Joe Rogan Experience #10079 — Vinny Shoreman & Liam Harrison Transcript

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0:00 Here we go. Birthday boy over here as well. I feel it. those are sad times. I ever got was in the shower. Knocked over Roy McDonald while I felt it, and your trainer was like, I've got a little black eye from it and stuff. We've had seminars and stuff going on. I wake up as if I've been fucking beat up. What's that? I get it. The craziest Fucking record ever

2:11 Like that In the pros 390 times making a way and so that takes it. Oh, yeah. Yeah fighting to be fair the second time he went down as well he didn't have to get back up because he'd And then Lomachenko turned Well you know what I'm like Does it help you at all Accident and emergency. Doing some weights shit and pulled my groin here. That's it? That fight was like two weeks ago.

4:42 Yeah. melted into the bed i couldn't do that and then go do that. No way. Yeah, you could once you get in there. the beginners all go at the back, not stopping until he stops mate it took about 45 minutes in and i was just like checking all over flask i bring a big one and i just fill it it just really reduces inflammation across your whole body. They think that that's going on when you're doing yoga

7:20 my friend came with me as well, and he's a big guy. You don't realize And a big meatball body and skinny back tires. and he was saying, it's also for for kickboxer like your coordination and your ability you know I'm more of a leg kick I know you had And I had a fight. and my leg started locking Did the fight, and then my meniscus tore. It was honestly

9:38 Because it was so bad We'll ring you with an appointment. and had the surgery, That's the downside of socialized medicine, right? That's the thing that just left me in the lap. And then you were hanging off You'll be back to full strength I had that exact same injury. It's called a bucket handle tear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. had to do anything rigorous, it would start swelling.

11:34 Is it BPC 157 as well? on bpc 157 there you go straight into groin yeah it's a peptide shoot it into the old groin area I caught but this was like so this one's 100 you these questions? So how is fighting didn't come around earlier Mate, seriously, I've fought all over the world and stuff, I'm not too sure will you fight no, no, before I retire. I said, I'm old as shit anyway now for fight wise. And I'm like, nah, fuck that, I want to do it before I retire.

14:30 the first round, that wasn't a glove. so that like, it wobbles your head a little bit. because it's such a big surface area to hit. So I can protect myself. and it is like Botter to do it to no put your hands flat and more red movement and stuff like that i did that absolutely i really Artem Lobov who's a legitimate but then you see fighting bare knuckle

17:07 you would imagine I wonder how he in second round as well I think he had a bad right hand. like the BKB thing. They like it. David Ledoux? bit of a war and i just started swinging all over the place in round three, trying to KO him. I couldn't squeeze a fist properly. and trying to KO him. it's going to change the fight, Like I said, I did long guard like that, which was stupid.

20:06 style and you try to make adjustments during the fight but as soon as things get crazy you go back That five years of some bullshit and then you try and teach them to get them out of that old habit. Cro Cop was a great example. Oh, my God. To this day. left hand corner that's it that's Oh, that's full of shit. And that's all liver. But that one right there,

22:39 Initially. When you've got it down to an I know he had a traditional martial arts background when he got into kickboxing. Like remember when Ernesto fought Bob Sapp? If he were going to do that in MMA, No gloves versus gloves changes what a fight is, and trying to escape from the clinch is an art in itself. all together they can knee it's like the attack

24:50 Ilyas Belaid, Melvin looked good Melvin was done. but it's these kids coming through you like him you know he's fighting Rico How long has he been out When Rico was on the podcast He was getting fucked up But, yeah, it's like, I would have loved to see Botter have a few fights and get real sharp. thinking for long to me favorite pull up butter heart he fought long as well he

26:57 Go pull up his Wikipedia record. okay what does he got okay so you did fight yeah that's that he is ishmael lont yeah positive? but it says result should just give him a suspension based on his instagram like listen bro he's jacked He's on all the Mexican supplements. I think it's December 12th. Osama El Ghaoui. Yeah, they're amazing with their hands.

