Joe Rogan Experience #993 — Ben Shapiro Transcript

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0:00 Do we have enough left for tomorrow? The CNN asshole. I say, how dare you? He kind of growled at me. They hacked into people who were dead. Yes. I can't tell the difference too much except when I'm watching My Fair Lady or something. Yeah. Jones part two and it was going to be Piers, you know, succeeds again. And Alex and I could not be or at least doesn't have any representation.

3:44 I spoke at UC Berkeley in like April 2016. We can't figure out how to do the event. So we made that public. Yeah, just yesterday, Jordan Peterson was banned from YouTube. It also won't be in the videos of interest. Well, the problem is they're not blocking things it makes them look really petty and really weird and really resistant and hesitant to actually have

6:30 And this is what I experience sometimes on campuses, you know, Cal State LA, where there's a near riot when I speak, And when you oppose these people, when you have these debates with these people, who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Well, February of 2016 is when I started traveling with security. And I was like, what do I need security for?

8:29 There were 300 students who had blocked all of the entrances, So after that, it was like, OK, well, I guess the security is necessary. among these victim groups. And if you are a straight your viewpoint is an attack on her identity, because normally in regular life, I think that's it's been growing in our politics. weinstein where literally the left is eating itself.

11:17 of ridiculous thinking and behavior has blossomed and it's in bloom everywhere. And when people when you see her on video saying, It's weird. wrong? Are you attributing to somebody a motive they don't have? Is your wife really being nasty, the more we can show that you are woke finally have the person who we could Yoda's a dude, right? It's gotta be a guy

14:01 in Missouri, you had all these black students protesting. Wow. black people don't have enough power. First of all, the idea that black people have no power Okay, the chief of police was black. At some point, you're going to have to make your ideas actually work in concert with reality. hashtag resistance, hashtag resist. You're standing on the graves of the kids of Sandy Hook in order to promote your political agenda,

17:04 there's an attempt to cast all of his voters as people who love all of the things you have different goals, is because you're a bad person. And I think that what you're seeing is with Trump, The implication was, okay, everybody who voted for Trump is a bad human being. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. number. Right, exactly. Yeah, Mitt Romney? Like, really? Yeah, it's just, well, I was walking down New York City, down the street, right after

19:33 Yeah, exactly. as American politics in 2017, that's too hard. I mean, you live in Hollywood. That's pretty rare. Like, if you have a problem with Trump, it seems to— But now the presidency has this outsized impact. But how would you go about doing that? commerce. But the idea that they could regulate, you know, your toilet flushing is just that's elected these people. They put together all the regulations. And then those are the ones that

23:32 Yeah, that seems almost impossible. It seems like no one who's worked so hard to get to the top of Weren't they, for the longest time? They were not really a state, right? There's a lot of state pride. Maybe more than any place else I've ever been. Yeah, well state like a lot of state pride in Texas There's a lot of state pride maybe more than any place else. I've ever been yeah

24:49 I mean, the people who run the state are idiots. because they'd fucking dry up. Like, that's not a river. I've lived here my entire life. I'm not going back because I would get I find Mexican people to be some of the nicest people and real friendly and easy to get along with, And then you got like 20 cars and it's just gridlock everywhere. I'm American.

27:12 true as far as traffic lights. It's true as far as financial dealings with one another. And when California has the highest taxes in the country by far. goes into the Conejo Valley, and it's just Oh, yeah. And like, there's only 100,000 people. other counties around it. Yeah, I'm in Oklahoma, and I'm walking down the street, and the first thing that, and some lady and I catch eyes.

29:46 jackass. Hate that guy. Because he's when they stack rats I was there last week, and I like the sky, That's why, honestly, I think it's one of the reasons why Trump won, is because he's basically just a guy from New York, I'm sure that's a bestseller. That's why, honestly, I think it's one of the reasons why Trump won is because he's basically just a guy from New York.

