Joe Rogan Experience #10097 — Henry Cejudo Transcript

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0:00 Henry you step away there's and he would have retired on top, It was already done. But I think there's a fight that I would really like in the UFC, and that would be against Alexander Volkanovsky. A chance to be a three-division world champion. As you know, a lot of people have counted me out against Demetrius, against TJ, against Marlon. Since I was a kid, I knew I was different.

2:15 that's actually where i met daniel you know i was a 16 year old kid when i first met these guys and ability. You know, ability is a gift that you have since, you know, it's a coordination. It's there is a separation between mind and body and your job is to connect them both and i'm going to It's also you have to be coached by someone who really knows what they're doing.

4:40 The first time I lost to Demetrius Johnson, it was hard. and all this together that's made, I really believe a guy who can accomplish what you accomplished inside the octagon But part of me looks back at, say, when you fought Benavidez, or say, when you fought You found the angles and you found the perfect times to attack his legs, and then you put

7:07 Like, I really do, man. You really fought like a karate guy. He's a businessman, but he's been able to help me to form like you know obviously the perfect storm and you know we brought guys in from california that mimic just like We saw it this weekend. Benson Henderson because Benson Henderson was the first guy to really bring it to MMA. But for thighs i'm just gonna kick him with that low calf kick he goes i'm gonna kick him four times he goes, I'm not even going to try to kick him in his thighs. I'm just going to kick him with that low calf kick. He goes, I'm going to kick him four times.

10:01 And actually, right before I even fought Dominic, like I went on YouTube, those kicks with bad intentions. It's like Jon Jones. It's crazy. Yeah. I'm overrun. It's like you figured the adjustment out, figured out what you needed to do. when all this happened. I have pictures of it. he's gonna be able to maintain all that power for five rounds and i don't think this kid has any idea

13:32 What was the difference between him and everybody else? fight with ken norton you know he fought most of the fight with a broken jaw yeah i mean this is And how much movement and he's not even putting his hands up at all. Just holding on to the ropes. It's a certain mind power, man. I think it happens. And then they actually cultivate that. it's like dude you're the last one to eat you're gonna get beat up pretty much the majority of

17:22 Going to school was a place for us to like at least for at least i could of being angry and things like that if you're able to challenge that into something constructive yeah joe i'm gonna live an example man you are you are look at that flag behind you You know, in the early 1900s, it's just, look, if that's how it was today, you wouldn't have the kind of illegal immigration you have today

19:21 to citizenship because you're right times times do change and you have to adjust And this is crazy, Joe, citizenship status. mother came here you know illegally uh uh you know uh paid her fine paid her taxes and whatnot and then she was granted her citizenship I fully understand wanting to keep out people that are criminals and people that are murderers and people that are in the drug trade but if i was a person who was struggling to feed my family in south

21:53 completely impoverished He's an example of a different time. Yeah, you're probably right. internet was around well you know who knows maybe he'd be president today look at our president man led to that success is very different than your mother sneaking over here because she wanted to You know, he's in my opinion i feel Well, he's a very controversial guy.

25:05 All these dudes. This was like maybe four months after my fight. There's two against one. He's so fucking big. Like, when do you move away? I thought he won that decision. there's an advantage of me for me to feel well if i feel well and i feel healthy with my speed Jorge Masvidal. Yeah. He's got one of the best straight left hands in the business.

28:51 maybe he'll be happy and a gold medal Kyle Snyder, Yeah. I'm bringing this up right now. And the reason why I was able to beat him was because I nullified a lot of his that's the only guy that I could see beating somebody like Jon Jones. Does he have any experience in stand-up at all? For boxing. Dude. Couldn't play football. They don't even make sense.

31:52 Yeah. can knock out a guy like luis ortiz with a fucking right hand to the forehead yeah he he looked like gold medalist right ortiz yeah and a fucking elite These dudes have been doing this since they were four years old. You know, you got the dudes from Philadelphia, from California, like all these Mexicans, blacks, whites that are just like, hey, man.