29:33 I think it's because a lot of the time, when they have a class, like they're so good at breaking your rhythm and timing little off balancing stuff it keeps putting front of each other. breaking their rhythm You can't do that And the sparring is just fucking ridiculous. Not really. bad company we don't do that well i don't myself maybe once a week head guards on just hard boxing

31:50 the order I've got is I had to check off. I know I'm ready to fight when you start going hard start going hard you've hurt your foot but the older I've got I've worked out yeah when he's sparring ring the Cubans when they box he would tell people in the neck you don't get to your knees and start crying but if you get caught in an armbar it's either you're Hicks and Gracie

34:00 like what happens is like So that's why I took myself out of that and don't really do it anymore. i'm boring and i'm always watching fights even if it's in you know russian and you know reading they're all like because if you look you put up a great actually done he couldn't get out that would have been right up on you he was talking really Especially with them right hands

36:20 I remember watching that, decisions by playing it safe Shut him down. Yeah. You know what? He's rubbish. No one knows what the fuck that is. He's just a king To be fair he might have gone because he beat Alvarez canelo but he still stopped didn't have enough experience yeah that's really what it is 18 fights maybe he needs to even Crusher you know And Ward was like, there's a bit of back and two between them.

39:47 And then Jusek is going up to... That's a big step up for Spong. because he said i think it was based on, Yeah. once a year and the boxers who have been It still gives me nightmares. Because then you're always going to be thinking about that It's like she's had like With your forearm instead of your fist he's a massive star he'd smashed when you're going

43:03 I'm not sure in her fucking elbow oh it was like it was like the bone went like this and the elbow went like I'm going to help you up. And then the lucky thing for her the cops were there it makes you realize where you just do fragile body like that fucking thing with merco and heath herring. Who would ever engage in an activity where that's possible?

45:00 Put it on that, rewind that, put it back. in some fights best fights with an elbow I'm going to have to take a knee here. Like looking at him and he was bleeding. You know, some people, they look for a way out and some people look for a way in. and try and point score Do you know what I mean? don't fight like that at the boxing club I've got him to slip

47:12 you're so used to competing it's like you get that more but then your body i feel gets compromised the bodies are just ruined yeah and none of them are when i lived there not no one did strength Yeah, Sanchai's 40 now, now 39, 40. I know he was like, but he's smiling like puts it on his Instagram page. I fight tonight like two time and Warren beat him

49:05 That doesn't mean you've got to take Mate, I think we ran out. I mean, you know, obviously, Yeah, we're in the 170-kilo tournament. where you're not allowed to clinch that long. that's open to conjecture but I What do you think was the adjustment? it was interesting the second fight there was a lot of But when you're Ristie just hit Right I thought that.

52:04 So now I've got this big claw that I can't even... Oh, so it was broken and you never even go to hospital because i just didn't trust what they do with it i just fucking let it heal like an idiot so now i've got this big like claw that i can't oh so it was broken Does it help? It's very exciting. fighters he took himself off on a strength and conditioning fight seminar so like he's learned

54:05 it's weird because i can't seem to get it into my head how to run because i've i've learned to and then once you do that you you go, oh, okay. kind of a torturous device. You don't look For running And then you go to regular run that's another thing I've stopped doing as well I don't run outside anymore no route park on the concrete. walks on grass rather than concrete because his knees are hurting my cousin andy house and he was like one of the most insane fighters like to ever come

57:26 his fucking cardio That, They last three days. are you gonna quit yeah that lady ain't quitting for shit you ain't getting her to quit she won a Just won like a new race I think. Of course she did. 10 hours. to still push and push and push. Yeah, she could have taken an eight hour sleep and still won by two hours yeah I did a bit of work with Brian Ortega the other day.

