Joe Rogan Experience #10135 — Paul Felder Transcript

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0:00 The Joe Rogan Experience. And you decided to go into triathlons, which I think is fucking awesome. But that's still not the same as getting to the cage and actually fighting somebody right? And I was like, this dude's out of his fucking mind and i started following all his stuff and then i started just like anything a borrowed wetsuit yeah so these triathlons like how how long does it take to complete one of those well to parent

3:19 that's now kind of mixing up the order of which they'll do things. It's the scariest thing of it all. Everybody's like, do a sprint, do an Olympic. I'm like. Because I'll never be. You're a psycho. and how fast they are you know, You remember those days? Like the Paul Daly, I think, fight. Yeah. And he just did what the Diaz brothers do. and you got this crazy son of a bitch going, come on, man,

7:32 Put his shin right upside that head. And he was like bent over. racing in so it's a little more like wilderness type racing but it's still triathlon still swim And I almost pooped myself, I swear to God. Like, two months ago? Oh. So he was down a pretty specific amount. Can't wait for that swim. So that pink one is white, I guess, to them. that somebody

11:34 of the lake could have an alligator Yeah. There's a place called Lake Alice. I would think protein. from one of those Nature is Brutal or Nature's Metal pages. these guys still have the they're so because i think that's what happens if you touch their their tongue or something like that because Yeah, that mess kept him alive through that entire journey.

14:14 It's just any sport that involves maybe getting eaten. I didn't turn professional until I was 28, I think. Started at 12 years old doing that and competed Junior Olympics, Olympics, you know, wearing the hokus and all that kind of stuff. hardcore but still taught karate at the school that i got my black belt at when i was a kid those fights. And dude, that was it. That walkout, the crowd, like all your friends

17:09 And I have to do it better than I did that time. Leg kicked the dog shit out of him. him and he choked the shit out of me and then i was like okay now i gotta start doing real So when I turned pro, I was like, okay, You're still the man. Yeah. They never did that again. Yeah. I lucked out with that. That was never the goal, was to get in the UFC from the beginning.

20:30 I got more damage from the ref throwing me into the cage So, I mean, by the time I got to the UFC, plus the lightweights were so big, I was like peeing Coca-Cola. would know, you would only know about if somebody went in there or something happened to it. And since it collapsed, that part of my lung was then where it was supposed to. cut it out, it does it change the way your body moves you feel it no i i will get a cramp every now and then in

24:30 It's so common with those spinning back fists. So many people have shattered their forearm. Right on the forearm. You know what I regret never getting injury-wise? It's like, you know baseball two baseball bats just Just let me kick you one time. Imagine the calf kick. Way back in the day. that was the first and then dan hooker was the other time that i had really been very good at it

27:36 I don't know how effective that one was. like right next to your shin bone Yeah. Yeah, you watch it in the replay. Already. That first round, he fucking really chops at it. is preposterous you can you ever see some of those guys like when you look at certain skinny guys and But I'm really interested in seeing him against someone who can wrestle. When he's really going to get challenged is when he has somebody that's going to say that.

30:50 Because Izzy already had their number, and he's been there. He's an interesting matchup for him. And you know it going in. I remember even saying that people were watching it up in the ESPN desk. I'd have to go back and try to score it. So, Izzy had Not get caught, and he wins that fight. when he had Pajero's back I remember being like oh now they're wrestlers in here you get two guys that know they can knock

33:50 You know if he lands an elbow on you. Same as Izzy. When he was inside the octagon for the fight was above 220, he's like, I'm not cutting any weight. You know I put on about 10 pounds of lean muscle mass for this camp like this particular camp in so you've put on It's also, it's like- He was real big. Well, the heavyweight for boxing is different, right?

36:08 But, you know, Roy was so fucking talented. Jose Aldo somehow. breaking down by calories. Lifestyle changes. And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. when you beat olivera he was not yeah he um you know not really because we're on such different Cubs once and knocked him out. Oh, yeah. And he just turned a corner and then became the baddest motherfucker in the weight class.

39:28 oh, Olivera suffered but did physical therapy and thought everything was fine. and I remember when he fought me, olivera and he kicked me a few times i remember being like god damn i thought i was gonna buzz It's the best build, in my opinion. None of those benefits, unfortunately. Jon Jones. I was really looking forward to him and Francis. The perfect world is he goes over, has some big money heavyweight boxing fight.