31:08 That's actually going to happen. And so the entire media went, how dare he? He's talking about how cops should rough people up. side. He brands himself. He puts his name on the side of buildings. They pay him not to be involved But he fucking blocks people. about what this person is doing or not doing. He's the most powerful man on the planet, and he's busy blocking people on Twitter at

33:22 Exactly. You know, you say that the level of hatred directed toward Trump is warping Trump. They'd miss it. He keeps saying things just to piss us off. And second of all, this is But there are people on the right who are like, fine, it's funny. pissing off the left may be part of it, but that's not how you win. You win by saying things that are And you see Trump in the audience boiling with his big frog double chin, just sitting

36:17 to be president. And the mooch is it. i mean it's got he must be emboldened by the fact that trump has said so many outrageous things well He was out there like saying that Reince Priebus was leaking on Yeah. And like everyone he fires has to be fired in the most roundabout. You're fired, Jetson. You're fired. Here's my new cabinet. You know, Comey's, what is he, 6'8"?

39:42 Now, what did you think? Like, that seems crazy. They refer the information to the DOJ and then the DOJ decides whether to prosecute people. There's no element under HIPAA that says that if she reveals somebody's, So Comey read the element of intent into the crime to get Hillary off, he's afraid that if he doesn't reveal that information, Hillary goes on to win and then

42:25 what will uphold the integrity of the FBI and the integrity of the investigations and the integrity mean So obstruction, looking at the statutes, obstruction is a little bit more than that. So you have to actually obstruct an ongoing investigation into criminal activity. Well, most people don't even understand what impeach means. Like they could impeach anybody at any time. Clinton didn't even have to commit perjury. If they wanted to impeach him, they could.

44:39 And that's the most obvious way. are Attorney General Sessions, the Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, the former head of the FBI, James Comey, the acting head of the FBI, McCabe, to the Trump administration, which was then being weaponized for use in the campaign. I'm going to have to update Congress if you do fall under investigation. So there's two ways to read this.

46:45 First of all, it is imperative to note, eight minutes later, the New York Times released basically the email chain. is to be the first person out the gate with it, and you put a spin on it. So what Obama did is he wrote an entire memoir and he just kind of dismissed it right in the middle of the memoir. Right. And so that does not look good. Are they lying because they just think they can get away with it and they're stupid?

48:45 So is that a calculated lie to hide something? Or is it just that Trump lies by nature and so he does it a lot? And this is something that, again, I think that we're shaped by Hollywood a little bit. And when I go home at night, the last thing I want to do is watch entertainment about I don't want to be that tinfoil hat guy, but how many people are gonna suicide themselves? I mean for sure

50:16 thinks that the outer limit of politics I'm open to, I mean, if someone shows me evidence- If I had my last thousand bucks, I'd be super tempted to bet head twice. There's a few. I mean, that'd be really irregular. Well, Putin is obviously the extreme example, right? Well, obviously the extreme example is North Korea. Assad. I'm open to the possibility, but I'd have to see the evidence, the lawyer in me.

52:45 statement about a stupid email exchange and then fibbing about it publicly. Like that's really So people kind of forgot about it a terrible one. So right. Drunk driving. Right. That was the thing with him. I would imagine. I can't rule that one out. It turns out when you leave somebody underwater for 12 hours, they tend to do that. I've never had it happen. what I would call slideshow nights, you know, where I get hammered and then like I wake up in the morning with a pounding headache.

55:20 So it's not necessarily blackout. He doesn't know a thing about what happened, and it's really bizarre. It's a legitimate blackout. happened and it's really bizarre it's a legit terrible things to him while he's not we're nice Yeah. So Teddy Kennedy, who knows? I mean, he was obviously a raging alcoholic. And that That he might have flown into some blackout rage

57:08 It's actually a serious legal question, you know? He doesn't remember. Yeah, right. I mean, they've had cases where people are like sleepwalking and they think that and they're dreaming at the same time. completely unpredictable and then you add in this impulsive nature of their Obviously, this is way off track. There was 111 players and's they did the CTE study there was a hundred and eleven players and

59:16 By the time your voice, obviously I'm not a neurologist, but by the time as it's been I think they are. signing up for when they do it. They know the consequences of it. And it's worth the glory not watching NFL games last year, country. Basically, white people hated it, and black I think that ESPN's been losing ratings. Like, I used to watch ESPN religiously. And now all I want is to just