1:00:05 championship caliber he just ran into I think he fractured it was one of the best fights for sure I feel like it's short-sighted Compared to me, we fight similar weights. I mean, that's his nickname, T-City. You know, they fall in love with the ability to punch people. good coach man yeah he's excellent very good coach every time you see anyone one of his gym from his gym yeah the quality yeah he's got some really good fighters yeah

1:02:29 when I was a bit younger instead of just smashing high pulls and a bit deadlift I'll teach, but I can't sit around doing it. The interesting thing about strength and conditioning to me is that there's no clear blueprint. you're so exciting it's because you have this drive yeah to succeed it is uh the interesting So when you're in camp, you should just be doing box jumps and rope skips and all these fucking explosive things with balls and medicine balls and shit.

1:04:30 When he fought Sean Shirk This cardio base and this conditioning base That was just through the roof him go through these absolutely insane strength and conditioning workouts so they gave him this so that's Kovalev because I heard do a fight And Kovalev was just a couple of inches out. and fucked me up wow I'd ever fought a Thai champion six months come on for a month go back for six months come on for a month so stay in thailand

1:07:07 oh, I said, I'm not doing it. you need your pitch tuck, so he made me kick the pads he said you need to be fit they're flowing you in from England and all that, I thought, can't be this fucking rubbish I thought news people were there looking got to the weigh in so we're at 154 He was well bigger than me. I must have been jumping around for about 20, 25 seconds.

1:09:37 I'll put it on there. nose started a drink it's only a in round him four I just no next thing i'm fighting my hands wrapped going what the fuck's going on here and i said to him before the fight well it's just 100 fight it's a lot for a western what do you yeah but what is that aspirin someone told me over there I never knew that I don't know if it's true or not that's someone actually told me over there one of the main ingredients is aspirin or something like that aspirin is it

1:11:32 though in the clinch rubbed it on their gloves That's so fucked up that someone would do that. and I'd never ever fighting is supposed pramukh he's only that's it only lost his wrist and put a nonathan and um i heard that georgio or something like that what kind of poison and you're fucking on the island i only go to kosomo only i go to super pro when i go over there and it's not really

1:13:48 I was fighting this guy so I bet my entire wage his legs went three and four you've lost the fight really yeah interesting yeah i like that i lost all my money because it was a tough fight in between those fights I'll go home Luckily, down on the islands between fighters that train in Phuket Lumpini to stuff like it's just like you get a lot of them who's got another job and they just might fight at the end of the week

1:16:01 something like that yeah so they'll just go do that where people wrestle for money, Yeah, it's illegal. clench and knee to the body better than anybody to dump people and trip them yeah drop them and sweep the strongest people natured people they I think his congruence with the self that's why he's fighting just to make sure he's sharp just to make sure

1:18:32 not anymore but like now alongside him on pads just to lose weight because I think So they're a bit starstruck he can move off, kick his skull. to do is make and then his opponent because you know interesting about like hey and he can he can fake your leg kick and then whack you around the neck he's a special guy left high kick. guys like standing right in front of each other and exchanging techniques he's not doing any of

1:21:31 oh, I want to start juggling, I want to start standing on one leg, to me in coaches is duane ludwig because duane ludwig teaches so different than he ever fought anyone to fight like how i fight really you've You've got to work to what their advantage is all our top-level fighters are all different. he does weird you know like he's got that sliding push kick that's like a side kick yeah

1:23:58 Yeah, super elusive, moved the head and stuff like that. oh who's going to win this will ever do I might be the one Then they get fired. Yeah. to him are all elite all over the world and fought all them he's really I wonder how much with him don't they I can't remember where he's gone today. So he's obviously earning ridiculous money. westerners coming there just because they know he's here so and he's doing more seminars so

1:27:08 yeah i don't i do i believe so grappling competitions yeah yeah yeah they've got Well, I was like, So if they can get into America and in Europe, You'd never see it from Glory as well and then one he's a Dutch Moroccan. It doesn't make any there's college wrestling because of the college wrestling in colleges and stuff like that but in between that you see some fucking crazy tie fight

1:29:27 the average Joe so maybe something on them shows better over the years I mean one championship and watching it you know there was some guys are really exciting like rick rufus yeah but a lot of it was bullshit What happened in England, though, we got some airtime on TV, there like pre-recorded but we had a few exactly like whenever i watch glory i mean i stop and think i'm like how is this not

1:31:32 And two, I got a headache for six days. But Muay Thai and kickboxing is way better. Otherwise, you're getting your leg blasted off. a guy like Rico has got good kicks about like play sort of sparring and you could see the right hands going boom and he could see yeah like that one yeah he'd have to clinch. There were some guys that managed to survive.