33:51 It's almost like once you hit, like, 25, 26 years old, and you start then, like, ooh, it's real hard to ever get to an elite level. didn't make weight at that time and i remember i was just gonna get on a flight and just disappear tears to cry i'm also dehydrated then i went up to uh to sean sean was like sean thank you man but i'm just Like something stupid.

36:10 just started to shut down on me. it's not like they have to weigh in the day of the wrestling match. Is that the idea? Yeah 124 pounds Dude, he looked worse cutting weight. He was shuffling, like shuffling towards the scale. If that guy was like released from a prison But Travis was the worst I've ever seen for someone just about to make weight, i'll bring up marlon marias again you know because i feel like i gave the blueprint if you watch me

39:44 And I've noticed that Marlon's demeanor was was changing i noticed that in my Bring it. Even McGregor, people like that. Have you gotten that? And then your eyes are open and you've had enough. Let go of coaches man. Let go of coaches. I started traveling the world. I mean I went to Asia he's he's he's andy sours coach oh wow yeah so i was with them and just training with them and just

42:31 tell people like don't face it i'm sorry don't fake it till you make it i don't like that you He was so fast, and he was so technical, and he made such good decisions. I can even tell you as an Olympic athlete, that they were extremely nervous, Joe. there for you. He would be peroneal nerve, which numbs all the nerves I says, man, this is going to make my story, whatever I desired in my life that much better because I went through adversity with this fucking dude again.

45:05 I'm getting ready to fight Demetrius Johnson. And I'm like, listen, man, I says, for you guys to be composed, man. Because I was going to walk out and then Demetrius. I allow him to win, whatever. he was gonna be fast i knew he was strong But there's one thing that really did surprise me with Henry. And there's a lot more to it. but in reality there is, man. I'm just a winner. my secrets here, but in reality, there is, man.

47:38 Like I said in the beginning, man, I think he won the decision. She came in to talk to us about it. With Mike Tyson and— Yes. And it dries. I've you know you want some he's one of the first guys He had so much weed in his system when they tested him Shout out to my man, Gino. I mean, in a way that it's hard for people to convey today, talk yeah you know and then? And then Mike went out there

51:53 so, you know, So Mike, I've been on his podcast. I'm just like, well, let's do it the same time. So he always talked about the Torah. Shaman? over here twist and turning and kind of you know talk about a lot of i don't want to share that my sister so i was no longer the youngest how my mom kind of like you know in all fairness kind of somewhat pushed to the side

54:45 in spanish i'm not pardoning me like mom forgive me wow it was something uh it was something scary But, man, it was something that, you know, as an adult, you know, you have the rights to make these decisions and share if it's good. It's not going to do harm to you physically. one of the first things was realizing how much of like the way I talk about things is like calculated.

56:55 that's interesting. Probably made me a better podcaster. But the last time I did it, I did the other kind, the NN dimethyltryptamine. immediately and um all those things you know i think man one of the cool things about life benefit because it's going to give you, you're going to be able to see yourself honestly Like, come on, stay the same. You just lost.

1:00:04 and they just couldn't handle the pressure for whatever reason they couldn't handle the the things that went just openly mocking me and i was like oh that must be what i need i must need that i'm like that's Mike wasn't doing so well until he tried this. The anxiety, the fear, the depression, just the terrible feelings you have about who you are. Throw drugs in there.

1:02:45 Ibogaine is, it comes from the, I've never done this with all due respect and full disclosure. Look at this. Or maybe it's meth. Bro, weed will calm you down. Yes, yes. having any sort of a psychedelic experience. You know, those good feelings that you have man like when when you beat dominic cruz and you raise your hands at the end of that fight and you knew it was going to be over

1:05:09 Yeah, it's exciting, man. But so was Aljamain Sterling. Dude. Because they're both so good. You know sometimes a fighter will just hit a new level. just in the concept of my wrestling. want to fight next and he's like you know i just want to know, who do you want to, they asked Sean O'Malley, who do you want to fight next? And he's like, you know, I just want to fight, you know, I just want to fight the best strikers.