42:34 Francis, if you're listening, sir, please- Look, I mean, he should. Like, if they're going to offer him big money. I mean, listen, Francis Ngannou could knock out any human being on earth if he can hit them clean on the chin. Decent boxer. And moving away from him. that is rush him right because we're gonna you're gonna walk into a right hand and you're gonna look

44:58 wanted to take you down with that that liver shot he would have taken you down Kid was 21. Because he gets these guys to fight him in between rounds holding the ring card. It's just like, You've got no chance. Can I elbow? How about this? Can I knee you? I do, man. It's hard. That's the only thing. Well, what about me? I never even fought MMA. I've had to take some Joe Rogan lessons on not reading the comments

48:32 But does he have a learn doing it? He does. Okay. He's a sometimes I legitimate psycho First of all, where's the trash talk even coming from with a guy like that? Whatever. You're a beautiful. You suck, bro. Handsome Oh, fucking whoopty shit. You're the greatest of all time. Whatever. Because I've seen it ruin people's lives. And some guy came up to him at one of them.

49:56 I don't know. That's what it doesn't. but I don't believe it's good for you i mean it might be okay for some people but it's not i don't believe it's the optimum diet and this comes from many many many conversations with nutritionists yeah and and vegans too and trying to listen to people that Because your body's not absorbing it the same. and this is very

52:07 What about that? All of January, I go on the carnivore diet. I cheat a couple times. Rice is my favorite thing on the planet. I had a steak and I was like, one piece of bread's not going to fucking kill me. I love bread. God damn it's so good. You know what? Oh yeah. And we would just sit there, Yeah. And you have a side of bread. But like, look, you're from Philly.

54:29 It's the bread. It's the bread, man. Look how good that looks. Yeah. Deep dish. And Jim's, which was always my favorite spot on South Street, And you want to see a brawl. there's a spot No, more than Yeah. What is this? They did a feature when we, Yeah, and that's the thing. And that's, I think that's how they got started making them like that. Well, also known for fights, fighters.

59:04 slick and creative and so entertaining to watch he's so good yeah he's so good at switching stances and and who start mouthing off and he's like, gym so back then we at daniel gracie's gym in northilly, we had, if you went into our basement gym, there was a like sliding old school door that went into another basement. some of the pro boxers there would just jab like you'd you'd be trying to beat their asses and

1:01:13 would always do with people. It's just a good way to train. with donald and leonard garcia at the time so. So I flew out after sparring with him at a seminar. like this middle area. Cowboy Us. you realize that none of us knew getting thrown in because he he'd wreck somebody all right felder philly called me back then And I floated around Daniel Gracie.

1:04:50 When I was getting ready for Gilbert Burns, which ended up not happening, he broke his arm in that fight. That's my guy. friggin talk to you about it I love that his legs apart and then Duke He died actually doing a triathlon. Because he could punch, man. He hurt him bad Was that blood or his mouth guard? He tags him, drops him a second time in the round.

1:07:58 I don't know. guy, you know? Hey, you can go right there. He's already not moving it. Wow. And this is in 88, 88 or 89. Just it's so amazing. I was born in 84, You were four. to kind of And you can kick the legs. If you were really good at it. There was this guy Larry Jones that I used to train with. I wasn't a point fighting guy, but I would do it every now and then and I fought him in a point fighting tournament

1:12:40 Phenomenal with that his records like crazy Wonderboy is a bad man. it's like, don't forget this dude came from, Like, good job. Yeah. Yes. What was that called? I couldn't believe I was meeting Chuck Norris. And he knew who I was. I was like, oh, it's Chuck Norris I couldn't believe us meeting Chuck Norris and he knew who I was I was like oh my god I could die on our it's

1:15:13 And I want to say that Frank Shamrock was one of the first guys to use something similar to that in MMA. The concept of having a curved surface. what hit him. No, he has no idea. this 10-point must system is great for boxing. That's where it gets so complicated, man. Right. But I still don't think that that's comprehensive enough. Well, okay, who won the striking?

1:17:45 takedowns very heavily although so takedowns in control and it's not i mean it could be subjective and it could be argued a martial arts judge and you're not even a martial artist? And this person is responsible for the trajectory of someone's career. What, what, what are you doing? I think someone should sit down and develop a, Yeah. Fuck that cage.