1:33:27 That was a right hand Didn't he Frank Bruno had the most who's definitely more talented but what did you think about that andy ruiz fight i couldn't believe I mean, it's not making excuses. He didn't seem with it. he was like but the rematch on pads after that he's fucking dangerous. He's a one, two, big shot guy. Because there's a picture, there's a press conference somewhere, London maybe, and they were having, no, it was really weird because he give there's a picture where there's there's a

1:36:28 was like, You wouldn't do that, with each other Yeah, with he stopped him with his job stopped him with it which is kind of crazy i think he was more Ward had one arm half hanging on It's Jorge Linares and Lomachenko. dance for his footwork it's like wow like what kind of insight did his father have that's the world titles in three different weight classes.

1:39:04 that are in the running, but those are the two big ones. talent-wise. Yeah, I think Port and next week body shots yeah I mean, he's very skillful and just stick to southpaw. It's almost like he's'll start to fight orthodox and then just switch southpaw and just stick to a different thing and stuff as well to do that switch stances as well and Hagler was the last guy who was really able to do that.

1:41:01 I thought Hagler won that fight. Really? He was incredible. he's an older guy, faster than me. He'd already lost to Terrence. That first fight changed his life, man. what he can do he'll win the fight and clearly because he's from philly apparently he liked to This is the story. and if he does survive, he's probably going to win a decision? Yeah. Well, Terry's another one,

1:44:06 Orlin Norris and Terry Norris. Yeah, beat him up. thump you one time you know I think he hey Golovkin will break though can we Brian, can we go to the Big Bear? We went to his restaurant where he goes to eat, but not down again. I would just go, it's him. I'll have to pick you up Class guy man Gold medalist for whatever to be honest past their He didn't trash talk either, did he?

1:46:44 and then He boxed And then when he was He was He retired Best British of all time. Yeah, but he was on television. back in the day, he used to have a sports psychologist as well. So he was probably That's programming that Some people do come to me and say I want to do this You're right. You see Liam Harrison, you see him smash pads, That's what my opinion is, you know, instead of wanting to be the, you know, the soldier or whatever it is, you know.

1:49:49 you're like, that guy's a fighter. like Chavez was never physically impressive looking. You didn't have any air. He's like, He only did pads when he went to Emanuel Stewart, Because I didn't really Why I don't smoke weed I don't know And it was also the perfect storm of Chavez at the end of his rope, No, it was. Well, that whole 1984 Olympic team, like, holy shit.

1:52:12 talented group of people because the Cubans who was hit by a car i know that's what that's so sad oh god I knew he had but he was and walked off Roy Jones in his prime was capable of humiliating people. Because he was fighting Right uppercut How old is he? 54, it's and Bika him out, 55, man. Well, that's why I got into hypnosis for boxing and sport

1:54:47 so I went to an through you because he complained Oh, That's crazy. I ain't buying it. you'd be buying it. Yeah. Right. About 20 years ago. they live in Australia on a Friday night all weekend 20 cigarettes a day. He's massive. That at 55, he's still got that kind of speed. Like, runs like 10 miles a day and, yeah. unlike anyone else yes i wonder i mean if nigel's not doing that how the

1:58:46 I loved him as well it's so confusing he can still crack you know what the wheels spinning around always holding the pads for me and stuff so he's still in good shape because he's always training fights mate you've minute and a half broke I went jump Oh my God. Went to the well too many times. And the way he was landing it was so clean. the body wasn't he

2:01:16 most successful ufc heavyweight champion ever four times defended that or you know four when this guy defended the title three times no one else had done he was the man and then he Was just signed for UFC He's named Chai anyway I forgot who I am. Yeah, that's right. watch it on youtube it's a 1975 cartoon It's a story by Rudyard Kipling. He's a great guy.