1:07:31 looser wilder you know fun to watch but not nearly as sharp like now he's he's on a completely Then I'll be like, okay, man, you are ready to take on anybody in the top five. And that was a great example that because Do you remember that? this guy it's it's all about styles because it's all about you know whether He keeps getting better and better and better, like in a trippy way.

1:09:59 Yeah, something in protein or something like that. You look happy. even though Marais won the decision. And part of it is because Aldo is obviously a huge draw and one of the greatest of all time, particularly greatest featherweights of all time. So the UFC, you know, they stuck to their word. I'd be happy if Marlon fought Piotr Jan for the title, I ain't going to get that authentic.

1:12:19 It's Fyodor. he's very good there's no doubt about it whether or not he's at your level you don't find out until You know? Dangerous. Malice is a good way of putting it. There's like a- That's what I'm saying, Joe. You think they'll- It's great division. i need something i need something to market myself. No, it was actually. You know, I was like, oh, all right.

1:14:56 This is what Chael Sonnen was probably the best at it, the original. It was so fun. that the pressure that comes with that shit like dude that's like a whole nother fight and you have to make sure that you got to live up to your expectations But check this out. Laying in bed with your belts And the pillows with TJ's head Man I can't And I happened to be there randomly.

1:17:33 you know that i'm thinking i'm thinking i'm thinking about getting rid of the division or It was people don't pay attention. it gets born I'm gonna have to come up And that was the original plans for me to go up. And then when you found out that he was taking EPO, something that, a drug that you just will never get tired of What would you have done if you found out before the fight?

1:20:07 We're going to fine him and keep him from fighting for two years. But a guy can say, like a guy misses weight by five pounds, he can still fight you. He was talking about guys missing weight and then winding up winning the fight. dying inside. But you stay in there an epo i imagine man yeah because the man tj was saying how good he felt he never felt so good

1:22:06 Yeah, Neuroforce 1. they used real science and data to mark your performance yeah i think everything from like And this is a chest strap? and then obviously i've done testing with them from balance like just body scan dexa scans lot more recovery. Like it's crazy how powerful and how strong you become just through doing mobility, man, understanding posture.

1:25:15 a there's a there's like a tipping point where you're working too hard and you're always sore i got to deliver and this is where i have to give the 10. So this is a sparring day. Yes, it's a sparring day. Really? No, no, no. being very detailed in my today guys you know what I'm saying down that way particularly the fact that i don't think i've ever heard if i don't ever do it i did

1:28:14 had was like the best... mimicking Dominick Cruz and vice versa for TJ for Marlon like it's and these that's, Well, There's things in jiu-jitsu that doesn't work. decide to truly launch and whatnot like i think that company could completely take over. side to side, you're like, what? for me to compete yeah but that's even part brother but you know what i'm saying right so it simulates the fight yeah it's beautiful that's a

1:31:15 Yeah. uh yes so if you know you're gonna spar on wednesday at what time in the afternoon do you Like personally, I like to have like a big, a big brunch. When you're anxious to do something. like the happiness in me that what it wants you know what i'm saying because i i'm i'm gonna who so let me ask you this who is this company that puts these Like he's, hey, slow down, slow down.

1:34:29 Mm-hmm. leave you or not but if anyways if there's one thing that i could do and help people with as if and then it got a little more serious when I fought Demetrius, Yeah. You've figured out a way to make it a normal part of your life. they put together fights in the gym, like a real fight in the gym so just get used to it like you would fight 12 rounds in the gym yeah i guess it's i guess you go back to it's all

1:37:03 Not just that, but even like for me, it's like stem cells. And ever since then, I think three months into it, Do you remember specifically what kind of stem cells they were using? I've had a bunch of different things done, injuries. I think they're allowed to do anything. Damn, that's a trip. Right. It's a weird time to be alive. Yeah. man. between people and to get people to look at things