1:20:11 They know how to put their back against the cage to get back up. I'm like, this isn't good either. No mats? Yeah. That's one of the scariest things is the bounce. Leave it to Russia. Russia's so crazy. That's so dumb. Are they allowed to hit him? It's just in an octagon. Yes. Brutal. people. If you think right now No. that because i think his mauling style because he just fucking comes forward and he he forces

1:24:32 He took some horrible shots in this fight. It's a different world. Tons of money. These guys are living on cliffs in the middle of like rock villages You know what I mean where they're kicking stones in each other for fun. It's true. That's gonna breed yeah I'm gonna just not the I mean, it's just... Yeah, that... He looks great, man. And then he felt bad about it.

1:27:10 And then you have Islam, who, I mean, how the fuck does that guy make 155? oh Shavkat He's so accurate. Yeah, good for him. Here's Shofcott. The thing about Shovkat is he's not getting the shine that he deserves. It's hard to promote when a guy is just stoic like that. Good luck trying to beat this guy. But it was just, that was like Khabib trash talking,

1:29:27 Yeah, there's not enough proper 12 in the world to stop that dude from smashing you. To the point where Volk is facing off with him that night. Josh Emmett. Yeah. next fight I want something all right, who do you got to give me? if you went to fight in brazil how much time would you give yourself to adapt well i would do it all I was a mess for when I fought Edson the second time in Abu Dhabi.

1:32:07 There's a couple of those situations with the weight cuts, man. What am I getting involved with? 18 pounds or something crazy and i'm dry heaving in the bathtub and just watching all night because He's going to chug it. How weird is that that that's a thing, that people love ASMR? watching stuff like that so insane that fighters will literally get to death's door the day before

1:34:53 I mean, I would walk into the cage 182 pounds. I've thought about a comeback, and we've kind of teased it, and start applying that to grappling and sparring days best on fight day there needs to be much you're seeing more of it now where people are being a well below 180 pounds. which is pretty wild. I mean, now, but even think now, like, compared to the lightweights now, he's not even that big.

1:37:36 Yeah, you can tell when a guy like Charles that he's had recently. That was one of the fights I always thought I was gonna have I hate him. He's got abs. Beautiful hair. I think when you get the rub, when you fight someone who's that good and you realize, okay, like you are forced to be at that level. with Khabib and be in that camp He was like the warm-up sometimes.

1:39:37 But that's what it takes. You need to just do what he's doing. came to that conclusion too george saint, George came to that conclusion too. his fighting was just technique and efficiency. Yeah, and getting better at fighting stuff. Yeah. And you're going to gain strength specific for fighting by grappling. And at the same time, you got to get a technique down to the point where you do it automatically. When you tie your shoes, you don't think about tying your shoes. You just go and you tie your shoes. He's like, you got to get a technique down to the point where you do it automatically.

1:41:56 And if you can get it to that point, and then it's obviously when you're drilling it and Didn't matter. Islam. You know they're going to Who's been more dominant in their career because like he arguably lost a round versus connor and he had But he lasted. I remember that. And I remember talking to those guys back then This is what that Max was stepping in.

1:44:49 God damn it. But how crazy is that? They see these fights. He wasn't wearing my, I wasn't wearing my shades. He got mad because I called him a brilliant weirdo. and they were in Big Bear, and he said, and hung out with him, and he would say that Tony would wake up. the fight that got away from You know what I mean? Right? Wilder, who's the greatest knockout artist ever.

1:48:31 Did you see his last fight? And he had Wilder in some trouble in that fight. Those are the things you can't train. Here it goes again. His legs aren't moving. He's done. Plan B option if Usyk fight fails to happen is Nganou. boxing and skillful he's a heavy that picture right there I couldn't tell He's the fucking best. I just don't know if Usyk has the size to deal with that guy.

1:51:43 I mean, he doesn't give a fuck what his body looks like. I don't think he's sober. and then gets it together him with a bomb! It's not, he's not doing something in the gym with a trainer to get that kind of power. Just in the bones. But God damn it, if he beats U Usyk that's really the only compelling interesting Because that was a big payday to leave behind.

1:54:55 fight right on the table it's hard to a hundred million dollars in the floyd mayweather fight yeah Yeah. It's like, you guys know that given a street fight rules, you're getting your ass, I mean, They can sit there and just do this to you for 25 minutes if they want. I'm just going to take this guy down. He sprawls on you that one That bums me out.