2:03:30 but that Timothy Nastukhin guy are out there if you're a Conor McGregor or someone like that, and you're a world champion, you're So many. and I went, fucking yes! And the fact that he was able to persevere against Justin Gaethje. He's so cowboy. God's a fight. that he's got beef with. would be the fight and then it's to the gods like for one i said

2:06:08 Pettis got to the corner against Pettis sorry, Khabib's last fight so fucking strong. left in him all time what would he fight i don't know he can get to 55. 155. well i'm sure i've read someone George is smart as fuck yeah yeah he's also training Great guy. You all right? if anything trips him up doesn't get shaken I still think he could be a world champion.

2:08:29 whether the attack's going to be striking or wrestling, because I wouldn't have expected him But he in the bathroom had his fucking he talked about it, had his doctor on FaceTime. so George stepped yeah god damn yeah Silver as well yeah I mean mouthpiece was out catches him Mike Bispin it down to an art then but like for an actual flying jumping one like right across the ring

2:11:33 to force Ben to definitely lead with that left leg forward. Right It wasn't like Brave I mean if anybody Or reversing position That's a right show though That's the one with Masvidal and Diaz Till versus Gasly mate you are fucking humongous yeah he stood main event okay cool pictures taken knocked out by But I'm just very disturbed by this whole Colby Covington situation.

2:14:31 I fought five rounds of fucking war. He's still going to watch either way. I feel like number 24-7 would convince you that someone really shit might beat him. He just adjusted How did he look? I don't know But I read that He was training to fight And then he stopped again When did he stop? I don't know Robert Las Vegas somewhere So he wasn't training with him he was training in las vegas somewhere so

2:16:47 that shit 100 grand left yeah It's not Instagram post He trained recently time. though. I don't know why the comeback's been is so significant. Look at that face. In that first couple of weeks back, but for whatever reason he's just like stepped on his dick so many times. Yeah, I think he's... Oh, look at him. There he was. Stacks of cash, eating cheesesteaks.

2:19:47 like fighting in the street immature sort of mindset no one that he got was smart guys in my opinion the past I think I think it's it's down to what goes on in their lives before they may become or the same fingerprints and everybody's He was praying that he just, I want to go to sleep yeah or just yeah reminder because in the unconscious this is my belief that people

2:23:14 What's the URL? it is you can't just do it in one session right you need a bunch of it's like mental training But I think that's the nature of the job. you can't just fucking half-ass this anymore. And just lets you know. A lot of people didn't know Anderson Silva was unless you followed him outside the U.S. small on the small circuit and then just waiting for their chance just to like timothy naziukin

2:26:25 160 but when i'm training like even not in fight camp i'm walking around about 155 156 but on the Thursday so you're weighing you're going to have to then you can put all your weight back on or whatever you're going to do and fight. And if you're over 250, if you're healthy. And you're not going to like Yeah, because it puts guys through horrendous internal damage

2:28:26 sucking all that water to me stand on scales I never have to worry about that again. someone's lost 20 pounds and the next day they're putting 30 pounds on which is just crazy vinnie Well, I treated it with respect without experiencing it No. yeah words Instagram and stuff there's more subtle ways And language to try and get them out When you keep saying linguistically, like give me an example.

2:31:36 And I think a lot of hypnotherapists don't listen. it changes. but I knew Vinny did it. smashed me to fucking pieces So I thought, I'll just try and do both. And my coach and a few others were saying that in the corner. felt like he was having a dip in his in his whatever way he was thinking so we did some these motivational speaker guys out there that can go fuck themselves because all they're doing

2:34:27 People need evidence. he's never gonna get tired it's gonna keep going like t1000 but it's just important to know that Well, to me, too, man. Yeah, Elon Musk thank you. that have been uh had a seminar of mine the other day zach and zach foldman and uh chase hero and Right at the end? Thank you, gentlemen.