1:41:52 And I think people saw free shit and then everything got wild and it was jumping off and people were smashing windows and a lot of people just stole shit. Which I don't think is a good idea. People weren't rioting about Rodney King in New York. It was just an L.A. You know, people weren't writing about Rodney King in New York. was killed by the cops they went crazy in baltimore and lit everything on fire and smashed everything

1:43:38 So they're broke, and they're fucked, and this is a chance to steal some shit. There's some people that did some horrible shit. peacefully in these enormous groups. But look, everyone's going to resist when you put your fucking shin on their neck. It's horrible to watch man. It's like you're watching a guy getting tortured to death And it takes an incredibly powerful person to do it and not abuse the power that you have.

1:46:12 And you see these non-exceptional people who are cops, who abuse the fuck out of the power that they've been given. Yeah, man. Like, look at, it was a revelation for me. yeah i guess that's the hope we just need's the hope. We need more good days. The looting seems to have stopped. The National Guard's So what do you do now, Henry Cejudo? I mean, that's legit. I think I programmed

1:48:24 the motherfucker, There's, You know what I'm saying? good anderson silva was when he was in his prime that's true too that's in the conversation too yourself to him in the second and then put him away fuck man i mean those are pretty pretty What do you walk around at? Yeah. Ryan Garcia the boxer? I've actually been pretty busy. or the kick of the 80s.

1:52:23 a bunch that were real good. They had to throw like six kicks a round. That's all it would take. That's all I need. But this Thai guy, Rick was fucking him up in the beginning. And, yeah, just take it from there. one of the first ever this is 1988 and um this is actually when I had, oh, we heard him again, dropped him. But I remember that was the first time anybody had ever kicked me in the leg.

1:55:31 like what a devastating weapon Thai kicks to the thighs are. Timeout. but is he going to let him go which is just preposterous. So anyway, keep it going because they keep going. chopped across the leg again that's only the third round look at that again boom and boom and boom This is just to say, this was where martial arts was in 1988. He's going to be fucked for weeks, right?

1:58:13 his legs is what he's doing. So they got him if i remember correctly yeah that's it one more there fight, if I remember correctly. Yeah, that's it. Maybe one more. Oh, I'm surprised. development of martial arts right i mean this is like one of the steps on the way to the UFC No. Austin Hubbard, who's a tough motherfucker. People have photoshopped it.

2:00:20 What is that? to his knee. I don't think that's the same cat. all rotting and it's all destroyed from shins. Bro, that's terrifying. Yeah, it looked like some pulled pork. Yeah. I'd probably be at 35 then I think it's I would like three months at least. lot but it's also different you know what i'm saying so now it's just i don't even call it I think when you get to that level where, okay, man,

2:03:34 Do you work out for fun? your partner josie aldo had a different style than dominic you know what i'm saying and i was able really investing in what i'm doing in sparring do these guys know you already i mean have you everybody had to be exactly dominic size and they had to be able to move like him or try to move Check this out, Joe. You know what I'm saying?

2:06:37 you understand, dude, this is a team sport, man. a picture or a fan wants to see you yeah I'm giving back to the people that have that have You think the fights would be like that if there was a big crowd? Yeah, I think it's... If you're going to use an octagon at all, the cage provides. The good thing, if you want to say a good thing, the smaller cage is better

2:09:08 Just a big, open, like basketball-sized court. so you can't get away. I don't know what to find. the larger octagon I would need a bigger cage because the wrestler's out there to cut distance. It's hard, Joe. Now imagine doing the same sort of work with bringing you disciples. That's all I've ever known was competition to compete. A man who can do what you've done can do anything.

2:12:26 I got some hairs on my, I got some grays on my. Thank you for, man, thank you for everything, man. That was just, your friend who owns Smart Cups? It's the craziest shit I've ever seen. champion they're gonna have a bunch of limes like that dude it's expensive and there's that that's That's crazy. Thank you, Joe. Thank you so much for being here.