1:01:24 That makes sense. They sold the two of them together as a package deal No. This isn't just like, hey, you know, we met with Caitlin at home. And then she starts talking, like, Well, this is the case about gender, right? Sorry to break this to some, all the people who listen to your show, Caitlyn Jenner's, to healthy baby boy and so i tweeted woman gives birth to boy right because it's a woman i mean

1:03:56 why that's any better than I as a religious person saying every time you say something, Yes, that's a good way of saying it. Caitlyn Jenner because it's a curiosity and because it's weird and entertaining. We're doing Yeah. No. Whether or not they transition, yeah. I'm more than willing to call her a she. You're determined by your chromosomes. you wake up, and not decide, but you feel

1:06:57 I had a grandfather. I get so much shit for this. but to suggest that it is a condition that doesn't require treatment, Well, it's also one of the rare times where you're allowed to celebrate classic definitions of female beauty when a man embraces him when he becomes a woman. If he got a short haircut and dressed like Billie Jean King. Oh. the United States who are suggesting that they want the next civil rights fight always the next

1:09:17 Nobody's owning transgenders. a full beard. Like, I don't see why I as a business owner, I'm expected to eat the cost of that. And if you ever watch the fights, she wasn't winning. Of course. Well, that's something that has been repeated a mountain. Yeah. Fierce. It's because of that. My daughter was a little worried about her. be whatever she's in but she was really into like batman for a while yeah my daughter is in a batman

1:12:36 She said, right, but it's insulting. We're talking about, like, we're talking about the accountant from down the block. said was, no, this proves my point And he's like, because she's a woman. She actually did this. middling player at best that was the most bizarre thing you've only been a woman are distinct from men, and he should have just declared himself a woman. And then he, too, could have run as the first female president.

1:15:15 were calling me a bigot because of this Fallon Fox thing. So even then, she was a woman. We're talking about bone structure. And here's the crazy thing. She's like, when you have gender reassignment surgery, you're taking estrogen, which actually preserves bone density. magically change a man into a woman. have been defined, once your chromosomes have been defined,

1:17:35 year old doesn't know. That was the thing about that Ruby Rose as children grow out of it. First of all, if anyone tried to do that with my kid, I would meet them at the door with But how did we get so far down this rabbit hole of insanity? what's happening hormonally, what's happening psychologically, OK, I don't you know, I don't know that this isn't a girl? Okay.

1:20:08 actual biological things. But if you're by humoring what is obviously a mental condition. and now at eight we're going to transition you into this and your suicide rate is exactly the same This is a weird one, though. This is a weird one because it's it's become some sort of a fad and any criticism of it whatsoever, even discussion of it. just chop off their arm now let's prevent them their arm from developing like this is not

1:22:25 you are trying to translate those feelings into the objective standard we almost told by, now true self, then it would be just like everybody else. I'd have to look up the anorexic suicide rate. Oh, it's, it's, an entire society But I'm not going to see I'm not going to change what reality is in order to humor you like if you call yourself Napoleon

1:24:23 If you knew somebody was, was manic depressive, which is super common, and you have somebody Probably not. Like, is that something that is that what you're going to go for? Yeah, yeah. like, it creates a bunch of questions, You have a group of men, and now you have a man who's technically a man, but do you treat him as a woman? correct in terms of what the military is there doing, what it's not there to do.

1:26:52 you're out because that's the way it is without any sort of supporting argumentation and he didn't So there was a story at BuzzFeed that was kind of funny. I think it's an example of even if I think the policy is good, good policy done the wrong way is actually counterproductive for the policies that I want to see done. Well, it also seems that this issue

1:28:24 and this is the way it is. Ghostbusters. And so they turned him into a six-year-old girl. I mean, come on. the parameters of the argument has become about freedom the freedom to be your authentic self Like, I think there are a lot of people who do stupid crap their entire lives. And then it become like the number one topic. Oh, yeah. You know, science says no.