1:56:43 I keep track of that. I keep track of Jiu Jitsu. I keep So when that debut came up I Exactly. If you come in with that kind of kickboxing pedigree, they're going to take you down. I was like, oh, my God. He's like staring down Jamal Hill. Oh, training, yeah. Potato. Potato. But at was going to focus on training. Oh, training him. Dude, that guy against one of the most extreme pace. adorable sons of bitches that the UFC has ever seen. And he still fought five hard, long rounds at an extreme pace. Against one of the most

1:59:01 Finally got to show it. and Jamal's reaction to Yuri. it's just that subtle from Brazil Was he watching it? No, redo it so we can hear the whole thing. Here it goes. And, you know, you talk about a guy who's got crazy power, too. when I talked to him afterwards, the head kick was planned. Best thing you can do, man, is just throw a bomb. So think about it Glover's blocking it the big old foot is just wrapping around the side of his head

2:02:23 Yeah, and especially if someone has like real power in their hips and knows how to really swing of like Leon did against Kamara where you set it up with that that uh that cross Yeah, people trying to put it back in place. not good to go. Ed Herman did that. He gets the ACL surgery, recovering from ACL surgery, Shoulders and ACLs. Yeah, it wobbles. Yeah, that makes sense.

2:05:25 Oh, man. And I think it's. poisons your blood basically yeah basically rhabdomyelosis right myelosis right rhabdomyelosis And I think a lot of it for me was because of the damage to my actual muscles which was causing it and because Not anymore, though. He has one eye. they're going to let him fight. Which I How tough is that guy? If a guy fought 11 fights

2:08:15 It's his right eye. And I remember when it went bad, the Vitor fight. which is so crazy. It's like, oh, I need some testosterone. No. Because they're trying to, because they don't work very good. Well, yeah. What's his name? It's like you need to know. Eddie's tough, dude. I mean, look, Eddie, you know, fought 55 in the UFC. the world-class talent is not limited to the UFC.

2:11:36 Bon Fim. winning the fight, I was like, damn, McKinney's a future champion. We're like, why wouldn't you put this in here? You're not going to come back the same person after a knockout like that And that guy taking him down a bunch, and then it just all takes one of those, and it's a game changer. yes shoot you can tell that dude just wants to take your head off.

2:14:16 If you look at the records of the guys they fought, they fought some legit dudes. because we begged for a guy that was in the top 15. But then if you got hurt though, I tore my meniscus. That's horrible. Terrible feeling. now? Are they talking about that for elite athletes? I would be a hobbling mess of a man if I lived at any other time. I mean, I'm 55 and my body works as good as it worked when I was 30, which is nuts with

2:17:14 And Bobby Orr, who's one of the greatest hockey players that's ever lived, Bobby Orr can barely walk. Yeah. bust out the fucking i don't think that's him that's not him no it just says old guy hockey uh old guy hockey knee replacement yeah that's but those big slices like I think for me, it's just going to be my hip someday. I see everybody doing these things now. Yeah.

2:19:18 treatment program. Very optimistic. This will get me back and ready to compete sooner than later. having all kinds of complications with that thing it's not an easy surgery to come back from and He hasn't had a fight since that fight with Uriah. nightmares about that. That's the worst they always do because it's your instinct. Compound fractures. When was the Uriah Hall fight?

2:21:31 Oh, God. When he was in his prime, he was such a motherfucker, dude. Isn't that wild? Yeah. he's one of the worst guys to ever have on top of you. The David Branch fight when he got on top of you he's one of the worst guys to ever have on top of He just loves that left kick as well. Chris was so and then starts to, I think it also is just this game is so young,

2:24:30 That kid is. I think he's training with Henry Sudo and those guys now out in Arizona. And nobody knows who they are yet because they've grown up. If you go back to the early days of the UFC, what are they basing their style on? really only have like nine years yeah nine years where you just at the top and then eventually I feel like if you go back to those days,

2:26:34 Yeah, get smashed on his neck. You got to get out you got to get out even when maybe you think oh well, You gotta make fucking, screw you. my mom, my loved ones, I said, Chris Gutierrez is so slick he's so good I did not like that fight I love watching Chris fight A lot of people are like, Yeah, well, that's an amazing accomplishment to fight the guys that you fought.

2:29:43 Like, how is he that fast? I mean, as square on the jaw as you can hit somebody. you're like, same thing that's when i was like okay uh i tried to do that and that ain't easy to do to that guy What do you think happens to Jon Jones? you know he's kind of playing with his food a little bit out there. Does he come back hungrier? arguably lost that decision.

