power vacuum and the places are way more chaotic. can't force people to want a democracy also they're conditioned to being in a dictatorship It creates this power vacuum.

49:19 have this crazy situation with his two different sects of Islam are gonna kill And she laid that out. And every single thing that she said would happen where they would happen. And then he said, and this is what's going to happen. And he explained the wars that would happen, where they would happen. but I know Chomsky was saying that, is just that not function the way that it should. Because clearly you could have voter motor ID where

52:34 See, I like that the computer is searching as we speak. Oh, Requiem for the American Dream. and then we dug the wells and it was incredible for this community and then the neighboring And just generally with Trump, I don't think he's that smart. was a very articulate, really well-spoken, calm and measured guy. And I think that's very good for America,

55:02 what I find interesting is Obama was so moderate. Remember that? as a direct result of the industry that they were involved in and the businesses they were running, they still got bonuses. that super dangerous to have a right and a left i mean it's just because you always Because you always, you go for independent candidates a lot, right? You're looking for

57:04 Yes. It's just another version of that. You have to get 15%. are you a believer in that or or not i think that the most of the people that are on the left and groove like this is what we do fuck global warming it's not real you know won yeah i could see what was about to happen and everything i was like... So you were just super upset that Trump won?

1:00:11 So if you're a country in Africa and there's only one aid service that feeds starving people, but you also hand out a pamphlet on abortion, you don't get any of the money anymore. which on one level you go yeah you know people don't understand i'm gonna go do a a stand-up I line my pockets with that money, but I still have my own opinions. And the blind spot,

1:02:35 I always need a little bit more proof of that. Oh, I totally understand. And I think that there's a lot of politics that's really bad is let the smart, rich people get richer Instead of like talking about how weird, like, she's such a non-ideal candidate. And Obama took a while to make big moves on that. When he was doing all that build that wall shit and running, you know, the wall just got 10 feet higher. And NBC

1:05:32 I forgot her name, but it was very public. And he doesn't care at all because he doesn't trust anybody except like four people. He's going to fix government and the Middle East. it you know it's become so comical. there's always the concept absolute power corrupts absolutely. And knowing that you're His eyes are white. No one tells him. His face is orange. He's saying insane shit. He contradicts

1:09:23 The FBI, the president shouldn't just be able to fire the head of the FBI but let's assume it's just a shit storm, right? And in a year or two, whatever, millions of people are losing their health care. out of the epa which is what they've done the environmental protection agency is fucked now We need to drill. have diseases are really considering all this health care stuff I think it's one of those things that happens

1:11:59 through those bills and there was a lot of experimental medicine that potentially could save her. Well, don't you love the environment? And so. is there's an illogic to people's opinions. whether it's Flynn's ties to Russia or what Session knows and how many times did he speak to the Russians with the actual soldiers, and he's sitting there with his Ray-Bans on?

1:14:13 plug everybody It's incredible and it feels like you're in a club. Oh, that's an amazing place to do it. I like when I hear that. Oh, yeah. Ray Romano, the guy who got fired so you could and another guy took his spot just as a friend of Paul's I think Ray is one of the first people to tell you And so good in our movie, The Big Sick. That's what I called it.

1:17:13 And now you're back at it. Well, you know, everybody's so good. you and Maria Bamford and Louis CK and Hannibal and, and I have to be able to be proud of what Like the most, like what's the best way to do it? have to really, you really have to be on point. I'm like, how many new jokes can I do and suddenly everyone in town wants to run to that club again.

1:20:28 to chill and hang out. and then Diaz would come back They figured things out. Yeah. and you could do 30 tonight show things and then fill up arenas because of that but for most people Oh, look, Jim Jefferies has a new Netflix special. George Carlin every couple of years. Yeah. Yeah. He was so strong. if there's so many people, why do it? that my stand-up career

1:23:22 to pay the rent, And it happens unconsciously. And I think, Like, how do they know what they're guessing? And it's verbatim you can't change a comma when they shoot it is that what it is with them I mean, Noah Baumbach does that. Half the time. And if something good came up, I would go to tapings of that show he would put them all in a binder he would take the script immediately he put three punch put it

1:27:36 Very unique. And he was so ready to be done that he had an amazing audition because he assumed he wouldn't get it. You had to carry it. It was scary shit. Call me at this number. And the guy's like, look, I'm willing to work with you. And the guy disappeared. That's exactly what we're talking about. little bit of a loan and okay so ph Phil gives him like $25,000.