1:31:42 And the next day they're a man. That is sexist. Also, this raises a bunch of other weird questions. But if you were to have sex with a biological woman who says she's a man, you're gay. in the wrong place it ain't gonna reproduce like that's just sorry i mean like i don't know i don't It's such a strange subject that's been brought to the forefront.

1:33:48 It is the how dare you. This is why I say I think that it's I think that a lot of people who are virtue signaling are still treating it as an Do I look like I know that much about bodybuilding? have to have some sort Yeah, I've seen that. I mean, listen, you see it in everything, including fashion. Yeah. I mean, it was like TV. People are open to virtually any sort of suggestion.

1:36:15 Platforms? There's a study in Britain or a poll in Britain about sexual orientation. That means that people are open to suggestion about their sexual Culture has something. So that's... 42% bisexual in the UK? You know? We've gone around the bend a little bit. No. Is it any good? It was pretty spectacular. the speak of the day, versus that team. sexist, bigot, homophobes every time someone wanted to advance a policy on the left. And so

1:40:36 No, deception is not healthy across the board. Like, some people have boiled it down to, like, the purest form. He was a top-down government guy for sure, Once you say somebody's Hitler or the KKK, what are you going to do? variables or variants in their behavior. And listen, I like fiery political rhetoric. I find well, how could you have on somebody like Shapiro?

1:42:52 that's a silly conversation. I feel like you should talk to everybody. And if you disagree especially cable news, I would watch Fox News and then go to CNN and go back and forth, Like, I have a basic rule, which is that if you have a New York Times report It's just that it's biased. So that's. the MSNBC most people on the right will say CNN not MSNBC because MSNBC is

1:45:23 And I'm paying attention to the powers of persuasion. so measured and calm. And he had a podcast recently with Sam Harris where I think he was just like a little too and it's three steps down the road. We always need to think there's a plan. I mean, this is the untold story of the election. vote typically in Ohio, it's like 10% of the general vote. In 2012, it was like 13 to 15%

1:48:25 Now that I think the floodgates are open. Then he'd be Indie Rock, right? If the people really wanted it, he would do it. The Rock with Oprah. Okay. That's pretty wild. Like, did you look at Trump and you went, God, he's doing such a brilliant job. Let's put him through the ringer. So I'm not going to do that. It's why we have two separate houses of Congress.

1:51:14 I think we all should be happy with that because the only way things were supposed to get passed was with wide public support, right, which is probably a good thing. So this idea, we'll elect Trump, and Trump would say, it's all going to be so easy. have to teach your kid is maybe you're wrong to be angry sometimes. Okay, well, I'm angry too about things, but are they angry about the right things?

1:53:07 Well, is that true or are you just pandering to the voter? Because it's hard to tell people hard truths like you're not right to be angry, get off your ass and do something with your life. We want people to be mommy. And that's a tempting proposition for politicians. But the reality is there's a tremendous amount of psychological factors that go into why someone does or does not succeed and to placate them or to, you know,

1:54:42 It's people saying that it's not your fault because you're being screwed by some foreign country. Or did you lose your job because you're in an industry You can expect that in the next 10 years you'll probably work for jobs There's a lot of stuff that people... Because there's a tremendous amount of people that that's what they do for a living. That's crazy.

1:57:00 It's just not how economics works. When a car is on that automated thing, if you just swerve at it, they slam on the brakes and back up on you. So I think that universal basic income is for when the technology gets so good that there legitimately are no jobs. People are going to still have to work on these trucks and deal with technology. We're going to have to train people in a different way.

1:59:55 And also, I'm not sure that you've solved a lot of people's problems. What are you, like, 32? oh, I'm going to retire and I'm going to golf and I'm going to paint. I'm going to create. Ha I don't know man. I'd find shit to do, but I see but I I mean apparently anyone can and this is what I'm finding out sure so um, but you're a reasonable guy want to jump into politics.