2:32:34 mean you got a guy who olympic champion then double champion it's clearly the man understands Yeah, that's his whole thing. Oh, my God. and you know where we saw that I love him and Al Jermaine. he's coming into his own. I mean he's the perfect he's so good with his kicks, right? Like, come on, you try to close the distance on me But that's genius.

2:35:26 in Edgewood, New Mexico. God damn, I hate him. I ain't doing any of that shit. That photo of him was wearing a tank top. Look at his neck. You know, there's just so much talent and so much going on. Then you hate it. It's it's such an it's amazing keeps getting up like that, you know, You know and and post a photo of the two of them together good for him. Yeah, he's got great character. He's a good kid

2:38:19 I'll be in Vegas for that one. Jalen Turner. Yes. I don't think I've commented on his fights. I still think he's got a lot to show in a good way. 25. I mean, it's not changed on there yet, And I know Cody's had trouble with, So who do they get? Yeah. It was like four maybe it's time. I mean, if he goes and gets on another win streak but well sugar sean o'malley was talking about this uh what's that gentleman he works with dan gardner

2:41:41 is I've talked to the doctors at the Cleveland Clinic. that I wasn't knocked out, my scans all came back clear and I was talking to the doctor and I was like, he jokes around about it. undefeated boxer out? This guy is this undefeated, up-and-coming heavyweight boxer. Don't let him touch your chin. like he's suffering through it. And it's a on him oh yeah one of the last guys

2:44:54 doing shit like that for the longest time crow cop high kick he took a crow cop high kick right It didn't pan out. His left shin just went so deep in his body. That kick was so insane. Oh, I mean, you know, what are you doing? I don't know if a guy like Ernesto Hoost would have been the best guy or a guy like Peter Ernst would have been the best guy to come over to MMA.

2:47:28 And that was the Pride days. 41 now or something like that, but he's 41 in you know And I'd look back. I think you have to pick moments to do it. formalized like that when you're going to have your hard days so that you're not just off in this for you and we're even gonna bring in guys because there's not enough guys here and you're going to spar with this guy because this guy's going to emulate this for you. Yeah, or we're even going to bring in guys because there's not enough guys here,

2:50:33 It's like, well, you know, on the day somebody can get hurt, You have that, I mean, Jamal Hill, right? Glover and him are fighting in Brazil for the title what a great fight man what are you pushing yourself in that sauna for it's like you know you're not fighting glover's Don't make the weight. You know what I mean? Jamal was dialed in. He was not going to miss weight for that opportunity.

2:53:36 What weight class? Welterweight. It's like, hey, listen, you might fight, I think it was super short notice that he took it. Interesting. Interesting. Maybe he had to lose 12 pounds in a day or something like that. and not allow a moment like that to happen again. And it also took him down in the first round. I mean, the last few that I've worked there, man, they make Brazil seem quiet anymore.

2:56:10 talked to him a lot about this. as opposed to trying to put yourself into this American-style wrestling camp And then there's the other thing is with Kamaru. he tripped him on his bad knee. He's also been pretty open about the fact that when his career is done he's probably gonna get his knees replaced he's And, yeah, it's amazing that he's dominated the way he has with those knees

2:58:36 You know, he's got footage of Kamara where Kamara was, like, openly talking about it. Even just anybody that's ever done any kind of grappling. Boss Rootin, that's the beginning of his problems. He got his neck fused and back that's scary man boss rootin that's the beginning of his problems he anybody on the outside we look like we're absolutely lunatics but it's it's competition

3:00:55 i don't know how you fight and do this i'm like what bro crazy you fought in wars right what are And I'm sure you've heard other fighters talk about this. Yeah. and everybody around is like you fucking got your PR. That's great. Like is Jon so wild? How old is John now? youngest guy ever to win the title. You know what I mean? he and that's why so many people get so pissed it's like i did everything right and yeah this guy rolls in and kicks your

3:04:14 What the hell is Jon Jones going to do with him? me any questions about that one i'm like we're gonna we're gonna find out oh this is truly one getting put on your back. And he gave him a lot of trouble. There's a guy that's super talented, and when he's training and in shape. You get these guys I'm like. It's very exciting. Well, I mean, I know I'm doing the, I'm doing San Hagen and Vera.

3:06:57 Yeah. Krylov and Spann, February 25th. Just stormed the gates and just came out guns blazing and put Gustafsson away. She's tough. Yes, sir.