1:31:20 You solved all my problems. My friend Dave Rath, who manages Pete Holmes, at some point was like transitioning and starting his own management company and asked me for some money. But I just need a little right now. You got to get your way through that way. interviewing comedians for my high school radio station at some point i got jamie masada Sammy Shore started the comedy store.

1:33:47 And maybe I got 40 bucks a week. It's just because you're willing to put in all the work somehow. What year was that? that's the funny thing about a career. It's two or three people who, who change everything for you. like page 90 to 108, And it's all based on science. in the morning. So I avoid it. What's the main tenets of your day? So those that that's the the schedule and then on top of that

1:38:20 I'm changing my spark plugs. there's a new study on cryotherapy or saunas. Like, uh, the saunas are incredibly effective. The raising of the body temperature like that Having that massive exposure to heat and your body producing these heat shock proteins, it reduces inflammation. the judd does joe's programs you have to build up oh yeah you have to i gotta bulk up i got well i

1:40:35 I'm not running a fucking ultra marathon. You got to have time, too. That's one thing. I'm exhausted. But I just think being active and doing something on a daily basis, forcing your body to get used to the fact that it's going to constantly be working, constantly being under stress. That's got to come back at him at some point. I've drained all the bullshit out of my body.

1:42:42 Where I climb in. i'm trying to figure out how to structure it. I think that's a good idea. I need a hill to run on. You have to lift weights. That's how I've been protecting my body. You don't have to do shit. I've been playing a lot of tennis lately as a way to wake up. or at least not only one muscle. They say when you write, one of the things you should do is go over what you wrote by going on a walk.

1:46:19 Almost at the top. Yeah, and that's like a walking meditation. Joe Dispenza? so it doesn't want to keep you in the same mental state you're used to being in does that make any Is the brain very similar? Yeah. and an anxiety You know, I just went in my room Yeah. then like Cosby and I always, I liked that there was like George Carlin was like, no, this makes no fucking sense.

1:50:30 and underappreciated to this day. And something drew me to those people. But back then, no one was watching Merv Griffin but me. Yeah, I became a fan of stand-up, watching stand-up on TV, like watching like The Tonight Show and Evening at the Improv and stuff like that. I looked around. I'd only seen like, you know, And that planted, didn't plant a seed like I can do it, but it did plant a seed like, holy shit, this is possible.

1:53:07 Like Lenny Bruce's insight changed the way a lot of people thought and discussed a lot of like really important issues at that time. Like what he's mad about. There's a lot of comedians who talk about their lives, but he's really, he's ripping open the veins much deeper than anybody even now. It was like wow Every night. He was old and he was sick and he was drunk and was on pills, and he probably shouldn't have been there.

1:55:46 There was nothing there. And all the time the people would be clapping They were there to see the great one. I never saw him kill. And then you would come out i would eat dick just go up there and just eat plates of shit And then get onto the stage, and then you'd have to say, Richard Pryor, ladies and gentlemen. They're like, fuck you. And then especially when you think of just the power of the guy.

1:58:33 And there's not that many people who can do that now. Or maybe the audience understands in a different way, and they can transition. you'd come on Yeah. And it's worth it. and the main room. Rock just left. Do you know who I had the worst or, you know, where he couldn't follow him Too many shows in front of white crowds. People forgot about him. It wasn't very good.

2:02:09 And it was the biggest laugh I've ever heard. and had to slow it down or he was going to kill these people. crush. And then I played Carnegie Hall and a half. Like it was a different hard to do, to get that momentum talking fast like how do you find an original way to create that energy in a room i think the You can make your own website. Okay, I'm at the Wilbur on the

2:05:03 I'm not kidding. But as of now- We're going to talk later. John Apatow, ladies and gentlemen.