2:02:43 Like you go to the LA County Museum of Art Kind of standing there and stroking his chin It's just, it's crazy. And then when things go to shit, they're like nowhere to be found. And this is, I mean, Caracas is the most violent city in the Western Hemisphere now. And they're all just praising Chavez. they'd just gone further, it would have been better. It's like, well, the Soviet Union didn't

2:05:26 Why not? This is like the Bernie Sanders, this is democratic socialism. all this oh democratic socialist countries they're working great first of all a car in denmark has a They want those higher. by paying for this is, there's nothing on Singapore, right? but it is difficult if you think that life is unfair, right? And in industries that are not doing as well, if the jobs disappear, that's just the wages

2:08:31 and I want cheap products on the shelves at the store, so I don't have to pay a bajillion We want to put sanctions on China to try and pressure them into ending North Korea. It's the exact same thing as minimum wage. Right. some of the funding for things like satellites I'm very much in favor of fracking. But what do you think about when you hear So if that changes, then I'm happy to regulate.

2:11:20 We all drink water bottles. I mean, the greenhouse gas effect is a thing. And now, not really even through regulation, but just through market competition, you've I see Bill Nye on TV Isn't he kind of a comedian? And he does, Show me. And all he me, okay, what do we have to do in order, in your opinion, in order to stop the climate Yeah. Right. So I think that if you're going to worry about the emissions problem, worry about the sea absorption of emissions, right?

2:14:51 I mean, Venice, it's true with global warming, It's easier to move than ever before. Of course. So you're talking about human beings Like, that's not going to happen. Because I felt like he's so lazy with this conversation because so many people just appease him and agree with it. And he's made, like, some insane amount of money off of it. You can't discuss them.

2:17:52 Yeah. I just want you to tell me. But Bill Nye shouldn't be selling himself. You're going to be on for seven minutes. So everybody in the media is It won't be that bad if I'm on for ten minutes. Yeah, everyone in my family talks this way. We see some people that are just really good at, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. But he's just so used to like force feeding you facts and opinions.

2:20:00 Yeah. by a commercial. Honestly, it's hard for me to watch cable television because Cool. And they're interrupting each other Yes. people that have debated you that are real, they're really fucking lazy. Like, like they have a book. our water system in our air and there's a lot of issues with the ocean. There's a giant issue with pollutants in our water system, in our

2:23:00 nuclear power. Right. Which, unfortunately, a lot of people have banned because of unbased fears, is devastating. Yeah, I don't know enough about nuclear containment to take off on that one. So Fukushima is really the only major disaster and he was explaining to me the half-life of whatever was released in the atmosphere. Yeah. See if you can find that.

2:25:31 that, then presumably the cancer rates would be going down a lot. They haven't really in most And every time you fly into the brown gunk soup that is the valley atmosphere, you think that's not great. Wasn't it emission standards he changed? fallen, you see people change their buying habits, right? In the 90s, everybody bought an SUV, A lot of that is technological change.

2:27:30 in developing countries? And so I think a little caution is warranted. I think that's a very reasonable point of view. And that's one of the things that I really like about your commentary. I know you're September 14th is the date it's supposed to happen. Yours is a little and they're screaming Exactly. Like, when I spoke there, there were actually a couple professors

2:29:21 So David Duke accused me of being a far leftist. trophy in my house. It's the most hated Jew in America. Blowout. What did that feel like? And that's died off? Well, what started it off? I supported him in his positions. He was the closest to me politically. So, you know, elected, then it was like, okay, if he does good stuff, I'll praise He bruised her.

2:32:12 move like she was being injured. You know, when people get knocked out, like, that wasn't much of a punch. Yeah. It was much more about as a journalistic entity, do you stand by your reporters or do you stand by the candidate who you support? Oh, yeah. First of all, I think it's important to mention a lot of people who say they're alt-right aren't and you're going to be toast.

2:35:01 I think that we're moving in that direction. About Magic Johnson. of people and other people. If this now becomes and no one was recording him because she's a Nobel Prize His interview with Anderson Cooper was one of the classic interviews of all time. Yeah. He's stumbling over his ottoman. I go, in my world, that's pretty reasonable. so we could show everybody how outraged we were.

2:37:28 and said, look, this is obviously he told us she can go fuck black guys. number of people who watch the NBA are black, and they spend they had to make that decision that way. I think Didn't he sue anyway? That's it, dude. we finally got together. See you guys.